If you don't like the ticket, STFU

It's just good manners.  Unlike some on this site, I've never stalked any individual for holding views I disagree with.  I've never jumped in diaries I disagree with just to fight.  I don't think I've posted personal insults or gratuitously profane remarks (well, not much - see title).

But, now that the ticket is set, this site is a rallying point for that ticket.

If you can't fully express your support, STFU.

So, I will follow some wonderful advice I was given.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/8/22/2 31144/970/8/post#here

I'll be back after the election.  Until then, I don't want to be disruptive.  Besides, you don't need or want the support of us dead enders anyway, right?

PS - After Biden was such an the awful undisciplined drag on the ticket in 2008, and after all those ads featuring clips of Biden attacking Obama as inexperienced and untested, and in light of all those gaffes on the stump, I support Hillary in the 2012 Clinton / Biden primary battle.

By the way - - cute touch, to not interview her, and then announce it with a "3 a.m call". They must have giggled over the irony in Chicago.

Tags: 2008, joseph biden (all tags)



Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

There are plenty of sensible reasons to not see Biden as the best. Hell. I think it's one of the better tickets, but I can see problems with him.

But there's a difference between thinking Obama should have chosen someone else and pissing in the cheerios for no reason.

Furthermore, do you really think that all the attacks Clinton made wouldn't be replayed over and over again? They were far more vicious and harder to go back on than Biden's.

by Gorelab 2008-08-23 04:03AM | 0 recs
I know you can't "grog" it - -
I know it makes no sense to you - -
But many of us indicated what we would do if this happened.
Now, we'll do it.
Sorry.  Bye.
(This really is my last diary / participation until late Novemner - - I don't do sockpuppets).
by kosnomore 2008-08-23 04:07AM | 0 recs
Re: I know you can't "grog" it - -

You are correct.  The ticket is set, and anyone who is not onboard after this week will be a troll.  I think you showed real grace in acknowledging reality.

by Beltway Dem 2008-08-23 05:22AM | 0 recs
Thank you - -

I hope we can work together again in the future.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: I know you can't "grog" it - -

You mean this is a no criticism constructive or otherwise, of the ticket zone?  What's the point of that?  I'm a life-long Democrat, wouldn't vote any other way.  Does that mean I keep my mouth shut when I see something I don't like?  That makes no sense. If you can't vent in a forum for Democrats where do you discuss potential problems?

by mady 2008-08-23 05:40AM | 0 recs
Don't you get it?

You don't.  That's the old way of doing things.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 05:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't you get it?

Maybe it's worth a shot rather than leaving?

by mady 2008-08-23 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: I know you can't "grog" it - -

What I am saying is that the blog culture after the nominee is selected is to rally around the nominee.  My observation in 2004 was that opponents of the nominee were asked to go elsewhere.

by Beltway Dem 2008-08-23 05:47AM | 0 recs
Anyone not on board is a troll?

Oh my God.  Can we at least have a show trial?

by Thaddeus 2008-08-23 05:57AM | 0 recs

The trouble is, 50% of the fans wouldn't be able to identify the historical reference.  They think Joe Stalin was a character on Friends.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 06:07AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Don't you think all the attacks Biden made against Obama will be replayed over and over and over again? Hell, they'll be front and center in many upcoming RNC ads. Does being his VP somehow negate all the negative stuff Biden said about Obama? Biden made such comments more frequently than Clinton, and, by the way, Clinton's "attacks" were never vicious. I guess you would think so, maybe because they came from a woman.

by zenful6219 2008-08-23 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

I think it's easier to overcome than Clinton's. It's a lot less vicious than the Obama/Clinton race got. Even still I think it's a silly argument to use for Clinton, though I can understand why there are other reasons why someone might have greatly prefered her as VP, even if I don't.

by Gorelab 2008-08-23 04:28AM | 0 recs
Ha Ha!

Your candidate lost!

Ha Ha!

by IowaMike 2008-08-23 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Weak attempt at playing the sexist card.  What was that, the Two of Clubs?

by mikeinsf 2008-08-23 08:47AM | 0 recs

We told you it wasn't going to be Hillary.  We told you.  I'm sorry you're not happy.  I really don't enjoy seeing it.  Go grieve, and try to understand that the world isn't as binary, nor as bleak as you seem to believe.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-08-23 04:13AM | 0 recs
You don't tell 48% of the party to
 "go grieve"and then come back and give me time, $$ and your vote.
You meet with them and compromise.  It's called politics.
He couldn't even INTERVIEW her?
He had to make a final slap in the face with a "3 a.m. call"?
Then he doesn't want my support.
Really.  Again, sorry, I didn't want it.
by kosnomore 2008-08-23 04:18AM | 0 recs
It is absolutely mystifying

unless simply puerile.  Is that possible?

by Thaddeus 2008-08-23 05:58AM | 0 recs
No. They think it's cute.

Hubris before the fall.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 06:08AM | 0 recs
Stop it

Stop presuming you represent "48% of the vote".  Most Hillary supporters simply liked her better, but get that we have a fine candidate now, and have no intention of playing Nader's role in 2000.  They didn't project themselves onto her and take every imagined slight as personal.  They get that there is more at stake than the ego and career setbacks of one candidate.  If you don't, well, that's too bad.

What that means for the rest of us who actually give a shit about more important things like the environment and the make-up of the Supreme Court is that we'll have donate more in the absence of your support, and work a little harder at bringing thinking people around.

by mikeinsf 2008-08-23 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: You don't tell 48% of the party to

Its not 48%, most have moved over just fine.

Ha Ha!

Your candidate lost!

Er, so did mine, but, HA HA!

by IowaMike 2008-08-23 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: You don't tell 48% of the party to

She did not want to be considered because she was nervous about the vetting process uncovering "unpleasantries" with Bill's connections to the Middle East.  That comes from her own advisor.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-08-23 09:18AM | 0 recs
When you throw the kitchen sink

at someone, it would most likely be considered an outside shot that you would be asked to work for them.  That is how the real world works.

Adios, MyDDnomore!

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-08-23 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Uh I'm not a PUMA - I'm just dismayed & mourning for my future here.  I am trying to accept reality that any hope I had is gone.  I need to be amongst people who care as much as I do. For Christ sakes this is our future on the line & when something this bad is about to happen to it; it is normal to mourn & need to commiserate.

I have to now live with more GOP years of hell.  It is horrifying to me.  And like I said I am voting for Obama but I know in my gut this isn't going to work - & that is reality.

by jrsygrl 2008-08-23 05:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

When i get like that I go out to register voters and canvass.

by parahammer 2008-08-23 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Good for you - I think that is an effort that in the end will be unrewarded. I have to try and spend that time personally protecting myself for what I believe will be even worse years to come down the pike now. If I thought the ticket would win or stood a good chance, I'd gamble my future & take time out of trying to put things in motion to protect myself from what is to come as things continue to get worse, by putting out that type of effort.  

by jrsygrl 2008-08-23 07:13AM | 0 recs

You are funny!

by IowaMike 2008-08-23 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: HA HA!

It's not funny in the least.

by jrsygrl 2008-08-23 05:12PM | 0 recs
In his defense

It is pretty funny.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: In his defense

The situation we are in right now is horrifying not funny.  Another four years with the GOP is NOT a laughing matter.  Oh wait, it is funny to you b/c despite reality painting one picture in your mind there is no POSSIBLE way we are going to lose & if you say it enough it must be true @@

by jrsygrl 2008-08-24 07:33AM | 0 recs
Re: In his defense

Something can be both horrifying and funny.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-24 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: In his defense

It was clear that my comments were considered amusing & not a reality b/c noone wants to face reality.  Sorry me registering voters isn't going to do it. I need this campaign to make it happen & I can't divert energy from protecting my future on a campaign that is making major mistakes.

by jrsygrl 2008-08-24 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

As you can see, there's no point trying to set this particular "Chicken Little" straight.

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/8/22/1 85625/269/138#138

by fogiv 2008-08-23 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Dude

Oh Good Lord now b/c I am consistent in my POV (notice I posted that PRIOR to the VEEP announcement) I'm just a Chicken Little.  Name call & ridicule as opposed to facing the facts.  This country is in some dire straits & we can't afford 4 more years of progressive hell. Setting a ticket up that:  further divides & loses voters, plays right into how the GOP desired campaign platform, dead heat polling & declining popularity amongst voters, and a VP candidate that has been losing political races for decades, doesn't make our situation look too promising. And once again the repercussions of losing ARE horrific.

by jrsygrl 2008-08-24 07:38AM | 0 recs
Self Fulfilling Prophecy Much?

"And like I said I am voting for Obama but I know in my gut this isn't going to work - & that is reality."

by ProgressiveDL 2008-08-23 09:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Self Fulfilling Prophecy Much?

So don't say it then?  Bury my head in the sand & not face reality?

by jrsygrl 2008-08-24 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

CYA Kos have a pleasant fall. Trust me this is not the end of the world. Obama gonna win this thing, but I guess we'll just have to muddle through without your help.

by jsfox 2008-08-23 04:14AM | 0 recs
And that's the attitude - -

this is the first campaign I've ever seen that says "get the hell out of here" rather than "what do you need to stay?".  I speak only for me, but the "3 am call" was a kick in my ass from Axelrod, et al.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 04:24AM | 0 recs
3AM page was brilliant

You would be whining no matter what.

by parahammer 2008-08-23 04:28AM | 0 recs
Brilliant to piss people off on purpose?
by kosnomore 2008-08-23 04:30AM | 0 recs

So why did you sign up for the page.

by parahammer 2008-08-23 04:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Brilliant to piss people off on purpose?

I've been an Obama supporter from early on but I think this VP thing was handled abysmally on all levels, and you have my sympathy as far as that goes.

I hope you can use some of your energy for down-ticket Dems if you can't support the national ticket.

Be well.

by mady 2008-08-23 05:43AM | 0 recs

and I'm working for several local candidates.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Thx

The Secret Service showed up at Biden's house at 8pm.  Some press were getting antsy.  

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 06:00AM | 0 recs
And another wow

by Thaddeus 2008-08-23 05:59AM | 0 recs

You come here to be pissed off.  This is what you want.

by mikeinsf 2008-08-23 08:57AM | 0 recs
That's not why the 3am text came through

He was prepared to issue the text later this morning. But the media jumped on the "Secret Service protecting Biden now" line, followed by "sources confirm Biden's the pick" at about 12:30am.

Obama understands that in the internet age, he needed to go ahead with the text immediately and not wait until the morning.

Note that if Obama really wanted the text to go through at 3am to embarrass Hillary, his text would actually say "3:00am" and not 3:04. It's a trivial difference, of course, but it's likely that Obama's people made sure NOT to send the text at 3:00 precisely because of concerns like yours.

by elrod 2008-08-23 04:35AM | 0 recs
Bull -

I read expect a 3 am text yesterday.

by kosnomore 2008-08-23 04:37AM | 0 recs
Who, inside the Obama campaign

gave you all this inside information? Or are you just making it up?

by NJ Liberal 2008-08-23 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: And that's the attitude - -

Tell me how Clinton treated Brown and Casey. The VP spot is not a consolation prize. Clinton wouldn't make a good VP. She's not a number two type of person. Hell. It'd probably be a downgrade from what she can get otherwise.

by Gorelab 2008-08-23 04:36AM | 0 recs
Re: And that's the attitude - -

Just to set this straight.  Casey never supported Clinton and made that clear.  Casey didnt speak at the convention because he refused to support the ticket.  If you check the record you will see this.


by giusd 2008-08-23 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: And that's the attitude - -
You know what? People have tried to be nice, people have tried to answer questions from doubters, but it's been over 60 days since the primary ended.
At some point people have realized that some other people just aren't going to be convinced, and just can't be satisfied.
Brandon is a notorious troll around here, yet you take his statement personally, while ignoring the people who try to be polite. Once again, it seems you are itching for a fight and not a decent conversation.
Maybe you do need some time off.  
by skohayes 2008-08-23 04:57AM | 0 recs
You miss the point - -
I'm done debating - - you won, I lost, + the assholes made life intolerable for minority views with their cyber bullying  (without any policing by anyone 'cause they're on the 'right' side).
So, when those 10-15% of D's who are doubters become opponents, don't be surprised.
And pray McCain ain't smart enuf to pick a woman VP.
by kosnomore 2008-08-23 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: You miss the point - -

... but if the woman isn't Hillary, isn't that a slap in your face too?  

by bottl4 2008-08-23 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: You miss the point - -

And with that kosnomore officially exposes himself as the troll most of us have always known he is.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 08:50AM | 0 recs
They haven't won yet kosnomore.

They just think it's a good idea to spike the ball if you make it to the 50 yard line. I had the same thought as you when I heard this news last night. I don't feel like I have a dog in this fight anymore. So I won't be hanging around as much for the next few months, either. I still plan on checking in from time to time, though. It's just way too much fun to watch some folks get the vapors every time the poll numbers dip.

by georgiapeach 2008-08-23 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: And that's the attitude - -

Kos to say you totally misread my sentiment in my comment would be an understatement. However, I still hope your fall is a pleasant one.

by jsfox 2008-08-23 07:29AM | 0 recs
Unique election season all around

It is the only one I can remember where a leader of the party refused to say in an interview that the chosen candidate of his party was qualified to be president, and his primary opponent pointed out that the nominee of the other party was more qualified than he was.

strange all around

by xenontab 2008-08-23 07:30AM | 0 recs
Don't forget your ball

See you in a day or two when you come back.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-23 04:44AM | 0 recs
Again, that's the attitude - -
it's sooooo counter productive.
But, really, this isn't "beg me to stay" - - -it's "s'long 'til the day after".
by kosnomore 2008-08-23 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Again, that's the attitude - -

Not really. Nothing we say on a blog is going to change the election.  If you think your GBCW diary means anything to anyone but you then you are wrong.  

See you when you get back in a couple of days.  

by Blue Neponset 2008-08-23 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Again, that's the attitude - -

Longest "so long" in history.

by ProgressiveDL 2008-08-23 09:22AM | 0 recs
His VP pick makes no difference

for me.

But if I decided that I could not support him, then I would do exactly what you have done ~ go somewhere else instead of being destructive here!!

Be well...I enjoyed reading your diaries (even if I didnt rec them all =)

by SevenStrings 2008-08-23 05:55AM | 0 recs
Thx + I'll be back in mid November - -
campaigning for Hillary '12 - LOL.
by kosnomore 2008-08-23 06:11AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

GBCWULN?  (psst...that's "Goodbye Cruel World Until Late November)

by freedom78 2008-08-23 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Thanks for the troll rate, zsg!  

by freedom78 2008-08-23 08:59AM | 0 recs
Besides, you don't need or want the support of us

It's your poisonous griping and self indulgent whining that isn't wanted. If you really mean "sianara" until after the election, I say good riddance to you and that big chip on your shoulder.

One down. How many more to go?

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 07:25AM | 0 recs
How many more?

That's the problem. It could be almost half the Democratic electorate.

Hillary Clinton is too solidly positioned in the hearts and minds of voters for the Obama campaign to profit by ignoring or dismissing her. And to be clear, I never wanted her to be offered the Vice Presidency.

by Ed J 2008-08-23 08:05AM | 0 recs
half the Democratic electorate.

Don't confuse a handful of bitter deadender McPumas with half the Democratic electorate who voted for Hillary months ago but realize that McBush is the enemy.

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 08:15AM | 0 recs
Keep believing that,...

and Obama will be running for re-election in 2010.

by Ed J 2008-08-23 09:28AM | 0 recs
McPumas are fewer than Naderites.

They had to hold their bitterfest at a Cheesecake Factory.

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 11:00AM | 0 recs
ZSG -- another self indulgent whiner

who doubles as a TR abuser.

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 08:05AM | 0 recs
Addition to this site by subtraction

You won't be missed by this Democrat.

by Dog Chains 2008-08-23 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Well, this is the 400th time I've heard someone be told to leave the party.  There's unity for you.

by ejintx 2008-08-23 08:16AM | 0 recs
Did you read the diary?

KSM is the one who announced the departure. We're just saying bon voyage.

KSM and a few others who spam this site with bitterness have never wanted unity -- just Hillary or else ashes for all.

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 08:21AM | 0 recs

Did I really get rid of Kosnomore?  Friggin sweet, 1 Mcpuma down, many more to go.

by Brandon 2008-08-23 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

I've been following your history here for a while, and I gotta say, you won't be missed.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 08:47AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

One less self important Whiney McPooPants to deal with.

by John in Chicago 2008-08-23 10:07AM | 0 recs
Fine Line

If we want to win Senate seats in states like North Carolina, which is possible, we have to get Democrats who may not like Obama to still get out and vote for Democratic Senate candidates.

by dpANDREWS 2008-08-23 10:14AM | 0 recs
Better yet...

Help convince people to like Obama.

by Glaurung 2008-08-23 11:03AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

If you don't like the ticket STFU

But still vote for us.

No I STFU in November at the polls and not before.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-23 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Luckily for our country, most folks are smarter and more mature than you.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 04:41PM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Good riddence, kosnomore. I look forward to future postings under your new name.

by BobzCat 2008-08-23 11:42AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Thank God.

Glad to see you shoving off.  Please consider not coming back after November.

by Stipes 2008-08-23 11:45AM | 0 recs
Find a down ticket race

Kos, find a down ticket race, something to pour  yourseif into.

When Obama wins, he will need all the help he can get from a strong democratic congress.

Via  Con Dios.....

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-23 12:14PM | 0 recs

Your posts, while uniformly dissenting, were never irrational. You engaged fairly. I always thought you kept the place kind of lively. If you're for real about leaving, I hope you find a ideological home.

As far as "unity", I'm over it. I mean I wish for it, I want it, but I will no longer accept responsibility for the decisions of those who don't like Obama. I will no longer be led to believe that if I do "X", unity will follow. That's too much "Lucy with the football" for my taste.

If McCain wins, everyone will share responsibility solely based on how they voted, and for no other reason.

Anyway, be good.

by Neef 2008-08-23 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm

Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. If McCain wins in November, it will be the fault of the Democratic Party as a whole (Obama, Clinton, Edwards, Pelosi, Reid, Dean, etc and so on) for completely mucking up the primary process in more ways than I can count.

It really is the Democrats' year to lose. If they can't make their case clearly to the American electorate, don't blame the voters for that. That's diving down the well of the "low information voter".

The dismissive attitude of much of the Democratic Party needs to stop yesterday. (Better yet, last month -- or last year.) Any Democrat who really cares about the election needs to start trying to bring Democratic and Independent voters back to the fold -- actively TRYING, not just sitting there going "They have to vote for us, who else have they got?"  

If you want Obama in the White House and you sit on your hands and say, "Hey, I'm voting for him, I did my part, it's the rest of America's problem if they didn't do the right thing," -- well, sorry to tell you but the ship is going to go down with all hands aboard, and there are no life rafts on the USA. (Well, maybe Canada...) So don't just sit back and say "Hey, I paddled enough." Get out there and push the damn canoe up the river if you have to. Remember that if it goes over the falls, you go with it.

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-23 02:27PM | 0 recs
I will respectfully disagree back atcha

Until and unless you give me control over your vote, the result of that vote is your responsibility.

People forget what an election is supposed to be. It's NOT supposed to be candidates in some sort of footrace to power. It's supposed to be an expression of choice by the American people.

Choice, as in free will. How the heck do you express your will, and lay the consequences at someone else's feet?

This isn't a used car lot, where presidential candidates have quotas of suckers to fill. At least it's not supposed to be. Obama AND McCain show you their cards, and you decide who best fits your ideology. Sure, they can modify their positions to make themselves more palatable, but they do not choose themselves, they do not elect themselves. You do, and I do.

If you like McCain, fine. Millions do (an entire party, in fact). If you can't stomach Obama, fine. That's your choice.

But if you know McCain is going to be a scarier President than GWB ever was, and you vote for him anyway, blaming someone else is beyond shameless.

It's your responsibility, whichever path you choose.

by Neef 2008-08-23 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: I will respectfully disagree back atcha

That might be true if our national elections were held in true democratic fashion, but they aren't, sadly. I think the field should be open to anyone to run for President, but our laws make it almost impossible for third parties to get a foothold in the US.

Basically, that means that the only real "choice" I get to make is between the two people the parties choose.  If they produce two candidates I'm lukewarm about, then what becomes of my freedom to truly choose a candidate who reflects my views?

Yes, I supported Hillary, and I'm very disappointed (though not surprised) that Obama didn't bring her on board. That doesn't mean I won't vote for him, but I'm unlikely to donate or volunteer. I tend to feel that the behavior of the higher-ups in the Democratic Party has robbed me of the chance to vote for the candidate I truly wanted (and robbed Dodd and Kucinich voters as well. I would say "Biden" supporters, except they've got a glass-half-full situation going on, and I would have said "Edwards" supporters except most of his supporters are actually relieved he didn't get a fair chance at this point...)

Don't get me wrong here -- I'm bitter about the treatment Hillary got, but not bitter enough to hand McCain the White House over it. (And I live in a swing state, too.) I just think that when you're presented, say, with the choice of getting stung by a scorpion or bitten by a rattlesnake, what you really want to do is opt for neither; how "responsible" are you for making a choice of poisons if someone forces you? If you are a voter who truly sees Obama and McCain as having equal good and bad points, it must be like the scorpion/rattlesnake choice. Sure, you can say a person is "responsible", but how much is that true when a choice isn't truly a choice?

I'm a Democrat and I know what I'm going to do in the voting booth, but I have a friend who's a Libertarian who's voting for Bob Barr, not because she likes him but because she considers both Obama and McCain to have irredeemable faults. I have another friend who is Independent and has no idea how she's going to vote. She usually goes Democrat, but she really wanted to vote for Hillary and is talking about doing a write-in vote for her.

Maybe we'd be better with an Australian type of ballot. Then people could feel better about voting for their real choice (Clinton, McKinney, Barr, Dodd, Kucinich, Romney, or even Nader) without worrying about handing the election to their least favorite choice.

Anyway, this has gotten off the subject of the original post, which was that our two-party political system always seems to doom a large segment of the voting population to a choice of lesser-of-two-evils, which is probably why so much of our electorate just stays home on Election Day. I think if the DNC had handled the primary better, the rift in the Democratic party would have healed by now instead of lingering on like an infected wound, and a fair portion of the Democratic voting pool wouldn't be contemplating breaking from party lines.

Since the two parties have complete control over who our "serious" choices are for President, I feel they have a responsibility to make a solid case to the voters that their guy is not just preferable to the other party's guy, but that their guy is actually a good choice on his own, not the lesser of two evils. If they don't make that case, I don't blame conflicted voters for staying home. If you really don't know who's the best choice, isn't it more responsible to stay at home rather than vote?

by SuGeAtARC 2008-08-24 07:42AM | 0 recs
Re: If you don't like the ticket, STFU

Good riddance.

As for not having sockpuppets...


You've been a joke since you started posting here and I'll be more than happy to t'rate your sockpuppets.

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-23 02:31PM | 0 recs


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