The ONLY Question is "Who Best Can Beat McCain?"

Hillary is actually the glue. Bill was a Walmart Greeter who had the gift of the gab but who was morally bankrupt sexually etc.

This is my first and last Diary, I'm 61 and a white male who emphatically wants a Dem to WIN in November. I don't care about race or gender or age issues. I'm Left of Centre on social issues and right of centre on many other issues.

I'm anti-gun, pro choice, do not feel threatened by gay marriage concept, have $, have 2 degrees and strongly believe that it is an American Tragedy of the first order that millions of folks do not have health care

I was "for" the Iraq Invasion becuase I belived that the liklihood was very high that Saddam had WMD. I think that GWB is one of the WORST Presidents of all time-and a national embarassment at that.

Why do I feel the need to write down my thoughts here? Beacause I think that too many Dems have it wrong. This should NOT be about age or gender or race -and it should NOT be about "turning the page" vs the 'establishment. This IS about WHO can best beat McCain in November. Everything else is a smokescree, We Democrats have often found a way to shoot ourselves in the foot by staying true to our 'core values' in the Primaries only to see that we have played into the GOP's hands and we Lose the General!

Simply put--When I cross that bridge to do battle with the 'enemy' on the other side waiting for us in Nov I want ot make sure that we have the best ammunition and the best scrapper that can be found--Cause we can;t go back !!

McCain in my judgment will easily defeat Obama in Nov once the real deal gets going--forget all these silly polls done now re Obama vs McCain or HRC vs NcCain--that's highly naive and also VERY premature!

He will have a much harder time vs Hillary in the end--She will neutralize his war/ terrorist calling cards and by the Fall folks will be worried about the economy and women will shift furthur to Hillary (amoung the 10% swing between the 45% given's on either side)--"If we don't do it now, it will be lost for generations" type of thinking---as long as Hillary can be viewed as not a typical far left leaning Liberal and appeal to conservative values at the margin

Folks--Get with the program here--this is a BIG deal--Do not fall for this "change" junk that the Obama side is pushing--In every  Pres election there is ALWAYS a 'change' thing--in the real world of rough and tumble politics, a blood sport, we MUST have Hillary !! when we do battle in November

I've been a HRC supporter for 3 months now--WHY?--Mainly because My sense is that she can and will make us proud when we cross that river. She is a fighter and contrary to many folks who keep saying she is Too Polarizing to win ,the truth is that the alternative (Obama) will get eaten alive even if some of us feel mesmerized by his oratory etc etc

Hillary is actually the glue here--Bill had so much going for him but of the two was more morally bankrupt (zipper). Hillary is the brains as well as the substance here !!--my take anyway

Tags: HRC, mccain, obama (all tags)



The Only Answer

The ONLY answer is Hillary, Hillary, and Hillary.  

by izarradar 2008-02-01 02:51PM | 0 recs
Obama's playing the fear card

now, after saying anything to win the nom, without assuring us about his unvetted past other than 'nonsense' he's claiming his supporters won't vote for Hillary, while hers will vote for him. What won't he say to win the nom?  How's he going to trump McCain's experience when it comes to the fall, and he gets plenty vetted.  

by anna shane 2008-02-01 02:59PM | 0 recs
no one will ever win

if you cannot get mod/independent voters. hillary cannot get those votes. that is undeniable.

by highgrade 2008-02-01 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: no one will ever win

she has gotten lots of those votes.  She got more of them than Obama in Florida.

by MollieBradford 2008-02-01 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: no one will ever win

I'm very moderate and find her the more moderate of the two candidates.

by ejintx 2008-02-01 03:08PM | 0 recs
Re: The ONLY Question is "Who Best Can

There is just no evidence of that at all.  Indeed, the only twice elected Democrat since FDR has been Bill Clinton.  Hillary recieved over a 100k votes more than McCain in Florida last week.

by masslib1 2008-02-01 02:55PM | 0 recs
While I agree

with much of what you have written, I do think that Obama could beat McCain in the general election. It wouldn't be a mandate by any means, so the question many of the Hillary supporters have is how will Obama deliver what he says he can deliver?

by Coldblue 2008-02-01 03:00PM | 0 recs
Re: While I agree

Which Hillary supporters?

by masslib1 2008-02-01 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: While I agree

People I talk with that support Hillary don't believe the post-partisan Obama rhetoric.

by Coldblue 2008-02-01 03:07PM | 0 recs
Heard this argument before

Do you honestly think the repugs would lay down and roll over if Obama got the nomination?  I doubt that seriously. The old saying applies:  Dems need to fall in love with their candidate, Republicans simply fall in line.  No matter who are candidate is.  

As to the repugs uniting "big time to go after the Clintons?"  All the more reason to band together as dems to stand strong behind our nominee.  It's not the first time they've tried to take down Hill, and look how she's still standing.  And standing pretty damn strongly---Almost 900,000 people voted for her in Florida---She had more votes than any of them, repugs or dems.  And I wouldn't rule out the female repug voters who might be quiet right now but very loud once they're inside the polling booth casting a historical vote for one of their sisters.  

by izarradar 2008-02-01 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: The ONLY Question

Sometimes the view from the other side is the best reality check to the partisan blindfold that can come from supporting a candidate.

I read a lot of conservative blogs and media just to see what the other side is saying.

Here's the consensus: they are terrified of Obama. They think Clinton is their only chance of victory this year, because she will consolidate conservatives who are otherwise unenthusiastic about McCain. Obama is charismatic and appeals strongly to independents, which is what wins elections.

by animated 2008-02-01 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: The ONLY Question is "Who Best Can

I disagree with this notion that the entire Republican party will unite behind McCain if Hillary is the Democratic nominee anymore than they will if Obama is.
If you go to right wing conservative blogs, you'll see that there are a significant number of conservatives who refuse to support McCain under any circumstance (a good number who have even stated they would vote for Clinton over him).

Hillary has already been dragged through the mud by the Repubs, and she can take more dragging.  They've already exposed all the "skeletons" in her closet.  Obama has never had to deal with attacks from the right, and I'm not sure if he can (his reaction to the Clintons' softball attacks over the past month sure don't make it seem like he'll be able to).  If race was an issue in these primaries, it will be even a larger issue in the general election.  And I'm sure we will be seeing a LOT more about Obama being a Muslim.  Also, if the general election is Obama vs. McCain, experience will become a major issue, and that will not help him at all.

by musicpvm 2008-02-01 03:06PM | 0 recs



Per Taylor Marsh

by lonnette33 2008-02-01 03:11PM | 0 recs
Somebody loses

when Republicans coalesce: typically it is the Democrats.

by Coldblue 2008-02-01 03:55PM | 0 recs
both candidates could have trouble

against McCain.

I am inclined to think that with Clinton as our nominee, this would be a close election.

With Obama, we could conceivably win bigger, but we could also lose Dukakis-style.

by desmoinesdem 2008-02-01 05:00PM | 0 recs
Only one answer: EDWARDS

My vote is still with him.

by yann123 2008-02-01 05:44PM | 0 recs
Only one answer: EDWARDS

Democrats... you messed it up for us... again....

Cnn poll was:

Edwards +8

Obama  0

Hillary   -2

...against McCain...

A bit late to think of this now ...

by yann123 2008-02-01 05:47PM | 0 recs
Sorry but,

both Obama and Hillary will make this race close.  My guess is that Obama wins by three points and Hillary by two.  Hillary WILL cause the Republicans to unite to beat her down.  Everytime I read Red State and talk to my Republican friends they all tell me of thier distaste for her.  I also have many moderate friends who said that they will vote Democratic only if Hillary is not the nominee. Otherwise they will sit out.  I live in a very Republican county with many extreme partisan and extreme conservatives.  They all tell me this about Hillary.  So you people down the thread who laugh or criticize others who say this, WAKE UP because you will highly disappointed.

by SocialDem 2008-02-01 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry but,

many of those people are in republican states/districts that Dems don't have to win.

Plus, once the GE comes around, republicans want to know whether you are pro-life, gay, guns, etc...

Once they start talking about this, hope won't matter.  Republican's won't vote for Obama and will unite against him.  

Everyone just knows Hillary already.

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: You're 100% right

I COMPLETELY agree with you.  Thanks so much for writing this!

by DrGary 2008-02-01 06:02PM | 0 recs


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