You know, States wanting to jump ahead of 2/5 has happened before. The problems were usually solved as follows:
1) A threat by DNC and signed pledge from candidates were usually sufficient to cause the offending states to back down and change their primary dates to after 2/5.
2) And if they continue to disobey, their delegates got stripped (DNC rule actually would provide for stripping of half of the delegates, not all), but they could instate all of their delegates by revotes.
3) If revotes are not possible, the DNC rule provides an additional safety net -- the Rules Committee will decide how to resolve the problem so that the delegates can get seated.
So, I don't see a contradiction for Clinton to proceed according to the normal procedures 1-3 for resolving such problem.
You know, she started fighting for the seating of FL and MI delegates since 1/25/08. That is, she started fighting for MI and FL delegates before it was clear that she needed FL and MI delegates.
I personally would like MI and FL to have a voice in selecting our nominee. That is my idea of Democracy -- that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution be upheld by all parties concerned.
The best resolution would have been a revote. But that, according to new reports, were unfortunately blocked by Obama campaign.
"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said Thursday during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program
The statement she made was merely an acknowledgement of the unfortunate situation. It did not mean she agreed to the action of DNC -- complete stripping of the delegates for MI and FL.
What I meant was she never agreed to stripping FL and MI completely of their delegates.
The statement that she made was merely an acknowledgement of the unfortunate situation. It did not mean she agreed to the action of DNC -- complete stripping of the delegates for MI and FL.
Prior to Iowas and New Hampshire, here was hope for MI and FL to backdown and change their primary dates to after 2/5.
She signed a pledge in 8/2007 not to "campaign and participate" with the expectation that MI and FL would backdown and change their primary dates after 2/5.
This has happened before in previous primary elections. Some States wanted to jump ahead of 2/5. The DNC would threaten to strip the delegates from offending states. The signed pledges from the candidates were made to bolster this threat. This usually was effective in making the offending states back down. It did not mean that the candidates were in favor of stripping the states completely of their delegates.
Prior to Iowas and New Hampshire, here was hope for MI and FL to backdown and change their primary dates to after 2/5.
I would disagree with your unsubstatial charge that if Obama had won FL, she would fight to prevent seating of FL delegates. She wouldn't do such a foolish thing as to hurt her and Dem chance in FL in the GE.
She did not sign a pledge to punish MI and FL by stripping their delegates completely. She signed a pledge in 8/2007 not to "campaign and participate" with the expectation that MI and FL would backdown and change their primary dates after 2/5. I fail to see any "contradictory things" that you alluded to.
This has happened before in previous primary elections. Some States wanted to jump ahead of 2/5. The DNC would threaten to strip the delegates from offending states. The signed pledges from the candidates were made to bolster this threat. This usually was effective in making the offending states back down. It did not mean that the candidates were in favor of stripping the states completely of their delegates.
The presidential candidate said Friday -- just four days before Florida's primary -- that she wants the convention delegates from Florida and Michigan reinstated. The national party eliminated all the delegates from those states -- more than 350 in all -- because they broke party rules against holding their primaries before Feb. 5. All the major Democratic candidates also made pledges not to campaign in those states before their primaries.
Clinton could claim most of the Michigan delegates because she won that state's primary after the other major candidates pulled their names from the ballot.
"I know other campaigns have tried to downplay the significance of these two states," Clinton told reporters in South Carolina Friday. "I think that is not a good strategy for Democrats or any of us who cares about the outcome of this election."
In an earlier statement, Clinton said, "I believe our nominee will need the enthusiastic support of Democrats in these states to win the general election, and so I will ask my Democratic convention delegates to support seating the delegations from Florida and Michigan," she said.
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Hillary Clinton signed the pledge on 8/31/07.
You know, States wanting to jump ahead of 2/5 has happened before. The problems were usually solved as follows:
1) A threat by DNC and signed pledge from candidates were usually sufficient to cause the offending states to back down and change their primary dates to after 2/5.
2) And if they continue to disobey, their delegates got stripped (DNC rule actually would provide for stripping of half of the delegates, not all), but they could instate all of their delegates by revotes.
3) If revotes are not possible, the DNC rule provides an additional safety net -- the Rules Committee will decide how to resolve the problem so that the delegates can get seated.
So, I don't see a contradiction for Clinton to proceed according to the normal procedures 1-3 for resolving such problem.
oops... typo. Should read according to news reports.
You know, she started fighting for the seating of FL and MI delegates since 1/25/08. That is, she started fighting for MI and FL delegates before it was clear that she needed FL and MI delegates.
I personally would like MI and FL to have a voice in selecting our nominee. That is my idea of Democracy -- that the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution be upheld by all parties concerned.
The best resolution would have been a revote. But that, according to new reports, were unfortunately blocked by Obama campaign.
I'm aware of only one instance.
"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything," Clinton said Thursday during an interview on New Hampshire Public Radio's call-in program
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/con tent/article/2007/10/11/AR2007101100859_ pf.html
The statement she made was merely an acknowledgement of the unfortunate situation. It did not mean she agreed to the action of DNC -- complete stripping of the delegates for MI and FL.
What I meant was she never agreed to stripping FL and MI completely of their delegates.
The statement that she made was merely an acknowledgement of the unfortunate situation. It did not mean she agreed to the action of DNC -- complete stripping of the delegates for MI and FL.
Prior to Iowas and New Hampshire, here was hope for MI and FL to backdown and change their primary dates to after 2/5.
She signed a pledge in 8/2007 not to "campaign and participate" with the expectation that MI and FL would backdown and change their primary dates after 2/5.
This has happened before in previous primary elections. Some States wanted to jump ahead of 2/5. The DNC would threaten to strip the delegates from offending states. The signed pledges from the candidates were made to bolster this threat. This usually was effective in making the offending states back down. It did not mean that the candidates were in favor of stripping the states completely of their delegates.
She NEVER said FL and MI don't count.
Prior to Iowas and New Hampshire, here was hope for MI and FL to backdown and change their primary dates to after 2/5.
I would disagree with your unsubstatial charge that if Obama had won FL, she would fight to prevent seating of FL delegates. She wouldn't do such a foolish thing as to hurt her and Dem chance in FL in the GE.
She did not sign a pledge to punish MI and FL by stripping their delegates completely. She signed a pledge in 8/2007 not to "campaign and participate" with the expectation that MI and FL would backdown and change their primary dates after 2/5. I fail to see any "contradictory things" that you alluded to.
This has happened before in previous primary elections. Some States wanted to jump ahead of 2/5. The DNC would threaten to strip the delegates from offending states. The signed pledges from the candidates were made to bolster this threat. This usually was effective in making the offending states back down. It did not mean that the candidates were in favor of stripping the states completely of their delegates.
You wrote: She didn't seem to care before Super Tuesday.
Fact: She did care before Super Tuesday.
Check out the following AP news article published on 1/25/08:
Clinton wants Florida, Michigan delegates to Democratic convention reinstated
Excerpt:
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Great diary! Thank you! :)
Thank you for the excellent diary.
Thank you for a very nice diary.
Noting the irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton, RFK Jr. wrote the following article in Dec, 2007:
Hillary Haters and the Roosevelts
It's worth a read.
Thanks for the great diary. :)