How Obama became State Senator - the sordid tale

Alice Palmer is campaigning for Hillary Clinton in Indiana.
Palmer is the former Illinois state senator.
 In the '90's,  she selected Obama to be her successor while
she ran for Congress.  
But when she tried to reclaim her spot, B.O. got her kicked off the ballot.

The Chicago Tribune has the dirt on how Mr. Niceguy became state senator.
Warning: It isn't pretty. /chi-070403obama-ballot,1,57567.story

Tags: Alice Palmer, clinton, obama, Primary (all tags)



No, she got herself kicked off the ballot.

Because she didn't bother to get enough valid signatures on her petitions.

She urged Obama to run for her seat and he did. He turned in his petitions, raised money and started campaigning.

Then, when it became clear to her that she could not win the primary for the congressional seat, she bailed on her congressional run and reneged on helping Obama win his seat.

She wanted him to drop out and he refused. Then she made a mistake a lot of incumbents make: she got complacent about collecting signatures on her ballot petitions.

The rule of thumb in Illinois is to get three times the amount of signatures that you need. She only got two times the amount, and, thus was subject to a challenge by the Obama campaign.

Election officials found that she did not have the requisite number of valid signatures, and, thus, her name would not be on the ballot.

And she has been pissed off at Obama ever since.

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-26 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: No, she got herself kicked off the ballot.

Hey bobby she's not...haven't you heard..."it's a woman's perogative to change her mind".....she did...she decided to help Hill, you have a problem with that?

by NHLight 2008-04-26 02:59PM | 0 recs
Not at all!

She's campaigning for Clinton. Good for her.

But she remains bitter about Obama not bowing to her wishes to bail on his state senate run after she promoted him as her successor than got her behind whipped in the congressional primary.

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-26 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Not at all!

it's all in your head....let it is to short to be bitter...

by NHLight 2008-04-26 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Not at all!

Please direct your remarks to Alice Palmer, c/o The Campaign to elect Hillary Clinton.

Also, go easy on "it's a woman's perogative [sic] to change her mind".  That probably kills in freeperville, but not so much here.

by Mostly 2008-04-26 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Not at all!

There you Obama folks go again, calling people bitter.  /sn

by bobbank 2008-04-26 03:19PM | 0 recs
Alice is still bitter.


by Bob Johnson 2008-04-26 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: No, she got herself kicked off the ballot.

You write,

"No, she got herself kicked off the ballot... Because she didn't bother to get enough valid signatures on her petitions."

If you look at how the process worked, you'll see that Barack Obama took affirmative steps to kick her off the ballot.  He filed objections and invoked hearings on the signatures.  It was not the case that election officials, sua sponte, denied her candidacy.  

For what it's worth, he did that not only to her, but to all of his other opponents that election.

Both Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama are very power hungry and ambitious.  The key difference is that Hillary makes no false pretense to the contrary.  Barack's "new enlightened civil" way of doing politics is one of the biggest hoaxes that's been pulled on the party in years.    

by BPK80 2008-04-26 03:04PM | 0 recs
What the Obama campaign did in that race...

... is commonplace in Chicago and Illinois politics. Perhaps you don't know much about politics in Illinois.

I suggest you read the entire article linked in the diarist's post:

Such tactics are legal and frequently used in Chicago. Ballot challenges eliminated 67 of the 245 declared aldermanic candidates in Chicago before this past February's elections, an election board spokesman said.

When a candidate is too lazy, arrogant or complacent to get the requisite number of valid signatures, the candidate has no one but him/herself to blame.

This happens in every election. That's why the rule of thumb is to get 3X the number of signatures necessary.

Invariably, when a candidate in a contested primary turns in less than 3X the required signatures, an opponent will challenge the petitions.

That's the way it works, whether you like it or not.

Alice Palmer, of all people, knew this.

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-26 03:17PM | 0 recs
Oh, so he made sure the rules were followed

That bastard!

by notme54 2008-04-26 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, so he made sure the rules were followed

Dammit.  Why does he ALWAYS do that?

by Capt America 2008-04-26 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: No, she got herself kicked off the ballot.

No one's ever been able to explain to me why Alice Palmer turned in a flawed petition, and more importantly, why it would have been incumbent on Barack Obama to look the other way.

by Mostly 2008-04-26 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: No, she didn't

What Obama did is a new form of "voter caging".  Alice had valid signatures, but Obama was armed with a team of lawyers who could find something "wrong" with all of her petition signers.  That's outright disenfranchising voters who have made their candidate wishes known and kicking them off the list.  Republicans have stolen at least two elections doing a variation of this.  Now we find out this is how Obama won at least one Illinois election.  What else don't we know about Obama?  

We do know he wants half of Clinton's votes in Michigan and Florida.  He just doesn't want to play fair. He doesn't like opponents at all.  I wonder if he can even win a valid election without cheating his opponent some how or other?
I just wonder, because he's never done it.

by shellius 2008-04-26 07:26PM | 0 recs

Show one source that claims Palmer had enough legal signatures.

by Adam B 2008-04-26 07:46PM | 0 recs
You are either misinformed or lying.

The names on the petitions were in no way "disenfanchised." The reason the signatures are ruled "not valid" is because the election boa does canvassing and the signers have already been stricken from the voter rolls.

In other words, a candidate challenging an opponent's petitions works from a canvassed voter list.

You are full of crap.

by Bob Johnson 2008-04-26 10:24PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

After repeated assurances by Alice Palmer that she would not run against Barack Obama, she went back on her word, and then tried to launch her State Senate bid with a fraudulent petition.

by Mostly 2008-04-26 03:03PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

okay....I understand that....that was then, this is now.....let it go!

by NHLight 2008-04-26 03:05PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

I think you have me confused with someone else.

by Mostly 2008-04-26 03:07PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta
are you holding it against her that "she went back on her word"  that "she would not run" ....?
do you hold it against BO that he "went back on (his) word" to Illinois voters that he would serve his full term in the US Senate?
by jentwisl 2008-04-27 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

This is a ridiculous attack. Palmer didn't follow the rules and Obama was supposed to let that go?

by politicsmatters 2008-04-26 03:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Cheating isn't pretty

Obama makes up his own rules as he goes along.  

Voters don't matter to him.  He doesn't even seem to believe in the democratic system.

by shellius 2008-04-26 07:28PM | 0 recs
I liked this quote..

We actually ran a terrific campaign up until the point we knew that we weren't going to have to appear on the ballot with anybody, Obama said.


I guess that seems similar to his position on FL and MI, as announced by one of his top surrogates: we think FL and MI should be seated, just so long as it is done in a way that does not effect the outcome.

Mm hmm.

If this story gets media traction, which it might due to Palmer's decision to campaign with Hillary, I don't think it bodes well for Obama.  It certainly won't be another disaster, but this is really going to undermine his marketing brand.  It also ressonates with his handling of FL and MI, generally, as well as his incessant math-is-inevitible argument, which seems to beaurocratic for some folks.

Nothing huge, but definitely a shrewd acquisition by team Hillary.

by bobbank 2008-04-26 03:29PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

What goes around comes around. I really believe in the karmic law of the universe.

Obama did injustice to Alice Palmer, and he will pay for it eventually. And looks like the time is now.

by JoeySky18 2008-04-26 03:39PM | 0 recs
Sour grapes make bitter whine.

by pinche tejano 2008-04-26 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

Looks like Obama is getting a little "instant karma"

by K1966 2008-04-26 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: How Obama became State Senator - the sordid ta

So Obama has a history of not gracefully stepping out of the way of the presumptive nominee? Such cheek.

by Mandoliniment 2008-04-26 09:00PM | 0 recs


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