Dear Barack and Hillary

Your supporters have drawn lines that you would not.  Your supporters are openly speaking of voting Republican, Third Party, or worse still sitting out the presidential ballot if the other is on the ballot

This problem will last until 2012 when neither one of you will be allowed to run.  Why?  No state politico will let you be on the ballot, no one will sign a nominating petition and unlike this year, the Supperdelegates will announce they will not support either of you.

Try this ---- Tell your supporters that you don't want their money or their votes if they will not support the party's nominee.

I, for one, am getting tired of every comment turing into a personal attack!

Tags: 2008 election, Democrats (all tags)

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40 Comments

Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Barack AND Hillary

Try Barack and Barack alone.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 02:52PM | 0 recs
he says she would be a great president daily.

i dont know where you get this from.

by omar little 2008-03-23 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: he says she would be a great president daily.

This whole issue started on the Obama side.

Now that its not in their favor anymore then all want take backs...

Obama said his supporters wouldn't support Hillary

Chickens are coming home to roost.....

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: he says she would be a great president daily.

It's like having conversations with 5 year olds around this place.

"He started it!"

Grow up

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-23 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: he says she would be a great president daily.

Politics has rules for a reason.

1)  Never threaten to withhold support after you lose

Obama wanted to change those rules.

He is a big boy he can live with the results...Currently it looks like it will cost him the nomination.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 04:56PM | 0 recs
BS

he said soem his supporters woudl not. He was talking crossover republicans and such.

And you know it.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-23 05:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Amen.

by ragekage 2008-03-23 02:58PM | 0 recs
seconded.

we need to win here guys, and neither candidate can win if this keeps getting more bitter.

by omar little 2008-03-23 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: seconded.

Hillary/Obama ticket will do just fine.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 03:01PM | 0 recs
MyDD needs to begin the July Kumbaya

I am a moderate Democrat that fund raised for Bill in 1992, and even joined the Army under his watch.

Unfortunately HRC's handlers ran a very poor campaign in the early months, and have created a divide that not many saw coming.

I wasn't on MyDD when they crafted their mission statement, but there is one thing that all Democrats should agree on (whether they are blue-dogs, DLCers, or far left) . . . and that is to keep a majority in Congress, hold on the Supreme Court, and keep the GOP out of the White House.

I prefer the 50-state strategy, and I love the enthusiasm that Obama will bring down-ticket. I also don't drink Kool-Aid from either side.

THINK BIG PICTURE! WE WILL KUMBAYA by July.

by Veteran75 2008-03-23 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

I am afraid to have to convey this but Senator Hillary Clinton as lost the African American Christian community forever.

Easter Sunday Service coffee hour was full of chatter on how Bill and Hillary know what is said from the pulpit from any Black church in America but stayed quiet as a prominent member of the AA Christian community was crucified by the media.

The backbone of the the African American community is the church and the backbone of the Democratic Party is the African American community.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 03:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

How Barack Obama played the race card and blamed Hillary Clinton:

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304

by Hurdy Gurdy 2008-03-23 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

For Black folk, the media attack on Pastor Wright was an attack on the Black Church.

And it was noticed that Bill and Hillary Clinton did nothing to defend the Black Church.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 03:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

No, the media was attacking Rev. Wright's racist and anti-America rhetoric, not the black church.  These speeches are indefensible.  Hillary and Bill Clinton should not defend these shocking hate speeches and the following article explains why.

How Obama's minister turned the Dems' run for President into party's train wreck

by Hurdy Gurdy 2008-03-23 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

I read an article, too- How People who Listen to Soundbytes and Ignore all Context Decide Who Will be President.

You should read it sometime.

by ragekage 2008-03-23 04:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Have you ever been to a Black church?

Ask yourself why Black people were not the least bit "shocked" by what Rev. Wright said.

You know why?  We have been hearing (and saying) these exact same words for decades (if not centuries).

There are many, many more Rev Wrights out there in America's Black churches.  He is not atypical.

So, yes, an attack on Rev Wright is an attack on the Black Church.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 04:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Well if the AA position is that they are gonna say God damn America, the USKKK of A and that Bill Clinton never did anything for them and treated them like Monica then maybe those people need a different party.

I will not vote for that wing of the Democratic party under ANY circumstances.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 04:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Let me limit the above the the segment of the AA community that thinks Obama's church is normal and acceptable.

I wasn't comfortable with how it sounded given that the AAs I know don't seem to go to churches like that.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

I think that you may very well be surprised by the reality of Black thought and Black patriotism.

The curtain has been raised.

We should no longer keep secrets from one another.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 05:17PM | 0 recs
From a post yesterday, the entire Wright speech..

I think another read of this might be in order, posted yesterday elsewhere on the site:

Andrew Sullivan just posted the full Wright 9/11 sermon.  I'm going to place it below so you can see those quotes in context.  You may not like the sermon as a whole or you might.  But I think it's worth reading - and passing along for others to read -- it in full.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/th e_daily_dish/2008/03/the-wright-post.htm l

"Every public service of worship I have heard about so far in the wake of the American tragedy has had in its prayers and in its preachments, sympathy and compassion for those who were killed and for their families, and God's guidance upon the selected Presidents and upon our war machine, as they do what they do and what they gotta do -- paybacks.

  There's a move in Psalm 137 from thoughts of paying tithes to thoughts of paying back, A move, if you will from worship to war, a move in other words from the worship of th God of creation to war against those whom God Created.  And I want you to notice very carefully this next move.  One of the reasons this Psalm is rarely read, in its entirety, because it is a move that spotlights the insanity of the cycle of violence and the cycle of hatred.

  Look at the verse; Look at the verse; Look at verse nine:  [rising voice] "Happy shall they be who take your little ones and dash them against the rocks."[lower voice]  The people of faith are the rivers of Babylon.  How shall we sing the Lord's song?  If I forget the order ... The people of faith,  have moved from the hatred of armed enemies [rising voice]--these soldiers who captured the king; those soldiers who slaughtered his son, that put his eyes out; those soldiers who sacked the city, burned, burned the towns, the burned the temple,  burned the towers, they have moved from the hatred of [loudest voice] armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents -- [low voice] the babies, the babies.

  Blessed are they who dash your baby's brains against a rock.  And that,  my beloved,  is a dangerous place to be, yet that is where the people of faith are in the 551BC, and that is where far too many people of faith are in 2001 AD.  We have moved from the hatred of armed enemies to the hatred of unarmed innocents.  We want revenge, we want paybacks, and we don't care who gets hurt in the process.

  Now I asked the Lord, what should our response be in light of such an unthinkable act, but before I share with you what the Lord shared with me I want to give you one of my little faith footnotes.

  Visitors, I often give little faith footnotes, so that our members don't lose sight of the big picture, let me give you a faith footnote. Turn to your neighbor and say, "Faith footnote."  [Voices: "Faith footnote"]

  [Begin faith footnote]

  I heard Ambassador Peck on an interview yesterday.  Did anybody else see him or hear him, he was on Fox News. This is a white man, and he was upsetting the Fox News commentators to no end.   He pointed out, (Did you see him, John?) --a white man-- he pointed out-- an ambassador-- that what Malcolm X said when he got silenced by Elijah Mohammad was in fact true, America's chickens are coming home to roost.

  We took this country, by terror, away from the Sioux, the Apache, the Arrowak (phonetic) the Comanche, the Arapajo, the Navajo.  Terrorism--we took Africans from their country to build our way of ease and kept them enslaved and living in fear.  Terrorism.  We bombed Grenada and killed innocent civilians -- babies, non-military personnel.  We bombed the black civilian community of Panama with Stealth Bombers and killed unarmed teenagers, and toddlers, pregnant mothers  and hard working father.  [fullest voice]  We bombed Khadafi, his home and killed his child.  Blessed be they who bash your children's head agains the rocks.

  [fullest voice]  We bombed Iraq, we killed unarmed civilians trying to make a living.  We bombed the plant in Sudan to payback for the attack on our embassy -- killed hundreds of hard working people --mothers and fathers, who left home to go that day, not knowing they'd never get back home.  [Even fuller voice] We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon and we never batted an eye.  Kids playing in the playground, mothers picking up children after school -- civilians not soldiers.  People just trying to make it day by day.  We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and South Africa and now we are indignant?  Because the stuff we have done overseas is brought back into our own front yard.

  America's chickens are coming home, to roost.  Violence begets violence.  Hatred begets hatred, and terrorism begets terrorism.

  [lower voice] A White ambassador said that, y'all, not a black militant.  Not a Reverend who preaches about racism, an ambassador whose eyes are wide open, and whose trying to get us to wake up, and move away from this dangerous precipice upon which we are now poised.  The ambassador said that the people we have wounded don't have the military capability we have, but they do have individuals who are willing to die and take thousands with them, and we need to come to grips with that.

  Let me stop my faith footnote right there, and ask you to think about that over the next few weeks if God grants us that many days.  Turn back to your neighbor, and say, "Footnote is over."  [Voices:  "Footnote is over."]

  [End Faith Footnote]

  [Gentle voice]  Now, now.  C'mon back to my question to the Lord, "What should our response be right now. In light of such an unthinkable act.  I asked the Lord that question Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday.

  I was stuck in Newark, New Jersey.  No flights were leaving La Guardia, JFK, or Newark Airport.  On the day tht the FAA opened up the airports to bring into the destinations of cities those flights that had been diverted because of the hijacking, a scare in New York close all three regional airports and I couldn't even get her for Mr. Radford's father's funeral.  And I asked God, "What should our response be?

  I saw pictures of the incredible.  People jumping from the 110th floor; people jumping from the roof because the stair wells and elevators above the 89th floor were gone-- no more.  Black people, jumping to a certain death; people holding hands jumping; people on fire jumping.  [plaintiff high voice]  And I asked the Lord, "What should our response be?" I read what the people of faith felt in 551BC.  But this is a different time, this is a different enemy, a different world,  a different terror.   This is a different reality.  What should our response be, and the Lord showed me three things.  Let me share them with you quickly and I'm gonna leave you alone to think about the faith footnote.

  Number one:  The Lord showed me that this is a time for self-examination. [cheers] As I sat 900 miles away from my family and my community of faith, two months after my own father's death, God showed me that this  was a time for me to examine my relationship with God.  MY own relationship with God-- personal relationship with God.

  I submit to you that it is the same for you. Folk flocked to the church in New Jersey last week, you know that foxhole-religion syndrome kicked in, that emergency chord religion, you know that little red box you pull in emergency?  It showed up in full force.  Folk who aint thought about coming to church in years, were in church last week.  I heard that mid-week prayer services all over this country which are poorly attended fifty-one week a year were jam packed all over the nation the week of the hijacking the 52nd week.  [inaudible]

  But the Lord said, this aint the time for you to be examining other folks relationship this is a time of self examination.  But the Lord said, "How is "our" relationship doing Jeremiah?  How often do you talked to me personally, how often do you let me talk to you privately?  How much time do you spend trying to get right with me, or do you spend all your time trying to get other folk right?

  This is a time for me to examine my own relationship with God.   Is it real or is it fake?  Is it forever or is it for show?  Is is something that you do for the sake of the public or is it something that you do  for the sake of eternity?  [voice rising]  This is a time for me to examine my own, and a time for you to examine your own relationship with God -- self examination.

Apologies to the original poster, I hope you don't mind that I placed this here.

by mady 2008-03-23 05:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Give me a break.  What Wright said was despicable.  The Clintons did the right thing by not becoming involved.  It's not their business.  It is Obama's problem.

The African American community has already thrown Bill and Hillary under the bus despite the years and years of service and dedication they have shown to the Black community.  They've done far more for African Americans than Barack, and this is the treatment they get in return?  They do not "owe" the African American community are are not required to defend a racist anti-American preacher to satisfy a community that has for the most part already betrayed them.

by musicpvm 2008-03-23 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Give me a break.  What Wright said was despicable.  The Clintons did the right thing by not becoming involved.  It's not their business.  It is Obama's problem.

The African American community has already thrown Bill and Hillary under the bus despite the years and years of service and dedication they have shown to the Black community.  They've done far more for African Americans than Barack, and this is the treatment they get in return?  They do not "owe" the African American community are are not required to defend a racist anti-American preacher to satisfy a community that has for the most part already betrayed them.

I'm a black guy and I approve of the above quote. The black community has thrown Hillary and Bill under the bus. That particular quote has my full support. I talked to my family (i.e., grandmother, uncles, mother, and aunts) as well as black peers (e.g., fellow classmates and co-workers) in the South. I tend to get responses like this: What? You don't believe a black man can run this country? Here's more: as stated by my grandmother, "No one wants a black man to ever finish on top." One co-worker told me, whose also black--a black woman--that many of OUR folks think that Obama will declare it "Free collard greens and Kool-Aid" Day for everybody. Her expression was kind of direct or straight-to-point. My uncles were trying to convince me that Obama being elected would change things for me as a black man (whose working toward a second graduate degree). My uncle gave a basic "We-Have-Arrived" speech. I began to wonder had Obama already distributed Kool-Aid packets via U.S. mail this early before his Inaugural Address. One tend to wonder whose actually sipping the Kool-Aid. I responded to them, saying,"It's not about race, but it's about who I think is the most qualified who gets my support. I do not feel extremely confident in a rookie senator from Illinois running this country at this pivotal moment in history. With all this talk of banning Hillary supporter because they do not necessarily fall in line with Obama supporters, the Republicans will have harvest taking seats in congress that should have belonged to Democrats and, ultimately, the presidency. At the moment, I'm weighing my options of not voting at all with voting for McCain or having someone give me a sedative to vote for Obama at this point. By the way, my race is fully black, and I do not need to be vetted on this issue.

by Check077 2008-03-23 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

I'm a Black man and I will tell you that the well has been poisoned.

This is what I have been hearing:

If not now, then when?  If not him, than who?

This is it.  If someone as talented and gifted as Barack Obama cannot win, there is absolutely no hope for the rest of us.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

He is not ready.  Honestly it may not be obvious to all but the split convention we are facing is mostly his fault.

Had he been very clear that he would support Hillary 100% if he lost and that Bill and Hillary are not racist this would never have gotten this far.

Fortunately his career will be over after 2008

UNLESS...

He either wins the primary and the general election or loses the primary and accepts the VP offer from Hillary provided she still offers it.

His breaking the rule on support the other guy when you lose and his supporters attacks on Clinton will doom his future outside Ill.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 05:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Well, it appears that someone will have to blink. I do not think it Obama's time. It may hurt many blacks in that regard, but it's the truth. Never have I seen anyone run for the presidency even before DAY ONE of stepping in the Senate. If Blacks want Barack Obama as president, they need to support him being vp. If not, McCain will be president, but I believe that Hillary has some divine purpose in this race. When Hillary speaks, she goes into minute detail laying out what her plans out and expects to be held accountable. With Obama's speeches, he will never leave any thing out there for which he can be held accountable for (when, where, how, and what) and I can not give Obama the presidency with mere promises of ideas--while forsaking solutions. I believe can be President, but not at this pivotal in history. It's not going to help blacks and Americans as a whole, if Obama is President as proves to be as ineffectual as Bush. No, he will not have Hillary's thought plan, strategies, or solution to "AGREE WITH" either. He'll be on his own--there will be no calls to Sen. Clinton at nigt for help. My response to Obama: Hey, buddy, you'll be president. Now, what are you doing do about all this problems, because smiling and grinning is not going to cut it.

by Check077 2008-03-24 04:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Don't expect any Democrat to win the White House without Black support.

Black people have been betrayed the Clintons and it will take many years to regain that trust, if it ever comes back.

If Clinton wins the nom, expect a heavy push by the Republicans to go after those disaffected African American voters in the Midwest swing states.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 04:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

=)

You are making the wrong argument...

I know the Black community wants Obama as president but they are  breaking 2 sets of rules in doing it.

1)  Any member of a coalition that says we win or we walk has to be penalized or else the other members of that coalition will do the same and we are all screwed

2)  Bill Clinton is generally seen as having make Black issues a priority and is generally being seen as unfairly attacked over it.

The best outcome is Hillary/Obama get your VP now and your President Obama later.

If you get Obama in 2008 you will see many otherwise non-racist Democrats sit it out or vote against you and if he loses it sets your community back a decade.

If team Obama steals the election based on caucuses, non votes in florida and michigan and indy/GOP voters and then loses in an election we expected to win then all his supporters go to the back of the line.

Obama has poisoned the white well with Wright and will not win the general election.

So would you rather run Obama and have him lose or run Hillary/Obama and have them win?

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

That's the word.  We rather lose with Barack than win with the Clintons.

You must understand that psyche of Black Americans.  We grow up suspicious of every White person no matter how "liberal" they say that they are.

We all know that sooner or later, we don't match up to "them" in their eyes.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 05:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary


Barack matches up exactly equal with other candidates who only have 2 years at the national level worth of experience.  But there haven't been any in the last century.

Barack himself wasn't going to run because he didn't have enough experience.

Add Rezko
Add Wright
Add My supporters won't support you

You aren't asking for equal you are asking for special treatment.

Obama for VP is a good deal for you as it almost assures he gets the next primary.  I am talking about the Hillary clan adopting Obama not some your are in the outhouse kind of deal.

Next time instead of being 1 million votes behind in the democratic party member votes like he is now he would have the base behind him.  I assume the AA support will still be there and  Hillary and Bill are pretty good about burying the hatchet and would be out actively pushing for Obama.

He needs the time for the current scandals to die down anyway as he is electoral college poison at present.

Trust me he isn't winning the general election in 2008 with Wright on YouTube

And honestly if this goes on too much longer it won't be Obama Hillary is offering the VP to.

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 05:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

There is no deal, we in the Black community are "Barack or Bust" and you must know this by now.

It truly is "now or never" for us.

If White America does not understand that, it is not our fault.

We have suffered for 400 years, another 4 years with McCain will not be a problem for us.

by Andre X 2008-03-23 05:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Yeah, I pushing for Hillary, and I'll let blacks who complained that Hillary is acting like it's her turn, but "Heck" black folks (my race and ethnic group) are acting like it's there turn. Heck, many Americans do not even know Obama. If blacks sit out, I do not think it will be a whole bunch of them. Many blacks know it's better to have a democrat in the white house with Obama as vice president than to have Obama as Democratic nominee with no presidency as a result. We'll talk now until the convention, because I black and I support Hillary. Blacks make up 11% of the electorate, but although 11% is important it can not elect a president alone. We have a black candidate who can be president, but he will not be president ever if he runs as the Democratic nominee in 2008. You dig, me!

by Check077 2008-03-24 04:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

So you are saying that after REV. Wright made those disgusting and vile personal attacks on both of the Clintons that they should have jumped up and defended him. If he wanted their support he should have thought of that before he made those attacks on each of them personally.

by RedstateLib 2008-03-23 06:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Dear Barack and Hillary:

Please come together on a Unity ticket so we can all live happily ever after and skip our way to the whitehouse and keep it until 2024.......

Then Chelsea can run!!!

by nikkid 2008-03-23 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Maybe not Chelsea, but i'd like Clinton/Obama '08

by liberalj 2008-03-23 03:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

You got that backwards, btw, as Obama is in the lead currently by a great amount.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-23 03:24PM | 0 recs
Its going to be Obama/Richardson

Could see it from the tone of their Friday appearances. HRC won't be offered, nor would she accept the VP slot.

Obama looking at turning Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico reliably blue. Also looking to put Texas in play.

by johnnyappleseed 2008-03-23 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Its going to be Obama/Richardson

Yep anybody as long as they are men. Well kiss the vote of women goodbye. I also think white working class men leave the party.  And by the way Hispanics are not that fond of Richardson so look for McCain to pick up a significant portion of the latino vote. Sum it up , McCain takes the oath in January. Sorry we have screwed the pooch and it will be a miracle if the Democrats can save this in November.

by RedstateLib 2008-03-23 06:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

I know what i'd like. I'd like Clinton/Obama, what i want isn't dictated by who currently leads in pledged delegates.

by liberalj 2008-03-23 03:32PM | 0 recs
What you would get would be, however n/t

by Builderman 2008-03-23 04:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Barack and Hillary

Not among registered democrats

by DTaylor 2008-03-23 05:33PM | 0 recs

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