"LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

by linfar, Thu May 22, 2008 at 08:49:43 AM EDT

This is Bill Clinton's description of the  Democratic primary campaign. And I agree.

And the one reason for this, more than any other, is the Obama campaign of race baiting, dirty tricks and magic shows like Obama's three-card monte routine in Iowa on Tuesday night.

Bill Clinton also said:

The allegation that Hillary and I played the race card was a cold blooded, calculated, manipulated and revolting strategy!

And I agree with him again.

The Obama campaign has reeked of Rovian tactics and the Bush campaigns of 2000 and 2004. His campaign has covered over his lack of experience and his dearth of knowledge-- his complete lack of preparation for the job of the Presidency-- with slime and slander.
 

And Obama, of necessasity I guess,  has aimed a lot of the vitriol against two of the most revered and committed Democrats in this country today.

Because they stood in his way!!

I fear Obama's ambition equals that of Bush, and I also fear that the WIN is all that matters. If he succeeds we will have another guy in the White House who doesn't have a clue with what to do with the job. And we will have surrogates and behind the scenes manipulators running the country again.

I sat in a restaurant here in Southern California in 2000 and before I could take off my Gore hat I was spit on by a gang of Bush boyz who were as arrogant and as mean as they could be. I have been figuratively spat on by Obama boyz this year who are equally arrogant and  no less ugly. It is as if they same boyz are voting for Obama and running his campaign.

My mother has alzheimers and I had to help her vote in the primary here. I have become sensitized to the needs of the elderly and the frail and the people who gave so much and now need our help. These arrogant Obama boyz care nothing for them. And will intimidate them to get their way without a second thought  

I watched the  voter intimidation by the Obama campaign in Nevada at the caucus sites there and if I might have been inclined to  dismiss the allegations by Bill Clinton of thuggery as so much campaign hyperbole, I soon realized when the other caucus states rolled out that thuggery was part of the Obama campaign strategy.

This is voter intimidation and suppression by a democrat against another democrat.

I also watched in horror and mounting outrage as the Obama campaign through websites and flyers actively recruited Republican cross-over voting to influence the outcome of the Democratic primary process. Way, way down the road some Republicans promoted Clinton. But by then he already had the delegate lead.

So if I ponder Obama as the standard bearer for my party I am not only appalled at the idea that thuggery and chicanery have won; but I also believe that he has taken the Democratic Party hostage. A majority of Democrats did not choose Obama as the standard bearer. Think about it. Republicans have helped his delegate lead. If that doesn't make you nervous, it should.

Obama's electoral weakness has been papered over with 90 percent AA votes achieved by some of the most deceitful race baiting in the history of American politics. If I who have fought for the rights of AAs my entire life feel outraged by it, imagine what the Clinton's must feel.

It is as if Obama insists that you forget the Clintons are loyal Democrats who have fought for Democratic Party ideals all of their public lives. The Clintion's brought back an FDR-like feeling to the Presidency, and they ushered in an across the board economic well being to the nation. How disgraceful was it, again, that Hillary tried to bring about Univesal Health Care? Because that is the other little fact we are all supposed to forget--that Hillry Clinton has been a fighter for progressive causes her entire life, both in and out of office, and that she was crucified by the militant right in this country for doing so.

This woman is a hero. She is not someone to be dismissed as "likeable enough" or "having her claws out" or as "pimping out her daughter" which Obama did not say, but which he did not protest.

The bottom line here  is that Obama's record in this campaign frightens me. He has behaved like  an arrogant bully who has used sexism and racism to further his own political ends. He has not cared who he smeared from Paul Krugman to Bill and Hillary Clinton with Geraldine Ferraro and Andre Cuomo sandwiched in between. He has shown little respect for the Democratic Party and even belittled Ted Kennedy as "old and out of it" until Kennedy decided to give him the nod, and then he extolled him as his mentor and friend, stood side by side with him for the endorsement, and then blithely lied about his family's history with the Kennedy's.

Obama's lies in this campaign have been many and frightening. People have written whole books about it. Bosnia was a big oops for Clinton. Obama has made similar gaffes and lies for months. And his dessembling on Rezko, Wright and William Ayers do not bode well for how he will handle the on-the-spot immediacy of the Presidency.

Obama has also stiffed the press, much as Bush did. Do we really want to go back to a managed white House with no press appearances except those that declare victory--be it on destroyers or in Iowa.

I am working my heart out for Hillary not only because she is the woman, but because in this race she is the only committed democrat with a decades long proven track record on progressive causes.

Hillary will bring honor to the party and the nation. Obama will bring something quite different. He lies at the drop of a hat,  smears anyone who gets in his way, and  uses race like a club with which to beat up anyone who opposes him.

He has alrady used massive, nationwide voter intimidation to further his ends.

Actually,  Obama has already been a disaster for the Democratic Party. The racial polarization we have seen in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky is the result of Obama's race baiting and smearing of the Clintons. Because  the white working class may be demeaned by the media and by the candidate, but they ain't dumb. And they know when someone is trying to take them for a ride.

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great.,,,another crappy smear diary

by kindthoughts 2008-05-22 08:51AM | 0 recs
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You need to take a good look in the mirror
this is absolutely mild compared to the calculated and disgusting 'race baiting' meme campaign that you and many, many like you help the Obama camp push on the Clintons. This diary is absolutely mild comparatively. And if you somehow think criticism of Obama is now off limits because you think he is the nominee- get over it.
by linc 2008-05-22 08:58AM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

The repetition of the "they are so much worse" argument does little credit to anyone.  I'd advise against using it on both rhetorical and moral grounds.  It reeks of justification, as when HRC has repeatedly characterized the current race as tame and civil compared to previous experiences.  If all you want to do with is is argue that Obama is a lightweight, just come out and say it.  But I don't think it accords with the facts.

by Strummerson 2008-05-22 09:06AM | 0 recs
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But really...

Haven't the Hillary team and supports been playing the sexism card for the past month or so?  "Whomever SHE may be...", constant diaries on here about how people resent Obama destroying Hillary's "historic" candidacy?

Getting on TV and telling people that poor, white voters support HILLARY and Hillary only?

Pot and kettle here.

by ihaveseenenough 2008-05-22 10:04AM | 0 recs
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Re: But really...

This diary is so bad that only teresa and anna shane form the deadenders group have turned up to comment in it.  That is saying something.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 12:49PM | 0 recs
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not so much

I am arguing that insisting Obama, his supporters and his campaign are in any way innocent bystanders concerning the racist/racism vitriol that has dominated this campaign, true or not, is both rhetorically and morally false.  

by linc 2008-05-22 12:27PM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

Look.

Let me be absolutely clear - I do NOT think Bill Clinton or Hillary Clinton are racist.

But it strains credibility -- was Bill Clinton 'dog whistling' when he compared Obama's SC win to Jesse Jackson?  

Maybe, maybe not - but let's not pretend there wasn't an undercurrent of trying to paint Obama as the 'black' candidate.  He was breaking through among white voters - and the Clinton campaign's ONLY option at that point was to paint him as such.   You can say he had no choice because of the AA margins Obama had suddenly started to run.  You can say it's just hard-nosed politics.  

But in the end, Bill Clinton is a pro.  Perhaps the most gifted politician of our times.  

Let's not pretend, too, that there isn't a strong Ferraro brigade presence in team Clinton.  Rush Limbaugh got FIRED from ESPN for saying exactly what Ferraro claimed.  She used a classic GOP talking point -- African-America success is attained because they were given 'advantages'.   There were any number of other Clinton surrogates (I'm looking at you, Lanny Davis) who have gone out of their way to try to rephrase and echo Ferraro's sentiments.

I find it patently ridiculous that ESPN would can someone for saying something so ludicrous and offensive, while certain Democrats would apparently defend such BS.

Like I said... I don't think the Clintons are racists.

But it strains credibility to say their hands are totally clean.   On numerous occasions - they've tiptoed right up to what I consider unacceptable lines.   Their toes have crossed the line on occasion.

I'll say it for a third time - I don't think the CLintons are racists... not in the least.

But we all know that the overwhelming majority of the electorate doesn't hang on ever press release, listen to every press conference or stump speech.  The Clintons are talented politicians - yes, even talented politicians make mistakes, especially in a long, grueling campaign.

But can we at least admit that there have been incidents, phrasings, and implications that they should, at minimum, admit were poorly worded, and worded in a way that draws such criticism?

by zonk 2008-05-22 09:31AM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

Obama didn't necessarily have the AA margins until after Bill made the comparison.

Bill Clinton is the farthest thing from a racist but the comment was widely perceived as racially insensitive. If he had apologized, it wouldn't have been as big a deal. Reminds me of Hillary's refusal to apologize for the Iraq war vote.

by nwodtuhs 2008-05-22 10:30AM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

The Clintons aren't racists. Hello? They sat in the White House in '92. What do you think Bill cares more about, power or the color of skin?

It's childish naivete to think the Clintons believe in racial superiority over another. It's also childish naivete not to think that proximity to the Presidency since '92 hasn't had a corrosive effect on Mr. Bill.

by catilinus 2008-05-22 10:35AM | 0 recs
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Their hands are definitely not totally clean.  This was hardscrabble politics and everybody got dirty.

But it also strains credibility to believe that the Obama campaign did not intentionally attempt to paint the Clintons as racists in early January, effectively firing the first shot.  There is no other explanation to JJJ's comments about Katrina or MO's "mistake" in saying that Bill's fairy tale comment was a description of the Obama campaign as a whole (and thus, implicitly the idea of a black man being president), rather than a specific reference to his position on Iraq.

The sooner we all acknowledge that everybody got dirty in this campaign and that there is no real moral high ground on which anyone can stand, the sooner we can all move on.

by Fuzzy Dunlop 2008-05-22 10:37AM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

zonk, I think you are wrong, Bigtime. What was going on when Jesse Jackson Jr. made Headlines saying about  Hillary shedding a few tears in New Hampshire that she didn't cry over Katrina? What was going on when Hillary talked about LBJ legislating MLK's march for civil rights-- the idea put forth by the Obama campaign that this was a reacist statement was on every media outlet for Weeks and echoed by every major AA associated with the Obama campaign. Was Bill Clinton supposed to ignore the fact Obama is running as an AA when he talked about South Carolina? The only injection of race being used pejoratively came from Team Obama over and over and over again. Ad Nauseum!! Ferraro said he got a free ride in the media because of his race--she was right. Where is the bigotry? Obama has practically made it axiomatic that if you don't vote for him you are a racist--see the way white folks in Appalachia are being smeared and smeared and smeared. Obama has trashed race relations in this country for his own ends. And it stinks.

by linfar 2008-05-22 11:52AM | 0 recs
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Well - you conveniently seem to want to turn this into a he said/she said situation....

For the record - I absolutely agree that Jesse Jackson Jr's comments were out of line.  I think it's pretty telling that that was pretty much the last we've seen of JJJr in a surrogate role.  

As for the MLK/LBJ comments - you'll need to provide me a citation from the Obama campaign about your accusation.  I'm sure they did comment on it - and you know what?  I think her statement was out of line, too.  It lends itself to this whole faulty idea African-Americans achieved 'equality' because a white president was magnanimous enough to give it to them... If we're going to analyze LBJ's pushing to pass the Civil Rights Act - then perhaps we should expand to the discussion and face the reality that the bill probably would not have passed had it not been for JFK's assassination.  It certainly wasn't heading for passage before he was killed.

It was a stupid comment, especially in the setting and time in which it was made - remember, it was made as the country was commemorating the Civil Rights movement.

Monday is Memorial day... I'm certainly not going to use Memorial Day to laud the Soviet Union - without whom the allies quite possibly fail to win the war.

Beyond that - you slip into a rant of hyperbole, tunnel-visioned statements, and a complete unwillingness or inability to discuss the issue rationally.

by zonk 2008-05-22 12:09PM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

It's undeniable that a proportion of white voters in Appalachia are racist.  It is not a smear if it is a fact.  Please see the exit polls to see what proportions said their vote was motivated by race - and they were just the ones that were willing to admit it.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 12:19PM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

I agree with you that the Clinton's are not racists themselves. But they absolutely have played the race card out of desperation. When Senator Clinton said "...hard working Americans - pause - white Americans", it was calculated and deliberate. Hillary Clinton has been in politics a long time. She is a pro in public, at debates, on the floor of the Senate, etc. She is no rookie when it comes to public speaking, and nothing that comes out of her mouth is 'accidental'. She is far too polished and smart to make that kind of gaffe. It was a deliberate appeal the most reactionary and base elements of the constituencies in the states of KY and WV. She knew what she was saying and so did they. Until that moment, I had respect for her. She squandered it all with that statement.

by awobbly 2008-05-22 12:18PM | 0 recs
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A big difference
is that you are framing the whole issue as one that is concerned with something greater than the Democratic Primary- you speak as if this is a national issue that concerns more than 35 million DEMOCRATIC primary voters.  It is not.   Despite what you might think of the 'other' half of the Democratic Primary electorate- we are not racists and we don't support racists- we are activist Democrats for pete's sake.


Ferraro, while what she said was stupid, was talking about the Democratic Primary process- and whether or not you want to admit it, being AA in the Democratic Primary DOES have certain advantages- certainly being able to win 90+ % of the AA vote.  Being a woman also has its advantages.


Very early on in this race, the Obama campaign quite skillfully, through it surrogates, made race the biggest issue for AA voters.


There would be absolutely no benefit for Clinton to be labeled a racist in the DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY campaign- for Obama, THERE HAVE BEEN MANY benefits to such a labeling.
by linc 2008-05-22 12:35PM | 0 recs
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Re: A big difference

"There would be absolutely no benefit for Clinton to be labeled a racist"

Lots of advantage for Clinton to paint Obama as the unelectable black candidate, your hip black friend who is attempting to shuck and jive his way into the presidency, the one who relies on African-Americans and eggheads and is endorsed by Farrakhan but can't gather to himself the hard-working vote, the white vote. You can't elect MLKs, (who has had an unfair advantage on account of his blackness afterall), you need the white LBJs on the president's chair instead.

The "he's unelectable" and the "why ain't these stupid voters noticing he's BLACK already" rhetorics were from the beginning tied together. And there's your advantage for trying to drag race into the spotlight. The republicans go with "He's black and dangerously unpatriotic", Hillary went with "He's black and unelectable".

My opinion: Clinton underestimated the extent to which loathing of racism in the Democratic base overcame even the desire for a (very slightly) more "electable" candidate as herself.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-22 12:59PM | 0 recs
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I get it now
you all think the Clinton's and her supporters are stupid- nice.
by linc 2008-05-22 01:03PM | 0 recs
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Clinton stupid? Far from it. I think she's brilliant. I also think she's evil ofcourse, but that's another matter.

I believe you think too highly of Clinton to believe she would stoop to using racism, and you therefore are angry at people for accusing her of it.

You're angry at the accusation, but you have no actual reason to believe the accusation is false except your personal estimation of Clinton's character.

You don't see me get angry at accusations of Obama as sexist -- I think such accusations may even have merit, but I also think that he never consciously used sexism in his campaign same as I believe Clinton used racism. Either way I believe I think less highly of him than you think of Clinton.

by Aris Katsaris 2008-05-22 01:17PM | 0 recs
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yes, how dare those black people feel offended by anything.

I don't get how some Clinton supporters can state unequivocally that there was serious sexism in this campaign, and shut down anyone who disagrees with them as trying to negate their legitimate feelings. Yet if someone states the same thing about racism, they're obviously flat wrong.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 10:32AM | 0 recs
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DING!

And that, ladies and gentlemen is what we call being logical.  Everyone take notes.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 11:28AM | 0 recs
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There is a huge difference
between claims of racism and claims of sexism in this race.  The sexism that has permeated the campaign has largely been perpetuated by the media, ignored by the Obama campaign.  Obama has had some gaffe's, most of which he apologized for.  Clinton was labeled as a racist or race-baiter (whats the difference) tacitly by the Obama campaign and by Obama's surrogates- memos, JJ Jr., the whole nine yards- coming right out to let us all know that HRC is a cynical race baiter because she dared claim LBJ and MLK both had a role in get civil rights on the books...  Clinton's one real, racist gaffe was the white voters demographic thing- which she apologized for and repeated Rangel's suggestion that it was indeed a stupid thing to say.  


The differences are stark.  Is there racism in this country?  Yes indeed.  During the course of this campaign, did the media perpetuate racism?  Nope, its taboo.  Sexism, however, is not taboo.


Folks like you, claiming that there wasn't sexism but indeed racism, compound the issue.
by linc 2008-05-22 12:09PM | 0 recs
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Folks like you, claiming that there wasn't sexism but indeed racism, compound the issue.

Except I never said that.
by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 12:54PM | 0 recs
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Oh ok
so your very one side comment was meant to state that you are being quite objective- I get it, thanks for the clarification.
by linc 2008-05-22 12:58PM | 0 recs
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Re: Oh ok

No problem. Your reading skills may be piss-poor, but if it makes you happy to draw your own fun conclusions, knock yourself out.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 01:17PM | 0 recs
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If I was an Obama supporter
I would probably tr you. Here is some mojo instead.
by linc 2008-05-22 01:46PM | 0 recs
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Re: You need to take a good look in the mirror

Hi linc, I have missed you :) How is it going in Montana? What do you think of her chances? I know Schweitzer likes her. Will that have any impact, do you think?

by linfar 2008-05-22 11:42AM | 0 recs
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"Hillary will bring honor to the party and the nation."

What?

She can't even act in an honorable fashion right now.  What makes you think she will as Prez?

You are living in a fantasy world, where up is down and black is white.  Bill Clinton makes disparaging remarks about Obama and all of a sudden Obama is the race baiter?  Please!

by Lawyerish 2008-05-22 08:51AM | 0 recs
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Could you point out how she is not acting in an "honorable fashion"?

Spell it out please . . . let's hear it.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-05-22 09:12AM | 0 recs
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You must have missed her speech yesterday where she compared the DNC penalty on FL and MI to blacks and women not being allowed to vote, or to elections in Zimbabwe.  Divisive rhetoric much?

by map 2008-05-22 09:15AM | 0 recs
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I guess you mean with divisive rhetoric that when a candidate says something that doesn't support your candidate's position then it's "divisive".

How is seeking the will of 2.5 million voters in FL/MI dishonorable??? Blacks/Women in America were denied voter rights Jim Crow/Suffrage and Zimbabwe is historic fact.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-05-22 09:20AM | 0 recs
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It's hard to imagine that anyone needs to explain to you that these were not full and fair elections, that they don't meet the most basic standards for proper elections under international law, and thus the results really can't be used.  They're like the elections from Iraq under Saddam where not everyone could compete.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 09:23AM | 0 recs
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Regardless of whose fault it was that the elections were not "full and fair" , Barack Obama, refused to "Re-enfranchise" the voters of MI and FL by allowing the will of those voters to be heard in a "full and fair" (in his mind) revote. . . end result . . . screw MI and FL voters, Mr. Obama said you had your chance and you blew it - and he wouldn't fix it with a truly "legitimate" revote.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-05-22 09:35AM | 0 recs
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Making things up is not good for the soul.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 09:38AM | 0 recs
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Why do you blame Barack Obama

... for the actions of Hillary for President Campaign Co-Chair Debbie Wasserman-Schultz?

by tbetz 2008-05-22 09:40AM | 0 recs
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What was fair for the Michigan revote? Obama wanted a revote open to the whole state. Clinton wanted only people who had voted in the (botched) Michigan primary already. Her option was to continue to disenfranchise those that stayed home or voted in the Republican primary instead of one that wouldn't count.

by dantes 2008-05-22 10:10AM | 0 recs
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Incorrect.  Clinton was open to any type of revote in MI.

Obama's own campaign on the other hand, outlined in the Robert F. Bauer memo 3/19/08 on the proposed new Michigan primary, explains why they opposed the revote due to problems with regard to "enfranchise a class of Republicans while disenfranchising a class of Democrats", who will pay for it, constitutionality challenges etc...

by wasanyonehurt 2008-05-22 11:05AM | 0 recs
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It took me 30 seconds

to find the Clinton "I would not accept a caucus" quote.

A caucus is a type of revote.  "Not accepting" a caucus is pretty much the opposite of "being open" to one.

[Trying to be nice here]... Would you care to amend that statement?

by corph 2008-05-22 11:26AM | 0 recs
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Since the game is up on caucuses, I'm sure she'd gladly accept a caucus now.

She would just do what Obama did, send an army of aggressive, vocal supporters. . . it's difficult to continue to game the caucus system once your opponent gets wise to it.

by wasanyonehurt 2008-05-22 12:05PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, Obama blackshirts

beat up and intimidated caucusgoers into voting for him.  I'm glad his campaign hired all those thugs to game the system, or Clinton would have won in a landslide.

Is this a new excuse for losing?  She didn't have an "army" of supporters, or that she didn't know how caucuses worked?  And if it's the "hardworking people don't have time to caucus" canard, that's no better.  If you know certain demos are less likely to vote, you either try to boost their turnout, or you focus on other demos.  You don't lose and then whine about the unfairness of the system.  Her supporters simply weren't as committed as Obama's, I say.  That or in their arrogance they didn't believe they would have to work hard for the nomination.

by corph 2008-05-22 12:25PM | 0 recs
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That wasn't his doing...

nor was the Tulza thing. Sorry, no dice.

Personal, priviledged information. I won't cite sources.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-22 10:15AM | 0 recs
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What "international law" are you talking about?

by wdAUS 2008-05-22 11:38AM | 0 recs
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I saw someone else say something similar about internation standards, they said the understanding is that you can't have a credible election without the candidates campaigning for the voters. Without getting to know the candidates it's based solely on name recognition.

Or maybe it's the fact that you could only vote for one person. Kind of hard to be a legitimate election when your choices are Clinton and nothing.

by Okamifujutsu 2008-05-22 03:07PM | 0 recs
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She hasn't been consistent on FL/MI.  She was for the penalty until she couldn't win because of the penalty.  Her current stance has nothing to do with voter enfranchisment, and for her to resort to rhetoric elevating this to Jim Crow/Suffrage is disgusting.

There's a meeting on the 31st where the delegations will most likely be sat in some fashion.

Two more weeks.

by map 2008-05-22 09:27AM | 0 recs
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I forgot when officials in FL and MI used hoses on Democratic primary voters, or beat them, or put out dogs...

by BWasikIUgrad 2008-05-22 11:14AM | 0 recs
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Florida is not Zimbabwe, and the Clinton campaign is making a mockery of itself by making the comparison.

People can and do get killed in Zimbabwe for supporting the opposition.  I am quite sure that Tsvangirai did not sign an agreement not to campaign, or have key aides on the committee that decided not to count the votes, or tell the press that the votes would not count.  These things are forced upon him by a man who has been dictator for almost three decades, at the point of a gun.

The comparison is despicable.

by TL 2008-05-22 11:37AM | 0 recs
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To be fair, her speech is being widely ridiculed, and only the usual deadenders are defending it.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 12:22PM | 0 recs
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OFF TOPIC

"Hillary will bring honor to the party and the nation."

Was anyone else humming the intro song to the Disney  movie "Mulan" when they read that?  Oh come on, someone out there was.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 02:57PM | 0 recs
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These diaries, once fairly well written, have descended into demagoguery.

by rfahey22 2008-05-22 08:51AM | 0 recs
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Demagoguery? Demagoguing involves at least some degree of skill.

This...


I sat in a restaurant here in Southern California in 2000 and before I could take off my Gore hat I was spit on by a gang of Bush boyz who were as arrogant and as mean as they could be. I have been figuratively spat on by Obama boyz this year who are equally arrogant and  no less ugly. It is as if they same boyz are voting for Obama and running his campaign.

...is just insane rambling.

Poor St. Linfar of the Martyred Vote, who has done no wrong in this election and exists only to be victimized by mean people.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 10:36AM | 0 recs
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I don't know about skill.  Influence seems to suffice - this junk was tailor-made for the No Quarter and Hillis44 trolls to put on the Rec List.

by rfahey22 2008-05-22 11:11AM | 0 recs
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Even though I lack the equipment...

Do I still qualify as a boy?  

by lollydee 2008-05-22 11:29AM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

Indeed you do.

In fact, haven't you heard Obama's campaign slogan?

"Obama 2008: Penises and Bad Attitudes for All!"

Now commence the spitting.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 11:34AM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

I'll loan you mine for a couple hours.

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 12:20PM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

There are so many places I could take this response but I think a simple "Thank you" will suffice.  :P

by lollydee 2008-05-22 12:58PM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

It is my experience in life that any time you are offered use of male genitalia by a person named "Black Anus," you politely decline while backing away slowly.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 01:20PM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

I think we all need to hear more about your experience in life. Frankly it sounds pretty kinky to me.

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 01:25PM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

Just don't ask about my half-German Shepherd son.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 01:41PM | 0 recs
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Internet Cycle Of Life

No matter what the board is about or who the posters are, eventually all things lead to porn.  Amen.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 02:55PM | 0 recs
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Re: Internet Cycle Of Life

That should be a corollary to Godwin's Law.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-05-22 03:22PM | 0 recs
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Re: Even though I lack the equipment...

Where's the fun in that?

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 01:26PM | 0 recs
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Two more weeks

I hope this diary is the one that gets you banned, again.  You seem to have gone way over the top attacking the likely Democratic nominee with smears and innuendo.

Another disgusting Linfar screed.

Two more weeks.

by map 2008-05-22 08:53AM | 0 recs
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Re: Two more weeks

I am Shame Rec'ing this piece of crap.

by RockvilleLiberal2 2008-05-22 09:29AM | 0 recs
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Re: Two more weeks

Ditto.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 11:49AM | 0 recs
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Good thing you got unbanned...

You certainly raise the level of discourse.

by zonk 2008-05-22 08:56AM | 0 recs
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What's incredible about this diary

is that it is so completely filled with misleading statements, smears, and unintended irony, that doing an "Annotated" response would require pages and pages of annotations.  It would be hugely time-consuming and ultimately fruitless, because anyone who engages in this level of dishonesty won't ever be swayed by a rational response.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-22 08:56AM | 0 recs
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Text book projection is great to see. eom

by heresjohnny 2008-05-22 08:57AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Republicans spit on you? Wow, I always thought CA people were supposed to be nice... I live in the Deep South, and I've never been spit on. I'm also very grateful for the fact that my car hasn't been vandalized yet -- tons of "offensive liberal propaganda" on it, but the fundies have let me get away with it so far.

by sricki 2008-05-22 08:58AM | 0 recs
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Oh, and I should add,

I'm sorry that happened to you. Republicans are scum.

by sricki 2008-05-22 09:01AM | 0 recs
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Re: Oh, and I should add,

I highly doubt that happened.  It sounds amazingly similar to the smear used against war protestors during Vietnam, that they were spitting on the troops when they came home.  

Did.not.happen.

by map 2008-05-22 09:03AM | 0 recs
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Re: Oh, and I should add,

I actually do know someone who was really spit on -- a professor I was very fond of (and know well enough to know he wasn't lying). Still, that was very rare. He never indicated that it was a widespread occurrence at all.

by sricki 2008-05-22 09:15AM | 0 recs
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map, vietnam protestors did spit on the troops,  The vitriol over vietnam makes Iraq seem like a walk in the park. Of course, if the draft were back and all the college guys were having to go, you would see similar.l

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:01PM | 0 recs
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some out of states women

who came to PA to volunteer for Clinton got spit on in state college and again here in NE PA.  They also got called all kinds of obscene names when they were doing visibility.

ps.... that WA PO article on racism in PA was nonsense.  Most of the things listed NEVER happened.  While I believe that people might have said racist things to phone callers, I know for a fact no Obama signs were burned in Scranton.
In addition, I called people who called Hillary all kinds of sexist names too.  Did the media ever tell that story.  No they were too busy telling lies for Obama and not bothering to check the facts.

by TeresaInPa 2008-05-22 09:04AM | 0 recs
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Re: some out of states women

TeresainPa - omnipresent overseer of all things Scranton.

I do feel for you - it must be tough - the whole of Scranton clearing their actions with you before proceeding.

by zonk 2008-05-22 09:07AM | 0 recs
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Re: some out of states women

This diary is pulling in all the heavy hitters...next round of crazy pills is on me!

by RockvilleLiberal2 2008-05-22 09:13AM | 0 recs
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Re: some out of states women
Teresa,
I saw and heard footage of real people from PA, KY, and WV saying racist things. Maybe they didn't call you up to tell you that they were going to say things like that, but they did say them. And reporters taped them and wrote down their words.
by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 09:21AM | 0 recs
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Re: some out of states women

And once again she talks about race, when we all know how she really feels:

or how about a Barack Obama (none / 0) shoe shine kit so you can get all spiffy before your business meeting?I am sure that would amuse everyone.
This typical PA White Person will be voting for Hillary.
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:52:15 AM EST

yes, it might be funny if they have (none / 0) one of Obama stealing a TV too. They could call it Barry the Looter and it would have a tiny TV you could watch in the airport in between flights.ha ha ha
This typical PA White Person will be voting for Hillary.
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:43:5

by venician 2008-05-22 09:38AM | 0 recs
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Re: some out of states women

Teresa is a vile racist.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 12:26PM | 0 recs
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Wow

That is vile.  I'll avoid her comments.  They are irrelevant as being Democrat and racist should be mutually exclusive in my book.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 01:03PM | 0 recs
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yes
I am sure some people said racist things just as some people said sexist things.  I said that didn't I?
The problem is that the WA PO story was full of undocumented lies.  No signs were burned in Scranton along the parade routes.  Call and ask the Scranton police if you like.  It was a bullshit story, but of course it fit your "Appalachians are racist" storyline so who cares?
This is just part of why Obama will lose in November.  
by TeresaInPa 2008-05-22 01:22PM | 0 recs
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How about a simple answer then.

Are you prejudiced against the brown people or aren't you?  Just be direct.  If you are, then okay, it's out there and I'll just avoid the heck out of you like I would anyone else with ignorant views but if you aren't, then here is your chance to clear your name and I, for one, will accept that you aren't.

It really is that easy.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 04:00PM | 0 recs
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crap

disgusting how you will assure us the spitting happened, but are equally convinced there wasn't any racism.

You were a top troll on dkos before you were banned and you are a top troll here.

by ameridad 2008-05-22 09:32AM | 0 recs
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The more I hear from you...

the more bitter you sound.

Funny that, isn't it?

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-22 10:18AM | 0 recs
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Hmmm. I was at a Dem meeting. We weren't sure but it seemed as if  a Bush mtg used the space before us. And yes. It got really ugly. But the same ugliness is coming from Obama boyz now. I am certainly not the only one saying this.

by linfar 2008-05-22 11:58AM | 0 recs
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Please back up these accusations with some evidence.  You claim to have been a journalist once - you know this crap wouldn't pass muster on the smallest local rag.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 12:28PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

A hatchet job of a smear wrapped in character assassination covered in sanctimony and served with sour grapes, cheese, and bitter whine.

It's "The Hillary End-Game Special!"

For the low low price of $20,000,000 in unpaid vendors.

by xdem 2008-05-22 08:58AM | 0 recs
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You write as if you are recovering from a concussion.

by Barrett Brown 2008-05-22 08:58AM | 0 recs
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This diary gave me a concussion

by KLRinLA 2008-05-22 10:58AM | 0 recs
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Contact the Admins

I've used the Contact Us form at the bottom to ask Todd if the hateful content from NoQuarter and Hillaryis44 is really welcome on MyDD, directing him to this diary.

Obama is the likely nominee at this point.  This crap has to stop.

I suggest others do the same.

by map 2008-05-22 08:59AM | 0 recs
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rec

by ameridad 2008-05-22 09:33AM | 0 recs
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Re: Contact the Admins

Done.  Diaries lies this at MyDD can aptly be described as FUN IN A LOST HOUSE.

by fogiv 2008-05-22 11:17AM | 0 recs
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Re: Contact the Admins

I'd rather save my political cache for people who legitimately need banning.

I've got a couple in mind.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 11:51AM | 0 recs
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I couldn't agree more
thanks for the diary.  Instead of all the premature "Obama won let's join hands" nonsense that has been posted here you have explained why a great many of us will not give up until the convention.
If 30 years of never having voted for anyone but a democrat doesn't give me that right, well then, this is not my party anymore.
by TeresaInPa 2008-05-22 09:00AM | 0 recs
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Re: I couldn't agree more

It's not your party anymore; I'm sure the Republicans will love your attitude, though, why not check 'em out?

by ragekage 2008-05-22 09:03AM | 0 recs
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Since McCain is a nice old white man

I am sure you'd warm up to him better.  Toodles

by KLRinLA 2008-05-22 11:00AM | 0 recs
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Birds of a feather...

how about a Barack Obama  
shoe shine kit so you can get all spiffy before your business meeting?
I am sure that would amuse everyone.
This typical PA White Person will be voting for Hillary.
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:52:15 AM EST

yes, it might be funny if they have  
one of Obama stealing a TV too. They could call it Barry the Looter and it would have a tiny TV you could watch in the airport in between flights.
ha ha ha

This typical PA White Person will be voting for Hillary.
by TeresaInPa on Tue May 06, 2008 at 12:43:54 AM

I'm so glad a fellow DDer provided these to me. I'll get endless use out of them.

TiP, why not troll rate me for your words?

by bookish 2008-05-22 11:26AM | 0 recs
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Re: Birds of a feather...

your welcome. I always copy truly offensive comments made by people here. They do tend to come in handy later.

by venician 2008-05-22 12:01PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Yawn. Here, this one's for you.

by ragekage 2008-05-22 09:02AM | 0 recs
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Is that a slice of American cheese?

by SpideyDem 2008-05-22 09:05AM | 0 recs
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I believe so!

by ragekage 2008-05-22 09:06AM | 0 recs
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Poor pootie!  Don't look now, but TeresainPA has troll rated your pootie.

by SpideyDem 2008-05-22 09:07AM | 0 recs
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TrollinPA troll-rates obsessively

when you can't debate, troll-rate.

by JJE 2008-05-22 10:03AM | 0 recs
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Re: TrollinPA troll-rates obsessively

If you can't debate, and you're too tired to troll-rate, TYPE IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT INCREASES THE TRUTH QUOTIENT.

(Dang. My fat thumbs ruined my halfway OK snark.)

by Rationalisto 2008-05-22 11:07AM | 0 recs
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Re: TrollinPA troll-rates obsessively

How can you troll-rate a cheese-head pootie?

by haremoor 2008-05-22 05:20PM | 0 recs
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It better be

none of that Swiss that Euroweenies like John Kerry like.

by JJE 2008-05-22 10:03AM | 0 recs
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Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Hillary's Strategist

The racial polarization we have seen in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky is the result of the high level of racism in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Indiana, West Virginia and Kentucky, and Hillary Clinton's willingness to play on that racism for her own ends.

I know first-hand about the climate of racism there, having grown up in three of those states.

by tbetz 2008-05-22 09:04AM | 0 recs
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Re: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Ditto on West Virginia, through firsthand knowledge.

by ragekage 2008-05-22 09:08AM | 0 recs
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Re: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Obama was forced by Tim Russell to admit that it was a mistake to push for the race card by sending out 4 pages memo accusing Bill Clinton as racist.

by JoeySky18 2008-05-22 09:09AM | 0 recs
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Who's TIm Russell...

... and where is the cite to support your assertion?

by tbetz 2008-05-22 09:11AM | 0 recs
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Re: Who's TIm Russell...

heh, you know Tim Russell, or maybe it was this Time Russell, per perhaps this one?

by fogiv 2008-05-22 11:22AM | 0 recs
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Re: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

This is unmitigated bs.

One campaign staffer compiled actual statements from people in the Clinton campaign and sent them out. These were things folks actually said.

Now, in my opinion, a few of the examples didn't have racial content, like the fairytale comment. But the rest? Shuck and jive, what else did Obama do with drugs, he's like Jesse Jackson, they got a mugging from Obama....sure sounds like it to me.

Yet, as you admit, Obama said that the staffer shouldn't have done it.

On the other side, you see a coordinated effort to claim sexism based on very weak examples, like Ferraro saying that it was sexist to ask Clinton hard questions in a debate.  

by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 09:27AM | 0 recs
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Hillary herself

played the sexism card this week.

by JJE 2008-05-22 10:02AM | 0 recs
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Re: Hillary herself

I think she's used up about four decks by now.

by TL 2008-05-22 11:43AM | 0 recs
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Re: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Thanks Joey, I forgot that one. It was on Tim Russert Meet the Press. The 4 pages made news for about 2 hours :)

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:06PM | 0 recs
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Re: Don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining.

Double ditto, as both sides of my family are from different parts of Appalachia. Facts is facts, as my grandfather use to say.

by Rationalisto 2008-05-22 11:05AM | 0 recs
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I'm sick and tired of being called racist because I don't support Obama.  He is extremely inexperience and unqualified for the job.
His performance in the electoral map is worrisome.

I want DEM president.   And the stronger candidate to win the general election in HRC.

by JoeySky18 2008-05-22 09:08AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Two months ago the stronger candidate in the GE was clearly Obama.  Chuck Todd and other experts predict a bounce when the Dem primary ends, and all things being equal Obama will likely be riding high again in GE polling.  Why is this particular snapshot of the GE all-important?

by SpideyDem 2008-05-22 09:11AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"


I'm sick and tired of being calling a sexist because I won't support the dynasties in the White House.  

No more.

by neonplaque 2008-05-22 09:15AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

I wont support the dynasties in the White House

Im sure John, Robert and Edward would be sad to here that.

As well as teddy and franklin.

As well as John Adams Jr and his son, John Quincy Adams.

---all great people with clear and influential family ties in and around the white house.

by alyssa chaos 2008-05-22 10:19AM | 0 recs
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Well, we had only one Kennedy in the Oval Office, and for a too brief 22 months.  The Adams father and son were separated by 3 intervening presidents, and anyway, I regret my vote for the son. Teddy & Franklin?  FDR was the fifth cousin of Teddy.  

FWIW, I'm sure the Founders would have been appalled to see:

1989 - 1993: Bush I
1993 - 2001: Clinton I
2001 - 2009: Bush II
2009 - 2017: Clinton II

Seems a bit, je ne sais quoi, monarchic?

by Twin Planets 2008-05-22 11:38AM | 0 recs
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Who has called you a racist?

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 09:25AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

interestedbystander, at least a dozen times on this site.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:08PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Yes, because you spew vile racist crap.  I would expect people to call you a racist.  And you were in fact banned for a racist diary, were you not?  My comment was not to you but to neonplaque.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 12:34PM | 0 recs
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The stronger candidate won the primary.

If you think Obama is not as experienced as Hillary, that is totally your right. But the stronger candidate won the primary and will win the GE. It is logically inconsistent to think that HRC is demonstrably the weaker candidate who lost the primary yet somehow she will magically  win the GE. It doesn't work that way in real life.

by edg1 2008-05-22 09:39AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

"I want DEM president."

If you say that in a cave man voice it's a lot funnier.  Go ahead, try it.

by Rumproast 2008-05-22 09:55AM | 0 recs
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milk just came out of my nose.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 11:53AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Lots of people on myDD have called Clinton supporters racist, and much worse.  I agree with Joey.  It is not only sickening, it is totally non-productive.
Let me remind you what the myDD About Us page says:
"MyDD is a group blog designed to discuss campaigns, the progressive movement, and political power."  

Then farther down that same page:

"#  * Users who are bashing or attacking any other user on the site, including authors of diaries and frontpage postings, will be banned. Candidates and politicians are fair game (but that doesn't mean you can use inflammatory language against candidates).

# * Post as many comments as you like, but users that post comments that do nothing but name-call, denigrate the site users, or make inflammatory remarks will either be warned, or outright banned."

I have been called names on this list that I had never been called in my life, and seen the same name calling of Clinton supporters many, many times.  If you want us to change our minds about an issue, don't you think a reasonable discussion is a better tactic than calling us inflamatory, insulting names?  If that is what you really think you should be doing in the name of supporting Senator Obama, then maybe he should have hired more mature bloggers.

by mbolack 2008-05-22 11:00AM | 0 recs
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I've been amazed for months at the number of Clinton supporters who claim that there's been this tidal wave of racism accusations directed at them. I've been here the whole time. I've read a ton of diaries. And I must say that the personal accusations (directed at specific posters here) of making a racist comment or of being a racist are pretty damn rare. It's my impression that people are pretty cautious about it. And yet we've got all these people who've never been called racist feeling like they've been called racist. Is it because they see one poster accused of it and they happen to agree with everything that poster says?

Racism isn't the bogey man in the closet... it doesn't go away because we convince ourselves it's not there. When someone is called out for racism on this site, in my observation, it's because they've written something that warrants that word. It's not thrown out like a casual insult, it's an honest description of the accused poster's words from the perspective of many readers.

by Mobar 2008-05-22 11:24AM | 0 recs
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Mobar, I think when you are on the receiving end of this stuff, it sticks a little better. I have never bragged about my civil rights work, but I have been proud of it. To be called a racist is about the worst thing you could call me. Now I see a whole part of the United States getting tarred with that brush--and it isn't right. Just look at the comments on this diary saying they are racist in Appalachia--because they lived there and they Know. Jeeeze. I do not think race is the issue in appalachia but I do think Wright is. And calling these people bitter and clinging and racist won't win you many votes either.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:14PM | 0 recs
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Racist? No.

I would never deign to call you a racist, even though you have written racist things.  

You are a propagandist.

by map 2008-05-22 12:35PM | 0 recs
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It is interesting that in a baseless smear of a troll diary, that made the recommended list.  Your giving Clinton supporters the moral high ground.

I missed where people were being called racist because they did not support Obama.  I think it was more what they were saying at the time.  Now I have watched people labled as sexist, and mysoginist, for the most absurd things here.  Which detracts from the people calling someone on a clearly sexist comment, or something that would not be considered if it was directed at a man.

And you go on to imply we are hired, and immature, classy.

I have been called names on this list that I had never been called in my life,

Since your implying that happend here can you provide a single example of a reply to you where this was done?  You can't because it never happend.

by Tumult 2008-05-22 12:09PM | 0 recs
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You're entitled to your opinions, even if they are copied from the daily talking points email.

by neeborMolgula 2008-05-22 11:14AM | 0 recs
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Well it help your point if people saw all these invisible charges of racism leveled at Clinton supporters.

What's your opinion on the NoQuarter Approved™ word "boyz"?

This girl finds it incredibly obnoxious.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 11:55AM | 0 recs
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I agree with you. And why is it that when someone votes for Obama, no one says that person is sexist?

by Enviro 2008-05-22 03:49PM | 0 recs
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I have been figuratively spat on by Obama boyz this year who are equally arrogant and  no less ugly. It is as if they same boyz are voting for Obama and running his campaign.

What can I say that hasn't been said before? Just the truth -- The majority of women under 65 voted for Obama.

Cut the gender victim garbage.  This offends many women, particularly younger ones (although I am offended and am 50) and puts back the cause of feminism quite a bit.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 09:19AM | 0 recs
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Do you have a cite for that?

by Pacific John 2008-05-22 10:11AM | 0 recs
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Exit polling from CNN.

by map 2008-05-22 10:28AM | 0 recs
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Do you have a cite?

Do you have now any evidence to support your diary madea a couple of weeks back that Obama conducted fraud on the state of Texas.  You still have not come up with any evidence of said event.  How long are you going to make us wait?  Or was that all bullshit at the time and you should be banned for writing it?

by nklein 2008-05-22 10:38AM | 0 recs
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Well that diary was true, Obama's staff trained his people, so they understood the rules, and knew how to handle a caucus.

Of course in this case fraud means educated people following the rules.  Which is clearly unfair when put up against the undereducated and incompetent Clinton supporters.   And yes this is a bit harsh, but articles were done on Obama's campaign doing a very good job of training people.  At the same time it was mentioned that the Clinton campaign at times admitted they were unaware of the rules.

So the Clinton supporters felt intimidated that the Obama supporters knew more about the process. Which I think is a normal feeling.

by Tumult 2008-05-22 12:19PM | 0 recs
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current polling shows most women democrats

want obama.

kos posted about that.

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-22 10:56AM | 0 recs
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Re: current polling shows most women democrats

ROFLMAO--well, if kos said it. Wowie. it must be gospel.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:16PM | 0 recs
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Sure.

so you're saying hillary is really a Black Dog hellbitch? Cause kos said she was warm and friendly in person. I believe him, but that's because I can verify the source.

He was quoting a poll. you have a sudden problem with polling?

by BlogSurrogate57 2008-05-22 12:27PM | 0 recs
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Be clear

the majority of AA women under 65 voted for Obama....

by emmasaint 2008-05-22 12:44PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

I find your repeated linking of the word "victim" to "gender" and "feminist" rudely dismissive and frankly verymanipulative.  It does a terrible disservice.  It reminds me of the way Republicans tagged the word "liberal."

by ahw 2008-05-22 01:29PM | 0 recs
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Lies, smears, innuendo, more lies, slurs.  A classic linfar diary.

by interestedbystander 2008-05-22 09:24AM | 0 recs
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"FOUND IN A FUN HOUSE"

would be a more appropriate title for this diary and the whole Clinton cabal. My wife and I care for her 80 year old mother, who is totally bedridden. We change diapers, dispense medications, do range-of-motion exercises, etc. She was a lifelong Republican but has now become a Democrat. She originally supported Hillary but changed her support to Obama because of the downright filthiness oozing from every Clintonian pore. Please don't disenfranchise Mom by stealing the election for Hillary. I'm not sure she could survive.

by edg1 2008-05-22 09:34AM | 0 recs
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edg1, my sympathy for your mother's plight and good on you for taking care of her.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:17PM | 0 recs
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Thanks.

by edg1 2008-05-23 05:55PM | 0 recs
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Many of you have lost your minds.

I don't believe that either campaign is racist or sexist, but I do believe that they've both played those cards.

by venavena 2008-05-22 09:45AM | 0 recs
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Anyone want to bet on when this hits the rec list?

I'm guessing 2:11 PM EST

by Rumproast 2008-05-22 09:57AM | 0 recs
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It's there.

This diary is uncalled for.

Why would you drag this stinking corpse of a controversy back on the Rec.List? We've been over this countless times.

Comparing Obama with Bush is weak on so many levels.

You should be banned for peddling this crap over and over again.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-22 10:08AM | 0 recs
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I think a bunch of ppl rec'd it just to get linfar banned again.  Though I don't support that action, I do enjoy watching linfar get shredded here.

by iowa dem 2008-05-22 11:51AM | 0 recs
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It's not as much fun as when you can steer the conversation to slavery, and how it wasn't really so bad.  Her ancestors had it worse, dontcha know.

If you can get THAT in a diary where she brags about helping out the poor little AA community, it's comedy gold.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 11:58AM | 0 recs
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Jess81, would you like to toss out an issue you would be capable of discussing like a thoughtful human being? I'd be happy to debate you. I mean it. Is there even one issue you could discuss?? Or is this it? Exactly the sort of tactics this diary rejects.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:20PM | 0 recs
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Remember when Obama

held a gun to Bill Clinton's head and made him shoot his mouth off about Jesse Jackson?  And remember when he kidnapped Andrew Cuomo and forced him to say "shuck and jive"?

That shameful, shameful race-baiting Barack Obama!

by JJE 2008-05-22 10:08AM | 0 recs
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And remember how after South Carolina, Bill Clinton went on an official "apology to the black community" tour?  Ended it off with the classic "I'm sorry if my comments were misinterpreted".

But that was then.  The Big Dog knows which side his bread is buttered on.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 11:59AM | 0 recs
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I have said shuck and jive. So has the BBC. That phrase lost its racist overtones and became synonymous with a con artist some time ago. I think the BBC called Bob Dylan a "shuck and jive" artist. But when poor Andrew Cuomo said it, the Obama Team Pounced!! Never mind that Team Obama had been parsing the words of the Clintons and their supporters for phrases they could make into racist indictments. This truly doesn't scare you?  It scares me. And it plays fast and lose with a serious issue for personal gain. Let's drive up those AA numbers--here's another phrase we can twist into being a racist comment. Get Coumo. Yeah!!

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:26PM | 0 recs
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I've called a man a bitch before.  I guess "bitch" has lost its sexist overtones and become synonymous with jerks.  All hail linfar for freeing us from PC tyranny!  We can all say nigger without fear of retribution now!  A glorious day has dawned!

by JJE 2008-05-22 12:32PM | 0 recs
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The victimization of the American Electorate is the sad residue of this cycle. More sexism or more racism.  How about both?

We understand the isms that plague our society. I had thought that it was our duty as progressives to stand together against all of them.

When the MSM tries to turn Hillary into the "bitch" that strong women are faced with everyday in this country, we must voice our opposition.

When the MSM tries to invalidate voters of color by their obsession with "white working class" voters and treating everyone else as mere afterthoughts, we must speak out.

However, what I reject is the "I'm more of a victim than you." Can we accept that both these elements have been alive and well in this campaign and that both candidates have blazed a trail that has fractured the prejudice that exists in our beloved nation.

As a gay man, I understand how discrimination plays well. I've had my heart broken as I watch my fellow LBGT community members be used as political footballs for electoral gain. I fret at the reality that some kids out there struggling with their identity, feeling isolated and alone, must watch their nation's leaders give credence to the cruel reality they are faced with daily.

However, this is not it. This issue isn't the whole of the injustice that exist. I cannot say as I walk to work through a community weighted down by racialized poverty, that my issue trumps yours. My injustice is more than. It is not.

Injustice against our brothers and sisters, has many faces, but stems from the same ugly beast.

To those who are angry over Hillary's treatment, I say good. You are justified.

To those who are angry over the treatment of Obama, I say good. You are justified.

The two are not separate. They are the same enemy and we can become fractured and tear at each other while the beast of injustice laughs, or we can put away this silliness and get to work.

Across the street from my job, there is a beautiful and large park. For the year I've been working here I've never seen a child play in it. Only drug dealers and cops who go back and forth in this endless struggle.

I'm stopped once a week by an embarrassed brother or sister looking for directions to the food bank around the corner.

This is only my view. All of you have similar views with a different although equally disturbing landscape. And yet, for all this injustice, it is the progressives who are breaking my heart.  I am Obama's keeper and I am Hillary's keeper. My brother, my sister.

by sacca28 2008-05-22 10:16AM | 0 recs
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Beautifully stated. When did America become the country of "I'm more of a victim than you are" and wear it with pride? (My personal bet: after 9/11)

by upstate girl 2008-05-22 10:26AM | 0 recs
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Thank you. I'm hoping the light at the end of the tunnel isn't a train.

by sacca28 2008-05-22 10:37AM | 0 recs
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Mojo'd. When we devolve into arguing over whether sexism is worse than racism, everybody loses.

by CrazyDrumGuy 2008-05-22 10:46AM | 0 recs
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thanks for this comment sacca28. I wish I could see it your way. the sexism has been unbearable and the accusations of racism equally so. I just don't get where the other side had it nearly as bad.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:29PM | 0 recs
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You don't get where racism is as bad as sexism?

You don't get where a black man is being treat AT LEAST as bad as a white woman on the campaign trail?  You can honestly say that?  

(In Stan's voice from Southpark) - REALLY??

All snark aside, are you really, really serious?

Then that seems like it's is the real issue.  I feel some soul searching on your part may be in order.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 03:10PM | 0 recs
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Don't you know that if Obama's pastor had been Hagee, and not Wright, none of that stuff would have ever happened. Look at how long McCain walked without having to answer for Hagee. It's not the color of the candidate. It's the color of their pastors. Negro minister --> SUPER DUPER SCARY!

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 03:33PM | 0 recs
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Hmmm

Perhaps it is the fear that hard working white folk people will inexplicably find themselves unable to resist putting those shiny spinning wheels on their cars and other such vices that plague us.

:O

by lollydee 2008-05-22 03:47PM | 0 recs
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My rims never spin to the contrary
You'll find that they're quite stationary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7 kw

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 04:13PM | 0 recs
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HAHAHAHA

This diary has brought out so much good with the bad.  

The Funny, may it never end.

by lollydee 2008-05-22 04:28PM | 0 recs
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Re: HAHAHAHA

Amen.

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 04:37PM | 0 recs
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The Onion predicts the future.

by sleepinggiant 2008-05-22 10:18AM | 0 recs
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I'm protest rec'ing this

linfar should be re-banned for this garbage. NoQuarter and Hillaryis44 are more suitable places for this.

by dantes 2008-05-22 10:18AM | 0 recs
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Re: I'm protest rec'ing this
Funny.  I thought myDD was a place for Democrats to express their opinions about anything democratic.
Have you now decided that it is really only a pro-Obama site?  
by mbolack 2008-05-22 10:49AM | 0 recs
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Re: I'm protest rec'ing this

This diary is the equivalent of discussing Bill running cocaine out of Arkansas or Hillary murdering Vince Foster.  It has no place here.

by map 2008-05-22 10:55AM | 0 recs
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HATE

If all the hateful comments posted to diaries on this Web site, were laid end to end they would circle the globe and more.

I would think that logical, well-thought-out responses would be more effective in getting one's point across.

Portrayed hate is not a convincing argument in any exchange of ideas.

by LA 2008-05-22 10:23AM | 0 recs
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Wow, LA, that is a powerful image--all these comments laid end to end circling the globe with hate and nonesense and bile.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:30PM | 0 recs
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Honestly, I don't care if this makes the rec list

Because its absolutely falling into a new pattern.

1. Linfar writes a rambling, typo-strewn, hate filled invective lacking logic and fact. Please note she's already been banned once for this.

2. Linfar spams Hillaryis44 members to come rec it. (Last time they told her to quit it after she spammed them 5 times for the same diary.)

3. The growing majority of MyDD users give it the thumbs down.

4. A shrinking minority of the anti-Obama corps (I refuse to trash Clinton by calling them her supporters) show up for a brief appearance only to vanish again - there's a lot of diaries to troll, after all, and so few anti-Obama trolls to go around anymore.

Linfar, you're so addicted to the attention that you can't let it go, even when the only people that support your diaries are the GOP trolls and the outright racists (Hi TheresainPA!) and the His44 loonies that drive-by rec your ramblings so you'll shut up and quit bugging them. If you stopped now, you'd ruin the amusement of everyone watching your own personal car wreck. Keep up the good work!

by upstate girl 2008-05-22 10:24AM | 0 recs
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Maybe the best summary of this diarist and this phenomenon, ever.

by rfahey22 2008-05-22 10:32AM | 0 recs
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Upstate Girl for President!

by Rationalisto 2008-05-22 11:01AM | 0 recs
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thanks man, but even I'm not crazy enough to want to run for that job. ;)

by upstate girl 2008-05-22 11:08AM | 0 recs
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After I typed that statement, I was afraid you'd thinking I was placing some kind of curse on you.  :P

by Rationalisto 2008-05-24 09:27AM | 0 recs
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Perfect
A shrinking minority of the anti-Obama corps (I refuse to trash Clinton by calling them her supporters)

That really sums it up perfectly.  Nicely done.
by map 2008-05-22 10:33AM | 0 recs
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Well put.

I especially like how she's spewing crap about Obama smeared Ted Kennedy. A couple of days ago she told me Ted Kennedy hates women and bear the thought of a woman taking what he considers' his and his brothers' rightful place.

Amazing that some of these people were unbanned so they could continue their spittle-flecked rants.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-22 12:19PM | 0 recs
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Here's Linfar on Ted Kennedy just before his stroke:

Discrimiation against women, sexism, male bias--all are ascendant. Race trumps class and sex. Kennedy hates Clinton for being a viable female  candidate for his martyred brother's office. As far as he is concerened the Presidency belongs to Men. Get over it Missy...  

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-22 12:22PM | 0 recs
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Hey, thanks for reminding me about Kennedy, the most infamous womanizer and abuser of women in the Sentate. [Dodd is a close second] I do think Kennedy can not abide the idea of a woman in the white house. If you abuse women, mistreat them, deride them and scorn them, as Kennedy often does--particulary when drunk--you don't want a woman in your brother's hallowed spot. Kennedy has also been a liberal lion in he senate, has passed some landmark progressive legislation and fought for a better deal for  working people. Like too many men on the left he embodies this paradox. Of course, fhe next time I see this statement the last few sentences will be left out. But nobody believes your misquoting any more. It is an old and failed strategy.  

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:37PM | 0 recs
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But nobody believes your misquoting any more.

"misquoting"?

You shouldn't use words you don't know the meaning of.

Like "misquoting", "sane", "rational", "and", "the".

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-22 12:48PM | 0 recs
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To the wreck list you go.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-22 10:32AM | 0 recs
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Same exact stuff. Different day.

I'm sure it'll be on the rec list momentarily.

by Travis Stark 2008-05-22 10:33AM | 0 recs
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WHo's your goal here?

Yeah, I know this is red meat.

But let's just say that you win and Clinton is able to get herself to the top of the ticket by attacking the party and discrediting its democratic process.

Not to mention attacking Obama and his supporters personally.

You think this "outraged at the party!" thing only works one way?

I didn't bother reading this garbage past the first few sentences, which I took as an offensive attack on me personally.

Even if you were able to get your candidate in the top spot using this kind of attack on the party, don't you think you'll have to convince all those people who voted for Obama?

And you're losing your credibility where we're concerned.

So I hope that red meat was real tasty.

by luckymortal 2008-05-22 10:45AM | 0 recs
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I know the "outraged at the party" doesn't work just one way. The party has been terrified AAs would take their marbles and go home or as Sharpton threated, would riot, in Denver if SDs give the nod to Clinton. The dems in fact have been so focused on this, they ignored women. I think it will come back to haunt them. Women, as always, actually run the party and the precincts and the gotv effort.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:42PM | 0 recs
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Yes, I wouldn't say women entirely run the party, but without them it would most certainly fail.

And even so, Obama won the voting portion of the election. The "Dems" didn't ignore women because as you say, the Dems largely ARE women. Women who voted for Obama pretty heavily in most age groups.

He had a lot of support from women, including all of the politically active women I know.

But then again, I live in Illinois right now....

IN the end, I hope this makes him work extra hard to win over this important set of voters. Every politician should have to. And in the end I think he'll be a stronger candidate for it.

by luckymortal 2008-05-22 02:58PM | 0 recs
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ANd thanks for your reply.

Thanks. Mojo'ed.

by luckymortal 2008-05-22 03:00PM | 0 recs
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You know, if the positions were reversed Obama supporters would not be behaving like this. We didn't do it while we were behind.

This diary is unnecessary, uninspired and flat out wrong.

Yet it, once again, has found its way to the top of pile.

by Archer2 2008-05-22 10:54AM | 0 recs
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Bill's comment is beyond belief in its hyperbole and disengenuousness.

Fine. You don't have to agree with those of us who felt the Clinton's were race baiting in SC. But I did. That's when I realized that Hilary doen't have the temperment to be president. That's when she lost me.

by Rationalisto 2008-05-22 11:00AM | 0 recs
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Well, hey, Obama's strategy was effective. wasn't it? He convinced yu Hillary is a racist. Amazing.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:43PM | 0 recs
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It's like vomit on my screen.

This is the sort of diary that's going to turn MyDD into the archetypal fringe site that is referenced anytime someone wants to disparage liberality by linking it to the internet's looniest moonbats.

On a respectable progressive blog, linfar would've been banned to eternity for any number of the tripe-filled, party-immolating tirades she's gone on (and been rewarded for) here.

Flame away. I just can't bring myself to even say anything positive about the diarist or her supporters.

by bookish 2008-05-22 11:00AM | 0 recs
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This is histrionic, propagandist bullshit

The fact that so many people would rec this is extremely disheartening.  But for the Bill Clinton quote there is not one iota of fact or logical conclusion in this entire diary(rant). In a few cases linfar outright lies, making ridiculous unsubstantiated claims.  

This one for instance:
Obama has also stiffed the press, much as Bush did. Do we really want to go back to a managed white House with no press appearances except those that declare victory--be it on destroyers or in Iowa.

Where do you get this from?  No one believes that, it's not something that is common knowledge so therefore you either back it up with something or you don't say it at all.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-22 11:01AM | 0 recs
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Dear Viper, the info about the press is well hidden. It only slips out every now and then. But if you bother to look it up. The press every now and then complains about his lack of availability. I think when he became the front-runner is when he became less and adn then less and then less available. It follows the Bush trajectory.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:46PM | 0 recs
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Then isn't odd how most of the press endorsements

have been for Obama, since he's been eluding them and all.  

And if he has been doing fewer interviews (you certainly can't say he's stopped doing them)a logical person with no preconceived biases might think that it's just because he's been busy campaigning.  

One might even see it as a testament to Hillary Clinton's grit and determination that he's still campaigning so hard against her, even though he's in the lead.

Your response only made my convinctions stronger, but I really do appreciate that you responded.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-22 01:22PM | 0 recs
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Curious whether there was any evidence of "press evasion."   Here's what I found:

4/21/08:  http://www.time-blog.com/swampland/2008/ 04/lemme_eat_my_waffle.html

2/25/08:  
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/020 8/8685.html

by ahw 2008-05-22 01:48PM | 0 recs
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Fabulous. If only the diarist had done the same...

Then we could have had a debate about campaigning styles rather than whether or not it was true that anyone had said that.

The real question is should we relate press access with a level candor?  I say McCain is the best example of how it would be naive to associate the two.  

I don't know how anyone could claim that Bush is a bad president because he doesn't communicate with the press.  I thought he was a bad president because he started a war we shouldn't have waged, torture, undermining the constitution and civil liberties...etc... That's not how cause and effect works.  

Even the pejorative article in politico seemed to acknowledge that the national press often doesn't talk about real issues facing Americans, but get very caught up in the "process and punditry".  

So is it really so scandalous that Obama would not want to speak to the press on the rope line while doing a meet and greet w/ voters.  Doesn't that show us who he's accountable to.  It sounds like a couple of Nat'l reporters annoyed that they aren't being kowtowed to.

by Tenafly Viper 2008-05-22 03:16PM | 0 recs
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I agree that it is a good idea to provide some sort of evidence for factual statements.  However, when  one is expressing opinion it isn't necessary--though it I guess it wouldn't hurt to provide some  commentary support from sources that share your opinion, a la today's "dueling feminists" - Robin Morgan and Erica Jong - [and I've always preferred Ms. Morgan to Ms. Jong, it isn't just a convenience since I'm currently a Hillary supporter :)]

by ahw 2008-05-22 03:30PM | 0 recs
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Typical of Bill


   to blame everyone else for one of his rare, but colossal, mistakes.

  The dismissal of Obama's success in South Carolina was not racist...it was merely incredibly stupid. You wonder how Clinton became a Rhodes Scholar if he truly believed that shit. It was stupid, and offensive.

  However, when you add that to Hillary's refusal to condemn Geraldine Ferraro, or Bob Johnson, the "hardworking, white vote," comment, the badly worded statement about MLK's legacy and Hillary's dismissal of most states with sizable AA populations.....

  One does begin to wonder what the hell is up. And Bill Clinton is a smart man, he should know that, as should his equally (if not more so) intelligent wife. So what in the hell were they thinking with these actions. And what did they expect voters to think?

  The Clintons are not racist. But they brought that perception, and the problems that came with it, on themselves. They have no one to blame, but themselves.

by southernman 2008-05-22 11:02AM | 0 recs
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You've got it backwards Linfar


     it is Clinton who is using Rovian tactics to try and stop someone from achieving what she believes is "her" nomination.

   It is Clinton who ran the inept campaign she ran. Obama never once claimed the Clintons were racist.

   And voter intimidation? That's a flat out lie. Hillary got beat. There was no intimidation. Unless Hillary supporters are such wimps that they simply left the polling place b/c they saw more Obama people there.

  Knock it off.

by southernman 2008-05-22 11:05AM | 0 recs
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The Clintons did try and bully and browbeat superdelegates. They've threatened Kerry, they implied Bill Richardson owes them something, their supporters have attempted to bully, bribe and blackmail everyone from college kids to Pelosi and Dean. Hillary desperately tries to make everyone think Obama has close ties to Louis Farrakhan (scary black men everywhere!), her whole "hard-working white Americans" just showed her cards on how she's trying to race-bait/scare SDs.

Just like Hillary and her supporters can't accept that she lost this nomination because of her own record, Bill can't accept that their race-baiting wasn't just unsuccessful, it was blatantly obvious. I guess when you spend years reading about how smart you are, you overplay your hand and think everyone else is dumb enough to fall for your crap.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-22 12:27PM | 0 recs
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Do you have any back up for they bullied and browbeat SDs? How did they threaten Kerry? Details please...Richardson wasn't called a Judas by Carville for nothing. He was a disgrace. I mean toady doesn't even do it justice. Hillary didn't bring out the stuff on Wright--let alone Farrakhan--and many are saying that is one place the campaign went wrong. She had the goods on Wright a long time before it broke.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:51PM | 0 recs
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I find it the height of irony, that while us Obama supporters are often refered to as cultists and Kool-aide drinkers and all that junk, that you find it perfectly reasonable to compare a superdelegate who decided to go with another candidate to the man who betrayed the Son of God.

A "Sense of Entitlement" indeed.

by Archer2 2008-05-22 01:00PM | 0 recs
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Re: You've got it backwards Linfar

She had the goods on Wright a long time before it broke.

You mean people wouldn't have cared sooner?

She desperately tried to flog Farrakhan in the last debate. It was the moment I crossed the line from fatigue and distaste into hatred for her.

As for the attempts to bribe, bully and browbeat SDs, do your own googling. But I'll give you a starting point: Haim Sabran.

Your stupid and nasty comments about Richardson say more about you than him (as you frequently overreach in your rage--are you sure you're not HRC herself?). He had a well-etablished reputation in the House before Bill Clinton was elected.

by BlueinColorado 2008-05-22 05:34PM | 0 recs
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The Cultural Revolution?

It's true that some of his male supporters think intimidation is fair, and part of the Democratic process. They have their reasons, they think that only Barack can restore our nation's reputation and take us back from the militaristic way of international relations, and so they're doing it for the 'best' of all reasons, but bullies are bullies, in my book there are no good bullies.  When you've had first hand experience with it, it's easy to feel bitter.  In China they would have sent us to the rice fields and burned our libraries. But I can make one case for them, that's that they've seen us fuck things up and they'd like their own chance. Kennedy was one of those younger voters fellows, and he made a hash of things, the war, the Cuban missile crisis, the Berlin wall, all on his short watch.  And his degree was in history, so who'd have thunk?  

The reason I'm for her isn't that I fear what Barack might do, but I know what she would do, rely on experts and professionals, be cautious in her approach but leave no nation under the false impression that there isn't anyone in charge, and that it's open season on vulnerable people.  

I'd like to see some Barack supporter apologize for what you experienced, and make a case that it's not okay with them, and that there are standards of behavior that undermine legitimacy.  But if it happens it'll give credence to the charm bloggers rumor and I don't think there are charm bloggers, at least none that I've seen.  

by anna shane 2008-05-22 11:14AM | 0 recs
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Hillary supporters playing the victim card. C'mon now! Their are insults thrown around by both sides. This Obama boyz are bad bloggers crap is tired out and lame. I don't hear you complaining when people like linfar post this garbage. Matter of fact. I'm sure you and anna belle (alter ego user) have recc'ed this up.

by spacemanspiff 2008-05-22 11:22AM | 0 recs
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Whoa - That's some paranoia you got there:

It's true that some of his male supporters think intimidation is fair, and part of the Democratic process. . . In China they would have sent us to the rice fields and burned our libraries.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 11:55AM | 0 recs
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Cliiton rely on experts? The experts said their were NO WMD's in Irq, and the experts said Iran had stopped it's nuclear arms ambitions, and the experts said the gas tax was a pander. Why didn't she listen to the experts???????????????????????

by venician 2008-05-22 12:12PM | 0 recs
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Hey, Anna, you are right! Charm bloggers, giggle. Where are they? I'd take some. I would. The guys on here just stay unrelentingly mean and nasty and a wee bit thuggee. Dialogue seems to be a lost art.

by linfar 2008-05-22 12:54PM | 0 recs
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Re: The Cultural Revolution?

well, the cultural revolution was a tad mean, but the analogy works, out with the old, in with the new, we don't matter.  Personally I think this primary cycle has been fun.  She's had to speak in her own voice, and wow, is she good in her own voice. She's got no reason to be careful, that's the great thing about being the underdog.  I just love to see her speaking, she keeps winning new admirers.  Barack isn't flexible, he spoke about the empathy deficit but he lacks real empathy. He's better than Kerry, but they're quite similar overall.  Remember how Kerry went wind surfing? Remember how he shut out Hillary from a role in the last convention?  And picked his own wife to give a long and boring and incredibly self-loving speech?  He kept his principles and he lost.  His principles were icky.  

by anna shane 2008-05-22 03:22PM | 0 recs
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What a hateful and untruthful diary...

I think I'll print it out and use it as toilet paper next time I take a shit.

by chicagovigilante 2008-05-22 11:17AM | 0 recs
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Re: What a hateful and untruthful diary...

That would be disrespectful to shit.  I urge you to reconsider.

by fogiv 2008-05-22 11:25AM | 0 recs
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Your shit is better than that!

Please, we beg you to reconsider.

by McNasty 2008-05-22 11:44AM | 0 recs
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Clinton isn't losing because she is a woman

and she wasn't duped or played or victimized. Clinton is losing because she ran a lousy campaign.  All of these other notions, that Clinton's supporters are flinging about are sexist. These are misogynistic stereotypes that you self-described feminists are propagating. As a woman, I am deeply offended by Clinton and her supporters. And a crap diary like this is on the rec list... You have no idea the harm you are doing, do you?

by grasshopper 2008-05-22 11:27AM | 0 recs
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Re: Clinton isn't losing because she is a woman?

Then as an Obama supporter, and assuming there was little or no sexism involved in the campaign, which appears to be your position, what woman do you see on the horizon that the Democrats might nominate for president some other time?

Digby asked this question in an interesting post today, "If Not Clinton, Then Who?"

by LIsoundview 2008-05-22 11:46AM | 0 recs
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Re: Clinton isn't losing because she is a woman?

Not all states had a Michigan style "Hillary: yes, or no?" election.  And she won that one.

But on my ballot, there were a bunch of people I could choose from.  So I did.

by Jess81 2008-05-22 12:07PM | 0 recs
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Re: Clinton isn't losing because she is a woman?

I supported Carol Moseley-Braun's early run in 2003 and if she were to make a go of it again, I would support her again. Barbara Boxer is more qualified than Clinton. In the future I would look to Kathleen Sibelius, Maria Cantwell, Janet Napolitano, Christine Gregoire... these are just top of mind and there are more.

by grasshopper 2008-05-22 12:12PM | 0 recs
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Re: Clinton isn't losing because she is a woman?

Also Kamala Harris has a bright future ahead of her.

by grasshopper 2008-05-22 12:38PM | 0 recs
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Re: Clinton isn't losing because she is a woman?

Obama was not on the horizon nationally until the 2004 convention.   Not sure what significance it is if you cannot come up with a name.  But the implication that excellent female candidates do not exist "if not Clinton" is rather insulting.   And we are comming out of a war in Iraq where women have been as in danger, and in combat as men.  2006 Congressional races had more female veterans running than any other time in history.  Female combat veterans will take away one of the big strengths men run on.

by Tumult 2008-05-22 12:36PM | 0 recs
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Is this Hillaryis44

Maybe it's NoQuarter.  I appear to be lost because I'm looking at this diary on what by any standards would be referred to as a wreck list.

by shalca 2008-05-22 11:30AM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

If it's possible, each of these diaries makes less and less sense.

The diarist is clearly spinning out of control with regards to talking points. Just stringing together whatever can be found lying around with no organizing principle or coherent argument.

A more incisive person might say that reflects the campaign the diary attempts to support.

by DeskHack 2008-05-22 11:37AM | 0 recs
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Here's a hanky, little linfar.

I have been figuratively spat on by Obama boyz this year...

I feel your pain.  It tickles.

by McNasty 2008-05-22 11:42AM | 0 recs
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Re: Here's a hanky, little linfar.

It smells like... puppies!

by TL 2008-05-22 11:52AM | 0 recs
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Re: Here's a hanky, little linfar.

When women complain that being faced with a tough argument is like getting spat on, well, that suggests that maybe they are too frail for the political realm, just as the anti-suffragists argued.

by politicsmatters 2008-05-22 11:56AM | 0 recs
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Re: Here's a hanky, little linfar.

It's just like Zimbabwe!  

by kellogg 2008-05-22 12:40PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

This is a disgusting, trashy piece of slanderous writing that has no place at a leading progressive blog.

by wasder 2008-05-22 12:04PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Your caps lock is broken..

by kasjogren 2008-05-22 12:24PM | 0 recs
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major LOLSIG mojo n/t

by kellogg 2008-05-22 12:40PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Just wondering...linfer
why don't your friends who magically appear to rec your stuff ever post here?...
This is why alegre and linfer continue to have their insight on the rec list...
Yet...they were/are the one's always griping about folks coming here from Kos...

People visit here thinking MyDD is a progressive place and find topics like this "highly rec'd"?
They move right along...

"He has alrady used massive, nationwide voter intimidation to further his ends." You need to refold your tinfoil hat..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBbAZVw3_ 7A

by nogo postal 2008-05-22 12:29PM | 0 recs
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Hillary didn't play the race card

"as far as I know."  

*wink*

by kellogg 2008-05-22 12:39PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

This diary is mesmerizing, congratulations, what a cunning argument you've built here. Wow.

Just like the good people of Michigan, this diarist GETS IT.

Noone in Michigan voted for Obama. He got ZERO VOTES! (note: This fact as stated is intended to resemble the facts as presented in this diary.)

Clinton deserves ALL of the Michigan delegates. To suggest any compromise or self serving intent is sexist AND racist. (note: This opinion as stated is intended to resemble the opinions as presented in this diary).

(note:  Good people of Michigan, offense was not intended.)

by Iago 2008-05-22 12:58PM | 0 recs
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This diary...

....is a large pile of steaming poo.

by hootie4170 2008-05-22 01:09PM | 0 recs
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This diary IS a Fun House

Victim card?  Check!
Wild exaggerations?  Check!
Identity politics?  Double-check!
Histrionics?  Check!
Excessive use of the exclamation point!  YEs!  (and I do note the irony of my post!  check!).
Irony about HRC being 'above ground' 'hero' 'trailblazer' while BO is NONE of those things?  Double-check!

This is a parody, isn't it?  

I truly love these diaries because they are so over the top that is reminds me of Jon Lovitz's character on SNL where he was an 1890's 'Actor!'.

Too funny.  

Now, that said, I would LOVE to have Linfar on BO's side this November and I truly do fear her and her minions and what they MIGHT do should HRC not get the nomination.

by yankeeinmemphis 2008-05-22 01:24PM | 0 recs
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Re: This diary IS a Fun House

Thanks yankeeinMemphis for the acknowledgement.

by linfar 2008-05-22 01:34PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

The allegation that Hillary and I played the race card was a cold blooded, calculated, manipulated and revolting strategy!

When I read Bill Clinton's Jesse Jackson comment in SC, I immediately came to the conclusion that he was trying to pigeonhole Obama as the "black candidate" in an effort to stain his electability and stoke any racial fears people might have.

I didn't need an accusation or any sort of media to pull that one off; he managed it all on his own. By contrast, they have drawn several other accusations, and most I have discarded as inaccurate or at least questionable, but the SC/JJ comment was unquestionably Bill playing the race card.

by mattw 2008-05-22 01:28PM | 0 recs
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I dont think Bill C. thought that out to well but with his record toward AA's he felt safe.
  On the other hand Obama has so many problems and he is the only one to blame for them. I think it will get worse for Obama, not better and calling people names and saying the same old things about the Clintons isnt going to work because we now are getting to know Obama , his wife and his associates.
  Hopefully not to late.
Melk TX
by mk5112 TX 2008-05-22 01:51PM | 0 recs
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Hiss!  BOO!

This diary is exactly what Todd was talking about NOT being representative of what MyDD should be about!

by AK Democrat 2008-05-22 02:27PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

I love this diary, man.

And I love you all.

And it's a beautiful world we live in, a sweet romantic place.

by Black Anus 2008-05-22 03:36PM | 0 recs
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So being educated is dumb

And being uneducated is smart.

Ok, so I guess with your PhD you're one of the really dumb ones.....

I have to say, playing the victim doesn't quite suit you--all those horrible typos.

I don't even know what boyz means.  Is that the equivalent to a "ho".  Are you performing reverse sexism?

Now you can't be that logically inconsistent can you?

Why don't you go blog this over at Huffington Post where Paul Bucha can laugh at you for making fun of his Medal of Honor and his Stanford education...

by Regenman 2008-05-22 03:36PM | 0 recs
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Boyz, yes, it's some sort of lame reverse sexism.
Not to mention the fact that it strips all the women who supported Obama of their female status.

Traitors that they are, they deserve all sorts of treatment of course.

by Archer2 2008-05-22 04:00PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Obama is where he is because of his February winning streak.  A winning streak generated by trumped up charges of racism against the Clintons.

I won't let them sweep that under the rug.  Therefore, I'm recommending your diary.

by bellarose 2008-05-22 04:01PM | 0 recs
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boyz..is a common term at a place noquarter..
many of the people who rec linfer come from there
(I did a little checking today..)
without their support linfer might get 5-6 rec's
For what ever reason it appears it is allowed to have MyDD become a proxy for noquarter.
 
by nogo postal 2008-05-22 04:28PM | 0 recs
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Re: "LOST IN A FUN HOUSE"

Linfar. "Lost in a fun house." I hope someday Linfar is found.

by catilinus 2008-05-22 04:55PM | 0 recs
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My sig is just so handy today. Wow, just wow at this garbage of a diary by a known racist.

by sweet potato pie 2008-05-22 05:21PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, Bill said Fun House and I've been thinking Alice in Wonderland! Great diary, Lin. Again, you've struck gold. The truth shall shine upon us all! Thank you!!!

by susanclare 2008-05-23 07:23AM | 0 recs
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Shame Rec'd

Lin, you only hurt Clinton and help Obama with these diaries.  Truly.  Voters and SDs are looking for reasons to support Clinton as the viability of her candidacy wanes.  They won't find any in these screeds--they'll find reasons to go with the likely nominee.

Shame rec'd, because I believe that shining a light on this kind of desperate rhetoric is better than hiding it.

by Koan 2008-05-23 11:55AM | 0 recs
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Race Man

How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton.

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

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by adrienne4dean 2008-05-23 06:50PM | 0 recs

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