I told you so on healthcare

by Kent, Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:43:49 PM EST

Once again I am proven right in my belief that any kind of healthcare reform that changes the current system is impossible in this country.  One reason is that 85% of people are happy with the current system and like their insurance.  The other reason is that the insurance industry will always have a vice grip on Congress and will kill any kind of reform. 

Democratic Presidential candidates need to stop promising healthcare reform because it simply cannot happen. 

Hillary Clinton was wrong on the campaign trail for even offering a healthcare plan.  She knew that any healthcare reform proposal will die in Congress.  She went through it herself in 1994.  She knows what happens when you try to reform healthcare and the results are not pretty.

Obama was just as bad for falling into her trap and promising reform.  You dont promise something that is not possible.

Democrats need to simply start campaigning on small, doable things such as tax credits for the uninsured. 

No more talking about healthcare reform, because our current system is here to stay and will be for the rest of our lives.

Deal with it. 

Tags: healthcare reform, obama (all tags)

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Mars_attacks
Oh Kent.

lol

by fogiv 2010-01-17 09:44PM | 3 recs
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Whatever happens.

President Obama did the right thing.  He made a mistake or two along the way, but he was right to go for HCR right at the beginning.

If we don't get HCR through now, it just demonstrates what I've long feared, that our country is no longer governable.

by psychodrew 2010-01-17 10:13PM | 3 recs
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RE: Whatever happens.

If we dont get it now, we will never get it, just as I predicted.  The Republicans and insurance companies are too strong. 

by Kent 2010-01-17 11:16PM | 0 recs
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The MyDD Nostradamus strikes again!

I told you so on ________.

by thatrangeofshadesbetweenredandbluestuff 2010-01-17 10:13PM | 2 recs
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Still think

I was wrong for telling this guy to shutup sriliberalwhoever?

by ND22 2010-01-17 10:24PM | 0 recs
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You two are opposite sides

of the same coin.

by srliberalguy 2010-01-19 03:55AM | 0 recs
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Instead of "Itoldyouso"

about each and every issue that the majority of Democrats believe in, what should Democrats do, other than allow Republicans to retain power so that they will bear increasing responsibility for the economy?

You are the one who said that McCain should win last year, that Democrats should lose in 2006 and 2008 so that Republicans take the blame.

If we listened to you, the nation would have been further fucked up than it is.  Thank you very much for your advice, and I see by your predictions how well you did in NY-23.

by Khun David 2010-01-18 12:02AM | 1 recs
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Dont give me that garbage

How could this nation possibly be more fucked up?  This country is about ready to crash right into the ocean. 

by Kent 2010-01-18 12:12AM | 0 recs
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RE: Dont give me that garbage

Funny, isn't this what the teafuggers argue? 

To arms!!!

by Strummerson 2010-01-18 10:46AM | 0 recs
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Dont give me that garbage WTF?

What the frak?

You have been advocating that Democrats don't win for as long as I have read your posts on dKos and here, for fear that if Democrats win, then they will have to bear responsibility for what goes on.

With regard to "this country is about to crash right into the ocean"...

Um... this nation isn't fucked up any more (and a lot less) than most other nations.  If it is fucked up, it is fucked up by those who feel that we will never succeed and we never make the attempt because we won't ever succeed.

by Khun David 2010-01-18 04:43PM | 2 recs
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The politics of narcissism and the impoverishment of MyDD

The most important thing for America and Americans is clearly whether Kent is proven right or wrong. 

Does anything matter half as much to Kent, or Ludwig van, or Teresa, than whether or not they are right or wrong?

 

by Strummerson 2010-01-18 10:45AM | 1 recs
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RE: The politics of narcissism and the impoverishment of MyDD

Kent is a pessimist, but he's not a PUMA.

by vecky 2010-01-18 12:04PM | 0 recs
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RE: The politics of narcissism and the impoverishment of MyDD

Kent is a narcissist.  The fact that most PUMAs are narcissists raises the question.  But I don't really care.  It's a yawn of a distinction at this point.

by Strummerson 2010-01-18 12:53PM | 1 recs
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RE: The politics of narcissism and the impoverishment of MyDD

you have all the understanding of a rock.  I would happily be wrong about Obama.  I would love an actual liberal democratic president with liberal democratic ideals.  We didn't get one.  Passing whatever shit gives him the ability to say "mission accomplished" is NOT being a good loyal democrat.  It is being an idiot.  Unfortunately blog world is full of idiots, who just like republicans, only care if their team wins.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2010-01-18 12:40PM | 0 recs
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RE: The politics of narcissism and the impoverishment of MyDD

"you have all the understanding of a rock"

I stopped reading after this.  I don't waste time on self-righteous narcissists who cannot type without denigrating others in order to trumpet thier superiority. 

by Strummerson 2010-01-18 12:51PM | 1 recs
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RE: The politics of narcissism and the impoverishment of MyDD
I don't remember you ever backing Kucinich. He was the only liberal with liberal democratic ideals running.
by lojasmo 2010-01-18 02:04PM | 1 recs
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nope

people will say they prefer what they have if the altenative is worse.  That is what the current legislation is...worse than what people have.

Had someone started with the idea that single payer was the goal and spending a year educating the American public was the way to reach it, we might have a chance.  Instead we have a liberal blue state set to elect a republican because they democrat said she would vote for HCR and THEY DON'T WANT HER TO DO IT. 

Worse is that OFA is TELLING people that the way to stop this HCR is to let Martha lose.  People are saying "great, thanks for letting me know how to stop this "reform" from happening".

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2010-01-18 12:53PM | 0 recs
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RE: nope

Of that 85 percent, which I don't believe, how many of them are on MediCare?

by Drummond 2010-01-18 01:50PM | 1 recs
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RE: nope

According to the poll, most people without insurance like their health care too.  It's a bogus poll.

 

60% of bankruptcies are attributable to medical costs, and 80% of those people HAVE insurance.

This bill contains real reforms, PUMA numb-skullery notwithstanding.

by lojasmo 2010-01-18 02:10PM | 1 recs
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RE: nope

Early on, I think in July? There was a poll showing 80% of those with private insurance liked it and wanted to keep it, thus the promise "you can keep your current insurance".

As for those on Medicare, they are among the biggest demographic opponents of HCR. I guess it's too be expected, they've got theirs afterall.

by vecky 2010-01-18 02:13PM | 0 recs
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How so?
"That is what the current legislation is...worse than what people have. " You and others have said this time and again, but how is it worse?
by vecky 2010-01-18 02:13PM | 0 recs
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So basically, you are saying

Democrats should avoid health care reform because the only thing they can accomplish is small steps, and rank and file Democrats would revolt because they don't get their pony.

Great Democrat you are.

by Khun David 2010-01-18 03:27PM | 1 recs
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Kent

I m trying to remember when one of your predictions has been correct. Seriously this pronouncement of yours almost guarantees passage.

But I give you credit for throwing yourself out there time after time. And time after time being about as wrong as a person can be.

by jsfox 2010-01-18 04:27PM | 2 recs
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RE: Kent

Upstate Can'ts only "prediction" that came true was that the NJ and VA-Gov races would fall to the Republicans.

However, for an entire generation, both these governor races have fallen to the party out of power in the White House, and for another generation, either one or the other race or both has fallen to the party out of power, so any "prediction" s/he made with regard to these races is suspect.

by Khun David 2010-01-18 04:35PM | 1 recs
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You are wrong

Since 1912 a vast majority of the population has favored a single payer healthcare system.  Recently, manufacturing industries has decided that the system is costing them to much money, which is why there is some sort of health care reform going on.  

by The Weekly Glass 2010-01-18 06:06PM | 0 recs
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You're... really touched, Kent.

I'm just not sure what with. The whackadoodle stick, maybe?

 

More like bludgeoned with it, though.

by sricki 2010-01-18 11:53PM | 0 recs
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RE: You're... really touched, Kent.
Kent again? I get warned sometimes about what I say and this character gets to post anything he wants. I try to comment on something and sometimes I get "post failed". Have any of Upstate Kent's posts ever failed? No. I wish the mods would get on his defeatist little toosh sometime. Hey Kent,I wish I could sneak upon you once with either a rolled-up magazine or a baseball bat. You and all the other whiny little Blog Birchers.
by spirowasright 2010-01-19 01:54AM | 0 recs

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