Obama does not have the final say on VP choice!

Technically speaking Sen. Obama does not have the final say. Nominations for VP could be made on the floor and his nominee could be defeated.

The vice presidential candidates of the major national political parties are formally selected by each party's quadrennial nominating convention, following the selection of their presidential candidates. The official process is identical to the one by which the presidential candidates are chosen, with delegates placing the names of candidates into nomination, followed by a ballot in which candidates must receive a majority to secure the party's nomination.

I do not think it is a good idea to do that because that might weaken our nominee and create a spectacle. On the other hand it might strengthen our nominee. What do you think?

There is always a chance a VP could become POTUS without getting elected. Don't you think the National delegates to the convention should have an honest say?

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by Geekesque 2008-08-22 01:24PM | 0 recs
the quintessence of concern

I do not think it is a good idea to do that because that might weaken our nominee and create a spectacle. On the other hand it might strengthen our nominee. What do you think?

This should be in the concern manual.

by Koan 2008-08-22 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: the quintessence of concern

Mojo'd for use of quintessence.  That word is seldom seen.

by rfahey22 2008-08-22 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on VP choic

Not this bullshit again.

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-22 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on VP choic

Spiffy!

Check out my new sig!  Seems to have a place here, in this diary.

by Stipes 2008-08-22 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on VP choic

Lovely sig.

Wise words which this diarist obviously wouldn't understand.

by spacemanspiff 2008-08-22 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on VP choic

which this diarist obviously wouldn't understand.

No, they probably wouldn't... :-(

Thanks Man!

Cheers Spiffy!

by Stipes 2008-08-22 03:02PM | 0 recs
Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Clinton just threw him a left hook today with this vetting story.  Now if he announces anyone other than her --- who he didn't even vet --- he is left to deal with the fall out.

My guess is she doesn't want it, wouldn't accept it, but is loving seeing him deal with this story.

by dpANDREWS 2008-08-22 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

There are only two outcomes at this point

1)  He didn't vet her and intends to choose her which is a compliment to her and we need to give him credit for that.

2)  He never seriously considered her and this is his Jeffords moment where its clear he doesn't know what he is doing for the first time.  If this is the case I hope the super delegates have the sense to jump to Hillary in the roll call vote.

by dtaylor2 2008-08-22 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Yes - CLEARY he  must nominate Clinton or he is evil.

That is OBVIOUS at this point.

vomit in own mouth

Whatever - boo Clinton.  Didn't need to vet her because she wasn't in the running.  Get over it.

by teknofyl 2008-08-22 01:37PM | 0 recs
Wasn't vetted. Wasn't wanted.

Obama doesn't need her (or, technicall,y certain demographics of her supporters).

He won't be bullied into picking her just because of some small dip in the polls.

by iohs2008 2008-08-22 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Wasn't vetted. Wasn't wanted.

We'll see.

by zenful6219 2008-08-22 02:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Wasn't vetted. Wasn't wanted.

I guess you've been simply ignoring the facts on the ground?  He needs her worse than Kennedy needed Johnson.

He won't be bullied, for sure that's true, but when he falls, it will by his own choices, not those someone else made for him.

And a small dip?  That's like saying the Grand Canyon is just a hole in the ground.

Your words are too profound...not.

by TxDem08 2008-08-22 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Wasn't vetted. Wasn't wanted.

Tasteless analogy. Flawed logic. Wishful thinking.
No quarters for you.

I have to wonder, though, what kind of person hangs out on Democratic websites to badmouth the Democratic nominee as if to try and discourage and disillusion the vast majority of Democrats who support him, and thus depress turnout in November? What kind of person comes to a Democratic blog and advocates for the defeat of the Democratic candidate, and isn't even subtle about it?

Actually, I don't wonder. But it's a sad waste of human intellect and energy nonetheless.

by BobzCat 2008-08-22 02:49PM | 0 recs
There is another option

3) The story was completely bogus, because Clinton was vetted from the primaries.

by Dracomicron 2008-08-22 01:38PM | 0 recs
Wasn't that how she ran?

That she was vetted; that everybody already knew all the bad stuff about her?

by iohs2008 2008-08-22 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Please do the world a favor and don't procreate.

by yitbos96bb 2008-08-22 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Wow, it's hard to believe you could post something even more demented then the diary itself?

Kudos, being that loony takes either talent, or great genetic blessing....

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-22 01:33PM | 0 recs
I am going to vote for him!

That does not mean I have kiss his ass like you!

by indydem99 2008-08-22 01:37PM | 0 recs
Fair enough

I'll uprate for a moment's sanity.

by iohs2008 2008-08-22 01:45PM | 0 recs
I would never vote a man for president

whose ass wasn't worthy of my hard-working white ass-kissing.  Obama is at least as ass-kiss-worthy as the Clintons!  And certainly more worthy than Senator Umpteen-Houses, who I would only give an air-ass-kiss to, at best, on a good day.

by Dumbo 2008-08-22 02:45PM | 0 recs
Spoken like a true Hillary Hater.

Seriously.

by Geekesque 2008-08-22 01:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

except that it's an old story, at the beginning we knew who he'd asked for vetting info and for whom he did not. then as now it was seen as a sign that he would not even consider her as a running mate.  So, how it is her fault?  

If Barack wants to win the GE he has to pick her, she's the only one he could chose that would unite the party and forge consensus.  He says he hasn't even told the VP yet.  So, how is this her fault again?  

by anna shane 2008-08-22 01:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

If Barack wants to win the GE he has to pick her

So when he wins with someone else as VP, what will you say then?

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-08-22 02:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Nothing, cause he won't.  It's like gravity, the fall is inevitable.

by TxDem08 2008-08-22 02:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Wishing it to happen won't be anymore effective than you wishing his birth certificate was falsified.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-08-22 02:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

I'll be glad to be wrong, but, don't think I'm wrong, sadly.  

by anna shane 2008-08-23 11:31AM | 0 recs
enough of your two-faced act

Stop pretending you care about the GE.  The only thing worse than your hatred of Obama and really bizarre worship of Clinton is your dishonesty.

by JJE 2008-08-22 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: enough of your two-faced act

how bizarre, seems the hate won't stop?  I have one face.   I'm very consistent.  

by anna shane 2008-08-23 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama is sweating bullets as we speak

Do you really think Hillary would trash her own future in the party by playing stupid tricks so blatantly that even people like you can see it?

On the other hand...

by Gobama 2008-08-22 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on VP choic

For Christ's sake, will you guys give it a rest already?

by Jay R 2008-08-22 01:28PM | 0 recs
How come I am not surprised at who posted this...

"There is always a chance a VP could become POTUS without getting elected. Don't you think the National delegates to the convention should have an honest say in it"

Desperation has a certain smell to it, even across the internet....

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-22 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: How come I am not surprised at who posted this

"There is always a chance a VP could become POTUS without getting elected. Don't you think the National delegates to the convention should have an honest say in it"

Yup.  Force Obama to take Hillary... and then hope/wait for Obama to be assassinated.  Voila!  Mission accomplished for the bitter dead-enders.

Sure, it's a long shot, harder than any three-pointer, but what else have they got to hope for?

Yup, this does smack of desperation.  Why not just wait a couple of hours to see who the veep choice is before hinting at Obama's death.

by Dumbo 2008-08-22 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Unless he nominates Dick Cheney

Does anyone really care what those 50 irrelevant liars like or don't like? Besides Fox News, that is?

by BobzCat 2008-08-22 01:34PM | 0 recs
The Big Pussy Crowd

They can't even fill up a cheesecake factory in Denver.

by iohs2008 2008-08-22 01:40PM | 0 recs
Re: No

Nothing they do is interesting. Nothing.

I'm still astonished at how many people continue to feed the pumas' need for attention and conflict by engaging them here as if they were serious about anything. At best, they're pathetic casualties of the primary wars, and at worst they're republicans trying to reduce Democratic turnout and enthusiasm. Neither are here in good faith.

Nothing they do or say is interesting, and every comment they make should be ignored and/or hidden until they finally give up and go away. IMO.

by BobzCat 2008-08-22 01:41PM | 0 recs
Your name indicates that you might be a PUMA!

Are you?

Seriously, I am a Democrat of 30 year standing and you are accusing me of being PUMA because I disagree with you?

by indydem99 2008-08-22 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Your name indicates that you might be a PUMA!

Was I talking about you? Whatever gave you that idea?

Don't be so defensive. What you are is evident to anyone paying attention.

by BobzCat 2008-08-22 01:54PM | 0 recs
Bobcatz has not been posting

like a Puma.  (He even gave me a few 2's).  BNot a Puna...  Unless he's part of a sleeper cell!  In which case, he's running out of time to get his "Telefon" moment.

by Dumbo 2008-08-22 02:48PM | 0 recs
They'll say she was forced to

I post on one of the sites, under an assumed name, trying to instill cognitive dissonance.

When the topic of the Hillary whip team came up, I posted: "Why would Hillary, of course, deleted.

by iohs2008 2008-08-22 01:42PM | 0 recs
It's the tiny thread holding their minds together:

That she is being "forced" by Dean, Pelosi, Reed, Ayers, Rezkom, MSNBC, and Chicago thugs.

While I did for a while support her as VP, the more he resists the CW calls to pick her, the more I like him for not being "forced" (as if anyone could force Hillary either) into doing something.

by iohs2008 2008-08-22 01:48PM | 0 recs
Not going to happen.

The last time there was a roll call vote for the Vice Presidential nominee was in 1980 when Mondale was nominated with 73% of the vote. About 22% did not vote and the rest voted for other candidates.

I highly doubt we will see this happen again.

by RJEvans 2008-08-22 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on

Um, no.

by rfahey22 2008-08-22 01:44PM | 0 recs
Why do you hate Hillary Clinton?

You do her such disservice.

by BobzCat 2008-08-22 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Why do you hate Hillary Clinton?

Exactly!!!

If Hillary Clinton IS NOT Barack's choice, this conflict drags her into the mud.  Duh!  Regardless of what the rules say, for all practical purposes it is Barack's decision alone and no one else's.  

If Hillary Clinton IS Barack's choice, he must be seen to make that choice without pressure.  Otherwise he will be seen as weak.

This silly argument damages Hillary Clinton no matter what Barack decides.

by mtnspirit 2008-08-22 02:11PM | 0 recs
That's the point

This argument has from the beginning been designed to diminish both Obama and Clinton, pit their supporters against each other, and weaken the party as a whole.

That's why I'm beyond dubious of peoples' motives anymore when it comes to this. When Hillary herself has to mobilize a team to help contain people who would protest "on her behalf," it's an indication that they're out to hurt her, too.

by BobzCat 2008-08-22 02:25PM | 0 recs
Please

Drop the "flameout kit" and step gently away.

by RandyMI 2008-08-22 01:45PM | 0 recs
LOLz

by Skaje 2008-08-22 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama does not have the final say on VP choic

Why does someone who obviously knows nothing about politics write a diary on a political blog? Whatever happened to shame?

by Gobama 2008-08-22 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Unless he nominates Dick Cheney

<underline>The PUMAs are not gonna like it.</underline>

Whatever Waffle House they're convening in at the time will surely break out in a riot!

by Gobama 2008-08-22 03:51PM | 0 recs

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