Peter Daou's Challenge[Updated With Live Links]

I was blown out when I read this. What I especially liked is that Peter Daou has done his homework. The assault and negative campaigning against Hillary by the Obama campaign is called out forcefully and compellingly. He marshalls fact after fact.It also throws down the gauntlet. Here is our job.

Peter Daou, Hillary's Internet director, challenges bloggers:

I'm writing this to a group of bloggers. Some of you are Hillary supporters, some not, some neutral.

I want to address a pervasive misconception, namely, that Senator Obama hasn't run a negative campaign against Hillary. I think it's time to put that misconception to rest.

The truth is that for months, the Obama campaign has been attacking Hillary, impugning her character and calling into question her lifetime of public service. And now the Chicago Tribune reports that Senator Obama is preparing a "full assault" on her "over ethics and transparency." To those who contend that Senator Obama is the clear frontrunner, I ask, to what end this "full assault" on Hillary?

On CNN last Tuesday, Senator Obama said, "Well, look, Wolf, I think if you watch how we have conducted our campaign, we've been very measured in terms of how we talk about Senator Clinton. ... I have been careful to say, that I think that Senator Clinton is a capable person and that should she win the nomination, obviously, I would support her. You know, I'm not sure that we have been getting that same approach from the Clinton campaign."

The facts of this election stand in stark contrast to that statement. Senator Obama and his senior campaign officials have engaged in a systematic effort to question Hillary's integrity, credibility, and character. They have portrayed her as someone who would put her personal gain ahead of the lives of our troops, someone who would say or do anything to win an election, someone who is dishonest, divisive and disingenuous. They have adopted shop-worn anti-Clinton talking points, dusted them off and unleashed a torrent of unfounded character attacks against her. Among other things, they have described Hillary - and her campaign - as:

"Disingenuous"

"Too polarizing to win"

'Divisive'

"Untruthful"

"Dishonest"

'Calculating'

"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"

"Attempting to deceive the American people"

"One of the most secretive politicians in America"

"Literally willing to do anything to win"

"Playing politics with war"

To top it off, they have blanketed big states with false radio ads and negative mailers -- ads and mailers that experts have debunked time and time again. They have distributed health care brochures using Republican framing. They have tried to draw a nexus between Hillary's votes and the death of her friend Benazir Bhutto. And one of Senator Obama's top advisers (who has since left the campaign) recently called Hillary "a monster."

This "full assault" on Hillary comes from the very top of the Obama campaign, not surrogates and supporters.

This "full assault" is being directed at someone I personally know to be a thoughtful, brilliant, principled, compassionate person, someone the world knows as a good Democrat, a trailblazer, a lifelong champion for children and families, a respected former first lady, a senator, a presidential candidate.

This "full assault" is targeting a staff of hundreds of hard-working, dedicated Democrats, who I've had the privilege of working with for the past 14 months.

This is a hard-fought campaign - as it should be. Like any candidate for elected office, Hillary has made clear why she thinks she would do a better job than her opponent. She has laid out comprehensive policy proposals, put forth her 35-year record of accomplishment, and spent countless days introducing herself to voters across the country. She has said that she is far better prepared to take on John McCain on national security. She has contended that she is the candidate with the experience to confront the GOP attack machine. She has argued that she is more electable. She has said that Senator Obama's words are not matched by actions. And she has challenged him to live up to core Democratic values and goals such as universal health care.

I recall indignation online at the suggestion that Senator Obama has not made the case that he is ready to be Commander in Chief -- the concern being that this would be terribly detrimental to him in a general election. As I blogged recently, and as many of you know, I spent 2004 in the Kerry-Edwards war room, and I understand full well that national security will be front and center in the general election. It's not a matter of choice. And the reality is that the public views Hillary as better prepared to take on Senator McCain when it comes to national security. Democrats must factor that in as they nominate a candidate to win in November.

If that suggestion is potentially harmful to Senator Obama in a general election, how exactly do the personal attacks against Hillary (which echo and reinforce rightwing talking points) help her in the event she wins the nomination? I recall no similar outrage at those harsh attacks on her character, many of which were directed at her when she was the clear frontrunner and seen as the likely nominee.

Both candidates are running a vigorous campaign. Both have had surrogates or supporters who have crossed the line and made offensive statements that they rejected. And these offensive statements are an unfortunate part of a long and close campaign. Those who make a habit of automatically assuming and ascribing to only one candidate the worst motives, ignoring more reasonable and benign explanations, who substitute conjecture for fact and then use those assumed `facts' as a foundation on which to pile more conjecture about only one candidate's intentions, who express anger at negative campaigning and perceived dirty tricks but focus on only one candidate's words and actions, risk losing credibility. And those who conclude from that one-sided reasoning that Hillary ought to stop seeking victory, should ask themselves if quitting in the middle of a hard-fought - and winnable - contest is a desirable attribute in a future president.

Hillary has rightfully stated that as Democrats we should be proud of our field of candidates. And it is truly inspiring to see the level of enthusiasm among voters this cycle. We should encourage as many people as possible to become part of this process and to forcefully advocate for their candidate of choice. But there is a sharp line between supporting a candidate (and excusing their faults, which all supporters do to some degree) and conducting a "full assault" on an opponent's integrity and character. The Obama campaign's unabashed attacks on Hillary's honesty and trustworthiness should give every Democrat pause.

We are all entitled to support and oppose whomever we choose, but I challenge my online friends to call this "full assault" on Hillary's character for what it is.

Update [2008-3-16 20:37:28 by linfar]: To include hyperlinks to Team Obama's character attacks on Hillary.

Tags: 2008, Barack Obama, Election, full assault, Hillary Clinton, netroots, Peter Daou, President Primary (all tags)

Comments

130 Comments

Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

I think has name is Peter Daou.

by animated 2008-03-16 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

As an Edwards Democrat, I concluded Obama conducted the most deceptive and divisive campaign.

by annefrank 2008-03-16 02:56PM | 0 recs
Same here.

Same here.  And I recall there was an exit poll on March 4 that asked voters which candidate they thought made unfair attacks on the other.  (If I am paraphrasing incorrectly, please correct me with the actual wording, but I think this is a fair rendering.)  Even in Texas and Ohio, which Hillary WON, she was perceived by a majority as having been the most unfair in her attacks.  This from people who voted for her!

by Dumbo 2008-03-17 02:34AM | 0 recs
Oops, correction.

I concluded early on that Hillary was the more negative.  Read your post wrong above.

by Dumbo 2008-03-17 02:36AM | 0 recs
by del 2008-03-17 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

and yet, according to your signature line, he would be an acceptable Vice Presidential candidate for you?

I think there has been division on both sides...  

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-18 06:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge
And today - Kos is blaming Hillary for Obama's decline in the polls.
Wright or Rezko??  NO!
It was Hillary.
Just Hillary.
by annefrank 2008-03-17 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

Of course they blame Hillary.  She's responsible for everything under the sun, including the heartbreak of psoriasis according to the kos krowd.

By the way, I have to tell you I like your online personality much more than I ever liked that other 'annefrank' over at dko$. Folk$ in the know under$tand thi$, I am $ure.

Thanks for making me feel much better about a historically respected name; the other poster had maligned that image for me, and others as well.

by emsprater 2008-03-18 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

tHE FIRST DAY OF THE REAL CAMPAIGN rOBERT gIBBS AND A SURRGATE SAID THE cLITONS WERE LIARS AND HAD "SOLD OT THE  LINCOLN BEDROOM".  

aND ITS BEEN DOWNHILL SINCE THEN.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-16 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

what I do know came from my mom, Mrs. O'Toole.

She was born and came here in steerage from Galway Bay.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-16 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daio's Challenge

my mom passed away a few years ago..

but her aunties spoke and she spoke it ALL the time  when was little.

My mom believed as a Irish Nationalist, that if you lost your language, you lost your culture.

Her whole family were heavily involved in the Irish Revolution. Big time. After the end of the first National Govt, thats how they all ended up here. Her uncles were wanted men.

Big old IRA, though never pro the modern usage of violence of the 70s version.  I was raised to never admire or mythologize that.

And boy, did she love Hillary. When she was ill, I got her a thick blue robe from air Force One with the crest from a friend who worked at the White House. She loved it.

She also loved how it was an American Irish President who brought peace to her waring island home.

OK.

Being an Irish guy who loves his mum, Im gonna go have a whiskey and a cry now.

May the blessing of St. Patrick's Day be upon you.

Beannachtaí na Féile Pádraig oraibh!

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-16 03:00PM | 0 recs
Beautiful story! n/t

by DemAC 2008-03-16 04:54PM | 0 recs
Yep

Obama surrogate Geffen called the Clintons liars, Obama was asked to make a comment about that, he refused to.

Maybe he thinks McCain is more honest?

by Edgar08 2008-03-16 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Yep

Well, when a lot of people think of the Clintons, this comes to mind -

"I did not have sex with that woman, Miss Lewinsky"

Whether it's fair or not, a lot of folks don't think Clinton is trustworthy.  

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 03:49PM | 0 recs
Is McCain

More trustworthy?

by Edgar08 2008-03-16 03:52PM | 0 recs
to say nothing of the fact that

Hillary wasn't the one that lied about Lewinsky.  That would have been Bill.  But David Geffin definitely accused both Clintons of being facile liars.

by dbrown04 2008-03-16 06:23PM | 0 recs
Re: to say nothing of the fact that

Did you hear Clinton on Morning Edition (public radio) the other day talking about Michigan?  She said the election was fair even though Obama wasn't on a ballot.

One friend, who had been ambivalent, told me me that because of that, she now supports Obama and she called Clinton a sociopath.

She also recommended that a read a book called The Sociopath Next Door.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 06:59PM | 0 recs
I'm not going to try to defend the way

Clinton's campaign handled Michigan, and Florida for that matter.  This is one case where I think she's shot herself in the foot.  But its not a lie.  And it isn't really dumber than the Obama campaign's position on Florida.  And it certainly isn't any more dishonest than Obama's claims concerning his knowledge of his minister's views.

Obama and Clinton have been campaigning for 15 months now and the last couple of months have been extraordinarily grueling.  If one or the other of them says something that doesn't appear to be well thought out from time to time, I'm not going to throw them to the wolves.

Hillary has a long history of good works.  There is a wonderful story in this very diary of how she helped raise money for the hospital that was caring for David Axelrod's daughter.

You may want to encourage your friend to find a more substantial basis for making such an important decision.  Playing Dr. Phil is no way to choose a President.

by dbrown04 2008-03-16 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: to say nothing of the fact that

the election was fair, b/c Obama CHOSE to take his name off of the ballot and then spend resources on ad's encouraging voters to vote for Uncommitted.

by TxDem08 2008-03-17 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

It think its obvious to anyone with a brain that the Obama campaign has been run from WITHIN the DNC party itself witn the main goal to destroy the Clinton's.  Obama is the means to an end .. he will be on the receiving end some time very soon.

Anyone who has followed his campaign and reads a headline can see that anything to do with Hillary is negative and anything to do with Obama is positive.

by dot48 2008-03-16 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

First of all, excellent diary and I wholeheartedly approve and support.

Second, in referene to dot48's post...right on the money with your comment..it is more obvious now how the DNC is behind this guy, Pelosi, Dean etc.  ...and why is that, they are using this guy to their advantage..he will be the instrument to accomplish what they want done....and as Obama says all the time...he is the one that is now being bamboozled..
As an after thought, they know they can't run ruff shod over Hillary, thus the negative press all the time.  
Like I say all the time..."Hillary, we have your back"

by Patriot2008 2008-03-16 03:21PM | 0 recs
Yes

The Democratic establishment - the ones who gave Clinton a 100+ superdelegate lead before voting even began - have been secretly allied with Barack Obama the WHOLE TIME.

by jaiwithani 2008-03-16 10:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

His credibility is not high among Obama supporters. I don't know what the point is with these broad generalizations anyway.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Who cares? Campaigns are always a mixture of positive and negative.

Saying that Obama's has some negative elements is like saying that most people like ice cream.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Obama and every candidate makes criticisms and draws contrasts. He never said he didn't.   What a straw man.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

No, that's not really true.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 06:59PM | 0 recs
he was ready on day one?

that Novak article that wrongly claimed a leak from her campaign that she was about to go negative, he was so outraged, but it wasn't true. She mentioned the truth, he has no foreign policy experience and he's retorts that her experience is being married. He spins her in any which way, claims to be her victim and then share his outrage. He says he shares hope, but from my vantage points seems more like outrage. He's good at sharing outrage. It appeals to misogynists and Hillary haters.  He's not running a very bright campaign, with this he had to wrap it  up before it got obviously old.  Searching out the dumb Gerry remark no one heard about and holding it until right before a primary and then playing the victim over it really exposed him.  

by anna shane 2008-03-16 02:26PM | 0 recs
Re: he was ready on day one?

Is there any truth to Obama followers claims that Hillary was responsible for the Wright tape?

If Obama wins the nomination, I just wonder if his supporters will still be blaming the Clintons for every GOP attack against Obama.

by annefrank 2008-03-16 04:37PM | 0 recs
it's obviously true

something we can all see, even Obama supporters, some of whom probably think she deserves it for being uppity and some of whom want him to win and like that he can play the media so effectively. Admit it, you see it too, but you like what you see?  

by anna shane 2008-03-16 02:29PM | 0 recs
One issue

I'm not going to go through the entire post to try and refute every charge - that is for people who are much better writers than I could ever hope to be.

But I would point to the idea that 1) Obama had not passed the mythical "commander in chief" threshold, but for some reason would apparently be considered for VP in a Clinton presidency. That my friends, is disingenuous.

by highgrade 2008-03-16 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: One issue

Of course it is.  That's a good argument to make in response.

But the question on the table is whether it is a horrible, disgusting attack, unprecedented in the history of primary politics, as I believe it was painted in some quarters.  Not whether it was merely disingenuous.

by Steve M 2008-03-16 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: One issue

which quarters are you talking about?

by marcotom 2008-03-16 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: One issue

Another argument that no one made.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: One issue

That comment happened in last 30 days. Obama has been running the character assasination since Iowa.

I dont see anything wrong in what each side is doing because that is politics.

But dont prove yourself to be a hypocrite by claiming oh we dont run sleazy negative campaign and whine that other side does.

by Sandeep 2008-03-16 07:00PM | 0 recs
Re: One issue

Actually, Obama has been running his negative, sexist campaign for more than a year.
http://www.attacktimeline.com/

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

by Caro 2008-03-17 10:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I've got even less respect for Dauo than I do Taylor Marsh.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-16 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I take that as the best compliment I could ever get from the likes of them.

by Walt Starr 2008-03-16 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Why is the respect not there? Because someone highlights Obama's hypocrisy?

by Sandeep 2008-03-16 07:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I wish there were an InTrade market for the respect of people on the Internet, that we could trade shares on.  Might be worth something, then..

by daria g 2008-03-16 10:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

We hear you Peter and we're on board.  

by Tolstoy 2008-03-16 02:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I'm pretty sanguine about the fact that politics is politics.  I wish everyone would accept this, and drop the "holier than thou" narrative that Obama has tried to take the high road all along, while that awful Hillary has been running the gutter campaign to end all gutter campaigns.  In fact, way back in Iowa, it was the other candidates who mounted an all-out attack on Hillary's integrity while she focused on staying positive and emphasizing how the overriding goal was to beat the Republicans in November.

But sometimes, even though politics is politics, there are things that you just can't quite get past.  Here is one of them:

Today, as Axelrod basks in his profession's highest glory -- shaping a historical presidential campaign -- he is experiencing one of its nastiest turns: in a tiny and ideologically promiscuous world, you often need to go to war with your friends. (If Obama hadn't run, Axelrod says, he would have sat out this presidential race, and he says he told all of his other former clients that early on; he hasn't had much interaction with them since.) There is Dodd, and there is Edwards, but perhaps most poignantly, there is Hillary Clinton. It's a matter of epilepsy. David and Susan Axelrod have three children in their late teens and early 20s. Their eldest, Lauren, has developmental disabilities associated with chronic epileptic seizures and now lives in a group home in Chicago. But for years her illness required enough of her parents' time that it kept Susan Axelrod out of the work force and kept David from moving to Little Rock during the 1992 presidential campaign. Susan and two other mothers of children with epilepsy started a foundation, Citizens United for Research in Epilepsy (CURE), which Susan runs, to promote research and raise funds for a cure. Because of David's political work, they have had political celebrities do fund-raisers: Bill Clinton, Tim Russert, Obama. But few have done as much for the foundation as Hillary Clinton.

It was January 1999, President Clinton's impeachment trial was just beginning in the Senate and Hillary Clinton was scheduled to speak at the foundation's fund-raiser in Chicago. Despite all the fuss back in Washington, Clinton kept the appointment. She spent hours that day in the epilepsy ward at Rush Presbyterian hospital, visiting children hooked up to machines by electrodes so that doctors might diagram their seizure activity and decide which portion of the brain to remove. At the hospital, a local reporter pressed her about the trial in Washington, asked her about that woman. At the organization's reception at the Drake Hotel that evening, Clinton stood backstage looking over her remarks, figuring out where to insert anecdotes about the kids. "She couldn't stop talking about what she had seen," Susan Axelrod recalled. Later, at Hillary Clinton's behest, the National Institutes of Health convened a conference on finding a cure for epilepsy. Susan Axelrod told me it was "one of the most important things anyone has done for epilepsy." And this is how politics works: David Axelrod is now dedicated to derailing this woman's career.

I just can't manage to get my head around the fact that, after all Hillary Clinton has done for David Axelrod's wife and daughter, Axelrod is now dedicated to portraying her as an unprincipled, dishonest, race-baiting bitch in order to win an election.  Oh well, I hope he gets a good job in the Obama administration.

by Steve M 2008-03-16 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Or maybe he hasn't been dedicated to portraying her as unprincipled, dishonest or race-baiting and that is simply the impression you get on MYDD and in the zeal to defend your candidate.

by shalca 2008-03-16 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Yes, of course.

The campaign theme that Hillary will "say anything and do anything" is just an invention of my own zeal.

The suggestion that there has been an "insidious pattern" of race-baiting from the Clinton campaign is just an invention of my own zeal.

That must be it.  Clearly, in reality he's run a high-minded campaign where none of this stuff happened.

by Steve M 2008-03-16 03:04PM | 0 recs
School Daze

The campaign theme that Hillary will "say anything and do anything" is just an invention of my own zeal.

Steve, how substantially more egregious is this than the theme that Obama is nothing but an orator with no gravitas, a starry-eyed kindergartner who dreams of being president but clearly doesn't have the Right Stuff to sit in the Oval Office?

by Rob in Vermont 2008-03-16 06:31PM | 0 recs
Re: School Daze

Rob, agreed that is negative. But to say with a straight face that Hillary has run a negative campaign and we havent, is hypocrisy. She started going negative now, he has been doing character assasination even before Iowa.

So much for a new kind of politics! If both agree they are running gutter politics, then we wont be having this discussion.

by Sandeep 2008-03-16 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: School Daze

If both agree they are running gutter politics, then we wont be having this discussion.

Well, yeah, we wouldn't be, because we'd be in living in a weird fantasy world where politicians say awful (albeit truthful) things about their own campaigns.  But here in the real world, each candidate, and each candidate's camp, claims to be on the side of the angels.

So what else is new?  I mean, isn't this a dog-bites-man story?  

by Rob in Vermont 2008-03-16 07:47PM | 0 recs
Re: School Daze

The question is not whether it is more or less egregious than some other narrative, but whether it exists as a narrative at all.

A commenter suggested that Axelrod had not been trying to portray Hillary as dishonest, and I felt I had to respond to that absurd statement.

by Steve M 2008-03-16 08:52PM | 0 recs
Re: School Daze

Yes, I guess my question to you was actually intended more in the context of the overall thrust of the diary rather than in the context of that particular comment.

by Rob in Vermont 2008-03-17 04:34AM | 0 recs
typical Obama supporter response

facts don't count for shit with you.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-16 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I am sure you are sincere in saying this.  

But you might find it interesting that polls show that you are in the distinct minority, even among Clinton supporters -- who hold that she has run more of an unfair campaign than Obama.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 03:25PM | 0 recs
blah blah blah
people believe what the media tells them. You know Obama has run a much worse campaign and you don't care.
Axelrod is a POS and he will lose, you can count on it.
by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-16 05:02PM | 0 recs
Good

Then you get the point of this diary.  Which is that those polls are total BS, and it's time that some people started speaking truth.

These are like those polls from Spring '03, remember? When everybody thought that Saddam and al Qaeda were buddies, that most of the 9/11 hi-jackers were from Iraq, that WMDs were found in Iraq?

by Trickster 2008-03-16 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

You lack morals based on your comments. Hope you are different in real life. If not, you are doomed for a painful life.

by Sandeep 2008-03-16 07:08PM | 0 recs
What a wonderful annecdote

I just don't understand why stories like this are not pushed to the fore.  Its the part of the Clinton campaign I don't really get. Its like the people who make the strategy don't even know who she is and what she has accomplished.

by dbrown04 2008-03-16 06:33PM | 0 recs
I agree

Even if the Clinton campaign won't put these kinds of stories out doesn't mean her supporters can't.

by dbrown04 2008-03-16 06:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Clinton supporters do seem very angry these days.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 02:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

   They're having real problems trying to find a scapegoat.

by cilerder86 2008-03-16 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Enough with being behind in pledged delegates by 160!!  

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Stop being so negative :)

Stating that Clinton is behind by 160 points is partisanship, divisiveness, obamabotic, cultist, and kool aid drinking.

Peter didn't send you the memo on that one? :)

by bigdavefromqueens 2008-03-16 04:26PM | 0 recs
delegates do not matter

now. Try not to blow an artery when the Super Ds chose Hillary because she can win.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-16 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I think both campaigns are guilty of these "character" attacks.  

by venavena 2008-03-16 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

OK< seriously, where did anyone in the Obama campaign or where did Obama himself ever call Bill Clinton a racist?

by shalca 2008-03-16 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

It was certainly implied when the Obama campaign had the audacity to type a 4 page memo claiming that statements that were made by the Clintons and clearly not racist, were degrading to black people. You should not ask that question because it is clear that he has succeeded.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-16 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

But neither Obama nor anyone in his campaign said the Clintons were racist.  So please stop repeating this untruth.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

It is all but untruth. Don't pretend that the Clinton's being racist has not even been implied in the Obama Campaign. That's not true. The way the Obama Campaign has used race, is in my opinion, disturbing. If you don't believe me look:

FAIRY TALE

Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A "Fairy Tale"
And Said "It's An Insult... As An African-American" And That His Tone And
Words Are "Very Depressing." Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a "fairy tale" and said "I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
... I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator." [Politico, 1/8/08]

Everything is here:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html?l oad=1&page=4

So I no longer want it to be said that the Obama Campaign has never played the race card. The evidence is present.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-16 03:43PM | 0 recs
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And despite what can be seen as an admittedly pro-Obama stance by Brazile, she has neither officially nor unofficially endorsed Senator Obama, nor is she in anyway part of his campaign.  How is he or his campaign responsible for what she said?  If that's the case, then I could attribute blame to the Clinton campaign for any supporter who denigrates me for the color of my skin.  It's a bad argument.

by shalca 2008-03-16 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Did you click the link? If you did, you would have discovered that her comments were on an Obama Memo. That is, they used her remarks to their advantage.

And in regards to Brazile endorsing Obama; she really can't do that, as she is a head of the DNC and has to stay neutral.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-16 03:53PM | 0 recs
I'm pretty sure I've heard Donna Brazille endorse

Obama.  It was on On Point radio awhile back.  Maybe I'm wrong, but ....

by dbrown04 2008-03-16 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

If you believe Donna Brazile is not an Obama zealot, you may not be watching enough tv.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-16 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

The race-baiting campaign began right after the NH primary was called for Hillary. Immediately, on all the networks, the Bradley effect talking point was launched -- all empirical evidence to the contrary.  

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-16 08:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Jesse Jackson Jr, Obama's campaign manager has 'dogwhistled' that the Clintons are 'racist' every chance he gets.

Each event in the MSM pointiong to 'racisim' by either Bill, Hillary's campaign or their supporters has been placed there by Obama camp operatives to 'get the word out'.

Ferraro was absolutely on target, she just stated the facts more forcefully than others and has now paid the price for it.  And, contrary to Obama's speechifying of today, there is NO comparison of Wright's hate speech and Ferraro's factual remarks.  It would be like equating McClurkin with Elton John.  Doesn't wash.

by emsprater 2008-03-18 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Hillary has never said he doesn't have character, but she's made "character" attacks.  I don't really think of them as character attacks, I think of them more as political attacks.  Politics to me is a game of character assassination and whoever makes out alive is the winner.  That's the name of the game.

by venavena 2008-03-16 03:20PM | 0 recs
nope

you think wrong.  I have attacked his character because I think it's lousy and weak.  But Hillary has not attacked his character at all.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-16 05:05PM | 0 recs
Re: nope

I've got a bridge to sell ya.

by venavena 2008-03-16 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Great work.

by Athena2 2008-03-16 02:57PM | 0 recs
Ready for Republican Attacks?

I thought one of the central rationales for Hillary Clinton's candidacy was that she would be ready to handle the inevitable Republican attacks on "day one."

So if Peter Daou is now complaining about the Obama campaign's supposed attacks, what does that say about Clinton's ability to do battle against Republicans in the general election? Is there any logic here, or is the Clinton campaign trying to have it both ways? Shouldn't the Democratic nomination process be a contest to identify candidates who are politically tough enough to do battle against the opposition party?

by BBCWatcher 2008-03-16 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Ready for Republican Attacks?

BBC...you, as many, misunderstand the point here. Of course Hillary is ready to handle the Republican Attack Machine. No Problem there. But Obama supporters are always the ones whining that she "endorsed" McCain and stupid stuff like that, hurting Senator Obama against the GOP attack machine should he become the nominee.

Yet he is preparing to do exactly what his supporters blame Hillary Clinton for doing.

JJust anpther example of his hypocrisies as the SELF-ANOINTED "Agent of Change"

Now, we haven't had to gear up for a CHARACTER ATTACK by Senator Obama and his surrogates, as we are all "Democrats", and believed we would not have to do this, but could argue the ISSUES instead.  But once again, Senator Obama, despite his statements that American's have more important things to think and talk about, will CONTINUE his smear campaign against Senator Clinton to deflect scrutiny of his racial intolerance, his dealings with a big-time Chicago CROOK and numerous other things that have been asked BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE about HIM.

Whether you care for Senator Clinton or not, her work as both a Senator and as the Former First Lady is on record and has both benefited and brought help to many Americans and people around the world. She has also been raked over the coals for things done well, things not done at all, and things that were done poorly and she has learned from her mistakes, and has the guts to say so. THE FIRST TIME.

SHE has nothing to do with many of the "smears" that the self-serving and arrogant Senator of Crook County will probably throw at her.

As an American, his tactics are patently offensive to me and EXTREMELY CONDESCENDING to a person who has more knowledge and ability in her little finger than he does in his big Chicago Mansion. His thuggery is and should be an affront to everyone. He cannot attack her on the ISSUES, because he doesn't KNOW the issues well enough to speak to each like Hillary can. So...he goes the route of a Slumlord.

So yes, Senator Clinton, and we, are ready to take on the ADVERTISED SMEAR CAMPAIGN Senator Obama is about to unleash, and perhaps we shall do exactly what his supporters did...which is diagrammed RIGHT HERE: http://husaria.wordpress.com/2008/03/14/ anti-obama-viral-email-project/

I have read many posts where people who claimed to be Independent "for years" registered with the Democratic Party to vote for Obama, but would never vote for Clinton. So...the newcomers...the Independents...just what IS your idea of "THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. We are not a far-left wing-nut group. We are not haters. We do not have OUR leaders threaten violence like Former Governor Wilder and Pastor Wright have.

I respect YOUR right to support whoever you want, but don't do it through OUR party, and come in an tear it apart "for a day"...as my bet is you will not be here if Obama doesn't win. Go start your own.

by Artiste 2008-03-16 04:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

jonathan singer should publish a link to daou's letter in breaking blue.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-16 03:06PM | 0 recs
Bloggers can't do much--

she really needs to get a coordinated set of surrogates and herself to confront his news conference.

And they need to remind everyone that he's going after her simply because facts about his own life have come out via ABC and FOX.

Why doesn't he concentrate on charges on himself, instead of trying to deflect?

I mean-------does he have something ELSE to hide?  

By the way, Chris Wallace on Fox just started an "Obama watch."  For over 700 days he's been welching on his promise to go on the show and answer questions.  Hilarious.

by chieflytrue 2008-03-16 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Bloggers can't do much--

That is pretty funny, considering that he was on Fox News on Friday, answering questions about the Wright matter.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 07:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge
Are you kidding? This must be your first election. Obama is supposed to be attacking her qualifications for the positions. Just as she's supposed to attack his. None of what you mentioned are unusual or wrong to attack. They're prefect, actually.
by Becky G 2008-03-16 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Absolutely.  This is normal politics.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

No, this is NOT normal politics.  Any criticism of Obama is answered with the charge of "Racism."  This has effectively stopped the kind of discussion and questions that should be taking place about his candidacy in any "normal" campaign.  And Obama and his handlers have relied on this tactic.    

by miriam 2008-03-16 09:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge
Finally!
I am frustrated by Obama because of his attacks on Hillary's CHARACTER. I bet I am not the only one in the party.
by praxis1 2008-03-16 03:11PM | 0 recs
Thank you linfar!

It's so nice to see reality based diaries, with a message supported by facts. (As opposed to the usual Hit & Hate pieced at the-orange-site-that-must-not-be-named.)

Rec'd indeed.

by DemAC 2008-03-16 03:11PM | 0 recs
I will GLADLY accept this challenge.
But first, I must write a furious diary about my decision for November.
by sricki 2008-03-16 03:14PM | 0 recs
Well Done!

Nice post.

by durendal 2008-03-16 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Excellent diary.

The Obama campaign has done a great job in getting the media to totally overlook the hypocrisy and shallowness of Obama's campaign.

Obama claims to be offering a new kind of politics, he isn't.

Hillary Clinton doesn't pretend to be something she's not. She's a tough, smart fighter who'll work day and night to solve America's problems. All Obama's ever done is make speeches that promise the earth, but what does he deliver?

by liberalj 2008-03-16 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Peter is spot on with this.  I wish we had a way to really push it to all of the media pundits.

by ericrsiny 2008-03-16 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

The pundits think this sort of thing is funny.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-16 07:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Oh wow! This really unsettled me. The commentary about what she did on behalf of his daughter. i guess if he can look at himself in the mirror each day, so can we. Oh wow!

by LadyEagle 2008-03-16 04:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

I can only speak for what I see. In Ohio; Hillary blurring the lines, encouraging Nafta protesters outside of Obama campaign office. Constant blurring of Clinton opinion re Obama and if he was a Muslim. Attacks that made my sister (volunteering for Obama after volunteering forKerry) flashback to 2004 when everything about Ohio was dirty ang gross. And by the way, many of Obamas church members from Chicago, so proud of him and of what the Lord had brought..their candidate AND the GOOD Senator for New York. It was Hillary that muddied this, not Obama. Her Lady Macbeth lust for power...her willingness to destroy for the sake of power, it was an eye-opener and disgusting.

by Debojg 2008-03-16 04:07PM | 0 recs
None of that happened

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-16 05:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Some of us have been saying the same thing. I wish Daou and others had made these points forcefully much earlier.

by rocky 2008-03-16 04:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Re Axelrod- it is not just Axelrod. Susan Rice and Deval patrick are two other beneficiaries of Clintons and are now trashing them with delight.

by rocky 2008-03-16 04:29PM | 0 recs
When did Deval Patrick trash the Clintons?

I live in MA and didn't see any news to that effect.  Got any links?

by TrueBlueMajority 2008-03-16 09:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Oh dear. The kitchen sink is about to come from Obama and the Clinton's are quaking in their boots. I thought they could take as good as they give?

Smackdown is gonna hurt.

by pitahole 2008-03-16 04:30PM | 0 recs
are you capable of paying attention

to facts at all?  did you read the diary?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-16 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: are you capable of paying attention

Huh? Facts? We all know that facts have no place here. We can't have facts cloud our judgement. Sheesh!

by pitahole 2008-03-16 05:46PM | 0 recs
They think it makes them seem witty and urbane.

by dbrown04 2008-03-16 06:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge[Updated With Live Links

The links make a great diary fantastic. Excellent job!

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-16 04:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

As my friend has been saying for weeks "it is not okay to challenge "the anointed one". Apparently any challenge is considered negative campaigning. As if we are not choosing the next president of these United States! Hello??!!!

by susanclare 2008-03-16 04:56PM | 0 recs
she said what she thought

why should she apologize?

by earthoat 2008-03-16 06:02PM | 0 recs
are you going to ask Wright to apologize?

by earthoat 2008-03-16 06:03PM | 0 recs
Uh

1) First all attacking Clinton on being too close to lobbyists is not a character attack. Okay?

3) Obviously the Obama campaign has been attacking Clinton. Duh.

2) It's transparently ridiculous to claim that the Clinton campaign has not also been attempting to attack Obama with whatever material is available. Which is perfectly fine, but I hope this memo and its manufactured outrage (because Peter Daou is a professional, not an idiot) doesn't actually sound convincing to anyone.

by Korha 2008-03-16 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh

the messiah took airplane trips with the lobbyists before announcing for the presidency. Read Lynn Sweet.

by rocky 2008-03-16 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Uh

This is relevant to my comment, how?

Attacking Obama for being too close to lobbyists is also not a character attack.

by Korha 2008-03-16 06:35PM | 0 recs
lots of bloggin to be done between now

and April 22 - the vitriol of the BO campaign is going to burn out like newspaper on fire but the HRC bloggers will burn like oak ....

by Molee 2008-03-16 06:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Command to his Army of Parrots

We must take everything this paid propagandist says with the utmost seriousness.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-16 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge

Barack Obama does not speak for me. He claims to be a different kind of politician but he is not. Pull back the curtain and you see that he is coldly calculating and deceptive. He is very good at it -but he does not offer a new kind of politics. From the lies and attacks he has put forth against Clinton from the begining of his campaign, to his shifting stance on Rezko and Wright, to his denials about NAFTA and even the cornerstone of his campaign- IRAQ, this man speaks with a silver forked tongue. He tells everyone one what they want to hear- in beautiful rhetorical language while doing exactly what he accuses others of behind the scenes. He won his first election to the state senate by having his opponent's name taken off the ballot by contesting the nominating signatures. He won his senate seat by revealling his opponents divorce records. All the while financed by the slum landlord Rezko- I guess that's his idea of community organizing.

Who the hell is he to point a finger at Hillary Clinton?  Where is the media? Why is SNL the ONLY outlet to see the transparent idiocy and comedy in this?  Why is the media treating Hillary Clinton the way they treated Al Gore in 2000 and WHY is everyone buying it? Once again, the experienced knowledgable, tested candidate is deemed too boring, too nerdy, too unlikable.

Hillary is not perfect. BUT, unlike Obama, Hillary does not pretend to be someone that she isn't. She doesn't put on airs as the new messiah. She doesn't say change and hope and hope for change. She specifically explains what she has done, what she will do and why.

The kids dont get it. Im not a believer, Im a thinking adult.

Hillary Clinton speaks for me.

by Ronald 2008-03-16 06:48PM | 0 recs
I just watched Meet the Press

Russert brought up Wright, the person representing Clinton said, "lets move on, lets talk about issues".

final comments.

the person representing Clinton, "the people care most about how we are going to solve these problems.  my candidate has the experience and plans to solve these issues."

the person representign Obama:  "hillary clinton is divisive."

by Edgar08 2008-03-16 07:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge[

I recall indignation online at the suggestion that Senator Obama has not made the case that he is ready to be Commander in Chief -- the concern being that this would be terribly detrimental to him in a general election. As I blogged recently, and as many of you know, I spent 2004 in the Kerry-Edwards war room, and I understand full well that national security will be front and center in the general election. It's not a matter of choice. And the reality is that the public views Hillary as better prepared to take on Senator McCain when it comes to national security. Democrats must factor that in as they nominate a candidate to win in November.

The folks in the war room, along with the Democrats who voted for Kerry in the primaries, seem to have concluded that the way to win the election was to portray our nominee as a tough soldier - ready for duty - rather than attack the very notion that Republicans in general and this administration in particular know what the hell they are doing when it comes to defense policy. So Kerry stood on the stage with Bush and politely called him "Sir" instead of calling him out as the worst excuse for a Commander-in-Chief in the history of our nation.  I truly hope we don't make the mistake of perpetuating the false view that Republicans/conservatives are savvy about all things military.  We should be extinguishing that false view.  Saying that McCain has "passed the Commander-in-Chief threshold", while suggesting Obama hasn't, is exactly the wrong thing to do.

If that suggestion is potentially harmful to Senator Obama in a general election, how exactly do the personal attacks against Hillary (which echo and reinforce rightwing talking points) help her in the event she wins the nomination?

If Daou is acknowledging that A is wrong and suggesting that B is equally wrong, then Daou should also acknowledge that two wrongs don't make a right.  But Daou is explicitly arguing in the preceding paragraph that A is not wrong - so his argument here seems especially meaningless.  

I recall no similar outrage at those harsh attacks on her character, many of which were directed at her when she was the clear frontrunner and seen as the likely nominee.

Does he really not recall outrage from Hillary's supporters when Edwards questioned whether she would be the best agent for progressive change given her relative receptiveness to corporate lobbyist funding, and when Obama and Edwards were "ganging up" on her in a debate because (in their view) some of her responses weren't straightforward?

by Rob in Vermont 2008-03-16 07:37PM | 0 recs
Give up, Hillary's not winning

Seriously... what the hell is the point of any of this?

by SleepingWillow 2008-03-16 08:10PM | 0 recs
Negative campaigning thru the blogs

I really believe there is a concerted effort to infiltrate the blogs and post anti - Hilllary negative campaign and drive Hillary's negatives up.

Pro-Hillary posts, comments and diaries usually are about how good Hillary is, how more electable etc---Obama diaries and comments in Dkos-- is more about Hillary hatred instead of how good Obama is.

by jasmine 2008-03-16 09:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Negative campaigning thru the blogs

It's been weeks since I've seen much in the way of an actual pro-Hillary comment, here or on dKos. Alegre's sort of halfway come close, except she's just cut-and-pasting HillaryClinton.com's take on things. I would love to read some positive comments from Hillary supporters.

But all I ever see is commentary about how Obama's not electable, has not met the CiC threshold, is an empty suit, is secretive, a liar, Rezko!, NAFTAgate!, Wright!

Over and over and over.

Tell me something Hillary Clinton will do for the country that Obama won't. Tell me why she's better, not why he's worse.

I'll give you a framework. It's my framework, and I'm an Obama supporter, so you're welcome to disagree, but let's try it anyway:

1) Do not tell me that Obama's not qualified. He's a stunningly bright person, and (humbly) I ain't no slouch myself. He's far more qualified, on paper, than Bill Clinton was. Don't make that argument and claim to be saying anything positive about Clinton. Doesn't wash. I already believe Hillary Clinton is experienced too, much more than Bill as well, so you don't need to convince me of that. I just don't see it as much of an argument either way; they're both plenty experienced enough and smart enough to do a great job.

2) Don't tell me how Obama's unelectable. The polls clearly say otherwise. Every credible survey has him willing at least as many electoral votes and running better in more states. Telling me why Clinton's electable is just great, except I know that. Most Obama supporters do. The same polls show Hillary getting enough votes to win. So they're both electable. I believe Obama has an edge because he runs well in far more states, but you may differ. That's great. Tell me why she'd do better, but don't do it from a framework of saying Obama can't win, because that's nonsense.

3) Don't tell me something negative about Obama, whether it's true or not (divisive, "race card", Rezko, NAFTAgate, Wright, Afghanistan-NATO subcomittee for starters) and tell me it's positive about Hillary Clinton. It's not. If those topic are the focus of the post, it's not something building up Hillary, it's something tearing down Obama, and pretty much over things that don't matter.

4) Don't assume that I believe everything that's said about Clinton. I'm not going to accept without argument that she has a better legislative record; I've looked at both and it seems to me that Obama has more substantive bills authored, co-authored, and co-sponsored which have passed and made it into law, and I know of more legislation commonly called Obama-<X> than Clinton-<X>. Things like that need proof. I'd actually love proof -- that is saying something positive about your candidate. Just don't tell me her Senate record is great because his is so light. It isn't, it's really quite good.

5) Don't assume I don't believe it either. I'm not anti-Clinton, I'm pro-Obama. I think he's a better choice for President. I sincerely wish she'd run in 2004; she'd have been President for 4 years, and Obama would be a solid candidate for 2014. I think she's got plenty of experience, if maybe not as much as she'd like me to believe (35 years? really?), I think she's got good policy positions, and so forth. I'm not poorly educated. I just think Obama's the person for the job.

6) Speaking of, don't assume I don't like Hillary Clinton because she's a she, or do like Obama because he's black. That really annoys me. I'd feel the same way about them as candidates if they were both white, both black, if he was Barackette Obama and she was Harold Clinton, or whatever.

That's my little framework. I honestly can't figure how any of it could be objectionable. I want to hear positive things about Hillary Clinton. I'd much more happily talk positive things about Obama right back.

I'm sick of all the Obama hatred, as much as you are of all the Clinton hatred.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-16 09:46PM | 0 recs
i don't see a rebuttal

"Disingenuous"
"Too polarizing to win"
'Divisive'
"Untruthful"
"Dishonest"
'Calculating'
"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"
"Attempting to deceive the American people"
"One of the most secretive politicians in America"
"Literally willing to do anything to win"
"Playing politics with war"

My question is this: which of these things is not true?  Are any of these things lies?

Are they lies in the same way that "Obama is weak on choice" is a lie?  Or in the same way that "[Obama] said in the 90s the good ideas came out from the Republicans" is a lie?  Or in the same way as "all Obama has is one speech from 2002" is a lie?

Did Obama make a false radio ad in the same way as "Senator Obama was telling one story to Ohio, his campaign was telling a very different story to Canada" is a false radio ad?

I acknowledge your list of "character attacks" and I have heard other HRC supporters complain about O characterizing HRC in this way, but I don't see a rebuttal.  I've looked on other pro-HRC sites but all I find is more evidence that the items on this list are true.  If you have evidence to the contrary I hope you will post it.

by TrueBlueMajority 2008-03-16 09:13PM | 0 recs
Oh, the irony!

This is really amazing. The Clinton side was jumping up and down just a few weeks ago talking about how weak Obama was, how he just couldn't take it, how he'd fold under attack. And they were talking about how tough, what a fighter, Clinton is. How tough her campaign is. How there's nothing the nasty Republicans could do to her, because she's been through it all.

And now they're playing the "poor us, we're the victims, big bad Obama is beating up on us" card???

Oh my, the hypocrisy. The nerve. And the irony.

Yes, Mr. Daou. Let's talk about [quote To top it off, they have blanketed big states with false radio ads and negative mailers -- ads and mailers that experts have debunked time and time again. They have distributed health care brochures using Republican framing. They have tried to draw a nexus between Hillary's votes and the death of her friend Benazir Bhutto. And one of Senator Obama's top advisers (who has since left the campaign) recently called Hillary "a monster."]

Let's talk about those false radio ads about NAFTAgate run by the Clinton campaign. Let's talk about those false mailers about Obama's stand on NAFTA and health care. Let's talk about that fear-mongering 3AM ad with Republican framing. Let's talk about Benazir Bhutto -- show me where the Obama campaign ever made such a claim. And let's not talk about "monsters" when a top Clinton surrogate essentially called Obama the "Affirmative Action candidate". Both resigned, and surely the tough, we-can-take-anything candidate could handle one little instance of name-calling.

Within the week the Clinton campaign attacked Obama for being "secretive" about Rezko, and called on him to release the documents. As it turns out, the documents had already been released and Obama's openness and honesty praised. If it's fine for the Clinton campaign to accuse Obama of secretiveness, why is it not fair for the Obama campaign to do the same in return?

Let's see:

[quote "Disingenuous"

"Too polarizing to win"

'Divisive'

"Untruthful"

"Dishonest"

'Calculating']

Every one of those has been said about Obama too, from the top levels of the Clinton campaign, again and again. Ready to dish it out, but unable to take it? The tough, battle-tested candidate? "Just Words" is all it takes for the things to go beyond the pale? Mere opinions?

The irony is astounding.

The Clinton campaign runs memos talking about how Obama is unelectable, how he doesn't care about Democrats, how he ignores the concern of women. Those are just fine, but let Obama suggest that it might be a wee bit suspicious that someone won't reveal their earmarks -- the actual content of their job, a job that the American people care for, and that's an unconscionable attack?

The mind absolutely boggles.

Clinton -- personally, and her campaign as well -- tell us that entire states "do not matter", that we're "irrelevent", that we are "unimportant". That's just fine, nothing wrong with that. But, my gosh, no one could ever consider her campaign to be divisive or calculating.

The Clinton campaign sends out mailings that insult the intelligence of anyone who even vaguely think about things, that hold that no one can win a state in the GE without winning it in a primary, that some states are "special" and only a person who wins them in the primary could possibly be elected. All fine and good. But claiming she would say anything to win? No, no, horrible.

The campaign of the tough fighter reduced to wailing about how they're the victims of the political neophyte lightweight who can't take a hit. The campaign who could take anything, and just wait until the right-wing 527's hit Obama because he'd be toast, screaming about the victimization they've suffered at the hands of what are ridiculously mild attacks.

Pity the poor Clinton campaign. They're a bunch of helpless victims. Big bad Obama is beating them up. You have to support them now, because they're the victims here. Really.

Pay no attention to the lies and attack ads about NAFTAgate, something that turns out to have had no substance.

Pay no attention to the blatant fear-mongering right-wing-echoing 3AM ad.

Pay no attention to attacks about "Just Words", "Change You Can Xerox", and "Celestial Choirs".

Pay no attention to comments about a magna cum laude Harvard Law grad, president of the law review, who taught Constitutional Law at U Chicago, with a highly distinguished resume, a United States Senator, being an "empty suit".

Pay no attention to statements that John McCain and Hillary Clinton are qualified, but not the Democratic front-runner.

Pay no attention to claims that he's just the "affirmative action candidate", that he's there because of all the wonderful special breaks that blacks get in America.

Pay no attention to our pandering for votes on right-wing talk radio, trying to knock out a Democratic candidate by appealing to Republicans who do not want any Democrat to win to vote for Clinton.

Pay no attention to our surrogates saying that "Latinos will never vote for blacks", surrogates we didn't even denounce.

Pay no attention to our ads claiming that Ann Richards, who was well-known for her sometimes contrarian views, would have endorsed Clinton, despite the objections of most her children to that view.

Pay no attention to the whining about being in the privileged position at the debates.

Pay no attention to the waffling non-denial denial of the claim that Obama's a Muslim, a question that should've been answered with a simple straightforward answer instead of a long complicated series of statements that can be parsed any way anyone wants to.

Pay no attention to our not releasing tax returns, claiming confidential agreements preclude all sorts of disclosures, refusing to release records, even though Obama's done all of those things, and then calling Obama secretive and untruthful.

Pay no attention to Clinton talking one day about how honored she is to be on the same stage with Obama, and what a good president he would be, and then, before any attacks came from the Obama campaign, turning around and immediately running the 3AM ad and talking about the CiC threshold.

Don't pay any attention to any of that, any of those false and ridiculous allegations, lies, and slanders, the two-faced-ness of it all. No, no. This is all one sided. It all started with Obama's campaign and we poor Clinton-campaign staffers are the victims.

Absolutely, mind-blowingly unbelievable.

I'm calling this "full assault" exactly what it is. Politics. Not even nasty politics; not one of the accusations or claims seems to be outside the scope of the facts. These aren't charges made in a vacuum, they're in response to specific actions taken by the Clinton campaign. The Clinton campaign has lied. Repeatedly. The Clinton campaign has run lying attack ads, fear-mongering attack ads. It has resorted to name-calling. It has distorted the facts, It has been divisive, calculating, and dishonest. It has been remarkably secretive.

This is not to say that the Obama campaign is pure as the driven snow. They've been fierce, pointed, snarky, and in some cases probably gone too far as well. In one of the few things Daou says that's actually reasonable, yes, surrogates of both campaigns have gone to far, and that's to their discredit. There are ample examples on both sides; for every Jesse Jackson Jr. you can bring up a Geraldine Ferraro, and so forth.

But the Clinton campaign, the tough, strong, vetted, experienced, vast-right-wing-conspiracy-tested, right-wing-media-hate-machine experienced, ready for absolutely anything they can dish out campaign, tough as nails, take no prisoners, we can take it and they'll wilt... that campaign is playing the victim card? Over a series of relatively mild political comments and positions, in which no one is accused of anything illegal and there are no smears not justified by their context (i.e. it's no smear to claim someone is dishonest when they are)?

Again... it absolutely boggles the mind.

Mind you, and I say this clearly and strongly: I am not blaming the Clinton campaign for every negative thing. I am not saying the Obama campaign is perfect. I am not saying that everything Clinton's campaign says is false or everything Obama's campaign is true. There's room for blame on both sides; both campaigns have gone negative, and we'll never settle the back-and-forth of who started what first. And it doesn't matter.

So, my challenge goes back to Peter Daou, who I know not at all, and's who's probably a really decent guy with a horrible job to do, due entirely to the fault of others in his campaign:

1) Don't insult the intelligence of everyone who reads your memo by pretending for one minute that your own campaign hasn't indulged in character attacks, dishonesty, fraudulent ads and mailings, and divisiveness.

2) Don't claim to be the experienced candidate who can take on anyone, anytime, then play the victim card over a bunch of very mild attacks. You work for the campaign of a woman who has literally been accused (falsely!) of murder! Who's been accused of massive ethics violations, illegal fundraising, misuse of government authority, and who knows what all else. Don't pretend for one minute that everything Obama's campaign has said up until now amounts to a fraction of the much more personal and virulent attacks that Hillary Clinton has undergone.

3) If your campaign is going to make statements about how the other guys haven't been exposed to the level and ferocity of attacks you have, and will be eaten up when the real guns come out, don't go whining off to your supporters about the nasty attacks you're taking less than a month later. Just a hint: it makes you look really, really bad.

4) Try to put out messages telling us something positive about your candidate. Once in a while. Please. Don't just put out a string of "Obama can't win" messages with the occasional "Obama's nasty" one thrown in. It doesn't make you look like you believe in your candidate very much.

I expect Peter Daou doesn't have the authority to do any of those things, and I doubt the people who do are at all interested in doing them. But I can ask.

And in the meantime, I can get a really, really good laugh from this. It's seldom that you see anyone looking quite this incompetent and ridiculous, doing something quite this ironic, especially at this level.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-16 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, the irony!

Every one of those has been said about Obama too, from the top levels of the Clinton campaign, again and again.

Evidence?  Links would be good.  Thanks.

by daria g 2008-03-16 10:33PM | 0 recs
Boo-Hoo

Hillary is in a tough spot.  She trails Obama in nearly every metric-- pledged delegates, states won, popular vote, fundraising totals.  She still has a slim lead in superdelegates, but that's because she had a whole bunch of them in her pocket before Obama even got into the race.

So, given her predicament, there is no way for her to close the gap by making nice and talking about her wonderful health care plan.  HRC and her advisors have no choice but to get down and dirty, but Obama has already proved he can take whatever they throw at him.  I expect her campaign to get so ugly in the coming weeks that the party elders will come to the realization that it's time to put the cows in the barn and wrap this thing up.

What a sad end for HRC; she began this contest with every conceivable advantage: $100 million in the bank, a famous husband who is the most popular and influential Democrat in the Party, a bunch of superdelegates and Party officials on board with her, and major name recognition after two terms as First Lady.  But she went out and hired a bunch of DLC stiffs to run her campaign, and look at the results-- Obama's populist campaign has outclassed her at every turn.  The only thing that has kept her in the race is that the media keeps moving the goalposts for Hillary; I can't recall how many 'firewall' states she has lost, yet we keep hearing that the next primary is the critical one for her.  If she was a loyal Democrat she would do the right thing for the Party and the nation and exit graciously right now.  I'm one of her NY state constituents, and I'm concerned that before this is over she will have diminished her ability to serve effectively as our Senator.

by global yokel 2008-03-16 09:42PM | 0 recs
Can't We Just Acknowledge...

that Obama has run a better campaign?  He's built a better ground game.  He's built a better internet infrastructure (Peter Daou, are you listening?) and built better message control.  

I am sorry but Hill's team sucks and no amount of protestation is going to change that.  

by zadura 2008-03-17 01:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge[Updated With Live Links

I know a deceptive campaign when I see.  I have loved Hillary for a long time...but her campaign has been ridiculous.  You can spin it however you want.  I know what I have seen.  I have worked on several campaigns.  You'll never convince me that Obama is running the dirty campaign.  It is just laughable.  I switched to him from Hillary a while ago, and I am so glad I did.

by gorebeatbush2 2008-03-17 01:17AM | 0 recs
Rebuttal

  These "attacks", as you deem them, are legitimate points. I'm not sure what you mean when you talk about "going negative". If I were to consider off-limits all of the points you mention, I'd have very little to say about Sen. Clinton. It plainly is not issue-based, as their positions on the issues differ very little. Your argument seems to come down to "Obama was mean to her first". Objective reality, and an active internet connection will dispel this argument in about 4 seconds. Sun-Tzu says "Those who fling feces must expect return fire".

by Kordo 2008-03-17 01:33AM | 0 recs
Peter's list above:

"Disingenuous"
"Too polarizing to win"
'Divisive'
"Untruthful"
"Dishonest"
'Calculating'
"Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"
"Attempting to deceive the American people"
"One of the most secretive politicians in America"
"Literally willing to do anything to win"
"Playing politics with war"

There is a certain amount of duplication of the above.  For instance, if you accept the last premise, that she played politics with war during the 2002 AUMF vote (and justification can be made for that statement) then everything in the list above that can be logically derived as a necessary consequence.  Well, except for maybe "Do anything to win," which is a different matter.

So at the center of this is a question of policy, rather than unfair personal attacks.  If Hillary could or would address the issue of the 2002 AUMF vote in an acceptable and believable manner, it would blunt all this.  But this continues to be an ongoing toothache.

But all this is too little, too late.  Slate's article, "Hillary's Sorry Non-Apology," from Feb of last year, pretty much predicted what would doom her.  So add "Hubris" to the list of assaults on her integrity which can be derived from Daou's last point.

http://www.slate.com/id/2160238/

Now, from campaign insiders quoted in the New York Times, comes the answer: never. As she told voters a few days ago: "If the most important thing to any of you is choosing someone who did not cast that vote or has said his vote was a mistake, then there are others to choose from."

This is an amazingly stupid and arrogant position. If she sticks to it, it will probably kill her candidacy. And it should.

Telling people to vote for another candidate than yourself is pretty ballsy.  Not a good way to get more votes.  Most people want candidates to ask for their votes.

by Dumbo 2008-03-17 02:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge[Updated With Live Links
Obama's "full assault" against Hillary Clinton started several months ago. It's nothing new. Obama may have called Clinton a capable person, but it was obviously calculated. I doubt he was ever sincere about it. Obama is a flawed candidate and should not be given the nomination.
by zenful6219 2008-03-17 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge[Updated With Live Links
"Disingenuous" "Too polarizing to win" 'Divisive' "Untruthful" "Dishonest" 'Calculating' "Saying and doing whatever it takes to win" "Attempting to deceive the American people" "One of the most secretive politicians in America" "Literally willing to do anything to win" "Playing politics with war" The above listed negative campaign "themes" have been used by Obama bloggers against Clinton for several months. Also, you'll find blog commentators have used them even more frequently. I'm grateful to Daou for compiling the list for us.
by zenful6219 2008-03-17 09:12AM | 0 recs
tracey flick fan club! i love the ...

"she's worked harder crap." you know, sipping lattes in the white house and singing duets with sheryl crowe and sinbad, while Obama schlepped around on the south side. clleeeeearly harder working.

by ksquire 2008-03-17 10:00AM | 0 recs
&quot;done his homework&quot;

unlike those who were unaware of a texas caucus?

the idea that someone who is on the campaign staff has done his homework shouldn't be quite this surprising.

unfortunately, it also means that he just handed obama her playbook. this is EXCELLENT NEWS!! FOR HILLARY!!!

by ksquire 2008-03-17 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Peter Daou's Challenge[Updated With Live Links

"Full Assault" is asking for the release of financial records?

Of course those should be released now so that we don't nominate someone with a hidden fatal flaws.

I thought all Dems were for financial transparency?

I'm amazed that some Hillary supporters have so lost their bearings that they are arguing for financial secrecy.

by wrb 2008-03-17 11:28AM | 0 recs
Did his homework?! You're joking, right?

I clicked on Daou's first two links: 'disingenuous' and 'too polarizing to win.'

The language "too polarizing to win" wasn't Obama's, but a headline writer's.  Obama isn't quoted in the article as saying anything like it.

Obama did call Clinton 'disingenuous' for wanting to have it both ways with respect to her husband's Administration - taking credit for the good, distancing herself from the bad - and without any sort of documentary support either way.

I'd say Obama's point was a strong one, and I thank Daou for bringing this poor judgment on his candidate's part to my attention.

If the rest of Daou's links make his case anywhere near as poorly - and one must suspect they will, these were the first two, the ones he had to expect would be looked at and scrutinized - then Daou must've been hoping that no one would check his homework.

Team Hillary's apparently throwing anything they can at the wall, hoping something will stick.  This piece of crap's sliding straight down.

by RT 2008-03-17 05:02PM | 0 recs
Peter, one question !

Why are you 9 months too late with this?

Why was there not a more effective push back each and every time that Obama slid under the radar and placed this crap out in the MSM?

And, why did Hillary not take my advice back months ago and issue an edict from her campaign that all mention of Obama was forbidden?  If she had, there would have been nothing , absolutely not one word out there that the Obama folks could claim was 'racist'.  Not even a 'fairy tale'.  Could you not see on dKos what a train wreck was in the making and take that back to the campaign?

Ok, my bad: four questions.

by emsprater 2008-03-18 07:53AM | 0 recs

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