Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Update [2008-2-15 12:30:34 by Larr Johnson]: We used TinyUrl to make all of the links available to you because MyDD's software doesn't allow the ID tag within URLs.

As Democrats and Independents weigh who they want to run against John McCain in the fall, answer this question.  Can you support a candidate who is friends with terrorists?  Can you support a candidate who takes money from terrorists?  Well, if Obama is your man you have some problems.  Today's Bloomberg News drops this bombshell:

Besides Rezko and Giannoulias, Obama could face questions about his  relationship with William Ayers, a former member of the radical group the  Weather Underground who is now a professor of education at the University of  Illinois in Chicago. Ayers donated $200 in 2001 to Obama's Illinois state Senate  campaign and served with him from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund,  an anti-poverty group.

A Series of Bombings

The Weather Underground carried out a series of bombings in the early 1970s  -- including the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. While Ayers was never prosecuted  for those attacks, he told the New York Times in an interview published Sept.  11, 2001, that ``I don't regret setting bombs.''

Bill Burton, Obama's spokesman, said Ayers ``does not have a role on the  campaign.'' Ayers said he had no comment on his relationship with Obama.

Does not have a role on the campaign?   Well thank God for that.  Are you kidding me?

Peter Hitchens was the first to hint at this relationship, but Tim Burger nails it.  William Ayers is an American terrorist.  What else do you call someone who plants bombs at Federal facilities?  William Ayers has not been prosecuted for the bombings, but he was directly involved.  

He admits this.  And do not give me the nonsense that he was fighting for a good cause.  Martin Luther King's message of non-violence had no place in the political ideology of Mr. Ayers.  And Ayers is unrepentant.

First, Ayers contributed money to Obama.

Your search found 1 receipts totaling $200.00











Contributed ByAmountReceived ByDescription
Ayers, William
1329 E. 50th Street
Chicago, IL 60615
$200.00   4/2/2001Individual Contribution

Friends of Barack Obama.

Second, this is more than a casual acquaintance.  Obama and Ayers served together on the board of the Woods Fund.  Did Obama and Ayers do more than simply sit side-by-side?  Did they steer money to favored groups?  Those are questions that journalists not bowing at the feet of the Obama god need to ask.

At a minimun this reminds us that there is a pattern of bad judgment by Obama.  He goes in on a land deal with Tony Rezko even though he knows Rezko is a target of a Federal investigation.  And his explanation?  A mistake in judgment.  Now this.  Anyone thinking of running for President should know they cannot take money from a terrorist and they cannot serve on a board with a terrorist.  Period.  But this simple lesson apparently escapes the brilliant constitutional law professor.

This much we do know.  Obama does not deny having a relationship with William Ayers.  Obama has never repudiated the terrorism of William Ayers.  If you think this is a record Obama can run on in the fall and survive you are living in an alternate universe.  It is time to get some clear answers to tough questions before the Democrats sell their soul to someone whose lapses in judgment will come back to  haunt them in the fall.

Tags: Barack Obama, Tony Rezko, Weather Underground, William Ayers, Woods Fund (all tags)

Comments

95 Comments

Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

This is right wing talking points.

by tom32182 2008-02-15 06:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

This is MILD compared to how the GOP will attempt to massacre Obama in the GE.

by KnowVox 2008-02-15 06:26AM | 0 recs
And there it is

HRC has had it all already and is still around.  The GOP couldn't swiftboat her with a supertanker.  Obama?  Nothing, he has had absolutely nothing thrown at him, not even from the Clinton campaign regardless of what the Obama crazies say the big, bad Clintons have done.

by linc 2008-02-15 08:00AM | 0 recs
Re: And there it is

Um, the damage is already done to Hillary, she's alrady unelectable in the general.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: And there it is

The Clinton smear machine in this election is every bit as vicious as anything Karl Rove and the GOP ever did.

by NJIndependent 2008-02-15 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: And there it is

Yes it is. And the shameful thing is its coming from people who fought the right and good fight on behalf of President Clinton and Senator Clinton during the 1990s.

Its shameful and its embarrassing. And, more than anything else, it smacks of an ugly win-at-all-costs, pyhrric victory mindset.

by Cobalt 2008-02-15 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: And there it is

I'm sorry, but I've seen a good bit more slime from Obama supporters on the internet than from Clinton supporters.  Admittedly, this diary does not speak well about Clinton supporters, you self-righteousness does not serve you well.  Obama has engaged in and benefited from the politics of personal destruction.

(Note: I don't mind political hardball.  I do mind self-righteous political hypocrisy.)

by mgee 2008-02-15 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

RIGHTWING?  How old are you???   I am old enough to vividly remember the terrorism of William Ayers and his Weather Underground allies -- who also set about to DESTROY the peaceful, Martin Luther King-style of Vietnam War protests.  They advocate the violent overthrow of the U.S. government.  They stockpiled large caches of weapons, and were in league with other underground terrorist groups.

And Ayers is unrepentant to this day.  He is a extremist asshole who got away -- and raised his terrorist pal Bernadine Dorhn's son while she was in prison.  He offers NO apologies for his behavior or for his views.  He is still a dangerous radical -- moreso because he has transformed himself into an academic acceptable on campuses.

I protested the Vietnam War mightily, and paid some heavy personal prices for it.... no need to get into all that here.  I was incredibly distraught with the violent turn of some of the movement, led by the likes of Ayers, who continues to spew his venomous hatred of all things American to this day.

by susanhu 2008-02-15 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Right Wing BS

I have to agree with this.  I don't see anything damning here, except for the usual RW talking points (guilt by association).  I'm sure that the GOP will hold it against him in the fall, but that doesn't mean it should influence our votes in the primary season.

I am not at all a fan of the Weather Underground either, let me note.  I think they did major damage to progressive movement back in the day.  In fact, I suspect that the Weather Underground could be considered one of the "excesses of the 60s and 70s" that Obama disliked, apparently.

Heh, anyway.  

by mgee 2008-02-15 07:51AM | 0 recs
I don't disagree with you

but watch the GOP make this an issue.  Obama is untested and this just proves it.

by linc 2008-02-15 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Um... I guarantee this is not an issue

It will be talk radio not TV

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Um... I guarantee this is not an issue

Do you really think that they communicate with their base through TV ads?   Hint: no.

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

I know them and they're better people than most of the scumbags on this website regardless of their youthful radical activities. You'd be on the side of the British if we were in colonial America I'm sure.

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Compared to Hillary, Obama IS a Saint

Jiminy Christmas!  Now who's playing the right wing guilt by association talking points?  

by mgee 2008-02-15 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Compared to Hillary, Obama IS a Saint

Wait, how is his list Bullshit? The tie to Hsu is far more substantial than the Ayers thing, and the FALN thing is far more damaging.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Compared to Hillary, Obama IS a Saint

your hate for obama, who has run the most positive campaign in recent history and gotten so many new people involved says something very bad about you. I think you need help.

by affratboy22 2008-02-15 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

MyDD software needs to be modified to allow ID format. Great find from Bloomberg, Larry.

by KnowVox 2008-02-15 06:25AM | 0 recs
LOL

This is pathetic.  So you serve on the board of a poverty organization with someone and that makes you in league all of their most nefarious activities? Even McCain isn't dumb enough to try to use this against Obama.  I'm sure they'll have better stuff than this.

by bigdcdem 2008-02-15 06:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

Jesus Christ, you have got to be fucking kidding me.  How old are you????  

This must have been around 1970 (i.e. over 35 years ago), in a crazy time you likely have no idea about whatsoever.  The guy is now a PROFESSOR OF EDUCATION AT A UNIVERSITY!!!!  Better hope somebody doesn't go scraping around the contributor rolls for Hillary's campaign--no doubt some similar "terrorists" to be found there as well.  

Really, really inane post.  You should be ashamed of this.    

by paul minot 2008-02-15 06:29AM | 0 recs
Oh, really?

Do you really think John McCain & the GOP will stay away from this? Guess again. If they could rip apart war hero John Kerry with the "Swift Boat" ads, just think of what they will do with this! I can already see the "Obama supports terrorists!" lines coming out with visuals of old Weather Underground photos. Really, this isn't good for him.

by atdleft 2008-02-15 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, really?

Let me say, as a Clinton supporter: I am sure that they will do all this to BHO, but they will also tar and feather HRC.   It's going to be ugly no matter who the nominee is, and we're going to need to be united when that onslaught comes.

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

Lots of people who were radicals 30 years ago are part of the mainstream today, and these connections to Obama are really, really tenuous.  I'm totally unmoved by this one.

by Steve M 2008-02-15 06:36AM | 0 recs
That dog won't hunt

I guess?  We can thank Larry Johnson for giving us a preview of likely Republican attacks in the GE.

But really, if this (and the Rezco stuff) is all they can find on Obama, I'd say Obama's in pretty good shape.

by vj 2008-02-15 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: That dog won't hunt

Yeah the drug stuff killed Bush and Clinton.

It's going to be a bloodbath...

by labor nrrd 2008-02-15 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: That dog won't hunt

the drug stuff, that will be huge to? Your hate for Obama BLINDS you.  Why dont you quit all this and just say "i hate Obama more than Osama even though their both the same" several hundred times a day and maybe you'll have less time for insane comments like this.  And yeah, i'm sure Hillary's list has more than a few we could take out of context.

by affratboy22 2008-02-15 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: That dog won't hunt

GET HELP then VOTE OBAMA!  

by affratboy22 2008-02-15 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: That dog won't hunt

you STILL trying to bring up his drug use is well LAME (please attempt to run on her issues which you claim she's so wonderful with) and why can you not be for someone without being part of a cult?  I dont discredit you for your support of Hillary, i discredit your irrational hatred of Obama

by affratboy22 2008-02-18 02:54PM | 0 recs
Interesting

Not enough to condemn Obama yet but whats very problematic is the no comment from the Obama campaign.

by world dictator 2008-02-15 06:41AM | 0 recs
Re: What is there to say?

non responsive to the point I was making. try again

by world dictator 2008-02-15 08:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Interesting

No a comment would be troubling.

LBJ told an aide to spread a rumor about a rival sleeping with sheep.  His aide responded that no one would believe, LBJ said yeah but the SOB might be dumb enough to deny it.

by labor nrrd 2008-02-15 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: What is there to say?

Fucking poor people!

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

Haven't you learned the lessons of the past 10 years? Rove and Republicans go after candidates with negative attacks on their strengths. They turned Max Cleland, a war hero, into an abettor of terrorists, and turned Kerry, also a war hero, into a coward. They aren't going to go after Obama with some obscure connections to the Chicago political scene. That's too ho-hum for the media. Look at Obama's strengths and that's where you'll see where the Republican smear-machine will take aim.

by jeffbinnc 2008-02-15 06:46AM | 0 recs
Re: What do you think they will do to Hillary?

Naw.  It's Obama supporters who are deploying right wing talking points against HRC, and have been from the start.  Some Clinton supporters are obviously doing it to BHO, now.  Both are wrong.  You get zero points for consistency.  

by mgee 2008-02-15 07:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Hardly - Rezko was the first shot

Meh.  I can defend the Rezko shot as an attack from the left, too.  The dude was bad.  He had poor folks staying in buildings in Chicago with no heat!  

Note: I don't blame him for that.  Moreover, it's clear to me that BOTH have done heavy lifting for corporations, but have been generally positive/more progressive than that initial cursory glance would suspect.  Clinton didn't defend unions to Wal-Mart, but she didn't do heavy union busting, either.  And she encouraged them in areas where she thought she could get them to move - on women's issues, on the environment.  These aren't huge victories, but they are net positives, whereever you sit.

Please show me the heavy lifting Obama has done for unions?  Did Michelle Obama push the Wal-Mart supplier on whose board she sat to unionize?  No?  Should I hold that against her?

I agree that some Clinton supporters are trying to knee-cap him; I think that others have a fair point - HRC's negatives are high because she has been through this before.  I do not believe that they can get much higher (except when Obama surrogates spend significant amounts of time calling Clinton all but racist).  Obama's negatives are low - and they WILL get higher regardless of what happens in the primaries.  Clinton's negatives are high because the RWNM defined her, just as it will gear up to define Obama.  Touting his low negatives before he has without those smears is kind of silly.  That argument is really a wash.

I'm not a big fan of these posts.  I'm not concerned about this issue; I agree, it is mostly a non-issue.  It would be more of a non-issue if there were fewer Obama supporters (and surrogates) touting his lack of negatives compared to HRC without understanding that he has yet to be defined by the opposition, so we don't know how that will happen.  In the end, I suspect that his negatives will be at or near Clinton's negatives, especially with Republican base voters.

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm not a big fan of these either

I suppose I'm part of the Hillary blogosphere, and I'm not dedicated to raising those accusations.  I think they are over the top, and mostly try not to read them.  I read this one mostly out of trepidation, with the intent of speaking up.

Though I do disagree with you on the race-baiting issue.  I think Obama and surrogates pushed that issue pretty hard, overinterpreting scattered comments in a way that painted the Clintons into a corner.  I don't believe that the Clintons painted themselves into that corner, by the way - yeah, there were unfortunate gaffes, but once Obama threw out the Clinton-as-racist meme, they had no way to defend themselves.    

I suppose I could call that political hardball, but I think that exploiting racism is pretty wrong, and implying that the Clintons were trying to exploit racism is also wrong, and damaging to the party.  And it started even before those remarks, in the immediate aftermath of New Hampshire.  

That said, I think that the Barack-Attack wing of the Clinton blogosphere is considerably less visible than the "I'm divorcing the meanie Clintons!!!!!" wing of the blogosphere, and represents the views of a minority of Clinton supporters.  

by mgee 2008-02-15 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: What do you think they will do to Hillary?

Who's being naive now.  

You think the GOP is just going to say, well we have attacked her a lot... oh well, keeping the presidency would have been nice.

Of course they are going to come up with new shit, it's going to be a bloodbath, arghh... As people point out intellectual honesty isn't there strong suit, but doesn't appear to be that important to this diarist either.

by labor nrrd 2008-02-15 09:30AM | 0 recs
Of course

The Republicans will continue to portray her as they've always done: cold, calculating, manipulative, with a lust for power (i.e., her strengths: pragmatic legislator, competent bureaucrat, capable politician with an eagerness to promote activist government). So her vulnerability in the GE is a known known. What's Obama's?

by jeffbinnc 2008-02-15 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

$200? And served on a prominent anti-poverty organization with him?

Wow! This could kill his campaign.

Well, the one good thing is that he's not part of FALN.

by Loreg 2008-02-15 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

Thank goodness his Virginia offices haven't been raided under suspicion of financing al Qaida.

by Adam B 2008-02-15 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

But all documents in his Senate and campaign offices should be subpoenaed in order to determine the extent to which Rezko has had a role in his Presidential campaign.  Documents from Michelle Obama's various offices must also be listed in any discovery petition to be drafted by Fitzgerald.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties
Seriously,  
     The FALN thing is going to be a bit hard too explain if the primaries make it to PR, I mean please tell me I'm not the only one who see's the coming attempt to link the FALN getting pardoned, and the Gitmo trials?
by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 07:55AM | 0 recs
Reality Check!!

It's not Larry Johnson who is bringing this up....IT'S BLOOMBERG NEWS.  You remember the news, don't you?

So don't go pointing fingers at Larry and Susan, et al - look to the news and realize that this stuff on Obama does exist.

And if you don't think the Repugs can (and will) use it in the fall, I have a bridge I want to talk to you about.

Drug use (Obama brought that up); Rezko; UKTimes article on Obama's bagman; and this?  An interesting package of "facts" that can be made to say whatever the Repugs want it to say.  And that will be nothing good!!!

by Shazone 2008-02-15 07:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

Good hit!  But you forgot: he went to a madrasa!  He's definitely a Muslim and will use the Koran to take the oath of office!!!!!!  And he doesn't salute the flag, in fact he loves Che Guevara!  And he's fathered two black children!

And if you don't think the Republicans will use these, you're crazy.

by jmr1948 2008-02-15 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: The problem is - it doesn't add up to a theme

Dude.  Message consistency does not matter for smear attacks.  All you have to do is look at the way the progressives have reinterpreted the right wing talking points about HRC to fit their own world view.

Either: she is a crazy, polarizing librul treehugger manhater ballbuster meanie-poo who hates cats and is conniving and just wants to TAX US ALL TO DEATH AND TURN US INTO COMMUNIST VILLAGE PEEPS whom the GOP hates;

Or: she is a corporate scumsucking shill who loves Republicans and was a Goldwater Girl and is a meanie who hates ducks and ponies and wants to institute a full corporate oligarchy with herself crowned high queen of commerce.

The two images are polar opposites, but plenty of "progressives" - especially online - embrace both.  Don't be fooled by your argument about message consistency when you are trying to imagine how the GOP will define him.  They will define him every which way but out.

**Note: I don't think that that's a reasonable reason to vote for Clinton.  But, I think that some Obama supporters are naive when they argue about Clinton's high negatives without recognizing that Obama is going to end up with reasonable-to-high negatives himself, thanks to the relentless assault of the right wing noise machine.

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Message consistency counts

How much time have you spent listening to RWTR?  How can HRC be a meanie lesbian AND a crazy seductress who murdered Vince Foster and had Webb Hubbell's love child?

As for the second theme - how many Democrats are concerned that she is "polarizing"?  How is "polarizing" anything other than code for "ballbusting librul"?  There are plenty of Democrats who accept and internalize the two different characterizations of Clinton without recognizing how disparate they are.  Message consistency (i.e. - repeating the same crap, ad nauseum, stupidly) does matter, but logical internal consistency of the message is much less important than you think, especially when it comes to wingnuts.  

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Message consistency counts

Note: wingnuts not being known for their logical consistency.  Ex. - see George W. Bush.  That is all I'm saying.

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Because she is bisexual, duh

That's a stretch - and yes, "polarizing" means "Republicans hate her."  Why do Republicans hate her?  Because they think she is a "ballbusting librul!"  One is shorthand for the other; I think it's intellectually dishonest to deny it.  I'll say: I think that her high negatives stem in great deal from sexist charicatures of powerful women, as well, which is why I find the polarizing argument even more troubling, especially when it's made by people on the left.  

by mgee 2008-02-15 09:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

(I'm recycling this comment from an earlier diary)

They are finally starting to lift the rocks of Obama's past and all kinds of nasty things are crawling out from under them. So far I see the most damning thing from the Burger article as:

A Series of Bombings

The Weather Underground carried out a series of bombings in the early 1970s -- including the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. While Ayers was never prosecuted for those attacks, he told the New York Times in an interview published Sept. 11, 2001, that ``I don't regret setting bombs.''

Bill Burton, Obama's spokesman, said Ayers ``does not have a role on the campaign.'' Ayers said he had no comment on his relationship with Obama.

Let me tell you, Republicans (the proclaimed protectors of us from us) will stress his ties to the group even if they were minimal. It will be their "IN" to turn the conversation to groups like the Black Panthers and the Revolutionary Action Movement. Obama will not be Swift Boated... the attacks will be something psychologically attuned to what happened to Harold Ford Jr in 2006.    

It is not too late for us to take a close look at his past and to see if he can hold up to the scrutiny.

by Mr Man 2008-02-15 07:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

I originally wrote about the William Ayers-Obama connection at RezkoWatch on February 11, 2008, following Hitchens' article. Please see RezkoWatch FactChecker: Weatherman Bill Ayers for more details.

by Artificial Intelligence 2008-02-15 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties

A $200 check written seven years ago.  Congratulations, this holds as much water as saying that John McCain was consorting with the enemy in the 1960s and 1970s.  Good god, at least be reasonable.

by Swedescott 2008-02-15 07:23AM | 0 recs
If you search McCain or Hillary...

Dollars to donuts you can locate a donor with a criminal background.  

After recent diaries and front page posts, makes me wonder when did Mydd become an Obama rag site?

by optimusprime 2008-02-15 07:30AM | 0 recs
Re: If you search McCain or Hillary...

Actually, the sad thing is you don't have to look hard, with Hillary you can find a donor (her leading fundraisier in fact) who wasn't just a crook, but was a fugitive at the time he hosted fundraisers for Hillary.

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 07:58AM | 0 recs
Obama is a nightmare

A total nightmare.  

by dpANDREWS 2008-02-15 07:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

yawn - this is all they can come up with - no stories about Obama killing his ex lover and making it look like a suicide?  No stories about him faking being wounded to get out of combat?  This is it?  

I feel robbed, I was sure the right wing smear machine was going to make the general more enteraining than this.  

by ruskin 2008-02-15 07:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Larry,
  Can you explain why Hillary murdered Vince Foster and those kids down in Mena, Arkansas, I remember reading it about it in the Wall Street Journal so it must be pretty creditable.

Additionally, if were going to ignore right-wing memes and focus entirely on things that could actually be big stories, Clinton better pray she has the nomination before PR comes up-- otherwise, the pardon that isn't Marc Rich is going to blow up (so to speak) in the media, and possibly sink her campaign-- just for kicks google the FALN, the terrorist group pardoned by Bill as he left office at a time Hillary needed Puerto Rican support in her initial Senate run, seriously, Terrorist who killed Americans were pardoned by Clinton in an attempt to get votes, if you can't see how that's  going to kill her in the general(especially if she gets the support of any Islamic Group, even someone as uncontroversial as CAIR), especially with the Gitmo Death Penalty Cases pending, than your short-sighted to say the least.  

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Obama the terrorist!  lololol!!!

followed by...

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

by IowaCubs 2008-02-15 07:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

This renders Obama unelectable.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Man, then what does the FALN, the murder of Vince Foster, an ongoing lesbian relationship with an Al Queda operative, etc. render Hillary?

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 07:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Barack Obama performed political favors for Antoin Tony Rezko, an indicted slumlord who is also a political fixer.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

The Clinton's pardoned Cop-killing terrorists!

by Socraticsilence 2008-02-15 08:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

You mean he sent a letter to try to help our needy community get more housing? Not that you give a shit about our community. By our, I mean mine, really, I'm from there. You don't know what you're talking about.Not that you give a shit about that either.  

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: A Technical Question]

I'm a bit new to the concept but, is this diary a textbook example of "concern trolling"?

by ruskin 2008-02-15 08:06AM | 0 recs
There's so many different types of trolling
going on here, it's hard to tell up from down.
by vj 2008-02-15 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

This is yet ANOTHER in a LONG string of despicable hit pieces on Obama on this site.  Think Obama can't take the GOP heat?  The Clinton smear machine, both here and in the campaign is AT LEAST as repugnant.  Where should I start?

From the Clinton campaign:

* Obama is a radical Islamist trained for jihad in a madrassa.

* Obama is a drug dealer.

* Obama is a Reaganite.

* Obama is a marginal candidate like Jesse Jackson.

* People in PA won't vote for Obama because he's black.

Here on MyDD:

* Obama did coke and had sex with gay prositutes.

* Obama is a mentally ill narcissist.

* Obama is buying the election.

* Now, Obama is a terrorist, too?

How much worse can the GOP get than this?  You people should be ashamed of yourselves.

by NJIndependent 2008-02-15 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

You neglected to mention Rezko, the slumlord whose business Obama assisted.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Yeah with those slumlord churches and his slumlord former boss. Comedy.

It's sad when redstaters seem smarter than you people on MyDD

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

you forgot that we at MyDD tied him to Saddam Hussein via Rezko.  You saw it here first!

by mddem456 2008-02-15 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: And just so you don't misunderstand

Blunted by it having been played out for 16 years

But the big Hillary ace is people already know what her presidency would look like and most remember Clinton years fondly.

Part of the GOP saying they would vote for Hillary is because they know she won't mess up the economy.  The GOP won't vote Obama over McCain because they believe he will mess it up.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:18AM | 0 recs
Re: And just so you don't misunderstand

Actually: I should note that I think both Obama and Clinton have pretty good chances in November.  I don't think that Obama has an "electability" advantage over Clinton, because he hasn't suffered a sustianed right wing assault yet, so his negatives are still artificially low.  I think that that's one of the reasons folks like Kerry and Kennedy really wanted him to run this year: to keep the clean slate thing, with the hope that the RWNM slime would have less traction on someone with less of a record, especially in the Senate.  I just think that that's naive.  I don't think that his low negatives are an advantage.

That said: I don't think that Clinton's history of withstanding the RWNM is necessarily an advantage, either.  

Both have electability arguments to make; IMO, those electability arguments really cancel each other out. And for myself, I'm pretty tired of hearing them - not in the least part because I hear "HRC is polarizing" as rather sexist code language, which gets my dander up no matter what.

by mgee 2008-02-15 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Since when does it matter whether it is BS?

But Obama cultivated deep ties to Rezko and to terrorist organizations.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 08:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Terrorist organizations? Is this another raci

The Weather Underground and William Ayers.  I notice you are quite quick to deploy the accusation of racism.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Well I assumed that it wasn't Weather Undergro

I notice it is a last resort for those who cannot engage in a spirited debate.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh please. "Deep ties"?

please refrain from projecting.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 12:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Oh please!

by Drummond 2008-02-15 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

And you know, even the Republicans aren't going to try to push anything like this.  What amazes me is that Clinton's supporters are acting worse than the Rovians of late.

by Drummond 2008-02-15 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

All this Clinton is invincible to the Republican attack machine is pure horse manure. Hillary has never been a candidate in a tough campaign where the stakes where high for the Republicans. She has done a lousy job of manipulating the press in the primaries and her surrogates are crying that the press are being mean to her and handing the nomination to Obama. But she's ready for the swiftboaters? Give me a break.

Over and over again I hear about Rezko. Hillary has a list of Rezko's two pages long. But you know something, it doesn't matter. Did they attack John Kerry for some connection to a shady donor or business connection? NO they attacked him for being a god damned war hero who won 3 purple hearts. The same guys who praised him in reports at the time just told bald faced lies that totally contradicted wat they said during the war and got away with it.

I don't know how either of them will handle the swiftboaters but based on Hillary's performance in the primaries I wouldn't make any claims that she is better equiped to deal with it.

by hankg 2008-02-15 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Clinton is at least ELECTABLE.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

That remains to be seen. If shes ELECTABLE she will need to show it in the upcoming primaries. If she can't beat the "inexperienced rookie", she won't have a prayer in the general.

by hankg 2008-02-15 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Hillary won all the important states.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

The 'important' states? You need to win more votes and more delegates period. They don't give extra points for the 'important' states. The super delegates want to line up behind a winner, they don't want to have to choose the candidate. Arm twisting won't get their support winning elections will. So I suggest you start getting voters to vote for your candidate if you want to win.

by hankg 2008-02-15 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

There is no evidence of that.  She's running as a quasi-incumbent, and has difficulty with McCain, just barely a statistical tie, in most polls.  Hillary is only electable by the John Kerry metric - the same old 48% and the same old 20 states.

by mddem456 2008-02-15 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

According to Survey USA polls, she is more competitive than Obama in competitive swing states.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Which swing states being polled matters too.  She might be more competitive in the upper midwest, but I'd imagine she'd be sunk in Western swing states like Nevada, Colorado (Montana?).

While on the subject of Robopolling, Rasmussen today has Obama +12 in NV and Clinton -9.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_c ontent/politics/election_20082/2008_pres idential_election/nevada/election_2008_n evada_presidential_election

by mddem456 2008-02-15 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Link please.

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Only in NY state.

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Where's the evidence of that?

by SocialDem 2008-02-15 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Survey USA general election polls for competitive states.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Typo least, not at least

by labor nrrd 2008-02-15 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

i recommend you read and reread my comment until its full import and significance are comprehended.

by truthteller2007 2008-02-15 12:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Pathetic.  Disgusting.  Reprehensible.  Get lost!

by mddem456 2008-02-15 08:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Please keep passing this around. Even more college kids will come out to vote for Obama.

by illlaw1 2008-02-15 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Larry Johnson --

You are one despicable human being (if that's what you even are).

Sincerely,

DoubleDs

by DoubleDs 2008-02-15 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

"I am just vetting him" "the GOP will say this" "He killed my puppy" "He is the one who introduced steroids into baseball"

by labor nrrd 2008-02-15 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

Larry -

As a fellow Mizzou grad, I am embarrassed by the recent diaries you have posted on mydd. This innuendo and character assassination is despicable. Please stop. Really, a $200 donation in 2001? Pathetic.

Investigate the FALN pardons from Clinton in 1999 if you want to see who has terrorist ties. The FALN terrorists did not even request clemency and two refused the offer and chose to remain in prison. All so that HRC could curry favor with hispanics in NY. This is the story you should be covering instead of being a shill for the Clintons.  

by Lawdawg 2008-02-15 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's Terrorist Ties [UPDATED]

As disgusting, pathetic and trollish as this diary is, what's worse is seeing the list of people who actually went out of their way to recommended it and keep it highly visible and in everyone's face.

I would suggest that the individuals who went out of their way to recommend this diary are at best trolls and at worst racist, fear mongers.

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