Rush's Dittoheads May Have Tipped Texas Primary to Hillary

With numbers like these it is clear that the Texas Primary would have been a whole lot closer if not a narrow Obama victory if not for the malicious meddling by HeadRush's army of Dittoheads.

Many voting for Clinton to boost GOP

For a party that loves to hate the Clintons, Republican voters have cast an awful lot of ballots lately for Senator Hillary Clinton: About 100,000 GOP loyalists voted for her in Ohio, 119,000 in Texas, and about 38,000 in Mississippi, exit polls show.

It is also possible, though perhaps unlikely, that enough strategically minded Republicans voted for Clinton in Texas to give her a crucial primary victory there: Clinton received roughly 119,000 GOP votes in Texas, according to exit polls, and she beat Obama by about 101,000 votes.

Just think, Hillary may well have had to shut down her campaign in early March if not for HeadRush's 100,000 knuckel draggers in Texas.

Hillary is pleased with the outcome.

HeadRush is pleased with the outcome.

McCain is pleased the outcome.

Democrats SHOULD NOT be pleased with unwanted meddling.

Walter Wilkerson, who has chaired the Republican Party in Montgomery County, Texas, since 1964, said many local conservatives chose to vote for Clinton for strategic reasons.

"These people felt that Clinton would be maybe the easier opponent in the fall," he said. "That remains to be seen."

Wilkerson added, "We have not experienced any crossover of this magnitude since I can remember."

-Boston Globe

Will the Dittoheads be able to distort the result of the upcoming open primary in Indiana?

Will HeadRush and his wingnut zombies be able to give the Clinton campaign enough life support to go all the way to the convention?

crossposted at dkos

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Rush Limbaugh, Texas primary (all tags)

Comments

30 Comments

How do you feel about...

Obama's Democrat for a day campaign in Pennsylvania?

Hillary didn't ask for Republican votes. Obama has, and continues to do so.

Are you comfortable with a leading Democratic candidiate purposefully gaming the system so he could accrue votes?

Hillary isn't asking Pennsylvania Republicans to vote for her next month, Obama is.

by njsketch 2008-03-25 07:02PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

I, for one, am very comfortable with the notion of GROWING the democratic party.

I know it may be difficult for you to believe, but some repubs are switching not because they hate Hillary or are somehow gaming the system, but because they've seen what 8 years of GOP rule has done to the country, their families, and their bank accounts.

by fogiv 2008-03-25 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...
Exactly right. It's a hassle to switch your party, then vote, then have to switch it back. It's hard to imagine very many people bothering to go through all that, and for what? I can't figure out why they would want to do that - just to accommodate Obama, since he asked them to do it? If they're willing to do it because they really like Obama then that's a great reason. If they don't like him then I really can't figure it out.

No, this idea some HRC people keep floating is nutty beyond belief.

by Becky G 2008-03-25 07:22PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

There MAY be Republicans who are genuinely leaving their party to vote for our guys, but have you ever met one? And if they exist, are they the ones voting for Hillary?  Or only Obama?

My daughters believed there were fairies in our garden, but I never saw one.

by donald169 2008-03-29 07:11PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

How disingenuous of you.  There is a difference between asking for the vote of people from other parties who support you and republicans voting in a primary to sabotage the results.

I can also scan for you a copy of what Obama is sending out in PA, it says nothing about being a democrat only for a day, which is good since you needed to be registered for a month before the primary.

by furiousxgeorge 2008-03-25 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

I especially liked this leaflet that the Obama campaign plastered around Nevada prior to the caucus:

You can be a Democrat for one day. Vote for Obama and then return to your voting status as you choose.

Everyone regardless of party is welcome to be a Democrat for one day and vote. Republicans, Independents, Everyone, you can make THE difference. If you think a Democrat will win in November and you don't want Hillary you can come to the Democratic Caucus and vote for Obama.

by njsketch 2008-03-25 07:14PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

Nice subject change.  Again, I can send you the mail I personally received from the Obama campaign here in PA.  I'm sorry if it hurts your talking point, but that is the way it is.

There is nothing wrong with asking for support from someone who wants you to win, or to ask someone to be a democrat to help you win.  People come to parties for all kinds of reasons, individual candidates is a pretty common one.

by furiousxgeorge 2008-03-25 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

yeah right. when obama begs for gop votes for a day it is ok. when hillary gets gop votes it is meddling. wtf is that?

by terrondt 2008-03-25 09:14PM | 0 recs
Re: How do you feel about...

Oh, my, my, my.

Throughout the entire primary, up until that point, both candidates had been getting a steady percentage of Republican votes. Obama 3-4%, Hillary 1-1.5%.

Suddenly, and inexplicably, the percentages shoot up, as high as double-digit numbers in Mississippi. All in favor of Hillary. All after Limbaugh's pronouncement. I personally know of a large group in Tom Green county in Texas who did it, for instance.

Nope, of course, no problem with this at all.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:24PM | 0 recs
A good journalist would post

figures of how many republican votes BHO has garnered.  I'm not going to go hunting right now, but as the author of this diary, you should.  Please go do so and add an update.  Thanks!

by aurelius 2008-03-25 07:07PM | 0 recs
Re: A good journalist would post

Those figures in the blockquotes come from the Boston Globe. My 100,000 figure was an educated guess for the Dittohead segment, out of the total of 119,00 Republicans who voted for Hillary.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-25 07:15PM | 0 recs
Re: A good journalist would post

You only included numbers of Republicans who voted for Hillary.  You need to include figures for the number of republicans who voted for Barack.  Making comparisons with only one half of the figures available is not a comparison at all.  That was my point.

by aurelius 2008-03-25 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: A good journalist would post

Gosh, now I have to start copy/pasting.

Throughout the entire primary, up until that point, both candidates had been getting a steady percentage of Republican votes. Obama 3-4%, Hillary 1-1.5%.

Suddenly, and inexplicably, the percentages shoot up, as high as double-digit numbers in Mississippi. All in favor of Hillary. All after Limbaugh's pronouncement. I personally know of a large group in Tom Green county in Texas who did it, for instance.

Nope, of course, no problem with this at all.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:25PM | 0 recs
Stats?

I'm willing to entertain your statements; I'd just like you to back them up with something.  That's all.  If I was going to post that, I would back it up with some facts.  Lack of facts, to me, equals conjecture/opinion.  

by aurelius 2008-03-25 09:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Stats?

No problem. This was on Talk of the Nation, I believe, on NPR. I'm gonna go see if I can hunt down the day it played- they've got all of the broadcasts in mp3 form on their website, should be easy enough to hunt up.

Point well made, though, I did forget to mention a source. Kudos, my friend! It's always good to be kept honest.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Stats?

It's not hard to find the truth, and the truth is that Rebublicans in Texas voted 53% for OBAMA and 46% for CLINTON.

Exit Polls:
 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21226009/

It's time the lie about GOP voters giving the Texas primary to Clinton is put to rest.

by donald169 2008-03-29 07:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads

Dear njsketch, there is a world of difference in a candidate seeking votes and quite another for an entertainer to order his mindless minions to do his bidding in order to sabatoge an election.  Surely even you can understand this.  What idiot face did is tatamount to voter fraud, and it ought to be pursued.  It was an orchestated sabatoge of the Dem. primaries!  How can you, a good Dem. not see this?

by PittsburghPete 2008-03-25 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads

What HeadRush did was perfectly legal in OPEN primaries.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-25 07:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads

He's right. Unfortunately, it is legal, as asinine as it was. I don't care who it benefits, it's just the worst sort of politics to purposely try to jack with the other party like that. Just encourages retaliation, and things go downhill from there.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads May Have Tipped Texas Primar

Hillary has 700,000 more democratic party member votes so than Obama.

So Obama's 700,000 popular lead is based on 1,400,000 NON-DEMOCRATS.

Obama is the GOP shill not Hillary

by DTaylor 2008-03-25 07:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads May Have Tipped Texas Primar

So, I guess all the people that were tired of the Republican party under Bush, independents who were the same, or identified with a message, should all go take a long walk off a short pier.

What a way to build a political party. Yup.

Maybe the fact Obama's bringing in fresh blood is a GOOD thing. The Democrats have long been known for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:28PM | 0 recs
If you are gonna do something, do it right.

Besides being three weeks late with your meme, you refused to even check county records to verify your claim. Here is how this is done:

I knew the race last night in Texas was going to be close, and I was watching the returns like any other political junkie when I noticed something odd. There is a dude north of San Antonio by the name of Gene Kelly. No, not the dancer, but people vote for him like he is. He is the ultimate glory candidate, never campaigns and usually does well enough to force costly run offs, just ask Barbara Ann Radnofsky. He cost her six figures in funds before she could face off in the general.

While it is his right to run, after that last debacle, and Gene Kelly's other fiasco runs, Democrats in Texas knew better to vote for him. It's a vote for Republicans. Anywho, we had a nice battle between Noriega and McMurrary on tap as well. So when I saw the spikes in Kelly, I started to notice a trend.

Let's take a look, and see what you decide.

We will be using this as our rule to see who to look into:
http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/datag raph.php?year=2004&fips=48&f=0&a mp;off=0&elect=0

To be viewed, the Texas County must have voted above 75% for Bush/Cheney in 2004.

From that list, we will be viewing how they voted last night, using the Houston Chronicle's results:
http://www.chron.com/apps/ElectionPub/lo cal.mpl?action=apdisplay&nextview=ap public&area=market&ru=Texas& election_id=1036

So, let's take a look, shall we?

Andrews County, 2004
Kerry    14.9%    677   
Bush    84.6%    3,837   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
674     53.8%
Barack Obama
448     35.8%

John McCain
480     48.8%
Mike Huckabee
446     45.4%

Archer    County
Kerry    19.7%    878   
Bush    79.9%    3,556   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
785     68.8%
Barack Obama
295     25.9%  

John McCain
742     57.6%
Mike Huckabee
457     35.5%

Armstrong County - THIS IS REPUBLICA!!!!
This county will vote Democrat over their cold dead bodies, moving on.

Austin County
Kerry    24.1%    2,582   
Bush    75.4%    8,072   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
1,746     58.4%
Barack Obama
1,218     40.7%

John McCain
1,412     48.2%
Mike Huckabee
1,165     39.8%

Bailey County   
Kerry    21.8%    525   
Bush    78.0%    1,882   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
306     60.4%
Barack Obama
175     34.5%

John McCain
375     55.1%
Mike Huckabee
266     39.1%

Bandera    County
Kerry    19.9%    1,738   
Bush    79.3%    6,933   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
954     54.0%
Barack Obama
783     44.3%

John McCain
2,312     56.8%
Mike Huckabee
1,155     28.4%


Borden County
Kerry    15.3%    55   
Bush    84.4%    303   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
93     66.9%
Barack Obama
32     23.0%

John McCain
0     0%
Mike Huckabee
0     0%
Yes, ZERO. In a county that went 82% Bush in 2004!


Bosque County
Kerry    23.9%    1,815   
Bush    75.6%    5,737   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
1,896     61.3%
Barack Obama
943     30.5%

John McCain
740     51.5%
Mike Huckabee
597     41.5%

Brown County
Kerry    17.7%    2,523   
Bush    81.7%    11,640   

Last night:
Hillary Clinton
1,717     65.8%
Barack Obama
803     30.8%

John McCain
2,860     55.2%
Mike Huckabee
1,902     36.7%

Carson County
Kerry    16.5%    485     
Bush    83.2%    2,450   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
399     69.5%
Barack Obama
148     25.8%

Coke County
Kerry    16.5%    266   
Bush    83.1%    1,338   

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
405     53.4%
Barack Obama
226     29.8%  

John McCain
65     48.1%
Mike Huckabee
57     42.2%

Okay, we're gonna stop at Coke, you can see the trend here. Any county that has long trended heavily Republican suddenly, and magically, went for Hillary last night. There are many counties where no Republican primary votes were even casted, instead the entire population went Democratic, and always for Hillary.

As a control, let's see how a few voted where Kerry wasn't slaughered in 2004:

Dallas County
Kerry    49.0%    336,641   
Bush    50.3%    346,246

Last Night:
Hillary Clinton
113,361     38.1%
Barack Obama
182,369     61.3%

John McCain
47,213     51.3%
Mike Huckabee
36,487     39.7%

Jefferson County:
Kerry    51.2%    47,066   
Bush    48.4%    44,423   

Hillary Clinton
17,242     40.4%
Barack Obama
24,721     57.9%

John McCain
4,060     53.1%
Mike Huckabee
2,771     36.2%

Now, Texas is an open primary, so people can do whatever they want. While far be it for me to tell Republicans not to start voting Democratic, at least show some restraint in the Democratic Senator race. In all these formerly Republican stronghold that are now Hillary Country, Gene Kelly almost always carry the day over both McMurrary and Noriega.

Of course, it's also hard to have entire counties vote one way, as is the case with several, including lovable Throckmorton County. So I gonna venture 3 possibilities:

1) Texas wingnuts still listen to Rush and does what he says. Out in the backwoods of Texas, talk radio is still the primary news source. If you note, a lot of the counties that went heavily for Hillary after being Bush Country are what can best be described as rural. I am sure there are more creative names. So they went in the open primary, and voted Hillary like a good Dittohead. Then they couldn't resist pulling the level for Kelly as well.

2) The backwoods are still in the control of boxes and travelers. This use to be how all of Texas was ran. A good reading of any of the LBJ books by Caro will properly describe this era where backrooms and old legacies still controlled huge blocks of votes. While the machine died a little in the 70s during the Republican Transformation of Texas, it appears as if in some places that time forgot the Old Order is still in charge and can deliver just like the good ol' days. Which leads to:

2a) The Old Order decided that McCain versus Hillary looks better than McCain versus Obama.

2b) The Old Order made a deal, and someone made a deal with these Devils.

3) Across Texas, decades of voting Republican were tossed aside as Texas turned blue and decided even though they have despised her for years, rural conservatives are now flocking to Hillary Clinton. Hey, it's Texas, weirder things have happened.

You might also say, but PT, what about the valley? That was Democratic in 2004, and it went heavily Hillary? Answer to that lies in a playful mixture of point 2 followed by a look into the electoral history of primaries in the valley, especially Hidalgo and Duval counties.

I still am not sure exactly what happened, though I do plan on asking around. But even if the Old Order tells me, I won't share, you will have to decide for yourselves why these reddest parts of Texas suddenly found it in their hearts to start voting Democratic. And why they all decided to vote Hillary, and Kelly.

And on a lighter note, at least you don't have to put this county down every time you vote:
http://www.chron.com/apps/ElectionPub/lo cal.mpl?action=apdisplay&nextview=ap public&area=all&div=CTY&elec tion_id=1036&ru=Glasscock

by pinche tejano 2008-03-25 07:39PM | 0 recs
Re: If you are gonna do something, do it right.

Excellent post! Used to live in San Angelo, frequently visited Houston/Galveston/Dallas/Austin/Midland- Odessa/et all. Very well researched.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:30PM | 0 recs
Not according to factcheck.org or the Dallas News

Hillary had no more republican crossover votes in Texas or Ohio according to factcheck.org and The Dallas Morning News.

"Q. Did 10 percent of Hillary's votes come from "Limbaugh Democrats" in the Ohio and Texas primaries?
On the "far right" radio talk shows there has been discussion about how 10 percent of the votes for Hillary were created by Republican crossover votes in both Texas and Ohio. I know that Republicans have been doing this for many years, but a 10 percent crossover is a very substantial quantity of votes. Is this a true fact?
A: According to exit polls, she didn't get that many of her votes from Republicans, and it's hard to know how many of those she did get were the result of Rush Limbaugh's exhortations.
Conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh began suggesting weeks before the March 4 primaries that Republicans vote for Hillary Clinton, because she would be easier than Barack Obama for the GOP nominee to beat in November. Good numbers are hard to come by, though, and we'd take what you're hearing with a grain of salt."

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/di d_10_percent_of_hillarys_votes_come.html

Further:

"Although some conservative talk show hosts had urged Republicans to cross over
and vote for Mrs. Clinton in order to keep the contest going, there was little
evidence that happened.

According to exit polls, only 9 percent of Democratic voters statewide
identified themselves as Republicans, and they went for Mr. Obama, 53 percent to
46 percent."

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/ dws/dn/latestnews/stories/030908dnpoldem voters.3a5249f.html

by mcctx 2008-03-25 07:42PM | 0 recs
"unwanted meddling"

So when Republicans vote for Clinton, it's "unwanted meddling," but when they meddle on behalf of Obama, it's wanted? Just to be clear.

by Rome890 2008-03-25 09:21PM | 0 recs
Re: "unwanted meddling"

Throughout the entire primary, up until that point, both candidates had been getting a steady percentage of Republican votes. Obama 3-4%, Hillary 1-1.5%.

Suddenly, and inexplicably, the percentages shoot up, as high as double-digit numbers in Mississippi. All in favor of Hillary. All after Limbaugh's pronouncement. I personally know of a large group in Tom Green county in Texas who did it, for instance.

Nope, of course, no problem with this at all.

by ragekage 2008-03-25 09:31PM | 0 recs
Not inexplicably

McCain wrapped up the Republican Primary. That accounts for the jump in Republicans crossing over.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-26 04:47AM | 0 recs
Re: "unwanted meddling"

HeadRush's Dittoheads who turned out by the tens of thousands won't be voting for either Democrat in the Fall.

by Lefty Coaster 2008-03-26 04:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads May Have Tipped Texas Primar

From my polling, Obama's surge in the TX polls in late February was from voters who were voting Obama in the primary but would vote against him in the general. In my 2/20 poll, 15% of his votes came from these temporary Dems, vs 6% of Clinton's votes. That would be about a four point swing on the margin.

After Rush started pushing for Clinton votes, the percentages started to balance out. In my last poll that predicted a 3.2% Clinton win, very close to the actual 3.5% Clinton win, Obama only had about a one point margin among these gamers. Rush didn't tip it to Clinton, but he may have prevented the gamers from tipping it to Obama.

Both candidates got a significant number of Bush voters who said they would also vote D in November. Clinton would get mostly female crossovers, while Obama got slightly more men than women.

by IVR Polls 2008-03-26 06:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Rush's Dittoheads May Have Tipped Texas Primar

Again, look at the actual Texas exit polls!

Republicans--9% of Dem primary votes.
          Of these, 53% went to OBAMA
                    46% went to CLINTON.

THERE WERE MORE REPS FOR OBAMA THAN CLINTON, and the DEMOCRATS voted 53% for her and 46% for him.
Independents split--49 for him, 48 for her.

Why do Obama supporters find it necessary to cling to false, untrue claims in this matter??

by donald169 2008-03-29 07:27PM | 0 recs

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