TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

Last month, I argued that there was only room in media discourse for one "Un-Hillary," and that the lack of consensus about Hillary Clinton's political profile creates the potential for that "Un-Hillary" to emerge from the left or from the right.  Over at TNR, Ryan Lizza suggests, I think rightly, that John Edwards' star as a candidate for the Un-Hillary mantle is rising at the moment.  There's plenty to agree with in his analysis.  And then his piece ends with a peculiar turn of phrase:

A southern, moderate, antiwar, pro-labor candidate with low negatives and high positives who has already run for president is not a bad combination.

Why "moderate"?

Now, opposing our invasion of Iraq and the President's plan to "stay the course" there is a majority position in this country, as is support for the right to organize a union free of intimidation and the negotiation of trade deals that don't accelerate the race to the bottom.   These are both areas where, at least for now, a majority of Americans are on the left.  As Paul Waldman argues, there are more of them than one would think from listening to talking heads.  And as David Sirota argued in a series of pieces after the 2004 election, "centrism" in the dominant media discourse has been warped to describe a set of policies with much greater support among the elite than the electorate.  That said, the fact that most people in this country take a progressive position doesn't in and of itself make that position moderate, at least in the short term.

Sure, in the long term social change depends on pulling the center towards your end, as the right has done much better than the left over the past few decades.  And the most effective political leaders we have are the ones who can communicate progressive positions in ways which resonate with fundamental shared values even amongst people who don't see themselves as on the left.  But I still think it's worth questioning what, especially in the pages of the New Republic, qualifies Edwards as a representative of moderation - other than the fact that he's popular, and if you believe moderation to be popular with the American people, you're inclined to look at someone as popular as him to be moderate as well (remember the DLC essay right when it looked like Kerry was going to beat Bush that celebrated how Trumanesque he was?)

Otherwise, what is it that makes Edwards moderate in Lizza's eyes?  His voting record when he last held office (by which standard the likes of Howard Dean and Ned Lamont - neither likely to win any popularity awards from TNR - are at least as moderate)?  His support for the death penalty?  His equivocation on civil unions?  Or is it just the fact that he's from the South, and liberalism in some pundit's minds is a cultural affectation and not an ideological vision, and thus not something a southerner could or would want to take part in?

Look, Edwards is no uber-leftist by any means, and there are certainly issues on which he could be more progressive and deserves criticism for not being.  But it's hard to escape the sense that he wins the moderate label here and elsewhere because he comes off as likable and electable, and it's assumed that any likable electable politician must be a moderate.

Tags: clinton, Edwards, Electability, moderate, Primary, TNR, trade, war (all tags)

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Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

Democrats who voted with Bush's agenda (like Edwards, Lieberman, and Hillary) are called moderate.

But Republicans who have voted against his agenda are also called moderate.

The term "moderate" doesn't seem to mean, or stand for, anything.

Now, doing yoga for PR.....THAT stands for something!

by Sitkah 2006-07-30 11:31PM | 0 recs
Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

The "moderate" doesn't seem to stand for anything?

Sorry, but you seem to have it "wrong".  Here in the Sonoran Desert, the adage, of "The only thing that changes in America, is its history" is a dilemma that seems to infect everything in America that is non-Sonoran Desert.

Take for example, the Invasion of Iraq.  Chicanos, African Americans, and Native Americans were adamantly opposed to this War of Choice long before, the anti-war folks joined our bandwagon here in the Desert.

For those of us who are Moderates, some thought should be given to the notion that there are two communities of thought.  And thusly, there are "aggressive" Moderates, as well as "passive" Moderates.  Confusing "passive" Moderates is similar to making the same mistake of not recognizing Confused Conservatives who very seldom demonstrate traditional political principles long-recognized in the body politic.

And we do, really appreciate the attention lavished on us for your attempt for moving "Moderates" to the Left.  Needless to say but I will, those of us who see ourselves as "aggressive" Moderates see our cousins, the Progessives, as our "kissing cousins" and which may be a little over the top in terms of describing our fellow citizens.  As such, there is much in agreement, far more so on some issues, but the Progressives were late in coming to the dance when it concerned the Invasion of Iraq.

by Jaango 2006-07-31 06:58AM | 0 recs
Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

I love your idea of "aggressive" and "passive" moderates.  Thom Hartmann calls his position "the radical middle".  You're right.  There are those of us who know that we are in a simmering pot and those who think they are in a jacuzzi. Some of us have already jumped out and are hopping mad.

by Feral Cat 2006-07-31 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

I'm afraid I still don't know what "moderate" stands for (in terms of DC politicians) -- unless it's supporting Bush if you're a Democrat and opposing him if you're a Republican.

And this makes two diaries based on TNR buildups of Edwards. Since when is William F. Buckley choosing Democratic presidential nominees?

by Sitkah 2006-07-31 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

TNR here means the New Republic, not the National Review. (Although for all I know, William F. Buckley personally might be somewhere to the left of the New Republic these days.)

by Crazy Vaclav 2006-07-31 12:37PM | 0 recs
Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

the way the press uses it- it means nothing. but the way I use it- I am a moderate because I believe in incremetnal change that allows for the reality that theory isn't the same as practical considerations. There are some lines that I won't cross- ie, people's rights etc, but for govt programs- I am for allowing testing of programs at the state rather than federal level. ie, i liked feingold's idea for healthcare by the govt, but at the state, rather than federal level. those are moderate proposals. of course, the word moderate has been distorted by the way centrists use it. which is really, what i think you are arguing against. moderation doesn't mean having no values. it means how you implement the values. someone who is coming strictly from the idealogical right or left, would not consider the weight of whether their theories are indeed factually the way the world works, or whether maybe they are only explaining a part, whereas someone who is moderate is more leary of theorectical approaches to politics. It's not an easy thing to explain because it requires a lot of give and take and consideration of ideas, etc based on a core value system. Whereas centrist has no particular value system other than sticking one's finger in the wind. If you want to understand it- understand it as process. I left leaning moderate like me will share your core value but want to figure out- for example- if there are other approaches to welfare (not the way CLinton did it mind you) that will yield better results for the people on it.

by bruh21 2006-07-31 01:58PM | 0 recs
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I also likely your phrasing- I have been searching for a way to describe myself- aggressive moderate sounds right to me.

by bruh21 2006-07-31 01:53PM | 0 recs
Edwards clearly has the inside track...

...to stopping Hillary Clinton from running the Democrats into a brick wall in 2008. You hit the nail on the head that he is perceived as moderate and electable because he is likeable (and Southern doesn't hurt, either).

This gives him the intriguing advantage of being able to run to her left while still being generally viewed as "moderate" and electable. She has to keep trying to establish her "centrist" bona fides -- sending Bill to campaign for Lieberman looks like just one more attempt -- in a futile attempt to appeal to independents and moderate Republicans. Meanwhile, she risks turning off the Democratic base.

Edwards can push progressive populism, using "morals and values" language to appeal to swing voters, and starts from a stronger position:

by MeanBoneII 2006-07-31 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Edwards clearly has the inside track...

This gives him the intriguing advantage of being able to run to her left while still being generally viewed as "moderate" and electable.

Do Democrats REALLY want to run another Kerryesque campaign?

How about a candidate who doesn't need to reinvent himself every 5 minutes and rely on contrived imagery? I know Republicans get away with it, but that's just because so many conservatives lap up that kind of swill. Liberals need honestly good people to get behind.

Emulating GOP tactics is as as deadly for Democrats as adopting their positions.

by Sitkah 2006-07-31 12:47PM | 0 recs
My parents...

...are consevative democrats (my father is more liberal, but still fairly conservative) who would consider voting Republican if they hadn't seen Republicans destroy everything they have ever touched since 1972.

They LOVE Edwards.

Personally he lacks gravitas to me because of his lack of experience though he has some strong ideas and of course the Two Americas, plus he is the kind of lawyer I wouldn't mind being someday. I might go for Edwards if he ever got some serious traction.

Still prefer Clark and Feingold though Edwards is an acceptable substitute. Please not Hillary.

by MNPundit 2006-07-31 05:55PM | 0 recs
A look at Edwards' resume...

...after he retired from being the most feared trial lawyer in North Carolina (negligent corporations and greedy insurance companies learned the hard way to reach settlements with him rather than try their luck with a jury).

1. United States Senator: Winning a statewide race against the Helms machine in N.C. earned him an inside look at D.C. power politics, the good, the bad, and definitely the ugly -- the role of lobbyists and special interests, and how the influence of money has pushed aside the interests of the average American citizen.

2. Foreign Intelligence Committee member: This provided him with insight into national security and how the various global powers are intertwined. He traveled overseas, including to the Middle East, met with foreign leaders and gained a more international perspective.

3. Democratic Party's vice presidential nominee: Edwards has the valuable experience of having been through a national campaign, so he knows how to raise money, deal with local and national media, and thrive on the grueling campaign trail.

4. Director of the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity at the University of North Carolina: He has focused on developing and communicating solutions for a problem that, thanks to the GOP's disastrous policies, will only increase in significance as the middle class is squeezed. By making poverty his signature issue, Edwards also positions himself to connect with "morals and values" voters, many of whom also are being squeezed.

5. Co-chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations independent task force on U.S. policy toward Russia: No doubt, Edwards took this job to boost his foreign policy profile, and it has resulted in a number of trips overseas, including (obviously) to Russia. The overriding conclusions of the task force have been that Russia is showing signs of reverting to its authoritarian past and the West should encourage Russia to push ahead with democratic reforms.

It's not the longest resume in politics by any means, but it's substantial. And we've seen numerous examples of people voting for the superior candidate rather than the longer resume. Expect to see Edwards make the most of his experience:

"When I was elected by the people of North Carolina..."

"One thing I learned while I was serving in Washington..."

"During my time on the Foreign Intelligence Committee..."

"Serving as director the Center on Poverty, Work and Opportunity..."

"As co-chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations task force..."

by MeanBoneII 2006-07-31 11:38PM | 0 recs
Re: TNR Deems Edwards Moderate

Well said, MeanBoneII.   The question I'm not hearing is how much experience did B#%h have in foreign policy - and look at where we are now.  As you point out, JRE does have experience garnered from being on the Foreign Intelligence Committee, and  co-chairing the Foreign Relations Task Force to Russia.  Several trips abroad, one to give the keynote address in Brussels.  All of which make his accusers look a little silly.  

Add to that his work on poverty, which is a Global issue, and the true commpassion he has demonstrated to those in need (so unlike His Nibs' bestowing his "Compassionate Conservative" schtick only on the Rich),  all show humanity an understanding of world wide problems that has been sadly lacking in others "more experienced."

by Bumpa 2006-08-01 05:39AM | 0 recs
On the other hand...

...I KNOW I could do a far far better job that Bush as president. Of course so could moldy bread so that doesn't signify much. Still I think I am open to the possibility he could do it but I'd like to see him get some more experience first.

by MNPundit 2006-08-01 09:26AM | 0 recs
The problem, of course, is that the demostrated...

...ability to govern is not the sole factor in actually getting into the White House. Governors have won recently, but also lost, and non-governors have won previously.

So what factors beyond political experience do swing voters care about? If we can't WIN, all the governing experience in the world does us no good.

by MeanBoneII 2006-08-01 10:37AM | 0 recs
1980.

Jimmy Carter had been governor of Georgia.

If you prefer career politicians, so be it.

by MeanBoneII 2006-08-02 09:06AM | 0 recs

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