Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Who makes peace? Is it the officials who forge an agreement and then sign the documents? Or is it the people who inspire others to change their minds.

In Northern Ireland you need both. And that is why it is "silly" to question Hillary's role in the peace process there.

No, her name does not appear on the Good Friday accord that formally ended hostilities, but Hillary Clinton not only helped to win the peace there, she is still working to maintain it. The people of Northern Ireland understand this, and they did so long before anyone on this side of the Atlantic questioned Hillary's role in the peace process.

In August 1999 the British Secretary for Northern Ireland, Mo Mowlam, told Ireland's Talk Magazine:

Hillary is one of the essential reasons we've had 18 months of relative peace. Without her we would have no economic boom.

If only the American newspapers that have published questions about Hillary's contribution had bothered to talk to the Irish, how different their story might have been.  Hillary supported in every way possible the thousands of Catholic and Protestant wives and mothers who were incalculable in winning the peace.   These were women it turned out, who were much like she is: strong at the broken places. Bobby Sands, a Republican freedom fighter by his own description, who died in 1981 of a hunger strike in Long Kesh prison, wrote:

There are praises of flowers who epitomize the unconquerable spirit of Irish womanhood. Let no man dare to scorn these women and let your weeds of indifference and sleeping roses blush in everlasting shame.

Hillary traveled to Northern Ireland seven times between 1995 and 2004, and she was the only First Lady in American history to visit that blood-soaked country even once.

Much of her work there was behind the scenes, but nothing was more critical than her advocacy and support of the women of Ireland. Senator George Mitchell, the chief negotiator at the North Ireland peace talks has said of Hillary,

She was very much involved in encouraging the emergence of women in the political process in Northern Ireland, which was a significant factor in ultimately getting an agreement.

In 1997 at the University of Ulster, County Antrim, Hillary delivered the first memorial lecture in memory of the recently deceased Belfast community worker, Mrs. Joyce McCartan who had lost 18 relatives during the Troubles. The two women had first met in 1995 on Hillary's first visit to Northern Ireland over a cup of tea at a women-run, drop-in centre on the Ormeau Road. Speaking to an audience of about 1,000 the First Lady passionately declared that Joyce McCartan and "all the brave women who had marched, cried, shouted and demanded peace for over 20 years deserved to be heard."

According to Irish journalist Susan Breen, "It was at this point in her speech, to her audience's delight she produced the stainless steel teapot that the Belfast woman had given her on that first visit. Clinton said she used it every day in her second-floor private kitchen in the White House, and had brought it back as a symbol of hope:

I don't know whether a Catholic or a Protestant made this teapot. I don't know whether a Catholic or a Protestant sold this teapot. I only know that this teapot serves me very well, and it stands for all those conversations around those thousands of kitchen tables where mothers and fathers look at one another with despair, because they cannot imagine the future will be any better for their children.

But this teapot also is on the kitchen table where mothers and fathers can look at one another and say: `We have to do better. We cannot permit this to go on. We have to take a stand for our children.'

Speaking directly to Northern Ireland's politicians, Hillary declared,

When the people want peace, it is the obligation of political leaders to find the common ground where it can thrive. That requires compromise and reconciliation.That involves postponing or even giving up one's cherished ideals in the belief that others will do the same to end the conflict.

Hillary also declared that the US would continue to play its part in support of the peace process.

A year later Hillary was back in Northern Ireland lending her voice to the struggle for peace in a keynote speech to the  `Women in Democracy' Vital Voices conference at an overflowing Waterfront Hall in Belfast. In the course of that speech she received two  standing ovations from an audience that included: the wife of the First Minister, Daphne Trimble; the RUC Chief Constable, Ronnie Flanagan; the Sinn Fein leaders, Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness and Pat Doherty; Ulster Unionist representatives Jim Wilson and Peter Weir; the US ambassador to Ireland, Jean Kennedy Smith; and the Chief Executive of the Northern Ireland Fair Employment Commission, Bob Cooper.

In her address Hillary declared that women's voices could not be ignored.

If you listen you can hear the voices of women who withstood jeers and threats to make themselves heard in the political world once reserved primarily for men...None of this would have been possible were it not for the courage and strength of generations of women.You will only move forward, and as you do please know that America will stand with you.

Clinton  praised the British Secretary for Northern Ireland, Dr. Mo Mowlam, for her "vision and dedication." She also said that women's voices must continue to be heard in

a Northern Ireland people have lived for, died for and, yes, finally voted for.

Referencing her planned visit  to Omagh, County Tyrone, later in the day, she said:

When my husband and I visit Omagh, we will pay tribute to those 29 people who were murdered by the enemies of peace.They were mostly women and children, Catholic and Protestant, unionist and nationalist, young and old. They were people simply living their lives, working in a drapery story, hanging out with friends, buying school uniforms for their children.

The terrorists targeted the people of Northern Ireland, and in response it was the people, all the people, who bravely stood side by side to say hatred and violence will no longer have a place here.We have chosen ballots not bombs, democracy not division. We have resolved to live in peace. We will never go back. We will only go forward.

Clinton said she was aware that the last few months had shown that the road to peace was not easy, but she had no doubt that the bombs and terrorists would not prevail. She also expressed delight when she was praised by a Derry student, Ms Fiona Hughes, who introduced her as a "role model to me and to young women around the world."

The Vital Voices conference, itself the product of an initiative begun a year earlier by US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and Hillary, had brought together over 400 Catholic and Protestant women to foster their rise to prominence and leadership and to ensure that their success helped support peace. Hillary also met privately with community workers and with women politicians in Northern Ireland to encourage them to take on a larger role. One of these community workers, Inez McCormack, a labor and fair employment advocate, said of the conference:

Hillary Clinton took risks for peace in asking me and others to bring women and communities from both traditions [Catholic and Protestant] to affirm their capacity to work for common purpose, She used her immense influence to give women like me space to develop this work and validated it every step of the way. This approach is now taken for granted but it wasn't then. She told us that if we take risks for peace, she would stay with us on that journey. In my experience, it took hard work, attention to detail and a commitment of time and energy which she delivered steadily and where needed over the last decade.

At the end of her Vital Voices speech, Monica McWilliams, clapped wildly and proclaimed,

Oh, do we need this woman here now!
McWilliams, is the peace activist who is now a member of the Northern Ireland Assembly, but who a year earlier in 1996 helped to found the Northern Ireland Women's Coalition, NWIC. This was a hastily put together assembly of women's groups so that women might have a voice at the bargaining table in the peace process after she and May Blood were told that only leaders of the top 10 political parties-all men-would be included in the peace talks. With only six weeks to organize, McWilliams and Blood gathered 10,000 signatures to create a new political party, the NIWC, and got themselves on the ballot. They were voted into the top 10 and earned a place at the table.

The NIWC's efforts paid off. The women drafted key clauses of the Good Friday Agreement regarding the importance of mixed housing, the particular difficulties of young people, and the need for resources to address these problems. The NWIC also lobbied for the early release and reintegration of political prisoners in order to combat social exclusion and pushed for a comprehensive review of the police service so that all members of society would accept it. Clearly, the women's prior work with individuals and families affected by "the Troubles" enabled them to formulate such salient contributions to the agreement. In the subsequent public referendum on the Good Friday Agreement, Mo Mowlam, then British Secretary of State for Northern Ireland, attributed the overwhelming success of the YES Campaign to the NIWC's persistent canvassing and lobbying.

May Blood, who is now a Baroness and member of the British House of Lords, but who worked for many years as a community leader in the Shankill area in West Belfast said of Hillary's role in the peace process:

The First Lady sent the message that the work and influence that grassroots women were undertaking within their communities was just as important as anything else that was taking place. I witnessed her building new confidence in women at the grassroots level and their stature grew within Northern Ireland as a consequence. All of a sudden they were being taken more seriously. The message we were also told by Hillary Clinton was that this work needed a political focus."

Blood, a local Belfast woman with no college education who spent 38 years working in a linen mill, knows a lot about taking women's work seriously.  From a single integrated school teaching 28 students [Catholic and Protestant] in Northern Ireland twenty-five years ago, May Blood achieved through grass roots activism 58 integrated schools teaching over 20,000 students in 2005.

Geraldine McAteer who is now Chief Executive of the West Belfast Partnership Board is another woman who remembers the importance of the Vital Voices Conference:

As First Lady, Hillary Clinton was extremely supportive of the peace process in Northern Ireland, and in particular, of the women who live here. In her visits during the peace process negotiations she met with women from a range of backgrounds and she recognized there was a real need to strengthen and support the voices of women in the post conflict context and get the needs of women and communities to the forefront of the new political agenda. She recognized that this would be best done through building the skills of women here. Through her Vital Voices Conference in September 1998, I and others were able to develop our skills for the betterment of our communities.

In 1999 Hillary became the first woman in history of the award to receive the  "Freedom of Galway" city. In this honor she joined former American Presidents John F. Kennedy and Ronald Reagan. She also visited the National University of Ireland, Galway, to deliver a lecture on "Our Obligations to Each Other: the Continuing Quest for Peace" and to receive an honorary degree.  In her acceptance speech of the Galway award Hillary said that since she first visited Northern Ireland in 1995 she had seen how far people had moved from history to hope in the agreements reached, in the conviction of political leaders and in the economic growth of the six counties. She said,

The silencing of the guns, the release of the prisoners and the election of a true representative assembly, were all fulfilling the promises of the Good Friday agreement.

But she added that the country needed the ordinary citizens of the North and South to keep up the everyday work of peace in their homes, schools and workplaces and communities.

The past century has taught us that hope is the only answer unless we are to give in to evil and indifference. Economic and social progress are possible, but only when people of different backgrounds and religions let go of the past and their differences and decide that the future offers greater promise than indifference or antipathy.

Returning to Northern Ireland in 2000, Hillary declared her everlasting commitment to the peace process and the rebuilding of Northern Ireland.

Women know there is no going back.
Speaking at a conference at the Grand Opera house in Belfast, Clinton said:

I know that building peace anywhere is never easy and there are always people who are the self appointed doom Sayers. They would rather throw up their hands than roll up their sleeves. But sleeves have been rolled up because woman after woman, daughter after daughter, mother after mother, grandmother after grandmother has made it clear there was no going back.The memories are too fresh of a time when women would worry if their husbands, sons, fathers, would return home alive after going out to work or to socialize.

The scars are so fresh... it takes no effort to pick up an automatic weapon compared to picking the pieces of one's life and building a better future.

Clinton compared those who wanted to return to the days of the Troubles, when people "knew the rules" to the followers of Moses who wanted to return to Egypt rather than travel through the desert to the Promised Land.

"There is always a back to Egypt committee or, in this case, a back to Troubles committee but none of us can afford to let that happen. History won't let us. The looks on our children's faces should not let us.This is one of those special moments when we have the chance to defy generations of hatred, a kind of moment that comes to all of us but is not recognized by many. It has been recognized here.

A day earlier Hillary had outlined her proposal to convene a gathering of women parliamentarians from Northern Ireland, Britain and the Republic of Ireland:

This convening of parliamentarians is a follow up to the Vital Voices conference which we held in Belfast two years ago, and is part of our ongoing efforts to make sure that women play a critical role in the peace process in Northern Ireland and in building a peaceful and prosperous island.

In her speech on Wednesday, Clinton added details about an information technology conference to be convened next year to ensure women do not end up on the wrong side of the "digital divide". So she announced it is also intended that politics and media experts from the US will travel to Belfast to hold seminars for community activists in the province. http://www.why-war.com/news/2001/05/15/w omenwag.htmlhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/u k_news/northern_ireland/1068705.stm

All of the preceding is why the Irish understand Hillary's role in the Irish peace process and are incensed by the notion that Hillary Clinton did not help win the peace. John Hume, the Catholic architect of the Good Friday agreement and recipient of the Nobel Prize has said he is surprised that anyone would question the importance of her work.

I can state from firsthand experience that she played a positive role for over a decade in bring peace to Northern Ireland.

But I think or order to fully appreciate Hillary's role in the peace one must fully appreciate the scope of the Troubles which began in 1967 and marched unabated through four decades. In that time the warfare became institutionalized at a level of violence that was both intolerable but apparently irreducible. It pitted Protestant gunmen and the Royal Ulster Constabulary--who had pretty much declared open season on all Catholics no matter age or sex-- against the Catholic Provisional Irish Republican Army who condoned violence against Protestants by virtue of being "at war." The British Army brought in to restore order after 1972 was both attacker and also attacked, sometimes by both sides. Before the Troubles ended 3,600 men women and children had died as a result of bombs, executions and paramilitary parades and 40,000 had been wounded. Young people it was found later had been at the highest risk of being killed, with almost 26 percent of all victims aged 21 or less and the 19-20 age group had the highest death rate for any age group in Northern Ireland.

But in talking about the Troubles it is important to remember they were essentially a battle over civil rights for Catholics in Protestant dominated Ulster, and a war between the Protestant majority who wanted to unite with Great Britain and the Catholic minority who wanted to unite with the Irish Free State. Eventually in 1972, in response to the escalating strife, Great Britain dismissed the government and took over direct control of the province. This return to British rule was brutal. Bloody Sunday is when a Catholic march for civil rights including an end to internment of political prisoners was attacked by a British Parachute Regiment killing 14 unarmed civilians in January of 1972 in Derry. Many believe it was possibly the IRA's biggest recruitment drive ever on one single day.  The Battle of Bogside was a three-day riot between unarmed Catholic residents of the Bogside section of Derry and the Royal Ulster Constabulary. Hunger strikes by IRA internment detainees or suspects detained without trial began in the early 1980's and before it ended ten prisoners starved to death, among them Bobby Sands in 1981. Bloody Friday is when 20 Provisional IRA bombs took 9 lives. The deaths of 29 unarmed civilians in Omagh have already been cited. But the hard fact is someone or many some ones died or were injured every day for close to 40 years. Northern Ireland was a war zone where children as young as three threw bottles and understood they were at war.  The country was held up everywhere as the world's most intractable conflict equal to that of Israel and Palestine.

In this hopeless situation Hillary Clinton traveled there repeatedly to hold out hope and the promise of a brighter future. She reached out to the women who were the victims, but certainly not the architects of the Troubles and everywhere she traveled she brought inspiration, assistance and attention.

Joanna McVey, former CEO of the Fermanagh-published Impartial Reporter newspaper and chair of the Fermanagh Trust said,

She turned empathy into action, her iconic address to the first Vital Voices conference in Belfast in 1998 was truly inspirational and her ongoing support for women's roles in peace building and the transformation of economic and political life in the North was manifested through other initiatives and her own personal involvement.

John Hume has declared many times:

She visited Northern Ireland, met with very many people and gave very decisive support to the peace process. In private she made countless calls and contacts, speaking to leaders and opinion makers on all sides, urging them to keep moving forward.

But it was Hillary more than any other established political figure who understood it was the women who would make the difference.  And she knew this by listening to them. Scores of women  had virtually no lives left at all. The Troubles had swallowed them whole. And so she saw this as the critical place from which peace might not only spring, but also go on to endure.

This is from an American student's essay on women's role in forging the peace:

Catholic women got the first wake up call by the troubles with the introduction of internment. Their husbands were often taken away for over a year. For the first time, these women were alone, needing to support themselves and their families. They had to find their independence. Realizing the depths of their isolation, many young mothers reached out to each other to try to cope with their new circumstances. These conversations often started on the cramped mini bus trips to visit their husbands in prison. Together they moved past self-preservation to community organization. Women would patrol the streets at night to identify which young men were picked up by the British Army and where they were taken. This would be the only information parents would have about their sons.
The women soon wanted to be proactive and started evening programs to get the teens off the streets and away from the temptation to throw stones and to heckle police and soldiers. The women provided support for themselves and their communities to face the daily traumas of fear and violence. They became community leaders.
http://pages.nyu.edu/~mr10/IreHse/Essay. html

And these are the women Hillary reached out to, supported, and endorsed. Clinton's visits to Ireland and her work for Irish peace is the subject of a book being published later this year by Stella O'Leary, the Washington DC President of the Irish American Democrats. O'Leary has said,

Starting with the Christmas visit to Belfast in 1995, Hillary Clinton recognized that the participation of women was critical to bringing about an end to the conflict, and she set about inspiring women to become politically involved.

The following is an email submitted by Rekha Varma on Jan 10, 2008 at 01:13. It raises an absolutely critical point. In this important primary season as America chooses the Democratic party's standard bearer, if we falsify and deny Hillary's role in Northern Ireland, we may end up denying ourselves her leadership in working with Iraq.

Please can the someone from the US Press share this information with Americans, because they are completely unaware of the international role that Hillary played as 1st lady, and the US Press is making no sincere effort to do any research, ridiculing her role in N.Ireland as just sipping tea with women & watching her husband negotiate with leaders. Hillary played an overlooked independent role in working with the community to achieve de facto peace, via creating opportunities for and encouraging Catholic & Protestant women & the young to unite over universal social issues that concerned them such as the safety of their families, the role of women in politics (causes that Hillary herself was passionate about) etc, Many feel that Hillary's experience in N.Ireland would be useful in suggesting how the Iraqi government can work with the various divisions within the community to unite over shared concerns of their children's future after the war ends. I've provided a list of primary sources below as evidence of her contribution to the N.Ireland peace process found via a simple google search.

All sources mentioned in this article, unless otherwise listed, are from newspaper and magazine stories found on http://www.hillaryworldwide.org, a meticulous and careful compilation of Hillary articles in the Irish press by a committed Irish woman.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, John Hume, Mo Mowlan, Norterhn Ireland, peace (all tags)

Comments

67 Comments

Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Now we know that Hillary can and did inspired people who hate each other to agree on a common ground and bring peace and prosperity to the country.

by JoeySky18 2008-03-12 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Look, can we admit that Hillary was interested in the peace process, but had nothing to do with it.

I live in Belfast and not only do most people (Catholic, Protestant, otherwise) find her claim egotistical AT BEST (come on, they were working on "peace" for years before she even knew where the place was), they find her claim "I brought peace to N.Ireland" offensive.

Do you know how long it took? How hard fought the battle was? How personal and local the battle was? For her to state that she "brought" peace to NI is not only a lie, it's offensive to the many people who actually risked their lives, careers, and families to get to a place nobody ever thought possible.

It's offensive.

by vadasz 2008-03-12 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Yeah - John Hume and Gerry Adams don't know feck all when they talk about her role in the whole peace effort.

No - we can not admit she had nothing to do with it.  If you dismiss what she did then you dismiss all that came after regarding the countless women who banged yer heads together and said ENOUGH!

And by the way... nobody's sayin she "brought peace" to the North. I've been following this latest dust-up closely - read all her press releases and NOWHERE has she or anyone from her campaign said that she "brought peace to the North".

by alegre 2008-03-12 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Look, I didn't "attach" the diary. And I'm not "attacking" Hillary Clinton.

Perhaps she didn't say she "brought" peace to N. Ireland, but she certainly said she "helped bring" peace to N. Ireland in the context of discussing her potential to be C-in-C.

I simply think that's an overstatement. I'm not the only one:

"I don't know there was much she did apart from accompanying Bill [Clinton] going around . . . She visited when things were happening, saw what was going on, she can certainly say it was part of her experience. I don't want to rain on the thing for her but being a cheerleader for something is slightly different from being a principal player."
--Lord Trimble.

I don't question her commitment to peace. I question the lengths to which she'll go to claim involvement in important processes in which she had little important involvement at all.

I don't see how raising such questions is "trolling" or attacking. But if that's the way it is around here . . . enjoy your party.

by vadasz 2008-03-13 05:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Where do you live in Belfast?

Sandy Row?

You wouldn't quote that arse "Lord" Trimble if you are from Belfast. That's a dead giveaway for a liar. lol...no one can stand that tosser.

by Tennessean 2008-03-13 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Where do you live in Belfast?

Just for the record, I never said I was 'from' Belfast. I said I currently live here (from last September). I don't think it makes me an 'expert' on all things N. Irish, and I was offering my observations.

I realize that people tend to associate with like-minded individuals, so the fact that I've yet to meet a)one Hillary 'supporter'* here or b) one local who will willfully admit to her 'important' role in the peace process probably says more about my friends and colleagues than it does about 'facts on the ground,' but I was only offering it as an observation.

And while I might agree that Trimble is an 'arse' (or might not), there are plenty of people who might make the same claims about Paisley, Adams, McGuinness and so on.

Just because Trimble may have been or may be an arse doesn't mean he wasn't intimately involved in the process and isn't sentient enough a person (he feeds himself, doesn't he) to recall it.

*I use 'supporter' loosely as, of course, I'm aware that non-US citizens can't vote so it's irrelevant (and, for the record, I am a US citizen).

by vadasz 2008-03-13 02:30PM | 0 recs
Go lagaí maorlathaí míthrócaireach do bhall fearg

Go dtachta an diabhal do chroí.

you are so full of it!

what a rolling pack of lies in so few words.

Go n-ithe na péisteoga do thóin bheagmhaitheasach.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Go lagaí maorlathaí míthrócaireach do bhall f

I have no idea what you said but if you told him to eat shit and die, Right On!

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Go lagaí maorlathaí míthrócaireach do bhall f

WAY BEYOND THAT.

BUT OF COURSE, GAEILGE IS NEVER  VULGAR.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Go lagaí maorlathaí míthrócaireach do bhall f

lol, you tell em!

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Your comments to a beautiful diary full of facts like this one is what is offensive.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:24PM | 0 recs
Go gcreime scata Fomhórach ólta do ghrianán rúnda

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:30PM | 0 recs
the Irish disagree with you

what is disrespectful is telling them they do not know what they are talking about.  Did you even read the diary?

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

I can't believe you use Bobby Sands's legacy to promote HRC. I'm sure he starved himself to death just so she could become president.

Jesus, is nothing sacred to you people?

by vadasz 2008-03-12 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

I was going to say... you can't talk about the history of the North without mentioning the H Block or the hunger strikers.

But then the same could be said about those 29 people who were killed in Omagh.

Or the Quinn boys who were burned to death when some monster threw a petrol bomb through their window because their mother had the temerity to be living with / married to a man from the other tradition.

Or what a friend's mother who died of a heart attack because help couldn't get to her during marching season?

Or the father of a friend who died in a car bomb because he was in the RUC?

Or the father of another friend who was killed - same way - by the loyalists?

There's more than enough suffering to go around folks.  Let's not hold one above the others and say discussion's off limits because you object to one of the folks who worked to help stop the violence ok?

by alegre 2008-03-12 05:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

I don't 'object' to Hillary Clinton. I don't favor her as a candidate, that's true. And I find her claims about her role in Northern Ireland to be overreaching (at best).

My concern with the Bobby Sands reference is that the writer is trying to tie him to her by a very loose association. Just as Clinton supporters get upset when Obama supporters do contortions to tie him to MLK, it upsets me to see such a tenuous association made in a diary professing to "prove" her role in the N. Ireland peace process. Use the contemporaneous quotations all you want (although I'd prefer to see more substance--like what she actually did than what people say about her), but leave the martyr's memory free of this kind of partisan bickering.

Call me an ass, tell me to eat shit and die, or worse. Fine, I've only been around these parts for a week or so, but I guess that's how you all roll here. Sorry to offend you with an opposing view.

by vadasz 2008-03-13 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

You really should be supporting Hillary because not only does she fully support universal health care but she has a special emphasis for healthcare for the mentally disabled.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:31PM | 0 recs
Is minic a bhris béal duine a shrón"

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:32PM | 0 recs
It is not Clinton's fault that Obama has

such a pitifully thin resume compared to him.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:17PM | 0 recs
'him' ?

Uh oh...the subconscious desire for another term for Bill peaking through?

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-13 07:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

You sound like my dad, a full-blown conservative, who's convinced that Regan ended communism in
Europe with no regard for the people who spent their lives fighting to overthrow the system.

Hmmmm, must've been Hillary's tea that brought tea. No, it wasn't the thousands of deaths, or the inequality, or the focus of world attention. It was her Majesty.

Don't you know that there are countries outside the US and that their concerns often have little to do with which America politician can claim their successes as their own? Come on, now? I thought you were supposed to be progressive.

by vadasz 2008-03-12 05:03PM | 0 recs
Go dtachta an Bhadhbh do chat.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

You are a real piece of work. Or is that a piece of something else?

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:32PM | 0 recs
Marbh le tae agus marbh gan é

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:33PM | 0 recs
if joey was your Dad

you would have more sense.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

EXCELLENT

as someone living in the North, having lived thought this I remember only too well the strong effort Sen Clinton put in! She was paramount in bringing women into government here and she was an impetus to the peace process on many fronts!!

GREAT WORK!!

by pangurdubh 2008-03-12 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

And I bet if we dig farther, Hillary has had a part in inspiring people to action in many other parts of the world as well.

Being on the front-line and taking all the kudos does not mean that credit is not due to the many others who made substantial contributions to the result.

by cjbardy 2008-03-12 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Great work here. Recommended.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-12 02:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

I'm continually amazed at all that Hillary brings to the table. Great diary thanks.

by roseeriter 2008-03-12 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

You should get this posted on http://www.hillaryhub.com/.  Nice diary!

by JustJennifer 2008-03-12 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Wow, great job. Where are those Obama supporters that try to put down her accomplishments on a consistant basis?

by Christopher Lib 2008-03-12 02:25PM | 0 recs
They probably gave up

at first sight of the massive work and impressive handling of the source material behind this piece.

:-)

It's a great diary.

by DemAC 2008-03-12 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

They're all having a circle jerk with Keith Olbermann over at daily kos tonight.

That guy's lost it - he's really lost it.  Sold out to the corporate big shots to attract ratings so he's going after a fine and decent Democrat like Hillary.

by alegre 2008-03-12 05:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

ROFLMAO!

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Once again, my apologies. (This only happens when I'm at work and shouldn't be here in the first place.)

by Inky 2008-03-12 02:46PM | 0 recs
Keep the truth coming Linfar,

it's getting to be in short supply.  Great diary.  Thank you.  Recommended.

by Gabriele Droz 2008-03-12 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Keep the truth coming Linfar,

Come on,

promote your candidate as strongly as you can, but HRC had nothing to do with peace in N. Ireland.

Get over it.

by vadasz 2008-03-12 05:06PM | 0 recs
Go gcreime scata Fomhórach ólta do ghrianán rúnda

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Go gcreime scata Fomhórach ólta do ghrianán r

I wish I could read your mind but strangely I think I know what you just said.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Go gcreime scata Fomhórach ólta do ghrianán r

JUST KNOW IT HAS TO DO  WITH MY WISH THAT A PACK OF DRUNKEN FOMORIANS DOES SOMETHING EQUALLY NASTY TO THIS BRUTISH FELLOW.

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 06:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Keep the truth coming Linfar,

What the hell is your problem?

You disagree with the diarist then ya MIGHT want to take it up with John Hume and Gerry Adams, along with a whole host of others who say you're wrong here.

by alegre 2008-03-12 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Keep the truth coming Linfar,

Why the hostility? I think I've made my "problem" clear. If we can't disagree, then what kind of party is this?

Anyway, you might want to have a look at this:
http://blog.washingtonpost.com/fact-chec ker/2008/01/clinton_and_northern_ireland .html

Here are some relevant excerpts:

'I just spoke to Senator George Mitchell, the Clinton administration's leading Northern Ireland peace negotiator, who said that Hillary was "not involved directly" in the diplomatic negotiations that led to the landmark April 1998 Good Friday agreement on power-sharing. On the other hand, Mitchell credits Clinton with taking an intelligent interest in the issues and getting acquainted with many of the key players.'

and . . .

'Chris Thornton, a political reporter for the Belfast Telegraph, said that Hillary Clinton's visits to northern Ireland contributed to the "mood music" that made an eventual settlement possible, but were hardly key to reaching an agreement. "Would we have reached a settlement without that kind of stuff? Yes. Would we have got one without the intervention of Bill Clinton and George Mitchell? No."'

So, Clinton had a vested interest in the process. That is a good thing and she should be proud of it and I wouldn't criticize it. But she played no role in actually achieving the peace.

by vadasz 2008-03-13 02:54PM | 0 recs
troll

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

GREAT diary Linfar!

Impressively well researched. Definitely Rec'd

by DemAC 2008-03-12 02:52PM | 0 recs
Thank you

While I always recognized that Sen. Clinton played a role in the ending The Troubles, in a comment some time back I claimed (citing Mitchell) that her role was minimal.

Your diary has changed my mind.  I was wrong.  Her role was significant and I applaud her for that.

And I applaud you for educating me.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-12 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you

I'll tell everyone I talk to who claims Sen. Clinton is nothing but tea and crumpets.  And I'll give them the link to your diary if it's email "talking".

That's at least a small contribution!

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-12 04:07PM | 0 recs
come on, some one give this person some 2s

good job being open minded, thanks.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

A truly GREAT diary. Your research and your passionate quest for truth speaks eloquently. While I expect that the detractors will stick to their Obama perpetrated myth it is clear from your beautiful writing that Hillary led when a leader is exactly what was needed. She was then as she is now, a genuine leader that I will gladly follow. Anywhere.

Thank you Lin!

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 03:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

It is more than a little difficult. I listened to NPR today and they talked about Hillary's contributions to foreign policy. It started out well and fair, reporting exactly what she had done but then another reporter was brought in at the end and he made statements to the effect that the Obama campaign had disputed what she had done and then spoke about something one of the detractors said and that was the end of the segment. It's always the same. They find a way one way or another to diminish her contributions no matter what she does and no matter how much evidence there is to back up her claims. If it isn't sexism what is it?

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Speaking for myself I bust out with great pride when I read of or listen to her achievements.

You may want to consider adding this link to your diary. It's a beautiful video of Hillary's accomplishments in Ireland as well as thanks from the folks there that know for a fact how much she contributed.

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZhStKZgv eI

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Not that I know of.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-12 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?
Linfar, thanks for this very substantive and well-researched diary. What you have given us is some truth about Hillary Clinton's involvement in foreign affairs. Thank you. This is the stuff that brings reality to the forefront...I wish more people would have access to it, would pay attention to it and would read it. Wonderful job.
Hillary is the change we really need!!!!!!!!!
by susanclare 2008-03-12 04:19PM | 0 recs
Obama supporters: PLEASE READ THIS DIARY

Linfar,thank you so much for this diary.  I really and truly believe that most Obama supporters don't know this side of Hillary Clinton even exists.  They don't know her battles.  They don't know her history.  The just have the vague negative views produced by a decade of Republican attacks.

The more time that I have put in working for Hillary's candidacy the more I have come to admire her.  She really is a national treasure.  Any honest-minded Obama supporter should really make an investment in finding out Hillary's real history.  Not Bill's history.  And not the history that the Republicans made up.

Hillary's campaign needs to wake up too.  Hillary has a wealth of really appealing ideas, experiences and accomplishments.  Her campaign people ought to make more of an effort to sell Hillary.  She's the real deal.

by dbrown04 2008-03-12 04:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Wow - just wow.

What an amazing post Linfar.  I was going to put something together but you just put to shame anything I could have come up with.

And I know these issues cold.

Well done!

by alegre 2008-03-12 05:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's a Treasure

 Indeed she is. And I am incredibly proud to be supporting her.
  It is interesting though how much "light" is trying to come thru The Sacred Feminine? It would figure that the male dominated media and other areas would so much like to "shut her down" so what else is new.at did only work for so long with the church where Mary Magdalene was concerned.

Turns out she wasn't an evil prostitiute afterall...

 namaste.

 

by artsyker 2008-03-12 05:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's a Treasure

in the 80s the church was teaching that she was a leader among women.  Now I think most people have to admit she was a leader among people.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:46PM | 0 recs
Obama campaign

So, the Obama campaign sent a memo around claiming that Hillary had nothing to do with the Irish peace process. Now that this has been proven wrong, I don't hear Clinton supporters screaming, "LIARS!  You are dividing our party with your LIES and your NEGATIVITY, you must drop out you REPUBLICAN."  

by nascardem 2008-03-12 05:35PM | 0 recs
they knew they were wrong at the time

they also know the media will cover for them.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-03-12 06:50PM | 0 recs
made me giggle.

your portrayal has a harpie quality that is admirable.

FWIW I do see a bit of this, just not in such stark  terms.=)  We Hillary supporters are more subtle with our rage... we fester.

by hctb 2008-03-13 12:29AM | 0 recs
Tada gan iarracht

Trína chéile a thógtar na caisleáin

Tús maith, leath na hoibre !!!

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 05:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Tada gan iarracht = Nothing without effort


Trína chéile a thógtar na caisleáin

Tús maith, leath na hoibre

=
In our 'togetherness'as a team, castles are built.

A good start is half the work

by John Wesley Hardin was a Friend to the Poor 2008-03-12 06:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

Great diary; a very good side of Clinton as a candidate.  There's a limit to how much her experience as First Lady will apply to her foreign policy qualifications, I think, but this is a great example of her using her role in Bill's administration to great effect.

Recommended.

by Koan 2008-03-12 06:01PM | 0 recs
Re: one of many Hillary's accomplishments

Bravo, great article.
thanks for taking the time and dedication
to research and write this diary.

this is only one of many Hillary's accomplishments.
makes me proud to be a Hillary supporter.

;o)

by toddy 2008-03-12 07:16PM | 0 recs
Love me some Mo Mowlam

She is the real reason there is peace in Northern Ireland.  If anyone should be viewed as the authority on who and who didn't play a role in the process there, it is this woman.

Check her out- there is a good little video here too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4 126986.stm

I fell in love with her after her death.  At some point she had made a historical documentary that I caught on late night tele while studying in the UK.  I don't really remember the subject of the film, but she was so passionate, so into her subject that I fell in love.

by linc 2008-03-12 07:50PM | 0 recs
It was the

"These are the Britons" documentary, or something like that.  Randomly secondary the the amazing grace and thoughtfulness of this woman, but I sure do love the way she talked about things- she could get me interested in a five hour lecture on the mating patterns of a dung beetle!

Fantastic diary, btw.

by linc 2008-03-13 05:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's Irish Legacy: Just Tea?

testing

by Zorkon 2008-03-13 07:48AM | 0 recs
Nice diary

very informative. Thanks.

by votermom 2008-03-13 07:53AM | 0 recs

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