Actually have requested that already today.

Their response to the Ashley Todd incident was STUNNINGLY racist, almost beyond belief, given these people CLAIM to be some santuary for disenfranchised supporters of the Senator Clinton...

Where would we get our laughs from then?

This is the diary I've been wanting to write (but have been too lazy to).  Thanks, you.

Good lord, there's a huge amount of concentrated insanity over there. They're no better than Redstate. They may even be worse.

They blamed the credit crunch on lending to minorities.

They claim Barack isn't a real black person.

They call him the "affirmative action candidate."

Racism is the raison d'etre of the PUMA movement, and so it goes with that racist hag Goldberry and her circle of sheet-wearing loons.

I've attempted to be one of Jerome's defenders on this site. I need to see what you're talking about.

What is his role, exactly?

in response to their attempt to politicize Ashley Todd blowing up:

Oh, and lets not forget about how fucking hypocritical you are.  Several years ago the Duke rape case was the talk of the nation.  Democrats (myself included) were shocked that a woman would be brutalized by a group of men.  It was even more inflammatory because the victim was a black woman and the men were all rich, white, ivy leaguers.   But guess what?  Turns out she made the whole thing up.  What did the right wing do?  Gloat like you pigs are doing right now.  SHAME ON YOU.  But that wasn't enough.  Liars like Amanda Marcotte and Pam Spaulding continued to protest her story and just the other day she released her memoirs, maintaining she was a victim.  Where is your outrage about that?  Exactly, it doesn't exist because you don't give a shit about women's rights, or brutality against women.  You want your Obamesiah.  And if you don't you'll riot and scream and cry and stomp your feet until you're blue in the face.  Go for it.  I don't give a shit.  You're all a bunch of sick heartlesss zombies.

The confluence is baffling. I supported Hillary in the primaries: she had a better (further left) energy plan than Obama and I'm a climate voter.

I assumed they were further left too. At that time they seemed to be espousing the "don't cave in to Republicans" POV, which Hillary represented: the feisty true FDR Democrat, willing to take on the fight, like when she made O'reilly squirm and admit that rich people should pay more tax.

If they still believe that she was the leftiest option, how could they possibly want a Republican to be president? Madness reigns there. I am sure Hillary is horrified by the craziness.

I know why Hillary asks for a 60 vote Senate: but the confluence writers don't want to give Democrats a majority! The only way we get anywhere on climate legislation is a 60 vote Senate, and to keep the next oilygarchy out of the WH, and Palin represents the Cheney in the ticket.

In every renewables vote, McCain has voted the same as (global warming is a hoax)Inhofe!

Dirty As Inhofe
http://gristmill.grist.org/story/2008/9/ 22/125714/935

Regardless of the injustices and sexism in the primary, Obama has voted just like Boxer on clean energy. Even if his plan was not quite as perfect as hers, he now has Hillary's  policy advisor Neera Tanden.

The difference between Obama and McCain is truly as extreme as between Boxer and Inhofe. But nobody there cares. They just want revenge, even if it means destroying the planet.

I wholeheartedly support this petition.

One clarification from the previous comments.  I don't believe that Alegre should be lumped in with the craziest of the crazies.  

I have visited her corner consistently during the election to get a feeling of what was going on.  She doesn't like Obama and feels that Hillary got screwed, but she refuses to vote McCain and deletes diaries that are clearly supporting the repub ticket.  I am not saying that she hasn't sometimes gone too far but we shouldn't forget that she is a progressive and a Democrat.  

After the election, we should reach out to her and many others at her blog and work together to pass the reforms that we all want.

jesus, they're fucking nuts.

Here at the Confluence, River Daughter and many other writers have been warning of the violence the Obama campaign and its supporters have basically advocated by not decrying violent images of Hillary, Sarah, and their women supporters.  This is vile and is exactly what misogyny produces.

I hope that this young woman recovers and that Senator Obama will take time out from his campaign to finally call the dogs off women for simply voicing their support for some one other than him.  I also hope that the press finally stops reporting on `fake' threats towards Obama when there are real women whose lives are put on the line by the sexism Obama supporters have incited, encouraged, and displayed.  The media should also admit its culpability in this attack.

Thanks for the heads up. Will address.

The "liberal blogosphere" has become a complete extension of the Democratic Party as controlled by Barack Obama.  That may or may not be a good thing, but more mandatory groupthink seems unnecessary.

I set up an e-mail account and signed onto some petition asking for a resolution to Michigan and Florida. It turns out that this Clinton supporter is an extremely enthusiastic supporter and donor to the Obama/Biden ticket. I think they will be the best thing that has happened to this country in at least the last 100 years, even if they are only able to succeed in stabilizing this country and repairing some of the incredible damage Republicans have done to it in the last several decades. But they have already managed to encourage and ask everyone in this country to come together and work together as Americans. Democrats lead but moderate, honest and reasonable Independents and Republicans are not excluded.

Ridding the Senate and House of the obstructionist, money grabbing, couldn't care less about the people who actually live in America Republicans means a new start without the same old failed policies. I got a sexist and racist, anti-Jewish hate mail from someone who was collecting signatures from that petition. I've also recently gotten them at my place of employment, which means they are trolling the donations sites.

The site you talk about does not represent progressives as much as it demonstrates how others will exploit pathology if they believe they can wrest power or make money off the crazed, vulnerable, and disappointed. The Confluence is a McCain campaign supporting site. Not Clinton supporting, not progressive supporting, not thoughtful and honest discussion of any aspect of this election season except really old scab picking.  The onty thing it exists to do is amplify certain individual's opinions.

I'm sure it's owners are just collecting material to write a book that will never sell or something. Otherwise it's just a place where a few people hang out and discuss themselves. Reminds me of that Billy Joel song, "Bigshot". It doesn't belong here as a link, but the really important question is whether they link here. Because then people can come here and enjoy much less anger and hate filled discussion.  We will eventually win them over unless they are able to recognize that even in the blogosphere a damaged psyche repels even those  who might provide help.

It looks like almost all of Hillary's supporters, and most about everyone else for that matter will vote Obama/Biden and for the Democrats running all down the ticket. Of course if you never actually supported Clinton you might spend your time there, but does anybody even do that anymore? The only less trafficked site where people have really missed the boat and still think they are waiting for it to dock is the RNC site.

Actually, I'm much more interested in the ability to edit a post within the first 30 minutes of posting it, and the ability to indicate that that a recommended diary has it's detractors. Kind of like downrating a diary to indicate opposition so we can exercise our trusted users rights more expansively. But I guess that would drive down traffic.

I don't know if they are full-on racists, but I do think they resent what they see as race being elevated above gender.  However, the ways in which they express their outrage are ridiculous and myopic.  

Take a post from today (I peek over from time to time): Riverdaughter wrote a post that basically said that women have it worse than anyone and punctuated it with a YouTube video of John Lennon singing "Woman is the N***r of the World."  I can understand resentment of women's issues being put on the back burner (whether or not they actually are), but to use *John Lennon as a spokesperson for women's empowerment?

The same Lennon who verbally and physically abused his first wife and (likely) his second, who left his first wife financially strapped and did not see his son for several years, and who at the time of his death still did not have a normal relationship with his son and ex.  That Lennon?  He wrote a progressive-sounding song, so that makes him a credible speaker for women's issues?

And don't get me started on all of the "I don't support either candidate.  MY candidate didn't get chosen.  But gosh, isn't that McCain super swell?"

[Btw., I was a Hillary supporter during the primaries.  A lot of shit from the Obama supporters pissed me off, especially on DailyKos.  I think there needs to be ground rules so that we don't treat Democrats we disagree with like the worst of the Republicans.  Hillary never came close to being the gross embarrassment that is Sarah Palin.]

They claim that they are outraged by all the alleged misogyny directed at Sarah Palin, while the current front-page post is a joke about the author's ex-wife being a witch and hurting herself.  I guess the hypersensitivity doesn't go both ways.

The extreme insanity and nastiness on site are extremely depressing.

I live in Tampa.  Since I moved here in August, Obama has been here, Biden has been, and Hillary has been here.  Joe's wife is here today, I think.  Tampa is turning blue in ten days.  The Conflucians are in for a very rough morning on Nov. 5th.