Hillary's "white Americans" comment causing a quick firestorm

Hillary's "white Americans" comment causing a quick firestorm (Updated x3)
by davidkc

In another bad sign for Hillary Clinton's sinking campaign, the blogosphere is all over her racially divisive comments to USA Today about her white support, and the verdict is not good.  The broad consensus is that Hillary's comments are clearly deepening rifts in the Democratic party and hurting the party's chances in the fall.  Are you listening superdelegates?

Kate Phillips at the New York Times Caucus blog (under the headline "Hillary Touts White Support") notes that Hillary's latest race-baiting comments come on the heels of the tense exchange between Donna Brazile and Paul Begala on Tuesday night:  

As if the divisions between race and gender in the Democratic Party hadn't been further exposed through Tuesday night's exit polls -- and by a very heated exchange on CNN between high-profile Dems Donna Brazile and Paul Begala, Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's interview with USA Today on Wednesday is further mining those tense depths.
Ben Smith at Politico is suspicious of the timing of Hillary's "white Americans" comment, and surprised by how upfront Hillary is becoming with her racially divisive ways:

Now, the press has talked about the race in these terms constantly, so I won't feign shock. But it's a bit strange to hear it so bluntly from the candidate's mouth, and probably not a great way to endear herself to African-American voters.

And it's also noteworthy that the blunt talk on appealing to whites surfaces the day after the last round of primaries in which there's a substantial number of black voters.
Translation: Hillary's comments were carefully orchestrated.

And Chuck Todd over at MSNBC First Read clearly understands the problem that Hillary is causing for the Democratic party, and shares some stern words for Hillary from Chris Dodd:

It's comments like that one that might drive more supers toward Obama pretty quickly. Why?  Because they know the math, but they don't want her to spend three weeks making a case that Obama can't win. It will only weaken him. Here's what Obama backer Chris Dodd said yesterday, per NBC's Ken Strickland. "You're going to be asking a bunch of people [in West Virginia] to vote against somebody who's likely to be your nominee a few weeks later? And turn around and ask the very same people a few weeks later to reverse themselves and now vote for [Obama] on election day?"
Right on Senator Dodd.

Superdelegates, I have a question for you.  If you are truly concerned about party unity, then are you comfortable with headlines like "Hillary Boasts of White Voter Support" and "Clinton's 'white Americans'" coming right after the party's presidential nominee has been decided?  If you aren't concerned, then God help the Democratic party.

UPDATE:

On a related note, I'd like to give a well-deserved shout-out to Rachel Maddow.  On MSNBC's post-election coverage on Tuesday night, all the male commentators were gushing, some with their eyes welling up, over Hillary's election night speech, calling it "whistful" and saying she was clearly going to end her campaign with "grace" and "dignity." But Maddow said she heard something completely different in Hillary's speech, and predicted that Clinton would continue her scorched-earth strategy. Maddow was roundly pooh-poohed by all the commentators, including KO, but it turns out, sadly, that she was spot on.  It is beyond too late for Hillary to end her campaign with grace and dignity.  "Sad" and "pathetic" is the best she can hope for now.

Here's a link to Rachel's prophetic comments, which are about 5 minutes into the clip. But it's worth hearing the other comments that precede hers.

UPDATE 2:

More reactions to Hillary's latest race-baiting comments:

From Jack and Jill Politics, a leading African American political blog:

Apparently not satisfied with her plummeting approval ratings among black voters, Hillary Clinton decided to remind us again that our votes don't actually count...

This kind of comment is less a description than an agitator, it's meant to give white voters the impression that they would be "disenfranchised" by an Obama win. It's a not so subtle effort to evoke racial resentment over Obama's success...

That's what the "elitist" charge has always been about, appealing to the sentiment that "this black guy thinks he's better than you." It will be the same against the Republicans. The difference is that they now have Democrat saying the same things to further legitimize this line of "argument".
And from Mike Barnicle over at Huffington Post:

Now, faced with a mathematical mountain climb that even Stephen Hawking could not ascend, the Clintons -- and it is indeed both of them -- are just about to paste a bumper sticker on the rear of the collapsing vehicle that carries her campaign. It reads: VOTE WHITE.

That's the underlying message propping up a failed candidate. Check it out, you superdelegates: the buttoned down black guy is having trouble with blue collar white guys so cast your vote with the white chick who has transformed herself into an arm-wrestling, shot and a beer, kitchen table advocate for the working class and now it's on to West Virginia and Kentucky where she'll prove it.

So, after all the years they have been with us, after all the triumph and tastelessness, the accomplishments and embarrassments, we're about to watch them act out an updated, mixed gender re-make of Thelma and Louise with Bill behind the wheel, the two of them sharing a knowing look, a wink, in the front seat as they take the Democrat (sic) party right off the cliff, the whole thing crashing and burning in a racial divide both he and she sought to heal all those years ago in Little Rock and then Washington.
Barnicle ends by noting that Hillary is "on the edge of writing a truly ugly chapter for all to see." Mike, she's not on the edge of writing that chapter. The chapter has been written and is at the publisher.

UPDATE 3:

Pam Spaulding over at Pam's House Blend points out how Hillary's message was very carefully crafted, honed and targeted, and that Hillary has clearly decided to throw all subtlety out the window in her latest attempts to use race and race-baiting as a political tool -- a sure sign of the desperate last throes of her campaign: "White dog whistles no more":

You see the problem and beauty of Senator Clinton's statement is that it boldly embraces the undiscussed fear in this Reagan Democrat demographic, the people who do consider race a major factor -- concern that white privilege is being threatened, that somehow Barack Obama as president would exact retribution against "hard working white Americans" for past or present institutionalized racism...

The frame is specific -- that's why Clinton referred to hard working white Americans. What happened to "blue collar Americans?" Oh wait, there are a lot of hard working black and brown blue collar/working class Americans, and many of them they voted for Obama, so she had to slice that demo down to the bottom line. Dog whistles no more.

Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

121 Comments

there is nothing not correct or race baiting

about her comment. Its finally time that someone say that you need a good showing of whites to win the election. its not racist, its a fact. NO dem who hasn't come within 5 points or the GOP with white has won the presidency. Carter and Clinton made the white vote close, which is why they won. While Gore really won, he didn't win decisively enough to carry to other states, in part because of his poor showing with whites, and Kerry got blown out with whites, which is why he lost

by DiamondJay 2008-05-08 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: there is nothing not correct or race baiting

So we should just exclude blacks from the primary seeing that they can't get that racist vote in southern Appalachia.

Please, I've read a couple of your posts and you are "glib".

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: there is nothing not correct or race baiting

no, but who the hell are you to call people in southern Appalachia racists? you are insulting actual swing voters, not guaranteed voters like the blacks. We should not exclude them, but when you have a black candidate, you shoudl take into account when Obama gets their 90% votes

by DiamondJay 2008-05-08 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: there is nothing not correct or race baiting

Do you even read what you write?

B.O. has had no trouble getting the white vote anywhere else.

The fact that they don't vote for him specifically because he's black makes them racists. Your comments speaking of blacks as "guaranteed" votes is even more pathetic.

You are a bigot.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: there is nothing not correct or race baiting

first of all, he has trouble getting whites in states we could actually win in November, and two, the states he got whites in were small extremely GOP caucus states that voted for "the new guy" because their 65% Bush 04 neighbors hated the Clintons so much, and they were before Jerry Wright. Look what happened to his white support after Jerry Wright.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-08 01:51PM | 0 recs
You think African Americans...

... are going to vote for her in the general after what she just said?

by kraant 2008-05-08 01:56PM | 0 recs
I thought that

this argument only went one way.  How dare you apply it equally!

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: there is nothing not correct or race baiting

You're absolutely right but Realpolitik is a foreign languague to "fans" of Obama.  And they are just "fans" - it's all an American Idol season to them.

by Tolstoy 2008-05-08 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: there is nothing not correct or race baiting

How is this comment troll worthy?

by Mayor McCheese 2008-05-08 01:44PM | 0 recs
Would everyone PLEASE

take a moment to read this diary posted at Daily Kos and STOP THE MADNESS, thank you:

ENOUGH with the term 'racist' already.  Please?
by ILean Left
Thu May 08, 2008 at 02:35:00 PM PDT

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5 /8/15919/49036/640/511922

by phoenixdreamz 2008-05-08 01:58PM | 0 recs
You're in the minority on this one, Jay?

You're in the minority about this, Jay, and that is not meant to be ironic.

Outside of the comfortable cover of the Clinton favorable blogosphere, this is not playing well?

I suspect, Conyers and Clayburn, and the rest of the Congressional Black Caucus is NOT please with the idea of

"Hard-working Whites" as the vote most strongly drawn to Clinton, cause that is clear dog whistle code phrase for

"All the lazy Colored folk are with Obama" is the unspoken part of that phrase.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-08 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: You're in the minority on this one, Jay?

No Washstate,

You are in the minority on this one.

Its the 25% of "white liberals & black liberals" who are happen to be loud & many in the netroots community.

But in the general election, your entire community can join hands & Obama would still lose by landslide.

This is the politically correct bullshit that hurt democrats in the 80's.

Clnton stated a fact. Many americans are aware of that reality. But liberals want no one to talk about it.

Please !

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 01:42PM | 0 recs
She didn't just throw blacks under the...

... bus here you realize...

The quote wasn't actually "Hard-working Whites" it's worse, it's "working, hard-working Americans, white Americans".

So who's she saying is lazy with that phrase?

by kraant 2008-05-08 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: You're in the minority on this one, Jay?

And are you to stupid to realize that she just threw latinos under the bus also.

by venician 2008-05-08 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, we don't vote blindly

Venecian,

Latinos stupid?

Sorry.

The last time I checked we Latinos have been voting based on the "Most Qualified" candidate.

We even turned our backs on our very own Bill Richardson because the white woman was the superior candidate.

I think you are asking the wrong group.

You should ask other groups who BLINDLY vote for someone 9 out 10 of them because they share the SAME SKIN COLOR.

Latinos don't play that game!

Understand Venice! You''re barking up the wrong tree.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, we don't vote blindly

Saying you're latino does not make it so.

by venician 2008-05-08 02:39PM | 0 recs
Re: You're in the minority on this one, Jay?

That Clinton favorable blogosphere? Now THAT'S a good one.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-05-08 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: You're in the minority on this one, Jay?

not everything that sounds blunt and politically incorrect is "code." Whites outnumber blacks in this country and electorate 3-1. They deserve a voice, and because we've neglected them for so long, they've defected to the Republicans over the years. We ignore whites far more than anyone takes blacks "for granted." If Kerry and Gore had done better than they did with whites, they'd have been elected. Whites are people too, and you seem to forget that.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-08 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: You're in the minority on this one, Jay?

Are you seriously saying that we have neglected white people in this country for a long time?

by shalca 2008-05-08 05:36PM | 0 recs
I said the DEMOCRATIC PARTY

has neglected the ethnic white vote for a long time. They go after minorities, rightly so, but don't go after whites, even though whites are the biggest voting segment there is. They piss them off with their political correctness like affirmative action, which has really run its course, which at times gives to whites the perception that Democrats only pay attention and care about only non-white people. In case you didn't realize, winning whites by double digits may contribute to Republican presidential wins in recent history. The only Dems to win, Carter and Clinton did not cede the vote by much, coming within 5 points. All the rest, Mondale, Dukakis, McGovern, Humphrey, and Kerry did not win.

by DiamondJay 2008-05-08 06:38PM | 0 recs
Let's get real her e...

"The blogosphere has jumped all over her comments"

No offense buddy, but the "blogosphere" has been jumping all over Hillary since after Iowa, and that wasn't going to change anyway.

Hillary is right. The Democrats at least need a sizeable share, (not nessesairly a majority) of white working class to win elections. That's not a racist statement at all, it's the truth, and while it could have been worded better, it's not "race baiting".

by zcflint05 2008-05-08 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's get real her e...

ZClint, it's NOT that Obama needs to shore up his rural white vote,that's a fact...

It's the fact she said

HARD WORKING White Voters...

If you are from the south, you recognize the code?

Caddillac Driving Welfare Mothers?

Freeloading Lazy Affirmative Action Types?

Remember, people here went NUTS when Obama said
"Bitter" instead of Frustrated...

Words DO count, as we have all learned in this election.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-08 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's get real her e...

Oh please. This is ridiculous. We both know she wasn't trying to be racist, and she isn't. She was stating that we need to make progress with working class whites in a general election, and no matter how bad you want to make it so, it does not mean she is saying "lazy negros" or something ridiculous like that. I know you'd love that to happen, but it's not going to, okay?

This kind of PC shit is the reason why Democrats lose national elections. There's a difference between racism and the truth. If you all want to start winning national elections and stop whistling by the graveyard, then we need to drop that part of the party and actually get to work on what Barack needs to do to get working class whites to vote for him.

by zcflint05 2008-05-08 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's get real her e...

Everything is "Dog whistle politics" these days. Bill Clinton refers to a Obama as a young man, they say it's racist because Clinton meant to say "boy" but knew he couldn't get away with it. I have heard  Obama supporters claiming calling Obama "inexperienced" is racist code. Could Clinton have said this better? I think so, but its pretty clear that she's talking about the need to win over some lower income white voters, which many people have acknowledged.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-05-08 01:53PM | 0 recs
Really...

We both know she wasn't trying to be racist

If you listen to the audio, you can hear that slight hesitation as she realizes she's about the cross the Rubicon, and then forges ahead.

by kraant 2008-05-08 01:55PM | 0 recs
I'm sad to say,

I really don't know that she wasn't trying to be racist either.

The most charitable thing I can imagine is that Senator Clinton personally doesn't have such racist feelings, but her advisors have convinced her that walking this dangerous line is literally her last hope.  Except they're wrong, and it's too late, and the longer she sticks around doing this disgusting dance, the worse it's going to be for us all.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's get real her e...

Really, seems Dem.s just took back both the house and the senate.

by venician 2008-05-08 01:57PM | 0 recs
Oh Please...

How about codespeak from the Obama supporters:  "He's spellbinding orator" (he's black), "He reminds me of the Kennedys" (he's black), "He's in the unique position to bring healing to the country."(he's black).  We caught on to the coded language a long time ago.

by handsomegent 2008-05-08 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh Please...

""He reminds me of the Kennedys" (he's black)?

Jack Kennedy was black?

Wow, I must have missed something.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-08 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's get real her e...

What code Washtingblue???

Is this some liberal code that I don't know about.

Listen, Obama will need Hillary in November to get some white folks to support him.

Ted Kennedy & John Kerry ain't gonna get Obama any white votes.

Certainly not Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton.

You people keep on attacking Hillary, then, you freekin going to ask for her help in the Fall.

Its pure stupidity

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:04PM | 0 recs
Obama's support with

white people seems pretty strong if you look at the numbers.  I think there might even have been a MyDD diary about that recently...

So the practical effect of Senator Clinton targeting West Virginia voters with such an appeal will in the end be to create support for John McCain, since they won't be able to vote for her in November.  When 1) the assertion is not supported by facts, and 2) repeating it only harms the overall fortunes of our Party's nominee in the fall, it's difficult to understand what Senator Clinton intends to gain here.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's support with

OBama's white support is not that strong. It appears to be on par with John Kerry's..and Kerry lost.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-05-08 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's support with

He had more black support than Hillary Clinton.

Yet, he still lost.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama's support with

40% is pretty strong? Come on now...seriously. Obama's white support is OK for now but he needs to make inroads on that support starting now. Unfortunatley, it doesn't seem like he's really competiting in WV and KY, where he could do that. Believe it or not, I think the reason why he loses older, rural voters and Appalchia voters is not his race but the experince question. People there just aren't down for the new kid on the block.

While I don't doubt some people are racists, I think the amount of racists voting for Hillary because she's white are equal to the amount of sexists voting for Obama because he's a male.

So let's get real here, and instead of trying to name people in our party as "racists" through extrapolating meanings out of a statement, actually figure out how Obama can win these rural white, working class voters.

The problem with Democrats is that we sit around lamenting about how stupid and racist these people are instead of figuring out how we can get their votes...

by zcflint05 2008-05-08 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Let's get real her e...

Who the F*ck is hide rating my comments?

by zcflint05 2008-05-08 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

You know what's amazing about Hillary's comments?

It took this long for a democratic politician to say in public what millions upon millions of democrats, white,brown,yellow & black already knew.

I'm Hispanic. Did Hillary Clinton say anything racists, offensive or untrue??? Absolutely Not!

You should listen to latino radio. Latinos are blasting the "Politically Correct" White Liberals & Black Liberals from being so " Sensitive" over nothing. Absolutely Nothing!

Hillary Clinton stated publicly what many if not most white americans, Hispanic-americans, asian-americans & even black americans, democrats & non-democrats "truly feel" would be Obama's downfall in the Fall race.

Kudos to Clinton!

I'm tired of liberal whites & liberal blacks who want all of us to walk on eggs over nothing.

Why aren't this politically correct white liberals questioning black voters for voting 92% for Obama in state after state ???

If you're going to accuse a person or a group of people who are voting based solely on RACE, how the hell can you explain that?

No other racial group is doing that except blacks.

Even Latinos never ever voted blindly at 90%, 80% or even 70% for hermano Bill Richardson.

Its this type of political correctness that will doom Obama in November. Many whites, latinos & asians are tired of this double standard.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

This is the second time today you speak in name of Latinos.

Stop making a fool of yourself.

You are a pro-Hillary hack and these accusations you are throwing around are pathetic.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

Ms. Garcia,

You may be a die hard Obama fan.

Its too bad state after state, region after region show that you are a MINORITY among Latinos!

So yes, I'm a speaking for the 65%-75% of Latinos who have voted for Clinton!

Can you tell me what Latino organizations you are with Ms Garcia?

I am an activists who has devoted 20 years to Latino cauces.

What have you done Ms. Garcia for Latinos?

Can you tell me? Or are you some die hard Obama Latina stuck to your computer?

Next time, think first before lecturing people.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

And what has Clinton done for your people, I am sure hard working latinos exist and vote for her.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

I don't know.

You should ask the millions of Latinos who voted for Hillary.

While you're at it, you should ask the 92% of Blacks across america what Barack has done for them.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 01:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

As a Greek imigrant I can tell you why they did, and its the same reasons my similar ethnic group did.

And they are all pretty sad reflection on our people.

Also, I didnt see and marachi bands for hill dog:

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 02:03PM | 0 recs
Talking of cool music...

... I particularly like this one:

"Si Se Puede Cambiar" by Andres Useche

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Talking of cool music...

WTF, how did I miss this one!

Posted 2-22-08.

I love what our candiate has inspired, I can't explain.

HRC supporters can never take that from us.

This is why Obama won, there aren't words for it.

Its right here.

God bless America, even with peole like us!

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 03:03PM | 0 recs
I honestly think...

... that out of all the songs Obama has inspired, that one's the best.

Send it to all your friends!

by kraant 2008-05-08 03:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

Really?  How about the Mariachi Divas?  Do they count?

by TxDem08 2008-05-08 10:24PM | 0 recs
So you like being told you're lazy? [NT]

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

Lecturing? I am pointing out the obvious.

You are a pro Hillary HACK and that diary you made makes a better argument than I could ever make. You speak for 65-75 of the Latinos in the U.S.A. ? I didn't even know they had a queen.

I am sure you have done a good job for Latinos but you are doing a PATHETIC job in representing them on this blog.

Do you think these white blue collar americans would vote for a mexican president? Do you?

Piensalo bien y di la verdad. Claro que no.

If you are not white, you are considered a ni**. That's a fact.

The fact that you defend a candidate who actively seeks the vote of these bigots by painting a black and white picture is pathetic.

Don't play games and stop making a fool of yourself.

When I go to sleep at night at least I have self respect.

Who's the fan? Talk about Kool-Aid.

Eres un bochorno para la raza.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

Listen Garcia,

Now I know what's wrong with you.

You have problems with self-respect. You have the Inferiority complex syndrome.

Listen , Obama's victory will not help you feel good about yourself.

You are also a racist!

You have just lump all white people are racists.

I never heard any white people call Latinos the "N" word

Too bad you've experienced that hija.

So what have you done for us Latinos ???

A Freeking "BIG ZERO" ! Nothing hija.

Now you want us to follow your lead & vote for Obama because white people are racists??? El Stupida!

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:13PM | 0 recs
Says...

You have problems with self-respect. You have the Inferiority complex syndrome.

... the person who just loves being called lazy.

Geez.

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

I never said white people are racist. Can you even read english?

Why don't you take a stroll through rural Indiana or West Virginia
and canvass for your Hillary and face the real world.

I can tell you are in fact a fraud and not latino at all.

The fact that you think these bigots only resent blacks and give a pass on latinos makes it even more obvious.

Should of figured that out after seeing your cheesy handle.

I guess you watch Lou Dobbs with a passion and think that his
views are just dandy!

Please "latinfighter" go back to Taylor Marsh or Hillaryis44 and
lay the b.s. on someone else cuz it ain't flying here.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 02:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

He's not latino. He just chose that name to make it seem like she has more latino voters.

by venician 2008-05-08 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Unbelievable Politically Correct Bunch

He is a tool.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 02:01PM | 0 recs
*ahem*

So do you think it's true that "Hardworking Americans" are "White Americans"?

Because that's what she just said.

by kraant 2008-05-08 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: *ahem*

The "mojo" was for the comment under yours....Sorry my mistake.

by soyousay 2008-05-08 01:56PM | 0 recs
When did "WHITE" become a 4 letter word?

by Rome890 2008-05-08 01:43PM | 0 recs
Outside the blogosphere,

I don't think they're hearing about this one.  It's a clear racist dog-whistle, but it's made all the more despicable because its only practical effect at this stage might be to solidify support for John McCain among voters who are uncomfortable with a black man.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Outside the blogosphere,

Lets see what the MSM will say.

Guarantee Fox covers it the least, they love their race wars.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 01:46PM | 0 recs
I spoke too soon.

Senator Clinton has really stepped in it now.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 01:52PM | 0 recs
BS

This is a diary that's just trying to start shit.

by soyousay 2008-05-08 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

No, its major headlines.

Hillary has crossed the line, and DiamondJay is ready to go back to 3/5ths for black voters.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

George...I see how you troll everyone that you disagree with. Sorry, but you don't have credibility with me.

by soyousay 2008-05-08 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

What I trolled a racist?
So what?

DiamondJay is just that, and sure I will troll any racist comments.

I stand by it, until he says Black votes are no different than any other votes he is a bigot.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

You troll lots of people...I wasn't referring to anyone in particular.

by soyousay 2008-05-08 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

Oh, well yes, I will continue to troll people who post hateful and divisive comments.

You won't see me troll anyone that doesn't deserve it.  When I do, please call me out.

I have maybe trolled 3-5 people this week.  And I stand by all of them.

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: BS

You better troll yourself then.

by soyousay 2008-05-08 02:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "white Americans" comment

So now the latest last straw to grasp by Hillary is the 'white voters' straw.

I never thought I'd see the Clintons sink so low.
It's tragically pathetic, and beyond the pale.

by toyomama 2008-05-08 01:41PM | 0 recs
What was her exact quote?

I know I can probably "google" it, but it would be helpful in a diary to quote what she actually said.

I have a feeling that Obama's supporters are the ones fueling this latest Clinton is racist spin.

by Rome890 2008-05-08 01:41PM | 0 recs
You can listen to it...

by kraant 2008-05-08 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: You can listen to it...

Is this something to be proud of?

by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: What was her exact quote?

"I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on," she said in an interview with USA TODAY. As evidence, Clinton cited an Associated Press article "that found how Sen. Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me."
by GeorgeP922 2008-05-08 01:43PM | 0 recs
Actually here's full exact quote from video clip:

HRC was asked by USA Today reporter: "How does Hillary Clinton win the nomination?" and Clinton responded, "Well, Kathy,  there was just an AP article posted that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me and in independents I was running even with him and doing even better with Democratic-leaning independent. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on."

by purr 2008-05-08 09:52PM | 0 recs
Oops -- sorry for double post (nt)

by purr 2008-05-08 10:00PM | 0 recs
Actually here's full exact quote from video clip:

HRC was asked by USA Today reporter: "How does Hillary Clinton win the nomination?" and Clinton responded, "Well, Kathy,  there was just an AP article posted that found how Senator Obama's support among working, hard-working Americans, white Americans, is weakening again, and how whites in both states who had not completed college were supporting me and in independents I was running even with him and doing even better with Democratic-leaning independent. I have a much broader base to build a winning coalition on."

by purr 2008-05-08 09:55PM | 0 recs
Re: What was her exact quote?

you give obama supporters much more power than they have with the MSM. The white voters story was picked up by the MSM and they're running with it. It has legs. If Obama supporters could influence the MSM, do you think we would have had Wright TV 24/7 for weeks????

by feliks 2008-05-08 01:47PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton...

made a gaff and as one pundit once said "A gaffe in politics is when a politician accidentally tells the truth."  Hillary said nothing that wasn't the truth. Obama will have a hard time getting back the white voters who went for Clinton.  That's a fact interpret it as you wish.

by handsomegent 2008-05-08 01:43PM | 0 recs
So then what you're saying here...

... is that the truth is that "Hard working Americans" are "White Americans"?

by kraant 2008-05-08 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: So then what you're saying here...

I think the point  here is that she is trying to appeal to "Working class" white voters that we as Democrats have trouble with. I really don't think any racial angle was intended. As an aside, I've never even liked the phrase "Working class" because it implies that law, accounting, teaching, computer programming etc. aren't work.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-05-08 01:57PM | 0 recs
And how was she trying...

... to appeal to "Working class" white voters  in that statement?

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:21PM | 0 recs
A self-fulfilling prophecy?

There's no data to suggest Obama's support among white Democrats is weak--quite the opposite: he does at least as well as Kerry did.  It's also unclear to what polls Senator Clinton refers in claiming that Obama has lost support among white voters, because we can't find recent polls that indicate that.

It's not true.  Even if it were, it's destructive to frame the election in racial terms as Senator Clinton has done.

Given that her chances of winning are remote, she's just damaging Democrats with this talk.  And the "hard-working Americans, white Americans" quote is shameful.  That's how my grandpa used to talk...but he also called Denver Mayor Pena "the spic."

She should know better.  About a lot of things.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: A self-fulfilling prophecy?

McNasty,

You need more data to prove to your self how Obama will do in the fall among white voters???

LOL!

Okay. Good luck.

You'll get hard current data on the eve of November 4th. It would be fresh data from white voters delivered to you directly from MSNBC & CNN

Just be ready.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 01:53PM | 0 recs
Actually,

I said the data I'm aware of proves the opposite.

Your race-baiting doesn't scare me, sorry.  Either America as a whole is ready to embrace Barack Obama, or they aren't.  I happen to think Americans aren't racist or stupid enough to buy Senator Clinton's current argument--if they even hear it.

Either way, he's our nominee.  I would like to see Senator Clinton retain some positive legacy as well, but she seems determined otherwise.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Actually,

McNasty,

Scared? No one is trying to scare you.

Its reality. Nothing to be scared about unless you really believe that he would win.

It seems that you are content anyways just to get the "historical nomination of 1st black".

See many of us want someone who can actually win in november.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:16PM | 0 recs
Where did you get that from?

It seems that you are content anyways just to get the "historical nomination of 1st black".

As I've often said here, if electing the President were purely about symbolic social progress, then having Senator Clinton be our first woman President would trump everything.  Sexism is still a deeper problem than racism, in my opinion.  From that perspective, I'd prefer a woman by a mile than a black man or other minority in America.

But I'm not voting for a category, I'm voting for the leader of the United States.  I'm voting for Barack Obama.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:47PM | 0 recs
Y'know...

... unlike Obama, Clinton hasn't been vetted yet.

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:02PM | 0 recs
Re: A self-fulfilling prophecy?

Well since you have no proof, I take it that since your candidate LOST, you just want to vent.

by venician 2008-05-08 02:15PM | 0 recs
Re: A self-fulfilling prophecy?

A gallup poll came out today that said Obama gets the same amount or more of white voters as Kerry did.  So there.

by Spanky 2008-05-08 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: A self-fulfilling prophecy?

That president Kerry,

oh wait a minute.......

he didnt get elected!!!

Spanky the whole point is to do as good as the last WINNER not Loser.

by amde 2008-05-08 05:31PM | 0 recs
by indydem99 2008-05-08 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: A self-fulfilling prophecy?

It is a AP quote not her quote.

by indydem99 2008-05-08 02:07PM | 0 recs
Well I'm sure you'll be able to find...

.. the AP article saying...

"working, hard-working Americans, white Americans"

... then. Right?

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: A self-fulfilling prophecy?

Here's the AP article in question.

It refers to "working-class, white voters."  She might have slipped up by paraphrasing that as "hard-working Americans, white Americans."  (Her unfortunate pause turns it to an appositive phrase, like an equality sign in English.)  I would give her the benefit of the doubt, except that she has not (yet) clarified what she meant, and it dovetails all too well with the rest of her desperate strategy.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:12PM | 0 recs
Let me be more precise.

The AP article refers to "working-class whites."  That's the closest phrase to what Senator Clinton said.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me be more precise.

I just think her language is a little sloppy. "Working class" has more or less become a synonym for "hard working" in many people's lexicons. Again, I dont like either term because they imply that only certain jobs are "Work" or "hard work" but I don't think there's anything nefarious here.

by Mayor McCheese 2008-05-08 02:30PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton's language a little sloppy?

C'mon...

That's an oxymoron.

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Let me be more precise.

Jesus, there was a FIRESTORM here when Obama said Bitter instead of Frustrated...

A little consistancy please?

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-08 02:38PM | 0 recs
When she comes out and apologizes

for using language than many people would construe as "white Americans are the hard-working ones," I will be glad to agree with you.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:48PM | 0 recs
You guys think you could win without clinton

I think you are making a big mistake. Let
 me tell you the GE is not caucus. At the present rate inspite of your euphoria this guy will not get more than 25% of white vote. That would be the recipe for a disaster.

It is just an election who care. I think I look forward to 2012.

by indydem99 2008-05-08 05:28PM | 0 recs
White voters?

The problem is when Hillary said that"there's a problem that Senator Obama's support with white voters is weakening again.".The TRUTH is it actually strengthened in last weeks primaries.

by feliks 2008-05-08 01:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

Do you see the stupidity of some here.

They are saying that White voters will Not Vote for Obama in November because of a comment by Hillary.

This is already a set-up in the event that Obama losses by a landslide among white voters.

Folks, you think Kerry & Dukakis did poorly with white voters in the general.

Wait until Obama runs in November.

And we're not even talking about Latinos.

Forget about it.

What's sad is "Obama supporters" don't help.

They are so concerned about being "politically correct" regardless of the consequences.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 01:51PM | 0 recs
What's really sad.

What's sad is "Obama supporters" don't help.

You actually think the salient issue is the stridency of blog commenters?  I don't think that's on most voters' radar.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 01:57PM | 0 recs
Re: What's really sad.

I agree McNasty.

That's why I am wondering why some Obama supporters seem so vent about making this into a Big Issue.

It will certainly not help Obama.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:21PM | 0 recs
Do you have to ask why?

Why?

Because at this point, if she's still campaigning against Senator Obama, she's just doing damage.  What good will it have done in a month when he is the nominee to have exaggerated his lack of support in one demographic?

If your strategy boils down to "criticize and divide, so you can say 'I told you so,'" you should not be surprised that villagers are quietly building a rail on which to run you out of town.

I'm appalled at how many Clintonites here take apparent glee in predicting doom for Senator Obama in November.  I said the same thing about Kerry, but I wasn't happy about it.

by McNasty 2008-05-08 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

Your concern is duly noted.

But, as you are obviously "in the tank" for Senator Clinton, I will hedge my bet and figure your prediction is as good as mine.

Which is, we are soon to have our first black president.

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-08 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

Latinos will vote just fine, thank you.

You are the biggest sell out I have ever seen on this blog.

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

And you think that by voting for Obama, your personal issue of being called a " Negra" would disappear?

No no no!

Again, what have you done for the Latino Community?

Absolutely ZERO ! Nothing!

Next time you start lecturing your politically correct inferiority complex on us, you go visit a shrink first.

While Latinos are fighting for the democratic party, here you are calling white people racists for calling you a negra.

PLEAAAZZZZE

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

And just for the record cherrypie,

you've been called negra.

We've been called mestiza - mestizo !

That's your problem, not mine.

by latinfighter 2008-05-08 02:50PM | 0 recs
OMFG!


And just for the record cherrypie,

you've been called negra.

We've been called mestiza - mestizo !

That's your problem, not mine.

You did not go there...

You didn't just go there...

You did not just go there...

by kraant 2008-05-08 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: OMFG!

Yes, he did.

But, he won't be booted, cause he is for Hillary?

Jerome, Todd, Nice work here....

by WashStateBlue 2008-05-08 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

You don't even know me you douchebag.

Mestizo/mestiza?

I've been called negra?

What are you doing, wiki? This makes NO SENSE AT ALL!

Yes, those are words but you have no clue how to use them!

Obvious you are not a hispanic so quit playing B.S. games.

You have no idea what you are talking about which makes it even more obvious that you are not who you say you are.

This is an offensive and racist attack on me by somebody impersonating a latino which is even more offensive.

I can't believe people like you are not banned from this blog for this utter disrespect and childish attempt at manipulation.

You are a sad and pathetic person and I hope somebody who controls things around here calls you out and bans you for this B.S.

You are not a latino and anybody who is can tell by all the nonsense you have written on this blog.
 

by cherrygarcia 2008-05-08 03:09PM | 0 recs
Seriously...

Shame on them!

Absolute shame!

by kraant 2008-05-08 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

"Negra?"

Am I in the Twilight Zone?

by catilinus 2008-05-08 05:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes, Whites will vote less

Aren't we all in the Twilight Zone at this point?  It's the Primary that never ends.  Not matter how much you try to escape.

This bizarreness is just a symptom.

by The Distillery 2008-05-08 08:36PM | 0 recs
Um

Latinfighter,

You missed the gallup poll that showed Obama getting 67% of the latino vote while McCain barely cracks 35%. Please do your research before you make such blatantly false statements.

by sweet potato pie 2008-05-08 02:22PM | 0 recs
She was only quoting AP

You are playing a typical Obama race card. She was quoting Ap article. They were the words written in the AP article.

by indydem99 2008-05-08 02:00PM | 0 recs
The real truth of the matter

Racism is real in America, and there are Americans who will not vote for Obama specifically because he is black.

That's just a fact.

You can shout "race card" all you want at Obama and his supporters, but the fact remains that racism is affecting this nominating process.  Racism will also affect the presidential race.

Obama's campaign has been hurt by actual racism against him FAR MORE than it's been helped by playing any supposed "race cards."

It's depressing to think about; fellow Democrats opposing Obama simply because of his race.

by Slim Tyranny 2008-05-08 02:16PM | 0 recs
Oh That Hillary

she's such a "typical white person!"

by nikkid 2008-05-08 03:37PM | 0 recs
Not really...

... a "typical white person" is far better than that.

by kraant 2008-05-08 03:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's "white Americans"
This is silly. I'm an Obama supporter but it just sounds to me like Hillary slipped up. I don't think she was trying to say this.
by proseandpromise 2008-05-08 04:29PM | 0 recs
What do you think after...

... listening to this?

by kraant 2008-05-08 04:38PM | 0 recs
Re: What do you think after...
I think its stupid and it creates a negative narrative in the media, but I don't think she was actually saying that hard working people are all white. She was trying to say middle-class, blue-collar whites and stumbled. Its ridiculous to parse that finely, and we need to not think in those kinds of categories, but I don't think she was being overtly racist.
by proseandpromise 2008-05-08 04:55PM | 0 recs
Thing is...

... she didn't need to say "Hard Working", not to make her case.

by kraant 2008-05-08 05:07PM | 0 recs

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