Massachusetts: A Case Study

The PA primary exit polls showed that an unusually high percentage of Hillary supporters would not vote for Obama in November should he be the nominee.

Is this a big problem for Democrats?

The McCain campaign believes that this poses a significant problem for Obama if he becomes the nominee.  Below is an excerpt of the McCain campaign strategy memo, which I copied from another blog:

Exit polls reveal why this poses significant problems for Obama if he becomes the nominee. The most important problem: Clinton voters don't automatically become Obama voters after he becomes the nominee. In fact, Obama leaves large portions of Clinton's coalition on the table in November.

Obama only wins 72% of the Democratic vote in a general election match up among those surveyed last night. Clinton shows her broad coalitional strength and wins 81% in a general election match up against John McCain. A full quarter of the Democrats in Pennsylvania are not willing to cast their ballot for Obama against McCain (15% say they vote McCain and 10% say they stay home), however, Clinton loses only 17% of Democrats (10% for McCain and 7% would not vote). This gap of 8-points would be significant in a general election match up. President Bush lost Pennsylvania by 2-points in 2004, when 41% of the electorate were Democrats. That 8-point gap among Democrats is enough to swing the state the other way (8% of 41% is 2.8-points, turning Pennsylvania red). This dynamic is clearly visible in publicly released surveys; an average of April polls show McCain trailing Obama by an average of 3-points (3 surveys in April) and trailing Clinton by 8-points.

The cracks in Obama's Democratic coalition in Pennsylvania mirror what we saw in Ohio, and those cracks could have implications in November.

Hillary Clinton cleaned up with Union households - like she did in Ohio. In Pennsylvania, Clinton won 59% of Union members (Obama 41%). Obama won these voters by significant margins in Wisconsin (+9), but has lost his hold on their vote in both Ohio (Clinton 55% - 43%) and now Pennsylvania.

Clinton did better than Obama with lower income voters.
Our targeting and analysis of the 2008 political landscape puts voters who are on the lower economic brackets at the heart of either party's winning coalition. Hillary won at every income level below $150,000, and Obama only won with the wealthiest Pennsylvania voters. Obama's media foibles contributed to his inability to connect to voters who are suffering the real impact of this challenging economic environment.

This is also apparent in the number of voters who feel Clinton is more in touch with their views. Fifty-six percent of Pennsylvania Democrats say Clinton cares about people like them - again a significant switch from earlier contests. Wisconsin exit polls shows Obama had a 12-point advantage on that measure. By the time Ohio held their primary, Clinton had switched the dynamic and led by 12-points.

Clinton won Catholic voters. In Wisconsin, Clinton split the Catholic vote 50%-50% with Obama. Again, she changed the dynamic in Ohio and won Catholics by 27-points (63% - 36%). In Pennsylvania, she increased her margins and won by 38-points (69% - 31%). The strength of this coalition bolsters her argument that Obama would have had problems competing in Michigan and will not be able to carry key Midwestern states in November.

Clinton won Jewish voters. In Pennsylvania, the first state where both candidates competed for a significant block of Jewish voters, Clinton won by 15-points (57% - 43%). Again, the data suggests Jewish voters, a key Democratic coalition, pose a potential problem for Obama.

Clinton increased her margins in suburban and rural areas - without losing ground in urban areas. Clinton won Pennsylvania suburbs by a 12-point margin and won rural areas by 22-points. And Clinton lost in urban areas by 14-points. This is similar to her Ohio performance. But, it shows an increase in her performance in urban areas from earlier contests (in Wisconsin she lost urban areas by 21-points). Clinton has figured out how to increase her margins among suburban and rural voters and cut into Obama's base of urban voters.

Instead of the usual "what is the matter with Kansas" invectives against these would-be defectors, I think it would be more useful for us to direct our energy to find a solution.  To solve this problem, we need to know the demographics of the would-be defectors.    And then, we need to determine the reason(s) for their defection.

The PA exit polls did not provide any data that would help us determine the demographics of the potential "defectors." The demographic breakdowns of a head-to-head poll in a State showing a big defection of Hillary voters to McCain would help us determine the demographics of the potential "defectors."

Massachusetts is such a state.

The following is the link to the cross-tabs of a recent SUSA head-to-head Clinton-McCain  and Obama-McCain poll.

Link

Hillary  56%
McCain  41%

Obama  48%
McCain  46%

Recently, Anil Adyanthaya wrote an interesting article entitled:  Can McCain Win Massachusetts? 

He opined that the Independent voters, who are the majority in MA, would find McCain more appealing than Obama and that it's the Independent voters that would help McCain win Massachusetts in November.

However, a careful examination of the 4/11/08 SUSA poll cross tabs showed that while Mr. Adyanthaya may be correct in his opinion that McCain will be competitive in Massachusetts, he was wrong in his designation of the Independent voters as the cause of this potential outcome.  

Party affiliation: The SUSA poll Party Affiliation breakdown shows that neither the Independent nor the Republican Hillary supporters are inclined to defect to McCain.  The would-be defectors belong to a subset of Democrats.  

Ideology: The data showed few liberals would defect to McCain.  The would-be defectors are predominantly moderate and conservative Democrats.  A good percentage of them are a) church attendees, b) evangelicals, c) pro-life, and d) own guns.

Gender: If males were the only voters, both Clinton and Obama would lose to McCain by 9% and 17% respectively.  Clinton's decisive 15% win margin against McCain was completely due to the overwhelming support of her female supporters.  A goodly percentage of the would-be defectors are female.  The poll showed that a small percentage (3-5%) of male Hillary supports would also defect to McCain if Obama is the nominee.

Race: 

Hispanics -- 78% of Hispanics would vote for Hillary versus 22% for McCain.  This is completely reversed for Obama versus McCain.  73% of Hispanics would vote for McCain and only 23% would vote for Obama.  

Blacks -- The poll showed that a substantial percentage of black Hillary supporters would defect to vote for McCain.  Hmmm... this is very surprising and difficult to interpret.

Whites -- a smaller percentage of whites would defect.  These defectors are not likely to be racists as the same Democrats overwhelmingly voted for Deval Patrick.

Age: The would-be defectors are over 35 years of age.

Top Issues: 

Economy -- Among the economy is the top issue voters, Clinton beats McCain by 4% while  Obama loses to McCain by 5%.  Since 36% of all voters chose the economy as their top issue, we can conclude that a substantial percentage of the would-be defectors are worried about the economy.

Social Security - this is the only other issue that showed a huge flipping of Hillary voters to McCain.  While Hillary beats McCain 60-40, Obama loses to McCain 32-68 among these voters.  

These two issues are related to financial well being of the would-be defectors.  It suggests that the would-be defectors may be worried about their financial well-being.

Conclusion:

I think this study has provided a glimpse into the demographics of the would-be defectors.  They are moderate to conservative Democrats.  They are not too worried about the Supreme Court as many of them are pro-life, own guns and attend church.  The defectors are not restricted to whites.  Some of them are whites, some are black, but a huge majority of Hispanic Hillary supporters would defect to McCain if Obama should become the nominee.  This suggests that Obama has a Hispanic problem that hasn't been solved by Richardson's endorsement.  They are not racists as the same demographics voted overwhelmingly for Deval Patrick.  They are made up of both males and females but a greater proportion of them are female.  They are >35 years old.  Many of them are not very confident about Obama's ability in handling the economy and the Social Security.

More in depth polls and studies are needed to provide us with a more complete picture.  This is just a beginning to unravel this problem that we face.

This demographic profile of the would-be defectors is not specific to Massachusetts.  The Ohio head-to-head SUSA poll showed very similar profile.  Thus, it is applicable to other swing states such as Ohio and Pennsylvania.  I haven't done a study of the profile of the "Reagan Democrats." I would appreciate discussions of whether this demographic is similar to the profile of the Reagan Democrats.

Tags: 2008 Presidential election, Barack Obama, Democrats voting Republican, Hillary Clinton, John McCain, SUSA head-to-head Massachusetts poll (all tags)

Comments

23 Comments

Excellent diary Hurdy

thank you for the analysis

by NewHampster 2008-04-24 06:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

it is a big problem for democrats, and a problem that is not going away as much as you might 'hope.'

the bigger question is - will kennedy, duvall and kerry get payback for going against their constituencies?

by canadian gal 2008-04-24 06:46PM | 0 recs
THE SKY IS FALLING!! PANIC!!!

Obama will crush McCain.  

by dystopianfuturetoday 2008-04-24 07:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

Massachusetts will simply not go for a Republican over a Democrat in 2008.

I really wish SUSA would do another one of these polls so we can take this talking point off the table.

by VAAlex 2008-04-24 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

Kennedy still holds strong in MA, Kerry not so much.  However, Deval is not very high in the polls here in MA.  All talk, little action.  Spends a lot of time out of state.  Don't really think Deval can deliver for Obama.  Hillary won big here in MA.  If she is not the nominee Obama may be in trouble.  MA has a history of voting in Repub governors (Romney preceded Deval) but again, Deval has not lived up to the "change" hype and many voters may wish to send him a message.  

by Pat J 2008-04-24 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

rec'd for talking about demographics, I wrote a diary and cited that a lot of moderate conservatives are Hillary's base and are definitely at risk demographics that democrats need to pick up for a win in november...dems cant afford to pick up the usual demographics, we need to dig into McCains base...

check it out
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/4/24/2053 15/856

by amde 2008-04-24 06:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

Mass. problem is Patrick - He's a failure - ran on the same message as Obama.

by Jaz 2008-04-24 06:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

He's an example of  what happens when an inexperienced person is voted into office because of cute speeches.

by owl06 2008-04-24 07:06PM | 0 recs
Nonsense.

Show me the poll that shows McCain beating Obama three days before election day, and I'll be worried.

by MBNYC 2008-04-24 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Nonsense.

Well in all fairness, by then it would be too late!

But the point is still ridiculous. Like I said before, I really wish SUSA would do another of these polls in Mass. to get this ridiculous talking point off the table. There's no way Mass. will go Republican; ain't happening.

by VAAlex 2008-04-24 07:03PM | 0 recs
I just get really tired

of all the concern trolling about who can't win what. I started out terrified when Hillary entered the race, because I considered her completely unelectable. She's since demonstrated that she could win, albeit somewhat narrowly. Obama outperforms her on all the crucial metrics, something these diaries never mention.

I mean, the guy who came out of nowhere and defeated the inevitable nominee can't win in November? Please, that's just primary sour grapes.

by MBNYC 2008-04-24 07:12PM | 0 recs
Thank you for the analysis...

...but I'm a defector and don't fit into this mold:

"They are moderate to conservative Democrats.  They are not too worried about the Supreme Court as many of them are pro-life, own guns and attend church.  The defectors are not restricted to whites.  Some of them are whites, some are black, but a huge majority of Hispanic Hillary supporters would defect to McCain if Obama should become the nominee."

Progressive.  Staunchly pro-choice.  Don't own a gun.  Don't attend church.  I'm white.

Add this one to your analysis:  do not believe BO is qualified for the job.  It has nothing to do with my age, sex, race, political philosphy, gun ownership or church attendance.

He's just simply not qualified.

by CoyoteCreek 2008-04-24 07:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Thank you for the analysis...

yeah, i'm another one - progressive, educated beyond my intelligence, etc... i should be prime obama material, but i'm not.

he's not what i want. i want universal health care, a speedy withdrawal from iraq, a comprehensive economic relief plan for americans... and i want to win the goddam election in november. obama can't deliver. it's all hope and mirrors.

by campskunk 2008-04-24 07:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

I support Hill but this Massachusetts argument is easily refutable by the argument that she has the same struggles that Obama has with Massachusetts with Washington state, one of the most anti-war states in the nation whereas the state is will not be contested with Obama as the nominee.  It really chaps me that McCain is so close to Hill in spite of stances on the war and Boeing.  Washington state is just as important as Massachusetts because it has one fewer electoral college vote than Massachusetts.

by Blazers Edge 2008-04-24 07:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

Also, the parallel between Washington and Massachusetts is a little eerie when you consider that the black guy is having trouble in a state with a black governor and the white woman is having trouble in a state with a white governor.

by Blazers Edge 2008-04-24 07:11PM | 0 recs
If we don't win PA, NO WAY< we will win in 08

no way! And Obama looks poised to lose it. MASS is an example, while I dont think he will lose it, just being competitive is already AWFUL! Let's not lose again becase of over influence of caucus states, PLEASE!

by rigsoHC 2008-04-24 07:13PM | 0 recs
Great, but

You write a great diary but you are missing something very important in your analysis of the Massachusetts results.  You need to talk to folks who live there to understand something that is not captured by the demographics: the Deval Patrick factor.

Remember, folks in MA have literally heard this all before - they have heard the exact same speeches, word for word, that Obama is running now.  As I said elsewhere, there is a saying: Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me.

They know from firsthand experience the result of electing an Axelrod Advertising figment that doesn't have any.  They now have a governor that has been described as inept, ineffective, incompetent, and, at the bottom line: can't get anything done.

They will not vote for an Axelrod product a second time.

There has been very little reporting of this except in some local papers in the Boston-metro area, and a stray blog here and there.  But my assertion is that this factors heavily in the result.

by bobbank 2008-04-24 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Great, but

I mentioned that in a post above you.  Deval is a loser as far as most voters here in MA can attest.  He ran on the same speeches that Obama is delivering  almost in the same cadence.  After 4 years of Romney, who also was taking time out of the state to run for president, we bought into the "change" message.  He also ran on cutting property taxes.  Hasn't happened.  He has taken time off to stay by his wife's side when she had a breakdown.  He is meeting in NY with publishers to discuss a book deal. He is out running as co-chair of Obama's campaign.  He is building a multimillion dollar home in the Berkshires.  He is not a beloved figure here in MA.  Believe me.

by Pat J 2008-04-24 07:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

The thing I take from your analysis and McCain's memo is how well positioned McCain is to take on Obama. McCain has far more post-partisan, reformer credibility than Obama (think McCain/Feingold). He appears to be keeping his pledge to take public financing, where Obama has flip-flopped. Voters find McCain more appealing than Obama on the economy, McCain can pull off faux populism where Obama is hopeless at it. If you listen to their rhetoric McCain has cleverly copied the language of Obama's economic proposals while eviscerating the details.

by souvarine 2008-04-24 07:16PM | 0 recs
obama can't add very well.

back before - when all he was was that guy who spoke at the convention in 2004 - he got all kinds of people, but his real core support groups are blacks and liberal upper-income white urban voters. then he began alienating lower-income, working-class voters. he has labeled unions as "special interests". he made the famous "clinging to guns and religion" gaffe. blacks and liberal upper-income people make up maybe 25-30% of the country. that won't win the election in november, but he'd rather run and lose than let a candidate with a better chance of winning have a shot at it.

by campskunk 2008-04-24 07:44PM | 0 recs
Re: obama can't add very well.

then he began alienating lower-income, working-class voters.

His "bitter" remark was the closest he's come to alienating working-class voters, and even that's a stretch. Hillary, on the other hand, has constantly insulted us "latte liberal activists" in the "boutique states." Unfortunately for her, we're the ones who actually pay attention and donate money.  

he has labeled unions as "special interests".

I'm a fan of unions (I've been a member of a couple), but they are by definition "special interests." When the unions lobby for oil exploration in ANWR, do you consider them special interests, or is that only the oil companies?

he made the famous "clinging to guns and religion" gaffe.

Democrats, including Bill Clinton, have been saying the same thing for years. Hillary, in contrast, prefers to use Republican frames to paint Democrats as effeminate elitists.

blacks and liberal upper-income people make up maybe 25-30% of the country. that won't win the election in november

Neither will Hillary's coalition without the aforementioned groups.

but he'd rather run and lose than let a candidate with a better chance of winning have a shot at it.

What absolute bullshit. First of all, it's up to the voters to decide who the nominee is. I know this is hard for some of the Clinton folks to understand, but this isn't a goddamn coronation. Second, you have to look beyond the present polling to the fundamentals of the race. Hillary Clinton has increasingly serious problems with likability and trust. Likability and trust will determine how effectively a candidate responds to the inevitable attacks. Witness "Wright" vs. "Tulza": one candidate's negatives were driven into the stratosphere, the other escaped largely unscathed. A MAJORITY of the American people do not like or trust Hillary Clinton. Will someone please explain to me how on God's green earth such a candidate wins? The fact that she's been usurped by a relative rookie for the nomination of a party she's been heavily established within for more than 20 years tells you everything you need to know about Hillary Clinton's purported "electability."

by RP McMurphy 2008-04-24 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Massachusetts: A Case Study

The diary is interesting, albeit entirely premature. The commentary, however, is complete nonsense. Obsessing over the possibility of Obama losing MA approaches the level of political ignorance demonstrated in last month's "AA oversample" kerfuffle. OBAMA WILL NEVER LOSE MA. Despite is proclivity for electing moderate Republican governors in order to balance out its insanely partisan legislature, all 12 members of MA's congressional delegation are Democrats. There are 2/3 Democratic majorities in both houses of MA's state legislature. Moreover, no Republican presidential candidate has even come close to winning MA since 1988. MA is not about to give Bush a third term via a pro-life warmonger. This is a truly embarrassing argument to be making and those of you who know better ought be ashamed of yourselves for deluding the more suggestible members of this community.

by RP McMurphy 2008-04-24 07:48PM | 0 recs
Much of your analysis is useless

The poll surveyed ~550 voters, and you're trying to make conclusions from its results for demographics such as Latinos and African-Americans that only make up 6% and 3% of those voters, respectively. At a 99% confidence level, the margin of error for just the Latino subset would be 22.5% - far too massive to come to any conclusions. I've seen similar polls that show Clinton losing the majority of African-American voters. This does not mean that she  would do so in the GE.

by MILiberal 2008-04-24 08:04PM | 0 recs

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