Obama Unmasked & Gamed [Update]

Links at end

Robert Creamer, who pleaded guilty of bank fraud and failure to pay federal taxes in Aug, 2005, and who spent the second half of 2006 living at the Federal Corectional Institute in Terre Haute, Indiana, taught at "Camp Obama" in 2007. His job: to instruct interns and volunteers in political organizing--the very abuses of which sent him to jail.

What did Creamer teach at Obama's week long politial training camp? INSPIRATION!! And he lectured that there are only two groups of voters who decide the outcomes of elections. So these are the targets of communiation that can be affected by political campaigns. They are "persuadables" and "mobilizables."

According to Creamer in an article which appeared yesterday in the Huffington Post, "persuadables" are voters who are switch hitters, they will vote either party, but they always vote. The deal is that they have to be persuaded to vote for your candidate. "Mobilizables" don't have to be persuaded. But they often don't vote. They have to be "inspired" to vote.

He then gives examples of Obama's message which targets these groups:

That we're all in this together

You're not all in this alone

Unity not division

Hope not fear

Creamer has little respect for issues. Forget 10 point plans. Stick with inspiration.

Unfortunately, while the carefully nurtured political gambit of Inspiration with a capital I has surely succeeded; and it does  match for cynicism  anything out of the Karl Rove playbook,  the Republicans have gamed the effort.

Rove was another step ahead of Obama.

Forty percent of the Obama voters in Iowa were Republicans. Obama will tell you his "inspiration" message is working. Republican operatives tell a different story.There is a very successful GOP strategy to take out Hillary in the democratic primaries that is capitalizing on the Obama strategy.

Former Senator Lincoln Chafee, the most famous vote for John Bolton to become Ambassador to the United Nations  and who was defeated for re-election in the 2006 mid-term elections in Rhode Island by Democrat Sheldon Whitehouse, publicly endorsed Obama last week. The Rhode Island primary is  March 4.     Chafee joins a long list of Republicans who have either endorsed the junior senator outright or praised him mightily. Robert Kagan, a  leading neoconservative and  co-founder of the New American Century, a group which called for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, has praised Obama fulsomely.

But more importantly there is a nationwide roster of Republican party activists who have backed Obama  and then brought their constituents along with them to vote Independent or cross party lines to vote for Obama. This is a fact of this primary season.

The pattern is so widespread that one has to wonder what is going on?

Obama, via his now obvious campaign strategy outlined above, would have us believe that his cross party appeal is bringing in tons of new voters. Men and women, he asserts, who are abandoning their party to vote for him. And some Democratic Party officials and activists are supporting Obama based on this assertion. Who doesn't want a candidate who can bring in masses of new voters? Nancy Pelosi it has been rumored, impressed by this vote-getting ability, is considering endorsing Obama.

But what if Obama is not actually bringing in tons of new voters? What if Republicans have organized to cross party lines or vote independent with one goal in mind: to defeat Senator Clinton. And what if this strategy was developed by top level Republican party functionaries-- including Karl Rove-- who believe Clinton will be the more formidable opponent in the general election?

Anecdotal evidence in support of a Republican manipulation is everywhere. Remember the recent Obama win in Maryland?  Nicole Price, the Maryland political director of Obama's campaign told the Washington Times that when she arrived in the state to ramp up the campaign. She found "a home-grown campaign already thriving." Republicans backing Obama had put more yard signs in Maryland than in South Carolina and they had paid for the signs "themselves." The Times also noted that in Louisiana, where he won by a wide margin, exit polls showed that Republicans who voted in the Democratic primary favored Mr. Obama 3-1 over Clinton. About 5 percent of the voters in the Democratic primary said they were Republicans.

According to the Washington Times story, Daniel B., Chance, a retired oil man,  voted for former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee in the Maryland Republican primary in the morning. He then spent the afternoon making calls from the phone bank at the Obama campaign's Baltimore County Headquarters in Towson.

The critical point here is this: what is a loyal Huckabee supporter doing making calls for Obama?

Moreover, the Huckabee supporter joined a large  mix of  either Republicans like himself  or Democrat for-a-day Republican converts  who were also making calls on behalf of Obama.

Besides this anecdotal evidence, are there any hard facts which support  a widespread Republican manipulation of the Democratic primaries? Time magazine  reports,

"Rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations to vote in Democratic primaries."
In Nebraska, the mayor of Omaha publicly rallied Republicans to caucus for Obama on February 9th.  And according to CNN in Iowa 44 percent of those voting for Obama were Republican.

Joe Conason in Salon in late December wrote,

"In the weeks since Karl Rove offered his unsolicited advice on how to defeat Hillary Clinton in the pages of the Financial Times, right wing expressions of support for Obama have become increasingly conspicuous and voluble."
These include opinion makers like the Weekly Standard, William Kristol who endorsed Obama in a NY Times editorial  and George Will. Three major fundraisers for the President have now given money to Obama. The Weekly Standard ran a cover story in early December that according to Conason "literally swooned" over Obama. This story was written by Stephen Hays, Dick Cheney's admiring biographer and according to Conason "the last journalist on earth who still believes that Saddam Hussein was allied with al_Qaida." 

The broadcast media apparently not immune itself to the "inspiration message manipulation" of voter emotion has also displayed  an fawning adulation of Obama. For example one only need consider Chris Mathews saying he got a thrill in his leg over Obama. And this must be contrasted with a deplorable bias and outright prejudice against Clinton. Karl Rove citing polling data declared,

"There is no candidate on record, a front-runner for a party's nomination, who has entered the primary season with negatives as high as she has."
And like little sprouts off the main tree all the broadcast networks began hammering  home the idea that "the voters don't like her." Over and over and over again adjectives such as "unlikeable,""divisive," and "polarizing," have been repeated about Clinton in an avalanche of  negative  press. This repetion cannot help but remind  one of the way "weapons of mass destruction" were repeated ad nauseum in the run-up to the Iraq invasion. And very much like that media orchestrated campaign or the one that buried Al Gore, both of which were based on so much false and perjured evidence, nowhere is it understood, let alone reported,  that Rove based that original assessment  on interviews with conservative voters.

There are here and there in the public square a few who are questioning what appears to be a mindless adoration of Obama's message of hope. And often times this is based on what appear to be amazing contradictions in his stated positions on those apparently "non-inspriing" issues.

Here are a some of these questions:

How do you believe in someone who says he'll agree to public campaign financing and now is taking it back?

How do you believe in someone who claimed not to have PACs and now is found to have donated more than 4 times what Clinton did to Super Delegates?

How do you believe in someone who says he's for gun control in one state and against it in another state?

How do you believe in someone who claims not to be playing the race card and then gets caught circulating a memo detailing how to do just that?

How do you believe in someone who sends Jesse Jackson Jr. to intimidate black candidates who support Clinton?

The blogger who wrote this cracked me up and I close with it now because it is just so perfect:

There is a sucker born every minute, I hear.
I just didn't realize they'd all join up at once and chant, "Yes We Can!"

Links: http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008_02_01_archive.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-creamer/why-inspiration-will-make_b_86844.html http://www.time.com/time/printout/0,8816,1680192,00.html http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080212/NATION/108597255/0 http://www.salon.com/opinion/consason/2007/12/21/right_and_obama/print.html

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Karl Rove, Lincoln Chafee, Maryland, Republicans, Robert Creamer (all tags)

Comments

73 Comments

Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

can you provide a link to the memo you cite that detailed how to use the race card?

by chicagolife 2008-02-16 09:58AM | 0 recs
Please

add links to the info to your diary.

by kevin22262 2008-02-16 10:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Tim Russert Held Up Race Memo at NV Debate

Obama's 4 page memo intended to cast Clintons as racists -

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/010 8/7944.html

by annefrank 2008-02-16 11:08AM | 0 recs
A memo that consisted

entirely of quotes from newspapers and nothing more.

I debunked this on MyDD a month ago.

You have nothing and have had nothing of subtance from the Tim Russert memo. Shame on you, you know that there's not a single quote from that memo you can use to smear Obama because it consists entirely of news reports from the press about things that actually occured.

Barack Obama wins more votes the more people know about him. His campaign has been positive, well-run and inclusive from day one. He is coming off enormous victories in primaries in VA, MD and DC...victories with huge margins in important states. He has never been behind in Pledged Delegates and currently has a 1139 to 1003 lead nationwide. Obama is running a campaign whose core message is about bringing us together to make change, about forging unity across this  nation to get things done. He has excellent policy positions  the core of which are shared with both Clinton and Edwards but with important innovative distinctions that favor Obama.

Senator Clinton's supporters should stop with the race baiting and negativity...the politics of the past...and start working on winning pledged delegates for their candidate.

by kid oakland 2008-02-16 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: A memo that consisted

But Obama campaign was the one collecting those newspaper quote and sent it out to the voters.

How are you going to defend that?  Obama admitted that it's another mistake from his campaign.

by JoeySky18 2008-02-16 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: A memo that consisted
DRINK THE KOOL-AID
YES WE CAN"T
by IndyRobin 2008-02-16 02:30PM | 0 recs
I Followed Your Link

I'm willing to look at allegations you have against Obama.  This one falls flat on his face.

I read YOUR LINK word for word.

It points out that a very low level staffer in South Carolina make some very inappropriate remarks. (We agree on that I believe.)

Then it shows Obama taking action.  The remarks are denounced, the staffer gone, and responsibility taken.

I find this refreshing and inspirational.

by bigdavefromqueens 2008-02-16 05:53PM | 0 recs
Horse Out

Barn now locked.

by jabney 2008-02-16 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

HELP ... NOT HYPE

Hillary 08

by IndyRobin 2008-02-16 02:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Very good explanation for much of what is happening.  It's been fairly obvious in states with closed primaries--only those pre-registered as Democrats (or Republicans) are allowed to vote in the party primaries--that Hillary Clinton has been winning and winning substantially.  This is not anecdotal but is born out by the exit polls.  In NYS, where I live, one cannot register the same day as the vote is held, unlike many if not all of the causcus states. This same day registration process clearly leaves plenty of room for abuse, such as we are seeing. In fact, I question whether there is any reason for even registering in a party any more, if the parties do not have control over who their candidates are.

One other Obama broken pledge: He promised the voters in Illinois that he would not run for president if elected as their senator.  I have family members near Chicago who are angered by his chicanery and now question Obama's sincerity on any issue.  OTOH, Hillary Clinton promised NY voters the same thing during her first campaign there and kept her word even though there was strong pressure for her to run in '04.    

by miriam 2008-02-16 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

According to the Chicago Tribune, Obama began plotting his prez run in February 2005.

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/articl e/42551/carefully-crafting-the-obama-bra nd/

by annefrank 2008-02-16 11:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Obama never gave an explicit commitment not to run for President when he was running for Senator.

by rayspace 2008-02-16 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Fantastic post. This is what I've been trying to communicate. Democrats, for the first time in a long time, were going to be able to walk into the Whitehouse virtually uncontested...unless, of course, they were divided, had a brokered convention or had a first term, inexperienced, rhetorical senator as their nominee.

The level of Hillary-hatred that is expressed by supposed Democrats tells me that the GOP plan is working. Democrats have already forgotten that they loved Bill Clinton, and that Hillary never did anything bad except try to get universal health care. And, she's done a heck of a lot of good -- for the poor, the sick, veterans, first responders, minorities, and women.

I just hope and pray the Democrats of WI, OH, TX and PA (and HI, RI and all the remaining states) wake up to the realization that Hillary is the democratic choice for president of these united states -- she's the only one who can win on national security and economic security. She's the only one who can get universal health insurance done, and who can implement an energy plan that will reverse the green house gas trend.

To listen to the inflammatory rhetoric of Repugs pretending to be democrats is dangerous.

by seattlegonz 2008-02-16 10:07AM | 0 recs
Our prayers may be answered

but probably not in time for the Democratic primary.

The games played by interlopers in this primary process will continue at an increased level now that the Republican race is over.  Too many Democrats refuse to see what is going on.  This plan never could have worked without Democratic complicity.

I've often wondered who put Obama up to this race so quickly in his Senate career.  Karl Rove couldn't have designed a better Machiavellian plan.

But, the GOP is collecting a scrapbook of all of these things to use against the great one.  They will take down Obama eventually.  I'm not happy that I will likely be voting Republican in November but this mistake needs to be corrected and the primary blame for this mistake is with Democrats and the Democratic primary.  Without Obama's defeat, these needed reforms in the primary process won't take place.

by lombard 2008-02-16 12:17PM | 0 recs
To everyone that is quoting things

PLEASE give links to the info, otherwise it will be dismissed.

by kevin22262 2008-02-16 10:40AM | 0 recs
But

you can't just say where you got it. People will dismiss it. Just give links to anything you are quoting. This should be standard practice.

by kevin22262 2008-02-16 10:49AM | 0 recs
ugh

You put up quotes, correct? You attributed things to people and places, correct? All of these things should have links to where you got them. It is standard practice.

To not do this takes away from the reliabilty of what you have written.

by kevin22262 2008-02-16 11:35AM | 0 recs
Clearly

linfar is unable to provide links.

This is typical. Clinton claims she is competent and ready to lead but her campaign has squandered money and the support of core constituencies nationwide.

Clinton supporters on MyDD have engaged in a pattern of smear and fear. Changing the rules of the nomination process while the election is in process.

Clinton claims competence, but her supporters show how that's just not true.

Eight states in a row have gone to Barack Obama and we are wasting our time ASKING for links.

That tells you something right there.

by kid oakland 2008-02-16 11:51AM | 0 recs
Kid

The first quote comes from this article:

Karl Rove: Bamboozling the American electorate again

The Time magazine article goes on to explain that rank and file Republicans in red states have switched their party registrations

which is referencing this Time magazine article:

Obama's Red State Appeal

Even some former Bush supporters and advisers are Obama converts. Three former major fund-raisers for the President have given money to Obama. One of them, James Canning, a Chicago financier, is openly supporting Obama after he grew tired of what he calls the G.O.P.'s "Neanderthal positions on things like stem cell research and global warming." Mark McKinnon, Bush's chief media consultant during both of his presidential campaigns, has warned his clients -- including Senator John McCain -- that if Obama wins the Democratic nomination McKinnon won't work against him in the general election. And Matthew Dowd, Bush's former top political strategist, told the New York Times that the only candidate that appeals to him this cycle in either party is Obama.

Nice guys, I'm sure. Smell a rat?

They are both very good reads and before you simply respond: "Well we'll take any votes we can get...blah blah blah..."  You might stop think about what might be going on here...

I'm sure the other quotes check out too, but I'll look them up for you if you want.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 12:11PM | 0 recs
What's ironic

is that George Bush's line in 2000 vs. McCain was that the Republican nominee should be decided by Republicans.

However, state parties set their rules based on their own self-interest. Open caucuses and primaries and semi-open caucuses and primaries weren't set up to help Barack Obama but because of the self-interest of Democratic parties in each of those states.

I think I understand, btw, the the diarist doesn't understand providing links.  I'm sure that will change going forward.

by kid oakland 2008-02-16 05:01PM | 0 recs
lol

You just got pwnd in Virginia, a primary, and you talk like that?

64% of the primary voters in a state that we have every reason to fight for in 2008.

I'm happy to engage any participant here on or offline. Email me. I have nothing to hide and am proud to support Barack Obama with my activism and my vote.

by kid oakland 2008-02-16 04:50PM | 0 recs
Go to this web page

and learn how to use the anchor tag to make hyper links. It will make your arguments stronger.

I did not understand that perhaps your protest was based on not knowing how to use the anchor tag to make links.

It's easy once you get used to it, and vital to supporting your arguments.

by kid oakland 2008-02-16 05:04PM | 0 recs
you should put the link up

This will strengthen your argument.  Otherwise it's just an empty claim.  we should stay clear from a smearing each candidate.  It's not doing us any good in GE.

by JoeySky18 2008-02-16 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

I am a little confused when you say this..

"How do you believe in someone who claimed not to have PACs and now is found to have donated more than 4 times what Clinton did to Super Delegates?"

Is it your belief that Super Delegates are a PAC?
Isn't a PAC an organization that contributes to a candidate and not vice versa?

by nogo war 2008-02-16 11:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

It's called trying to support progressive candidates.  It's no surprise it's far more than Clinton's given.  Bill and Hill have never been known for sharing their war chest or caring if it would help the party.

by mddem456 2008-02-16 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Come on, the Superdelegates consist of every single prominent elected Democrat and then a bunch of party people with no real political ambitions of their own.  There's no way to support the party without donating to the supers -- this just shows Hillary is being miserly with the money.  A combined $700K is less than a fifth of what Mark Penn's earned.

by mddem456 2008-02-16 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

I mean, there's no way to contribute to an elected official of any prominence otherwise -- literally -- because they're all superdelegates.

by mddem456 2008-02-16 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Dude, it's called buying superdelegate favor.  PUH-LEASE!  From a PAC no less, that is funded by wait for it, wait for it...FEDERAL LOBBYISTS!!!

Aw man, that felt good.  Please try and refute that.

And if you really want to go down the road of who does what for Democratic Candidates, I'll match Bill and Hillary's record of raising money for Dems and the Party anytime.

Also, I remember once upon a time Hillary raising money for a young State Senator from Illinois named Barack Obama.

by mikesize 2008-02-16 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Super delegates comprise all of the important elected officials.  Is every donation to a progressive elected congressmember or state executive a PAC bribe?

by mddem456 2008-02-16 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked

Absolutely not a bribe, and perfectly legal and above the board, the point I was trying to make is that i find it funny that he's going out decrying the role of super delegates while at the same time he's spread around $700 K to them.  

And moreover, while he says he wants a different kind of politics, and decries the role of federal lobbyists, he's engaging in a pretty conventional kind of politics, by cutting checks to the supers with a PAC that is funded by federal lobbyists and other  PACs.  Isn't that a bit inconsistent with his big messages?

by mikesize 2008-02-17 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

We're sorry your candidate is boring and unelectable.  We offer our deepest apologies for nominating someone likable, inspiring, and electable.  We should have learned from our success  es in 2000 and 2004 doing it your way.

Love,

the Obama Cult

by mddem456 2008-02-16 11:21AM | 0 recs
Hey, Cult

Likeable?  Sure.  

Inspiring speeches?  Check.  

Electable? Umm... two out of three ain't bad.

by Montague 2008-02-16 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hey, Cult

Likable to a few, but her negatives are extraordinarily high for someone who hasn't even been nominated yet.

And her speeches?  She's shrill north of the Mason-Dixon line, and puts on that ridiculous accent anywhere south of it.  I was disappointed though she hasn't come up with a special Texas Twang yet.

by mddem456 2008-02-16 01:09PM | 0 recs
Obama can give her pointers

in changing accent to suit locale and audience.

by Montague 2008-02-16 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Wow, its like Free Republic over here.  I actually feel stupider for having read this.

by yitbos96bb 2008-02-16 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Some of the people in this forum will literally say anything to smear.  The funny thing is that this seemed to be an Edwards blog before, and I wonder if Edwards people realize what would have ever happened to their candidate if the two-way race was between Hillary and him.  

For all of the talk about how badly Clinton was treated by the right-wing during the White House, we have this blog and TalkLeft dedicated to throwing out every single charge, no matter how made up, that they can think of.  I'm just waiting for the first post to claim that Obama is a drug runner to Nicaragua and they can prove he's a murderer with a pumpkin and a 9mm.  Many of you have truly become what you said you despised.

by GobBluth 2008-02-16 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Wait- political strategists teaching political strategy rather than talking about issues! Thats preposterous. I am shocked! Whats next? Gambling in pool halls? This is just shocking and despicable....

by JDF 2008-02-16 11:24AM | 0 recs
The sucker quote is awesomely funny

And your diary is spot on.

by Montague 2008-02-16 11:41AM | 0 recs
what a campaign, new dirt every day.

Who better to teach people who to smooth talk than a professional con man.

Obama, did you also hire a con man to cover this up?

by JoeySky18 2008-02-16 11:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Paranoid and dillusional.  Tjhis is an astounding piece of tripe.  I wish I had time to refute it paragraph by paragraph.  Happily, I get to go play with my grandson, who does not lie, distort, or misrepresent.

by upper left 2008-02-16 12:09PM | 0 recs
Complete lies and misinformation

If you are going to lie to support your delirious conspiracy theories at least try and make it believable. In the Iowa Democratic caucus 3% of caucus participants were Republicans not 40%.

by hankg 2008-02-16 12:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Complete lies and misinformation

You had better go back and read it again without your rose colored glasses. CNN has it at 3% and 44% of that 3% voted for Obama 32% of that 3% voted Edwards which would make Obama's share of Republicans less then 1 1/2 %. Maybe you should do a little better research for your hit pieces.

by hankg 2008-02-16 05:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

If this is correct, it is a strong first step toward revealing to the public the tactics Rove, and the Republicans, use.

I would be the LAST one to rob Obama of a legitimate victory, but if deliberate vote manipulation is indicated, or another Republican attempt to rig an election is found, it best be revealed now, before November.

I hope there is more investigation of this topic, I'd love to see Rove's tricks exposed, if not in the MSM, at least on the blogs.

And if it is true, can you imagine the stupid MSM, falling for it?

by Marsha1 2008-02-16 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Ok, here is the link to the memo that was put out by the Obama campaign in South Carolina.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

And just to be safe the text is pasted at the end.  Put together and circulated by the Obama campaign to spread the narrative that the Clintons and their surrogates are racists.    

True, Obama's folks played this one beautifully.  A strategically placed memo in South Carolina, Jesse Jackson Jr (Obama's National Chairman) telling people that Hillary doesn't care for the victims of Katrina,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNrlSn7nd AA

AND VIRTUALLY OVERNIGHT the broad support Hillary had enjoyed among African Americans and the good memories and legacies the Clinton Administration such as the largest anti poverty program since the Great Society reforms (Earned Income Tax Credit, tax rebates for 15 million working poor), the largest expansion of Medicaid and giving 6.6 million poor kids health care (SCHIP), the highest minority homeownership levels in history, the largest decline in poverty since the 60's, the lowest African American child poverty levels ever, the lowest crime rate in 25 years (100,000 more police on the street through the COPS program), the Hate Crimes legislation signed into law, the largest investment in education in 30 years enabling over 15 million kids to afford college, all of that was stamped out overnight and replaced with the "Clinton's are racist narrative".  Please someone tell me that didn't happen.  Argue with me that that was not the narrative that Obama wanted to plant, but didn't want his fingerprints on. I really am listening.

And on another note, with regard to the classically "racist statement" by Bill Clinton comparing the Obama win in SC to the Jackson win in SC,  Jesse Jackson Jr. himself was on the radio in an ad comparing his father's historic win to Obama's campaign!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community /post_group/SCHQ/CJjg

Subject: MUST READ: Key S.C. figure takes issue with Clintons

SHUCK AND JIVE

Clinton Supporter Andrew Cuomo, Referring To Obama, Said "You Can't Shuck
And Jive At A Press Conference. All Those Moves You Can Make With The Press
Don't Work When You're In Someone's Living Room." Clinton-supporting New
York Attorney General Andrew Cuomo said the thing that's great about New
Hampshire is that you have to go out and meet people rather than "shuck and
jive" through press conferences there. Cuomo said of New Hampshire on an
Albany radio station: "It's not a TV-crazed race. Frankly, you can't buy
your way into it. You can't shuck and jive at a press conference. All those
moves you can make with the press don't work when you're in someone's living
room." [Newsday, 1/11/08]

MARTIN LUTHER KING / LYNDON JOHNSON COMPARISON

Clinton, Criticizing Obama For Promising "False Hope" Said That While MLK
Jr. Spoke On Behalf Of Civil Rights, President Lyndon Johnson Was The One
Who Got Legislation Passed: "It Took A President To Get It Done." Clinton
rejoined the running argument over hope and "false hope" in an interview in
Dover this afternoon, reminding Fox's Major Garrett that while Martin Luther
King Jr. spoke on behalf of civil rights, President Lyndon Johnson was the
one who got the legislation passed. Hillary was asked about Obama's
rejoinder that there's something vaguely un-American about dismissing hopes
as false, and that it doesn't jibe with the careers of figures like John F.
Kennedy and King. "Dr. King's dream began to be realized when President
Johnson passed the Civil Rights Act," Clinton said. "It took a president to
get it done." [Politico, 1/7/08; Video]

Clinton Introducer Said JFK Gave Hope, But Was Assassinated. Clinton
introducer: "If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the
other candidates to JFK and he was a wonderful leader, he gave us a lot of
hope but he was assassinated and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all his
work and got the republicans to pass all those measures." [HRC, Dover, NH,
1/7/08] AUDIO ATTACHED

NELSON MANDELA

Bill Clinton Implied Hillary Clinton Is Stronger Than Nelson Mandela. "I
have been blessed in my life to know some of the greatest figures of the
last hundred years. [...] I go to Nelson Mandela's birthday party every year
and we're still very close. [...] But if you said to me, 'You've got one last
job for your country but it's hazardous and you may not get out with life
and limb intact and you have to do it alone except I'll let you take one
other person, and I had to pick one person whom I knew who would never
blink, who would never turn back, who would make great decisions [...] I would
pick Hillary.'" [ABC News, 1/7/08; Audio]

DRUG USE

Clinton's NH Campaign Chair Raised The Youthful Drug Use Of Obama And Said
It Would "Open The Door To Further Queries On The Matter." Clinton's
Campaign Issued A Statement Distancing Themselves From Shaheen's Comments
And Shaheen Issued A Statement Saying That He "Deeply Regret[s] The
Comments." The Democratic presidential race took on a decidedly nasty and
personal turn, with the New Hampshire co-chair for Clinton, raising the
youthful drug use of Obama. Shaheen said Obama's having been so open -- as
opposed to then-Gov. George W. Bush, who refused to detail his past drug use
during his 2000 presidential campaign -- will "open the door to further
queries on the matter. It'll be, 'When was the last time? Did you ever give
drugs to anyone? Did you sell them to anyone?'" Shaheen said. "There are so
many openings for Republican dirty tricks. It's hard to overcome." By the
end of the day, Clinton campaign spokesman Phil Singer had issued a
statement asserting that "these comments were not authorized or condoned by
the campaign in any way." And Shaheen himself issued a statement: "I deeply
regret the comments I made today and they were not authorized by the
campaign in any way." [ABC News, 12/12/07]

Mark Penn, In Trying To Defend His Campaign Over Bill Shaheen's Obama Drug
Use Comments, Used The Word "Cocaine," Drawing A Rebuke From Edwards Adviser
Joe Trippi. Mark Penn, defending the Clinton campaign in light of Bill
Shaheen's comments about Obama's drug use, repeatedly referenced Obama's
cocaine use. Edwards adviser Joe Trippi accused Penn of dropping the word
"cocaine" deliberately. Mark Penn said "Well, I think we have made clear
that the -- the issue related to cocaine use is not something that the
campaign was in any way raising. And I think that has been made clear. I
think this kindergarten thing was a joke after Senator." Joe Trippie
responded and said "I think he just did it again. He just did it again. ...
This guy's been filibustering on this. He just said cocaine again."
[Politico, 12/13/07; Video]

FAIRY TALE

Donna Brazile Lashed Into Bill Clinton For Comparing Obama To A "Fairy Tale"
And Said "It's An Insult... As An African-American" And That His Tone And
Words Are "Very Depressing." Donna Brazile lit into Bill Clinton over his
insulting comments of Obama, where he called him a "fairy tale" and said "I
could understand his frustration at this moment. But, look, he shouldn't
take out all his pain on Barack Obama. It's time that they regroup. Figure
out what Hillary needs to do to get her campaign back on track. It sounds
like sour grapes coming from the former commander in chief. Someone that
many Democrats hold in high esteem. For him to go after Obama, using a fairy
tale, calling him as he did last week. It's an insult. And I will tell you,
as an African-American, I find his tone and his words to be very depressing.
... I think his tone, I think calling Barack Obama a kid, he is a United
States senator." [Politico, 1/8/08]

Amaya Smith
South Carolina Press Secretary
Obama for America

by mikesize 2008-02-16 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Yo here is the exchange between Russert and Obama with the link.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/15/us/pol itics/15demdebate-transcript.html?pagewa nted=all

RUSSERT: In terms of accountability, Senator Obama, Senator Clinton on Sunday told me that the Obama campaign had been pushing this storyline. And, true enough, your press secretary in South Carolina -- four pages of alleged comments made by the Clinton people about the issue of race.

In hindsight, do you regret pushing this story?

OBAMA: Well, not only in hindsight, but going forward. I think that, as Hillary said, our supporters, our staff get overzealous. They start saying things that I would not say. And it is my responsibility to make sure that we're setting a clear tone in our campaign, and I take that responsibility very seriously, which is why I spoke yesterday and sent a message in case people were not clear that what we want to do is make sure that we focus on the issues.

Now, there are going to be significant issues that we debate, and some serious differences that we have. OBAMA: And I'm sure those will be on display today.

What I am absolutely convinced of is that everybody here is committed to racial equality -- has been historically. And what I also expect is that I'm going to be judged as a candidate in terms of how I'm going to be improving the lives of the people in Nevada and the people all across the country, that they are going to ultimately be making judgments on can I deliver on good jobs at good wages; can I make sure that our home foreclosure crisis is adequately dealt with; are we going to be serious about retirement security; and are we going to have a foreign policy that makes us safe.

If I'm communicating that message, then I expect to be judged on that basis. And if I'm not, then I expect to be criticized on that basis. That's the kind of campaign that we want to run and that we have run up until this point.

by mikesize 2008-02-16 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Why do you think the RePigs moved the primary in Fla? I've read that new exactly what they were doing. They knew the Dem's would turn on each other and screw their own party. Once again, it worked. When will we ever learn?

by IndyRobin 2008-02-16 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

oopps.. knew

by IndyRobin 2008-02-16 01:11PM | 0 recs
This is why Republicans...

have won 7 of the last 10 presidential elections.

by JimR 2008-02-16 01:14PM | 0 recs
With Friends Like These....

does Hillary really need all of her enemies?  

If this is how Clinton activists try to convince the rest of us, its no wonder she is getting blown out in the caucuses.  

Hey, I heard some former Republican senator from Rhode Island endorsed Obama, I'm sure he didn't have any legitimate disagreements with his old party, he just wants to screw with the dems.

by AllergicToBS 2008-02-16 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: With Friends Like These....

I didn't ask for links, but thanks though.  

by AllergicToBS 2008-02-16 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

It is funny that the only explanation for republicans voting for Obama HAS to be that they are afraid of Clinton.  My uncle, the lone republican in my family, has stated that if it comes down to McCain and Obama he is voting for Obama.  Before you call him out as part of the conspiracy, he doesn't pay attention to politics most of the time and I can guarentee that he isn't recieving the secret republican voting strategy by email or anything. Many republicans are just like us and have been waiting for someone that will make a real effort to work with all members of congress, despite party affiliation    

by matchles 2008-02-16 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Marathon Pundit

Huffington Post

Time

Washington Times

Salon

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked & Gamed

Here's how you do it except substitute "<" and ">" where I put "(" and ")"

(a href="[URL address]")[Title](/a)

eg.

(a href="http://marathonpundit.blogspot.com/2008_ 02_01_archive.html")Maraton Pundit(/a)

Hope that helps.

BTW Nice diary... :)

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-16 02:53PM | 0 recs
Whenever I see.....

a particularly distasteful diary, that is all about smearing a candidate and not at all about uplifting your own candidate.  A diary that is at the top of the recommended list so as to keep it front and center in everyones face, I like to see who has gone out of their way to recommend and promote this rather pitiful practice of smear.

The Following Users Have Recommended This Diary:

JimR
kevin22262
WeNeed3rdParty
susanhu
annefrank
Gabriele Droz
irene adler
MOBlue
Taylor Marsh
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atdleft
campskunk
Firefly4625
BigBoyBlue
Undies Sided
JoanH
DaleA
americanincanada
CognitiveDissonance
miriam
Shazone
JoeySky18
MediaFreeze
seattlegonz
grlpatriot
bluestate
DemMom
carbonemission
IndyRobin
sricki
mikesize

It may not sound fair, but you are, the company you keep.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-16 03:25PM | 0 recs
Thanks! It's an honor.

by JimR 2008-02-16 04:19PM | 0 recs
add me to the list

...thanks.

by Coldblue 2008-02-16 05:44PM | 0 recs
Re: add me to the list

oh yeah.  Add me too.  Proudly.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-16 06:08PM | 0 recs
Funniest commentor quote of the day

"a particularly distasteful diary, that is all about smearing a candidate and not at all about uplifting your own candidate."

Holy cripes!  This is coming from an obama supporter!  Go to Daily Kos much?  New to this whole comment thingee?

While making my decision, I gave up already after two months of begging Obama supporters to talk about their candidate without immediately slipping into the rut of piling on the awefulness of Senator Clinton.  Edwards supporters complained about it too.  Talk about your guy, talk about his strengths, his policies, what he stands for and leave the rest of the field alone.

Oh, but hell no.  Months and months of Clinton exposes and enough potshot same old shat comments t fill my harddrive.

You just HAVE to be kidding about this, right?  Clinton supporters get positive?  Why?  Because we're done being called uninformed, idiot, Billary loving, trout just voting for a woman because?

Get used to this, bucko.  You all made the divide, now drown in it.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-16 06:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Funniest commentor quote of the day

Let it be clear,  "grassrootsorganizer",

Holy cripes!  This is coming from an obama supporter!  
If you had been around this site longer than since February 4th,  You'd already know I am a decided, and declared supporter of John Edwards.  Now that he is out of the race, I am undecided, though admittedly leaning Obama for many reasons,not the least of which is the terrible way 'Ready from day one" Hillary Clinton has run her campaign.  Arguably the largest institution she has had the responsibility of running.

New to this whole comment thingee?
 Apparently no where near as new to it as you are, judging at least by the earliest date of your posted comments.  Of course it is highly possible that like so many others you have been banned under another name, one or more times, for something or another.

All you have to do is look to the diaries list and look at the titles of the diaries and it will become very apparent that this site is so overwhelmed by uber partisan Clinton supporters who do nothing but smear, smear, smear.

Prove me wrong, do a search of this site and prove me wrong.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-18 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Whenever I see.....

Hey that's a strong list of patriotic Americans.  Seriously, what was the point of putting that list together?  To say for shame those of you who dare to raise legitimate questions about the motives of Republican strategists and the current Democratic frontrunner?  Well I guess we have been identified and blacklisted.  Right after this post I'm going to trash my computer, render it down for the microchips, sell them, and use the proceeds to make a donation to Obama.  Would that be enough to get me off of this list?  I honestly don't even know these people.

Let me characterize what I think a debate with you would be like.

ME:  Hey I think Obama should be a little bit more specific about what he means when he says he's the only one to bring Americans together to bring change.

YOU:  That's politics as usual.

ME: OK but isn't it a bit unfair to when he speaks about the bitter partisanship of the past and lumps the Clintons in there as what's wrong with politics after all of their accomplishments?

YOU:  Instead of tearing Obama down, you should be building your candidate up.

ME:  But isn't calling Senator Clinton and her husband a problem of what's wrong with Washington and "saying or willing to do anything to get elected" or saying that she would be a "President whose plans would change with the politics of the moment", accusing her of forcing poor people to pay for health care they can't afford and punishing them if they can't, even saying that her judgement resulted in Benazir Bhutto's assassination, sort of tearing her down?

YOU:  Your question is the sort of divisive politics the American people are tired of.  

ME:  No, I mean I guess I just see a some sort of disconnect between Obama's speeches about hope and change, when I see him running a very conventional campaign and accusing Hillary of selling out American workers, simply relegating the Clinton Administration as just a series of petty partisan fights and bad for  Democrats, when in fact there were many significant progressive accomplishments (the biggest anti poverty program since LBJ (EITC) resulting in tax relief for 15 million working poor, the largest expansion of Medicaid and health care for 6.6 million kids (SCHIP), the Family Medical Leave Act, doubling pell grants and creating HOPE and Lifetime Learning Credits helping 15 million kids afford college, record surpluses, lowest crime in 25 years, 22 million new jobs, record positive highs for every economic indicator).  I just think that he needs to explain what gives him credibility for employing a new politics, when he's launching some pretty conventional attacks on his opponent.

YOU: WE ARE THE ONES WE HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR (Copyright 1983, Alice Walker)  No more politics of fear.  

ME:  Listen I would,,,

YOU: Turn the page.

ME: Let me just finish, I just want to debate what I think is a fundamental issue, Hillary is saying that Barack's shortcoming isn't necessarily that he lacks policy specifics, but that he's making sweeping promises of change and racking up some good press on the promise of Hope, all good messages, but that his rhetoric doesn't necessarily translate into the policies he's pursuing and that it's not consistent his past positions or the actual type of campaign he's running.

YOU: Clearly, you've been in Washington too long.

ME: Well funny you mention that, it may be impolitic, but I think that it's good for a President to have had experience in DC and know their way around Congress, the Executive Branch, the agencies, things like that.  She has demonstrated many times as a Senator her ability to work with members of the other party to pursue good policies and that could serve her well as President, I think Hillary has demonstrated her command of these issues and clearly has benefited from the wisdom gained from her missteps before and those are in fact good things.  

YOU:  Washington is Broken.

ME: Ugh! Ok listen, we can't seem to have a reasonable debate.  But I'm a good Democrat, you're a good Democrat. Listen bottom line, if Obama wins, I'll definitely support him in November.

YOU:  YES WE CAN!

ME: Great, but if Hillary wins, I think it would be reasonable for any Obama supporter to vote for Hillary.

YOU:  It's about the past versus the future.

ME:  DAMMIT!!!!

by mikesize 2008-02-16 06:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Whenever I see.....

So True So true

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-17 12:16AM | 0 recs
Since you took the time...

to invent a debate with me, let me respond:  FYI, I have for obvious reasons reversed the "YOU' and "ME" designations assigned by your script.

(YOU):  Hey I think Obama should be a little bit more specific about what he means when he says he's the only one to bring Americans together to bring change.

ME: If what you seek are specifics on policy, I suggest you visit his website. He lays out in quite some detail on easily downloaded .pdf files his positions.  If you are unable to find the answers to policy questions, I'd really have to put that fault on you as opposed to Obama.  It's all there and easily accesible if you really want to know.

If what you seek is why he believes he is the candidate who will bring Americans together to enact change, I would suspect he like every other candidate believes in himself and his abilities over the other candidates.  Frankly, I have never in my lifetime of over 65 years heard any candidate claim their opponent was the candidate more likely to bring people together and win an election.

(YOU):  OK but isn't it a bit unfair to when he speaks about the bitter partisanship of the past and lumps the Clintons in there as what's wrong with politics after all of their accomplishments?
 
ME:  Well I'm not sure where you might have been from 1992 through 2000, but it was a prolonged period of bitter partisanship and putting aside for a moment the reasons for which, the Clinton's were a part of that partisanship. Whether deserved or not deserved, whether truthful or not, the Clinton administration was the subject of an extended investigation that cost untold millions of Dollars and years of time.  I happen to think it was a disgraceful act of hypocrisy and hate that the Republican party foisted on our country,  but I also recognize that it could have been resolved years earlier had Bill Clinton merely said:  "Yes, I had an affair with that woman, Monica Lewinsky, and I deeply regret my actions and apologize to my wife, daughter and country."  As for "All of their accomplishments",  I can think of many "accomplishments" that damaged our country and offended my sensibilities as a Democrat who voted for Bill Clinton. among them, DOMA, NAFTA, Don't ask don't tell and Welfare reform.  Now I know you are about to bring up the great economy during the Clinton years, but before you do, you might consider some economic facts. Aside from Nixonian "wage and price controls", Presidential policies hav e relatively little effect on the economy.    The Federal Reserve and WTO have more influence on our economy than any President.  That doesn't mean I am suggesting that the economy wasn't good for a lot of people during the Clinton years, particularly when comparing it to the Bush years, but I have a perspective that is a bit longer than 16 years, or even 32 years. As for other "accomplishments" you'd care to tout, I'm all ears.
(YOU):  But isn't calling Senator Clinton and her husband a problem of what's wrong with Washington and "saying or willing to do anything to get elected" or saying that she would be a "President whose plans would change with the politics of the moment", accusing her of forcing poor people to pay for health care they can't afford and punishing them if they can't, even saying that her judgement resulted in Benazir Bhutto's assassination, sort of tearing her down?

ME:  Yes, it would seem to be tearing her down, and I guess that Obama supporters want to tear her down, just as the Clinton supporters want to tear down Obama.  As a supporter of John Edwards I agree with those who claim she is a Washington "insider" and as such is as much a part of the problem as Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and the 19 Democrats who recently voted to give telecoms immunity for breaking the law and invading our privacy.  To me any democrat who sides with Bush on anything is more a part of the problem as opposed to part of the solution.

As for her positions changing, how much time are you willing to give me, because I can point out numerous occasions where she has changed her opinions and positions.

In regards to her health care plan, it, like Obama's does not go nearly far enough. Unfortunately, when you refuse to rule out garnishing wages of the working poor as she has repeatedly refused to do, it does leave the impression that her plan can be punitive to say the least, but she has only herself to blame for that.

Benazir Bhutto's assassination?   Really?  It sounds to me like you may be spending too much time on the drudge report.

(YOU):  No, I mean I guess I just see a some sort of disconnect between Obama's speeches about hope and change, when I see him running a very conventional campaign and accusing Hillary of selling out American workers, simply relegating the Clinton Administration as just a series of petty partisan fights and bad for  Democrats, when in fact there were many significant progressive accomplishments (the biggest anti poverty program since LBJ (EITC) resulting in tax relief for 15 million working poor, the largest expansion of Medicaid and health care for 6.6 million kids (SCHIP), the Family Medical Leave Act, doubling pell grants and creating HOPE and Lifetime Learning Credits helping 15 million kids afford college, record surpluses, lowest crime in 25 years, 22 million new jobs, record positive highs for every economic indicator).  I just think that he needs to explain what gives him credibility for employing a new politics, when he's launching some pretty conventional attacks on his opponent.

ME:  I am not sure I would characterize Obama's campagn as "conventional", but you are certainly free to do so if it somehow supports your arguments.  I believe however that BOTH Obama and Clinton, when they refer to change are specifically talking about the last eight years and the Bush administration.  I have not heard anyone claim that the EITC, PELL GRANTS, SCHIP or the Medical leave act were bad for Democrats, if you have heard these claims, please, fill me in.

All politicians launch attacks on their opponents, If you have not seen the attacks that Hillary Clinton and her surrogates have launched at Obama, then you have not been paying very much attention.  Politics, is politics, is politics, but again, I think it is pretty clear that BOTH candidates are implicitly referring to the Bush administration when they talk of new politics and change.

(YOU):  Let me just finish, I just want to debate what I think is a fundamental issue, Hillary is saying that Barack's shortcoming isn't necessarily that he lacks policy specifics, but that he's making sweeping promises of change and racking up some good press on the promise of Hope, all good messages, but that his rhetoric doesn't necessarily translate into the policies he's pursuing and that it's not consistent his past positions or the actual type of campaign he's running.

ME:  Seriously, if the fundamental issue is that his sweeping promises of change, his good reception from the press and that his rhetoric doesn't translate into the policies he's pursuing, well, again, I suggest you actually read his policy positions first, and you might not make that "translate into" statement. Secondly, I.  would think that any Democrat getting good press is good for the party. Lastly, his past policy positions and actions are all apart of the record and to date, nothing about them has surfaced that is fundamentally different than his positions today or at odds with the campaign he is running.  There is simply no proof of that claim, and really, very little inference to it either.  
(YOU):  Well funny you mention that, it may be impolitic, but I think that it's good for a President to have had experience in DC and know their way around Congress, the Executive Branch, the agencies, things like that.  She has demonstrated many times as a Senator her ability to work with members of the other party to pursue good policies and that could serve her well as President, I think Hillary has demonstrated her command of these issues and clearly has benefited from the wisdom gained from her missteps before and those are in fact good things.  

ME: You certainly are entitled to believe that a President needs experience in DC and know their way around the Congress, agencies etc.  I might point out that when Bill Clinton came to DC he had none, yet apparently in your eyes he was a great, perhaps even transformational President.  I don't think you can have it both ways, you should admit that experience in DC is no more or less important to a future President than his or her own intelligence and judgment.  We all know that the Senate is the ultimate good old boys club, they all begin every utterance.. "My good friend from the other side of the aisle".  I think assigning  Senator Clinton more respect and cooperation from the Republican side of the chamber, than you would assign Senator Obama is both naive and disingenuous..

As for benefiting from from the wisdom gained from her missteps,  you'd really have to define what you mean by benefiting.  I would suggest to you that in many cases her 'benefiting", in fact was detrimental to the country's and our party's future. To me a good example of this was her position on Drivers licenses for undocumented immigrants. First she agreed, then when it was obvious the right wing was going to jump down her throat, she changed her position and was against it.  Clearly this is about safety as Governor Richardson so eloquently stated.  Her learning curve may have helped her in the polls or MSM but it clearly hurt our nation and makes our highways more dangerous in addition to appearing just a bit anti-immigrant.  Now  know the Senator is not anti immigrant, but perception is important.

(YOU):  Ugh! Ok listen, we can't seem to have a reasonable debate.  But I'm a good Democrat, you're a good Democrat. Listen bottom line, if Obama wins, I'll definitely support him in November

ME:  That's great to hear, especially since it appears he is the front runner and on a fast track to win the nomination.  I've heard so many people who are supporters of Hillary Clinton say just the opposite, they use terms like "messianic", "Muslim", "Sexist", "Shuck and Jive", "Thug", "Drug Dealer" and some of the most vitriolic comments I have ever heard.  I'm glad to know you are different.  No matter who wins, i hope they will appoint John Edwards to be Attorney General and then the Supreme Court.

*************

One last point to you regarding the diary that began this whole thread and the people who recommended it. I'm not sure how long you've been around MyDD, but there is a group of trolls who do nothing but post negative diaries, negative comments and just general trash about Obama.  They rarely if ever post anything positive about Clinton except to say "Obama is a Muslim thug drug dealer and I love Hillary."  On the list of the supporters of this diary, you will find quite a few of those people, just go to their comments page and see for yourself.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-18 11:41AM | 0 recs
Rush and Coulter support HRC

How do you explain that Rush Limbaugh is supporting Hillary?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/s ite_020708/content/01125114.guest.html
Rush has even asked listeners in Texas to vote for Hillary.

Ann Coulter is also an HRC supporter.

Truthfully, trying to claim that the Republicans know for sure what Democrat is easiest to beat is a waste of time.

by 1jpb 2008-02-16 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush and Coulter support HRC

Dumbness is a virtue easily found in Obama supporters, Here is Rush's logic of supporting Hillary:

Rush hates McCain. Rush knows only Hillary can beat McCain in general election. That is why he is asking his supporters to vote for Hillary.

Rush knows McCain will blow off fluffy Obama and then the 4 yrs of McCain will be the death Rush's "republican" propaganda.

by Sandeep 2008-02-16 10:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush and Coulter support HRC

How do you know that Rush knows BHO is easy to beat?  You should admit that you want HRC as the nominee, and no fact will ever change your mind.

It looks like HRC is having trouble with BHO even though she had all the advantages when she started.

HRC has huge negatives.

National polling shows BHO is stronger than HRC against McCain.

by 1jpb 2008-02-23 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp; Gamed [Update]

That's a mighty fine looking tin foil hat you got.

by Chili Dogg 2008-02-16 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp; Gamed [Update]

OK, I got directed to this by a friend, and I must say, I have never seen a bigger pile of crap in all my life.

40 percent of Obama voters in Iowa were Republicans? And you believe this? You don't think that would have been, you know, kind of a big story at the time?

Where do you get this nonsense and why do you spread it?

by Zeke12 2008-02-16 04:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp;amp; Gamed [Update]

Kos advised democratic MI voters to vote for Romney(he being the easiest to beat, in Kos' mind), it's not unheard of, this tactic, in fact it seems quite common.

by Marsha1 2008-02-16 05:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp;amp; Gamed [Update]

He says he based it on the figures given by CNN. Except that he misread the table at CNN.

Here are CNN's numbers for the Democratic Caucus in Iowa:

Republican (3%) of total

That was split between the candidates as follows:
Biden: 4%
Clinton: 10%
Dodd: 3%
Edwards: 32%
Kucinich: 2%
Obama: 44%
Richardson: 5%

So of all the votes cast for Obama in Iowa less then 1 1/2% were from Republicans. The 44% was his 44% share of the 3%.

So what's more pathetic? That the diarist concocts a whole conspiracy theory based on a dumbass misreading of a simple table or that he gets a bunch of mindless hyper partisans breathlessly thanking him for exposing the 'truth'?

by hankg 2008-02-17 02:06AM | 0 recs
Wow

And I thought Ron Paul had some nutty supporters...

by Purplepeople 2008-02-16 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp; Gamed [Update]
I'd be curious to get your perspective on how you think Hillary could actually win in November.  I don't live in a cave, I have friends and family that are Republicans and I when we have discussed politics, I hear non-stop negatives about Clinton but neutral or positive attitudes towards Obama.  
I live in Oregon and Rasmussen's latest state poll (taken this week) has Obama up 10 points over McCain and McCain up 2 points over Clinton.  Maybe this poll is just another conspiracy?  Maybe you could provide a listing of which states you believe Clinton could/would carry in November.
And no, I am not a plant, not a Republican operative, was not sent by Karl Rove nor a rogue agent bent on the destruction of the Democratic party, just a Democrat who had sipped some of that dangerous Obama koolaid and kinda liked it, I think I'm hooked.
by Rick in Eugene 2008-02-17 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp;amp; Gamed [Update]

Your last line, flippant in the face of a horror, don't go there.

by mady 2008-02-17 10:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama Unmasked &amp;amp; Gamed [Update]

After Obama takes Texas it will be over
http://www.pollster.com/08-TX-Dem-Pres-P rimary.php

..and of course you know the progressive net voice of Texas, Burnt Orange has endorsed Obama.

http://www.burntorangereport.com/

This will not come down to super delegates.

by nogo war 2008-02-17 11:35AM | 0 recs

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