the leftists who hate Israel the most also seem to hate Bill and Hillary Clinton almost as much? This is no coincidence. If you're not on the far-left, you're evil.

Thanks for giving me props on my debates with DetourStreet. He epitomizes how everything is "racist" to him like everything is "communist" to some conservatives. Now he comes on here calling welfare reform "anti-black." Yet after ending welfare as we knew it, and before Obama smeared the Clintons as racists, Billary was loved by the blacks, as they truly empowered them, and temporarily deracialized politics, until Obama re-racialized it.

what does being sensible on immigration have to do with the Ground Zero giga-Mosque? Why must one subscribe to being doctrinaire?

Also, when asked person to person in an interview, why didn't he call Hamas a terrorist organization, instead of his staff constantly altering the website?

when are you gonna come out against violence against Jews when Israel does something people don't like?

I hope the culprit gets a nice long jail sentence. What he did was a hate crime. No ifs, ands, or buts. Lets see you guys do that.

this has nothing to do with illegal immigrants, not with me. I'm all for all illegals currently here getting amnesty while we finish the border fence. Its about decency and sensitivity for the thousands of victims and their countless relatives, friends and family who were affected irrevoccably on September 11, 2001.

You guys make everything about racism, just as conservatives make everything about communism. You're no better than the ultra conservatives.

Joe Scarborough works at MSNBC, now the Fox News of the left. Ron Paul is a wacko, indistinguishable from Kucinich on foreign policy and jihadism.

going from defending it to denying there's a mosque there? The website says there is a mosque inside, and a mosque by all definitions has daily prayer.

according to Shafayat Mohamed, imam of the Darul Uloom mosque in Pembroke Pines, Fla. "The main thing that makes a mosque a mosque is the establishment of praying five times a day at that spot," Mohamed said. "If people pray five times per day, then it is considered a regular mosque."

The Cordoba site says there's a mosque, there will b people coming five times a day.

Khan said her group hopes construction on the project will begin by the 10th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks. Once built, 1,000 to 2,000 Muslims are expected to pray at the mosque every Friday, she said.

The NY Daily News is in the pocket of the mosque.

There is a place in it designed to hold 2000 to pray to Mecca 5 times a day AND have the Friday sermon. Thats going to be the principle purpose. Also, no one is interning Muslims, so no you cannot compare.

I could give a shit less about Geller or Spencer. I never was a fan of either. But I'm not a fan of Rauf, Hamas, and the far-left either.

also, lets not forget that Islam IS NOT A RACE.

ie anything that isn't conservative is socialist or communist has an equally dubious equivalent in the race card for some liberals, ie everything that isn't a doctrinaire liberal view is racist.

In reality, both far-leftism and racism are big problems in society. But not everything is based off them.

with the bold, italics, quote, link icons, but I would like a more Daily kos STYLE layout, where you can shrink and hide comments on the same page.

this is a real test for so-called "liberals," as it separates the true-liberals from the leftish-doctrinaire liberals. The true liberals, such as myself, don't give Islam or Muslims a free pass when religious ideology is injected into politics. The doctrinaire ones, like Rosie O'Donnell, Pelosi, the European left, Mainstreet, etc. like to ignore things like 

He should say his administration respects many of the guiding principles of the 1979 revolution—to establish a government that expresses the will of the people; a just government, based on the idea of Vilayet-i-faquih, that establishes the rule of law.

Defending that is worse, in my eyes, than defending the death sentence on Salman Rushdie's head. There is nothing just whatsoever about presidential candidates having to meet approval from the Ayatollah, rigging elections, stoning, all the things Rauf defends or doesn't condemn.

OMGZZZZ Al Qaeda are gonna hate us more!!! WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THEM LIKE USSSS!!!!!

Pelosi and other Democrats who support this are out of touch with most of the party: as I showed at the top, 54% of Democrats oppose this. Harry Reid and Howard Dean have condemned this mosque even. The Democratic Party seems to have activists and bloggers who are very, very different from most of its voters.

Not to mention, after work today, I decided to visit the site of the proposed Ground Zero mosque, and it is REALLY close to Ground Zero, hence the name. Two blocks is a matter of feet, at most, and maybe like 1.5 mins, or less walk. If you stand on the northeast corner of Park Place and Church Street, you can actually see both the Hallowed Ground and the proposed mosque site.

its not about the building per se. Its about who would be behind it. In the hypo that I just posed, even tho Robertson wouldn't be behind it, it would still have been rhetoric like his which drives people to do it. And only someone that audacious would build a very ostentatious imposing structure like that near such a site. Rauf is that audacious and disrespectful.