• comment on a post Just Desserts for Chocolate Carter over 3 years ago

    What a nasty incoherent screed. The first version contained a few phrases that could have been lifted from some Tea Party site that are now missing. Chocolate Carter (guess changing the offensive title was a bridge to far), Barry (now deleted) some reference to blacks being "disciplined" (also deleted). 

    I guess your article is proof this is not a post racial America at all. You could talk about Obama's Corporatist DLC policies without even mentioning he is black just as you could recount the same policies from the Clintons without referencing their race. I don't recall critiques of Bill Clinton's support of Republican policies like deregulation, globilazation and welfare reform centering around his being white. Obama's problem are his policies.

    Of course for a segment of the white population his race seems to be a huge issue and for a host of political hacks that is something to exploit. 

  • What does it have to do with immigration? Same hate groups behind the "outrage" and driving the movement.

    He's made it clear he opposes terrorist violence by Hamas. He however recognizes that like the Irish Republican Army and the Jewish Irgun (or the Likud for that matter) they are also a political force that will have to be engaged in any political resolution.

    You may not agree with that, no matter. But as to this IMam and his project being some threat to the USA, nonsense. On the one side we have a Republican and Democratic administration, state department and the FBI on the other Glenn Beck, Fox News and right wing hate groups. WHo has more crdibility?

    Ted Olsen a very prominant conservative who lost his wife on 911 spoke out against the hysteria against the center because having been victimized by extremist violence does not make ant-semitism or religious intolerance OK or excusable.

     

  • You selectively decide what issues to side with Hate Groups on: Immigrant bashing No, Muslim bashing, OK.

    So a Muslim family visiting Ground Zero to mourn a family member lost in the WTC should disguise themselves so as not to offend the sensibilities of people who wrongly blame them for what happened? 

    We need to be sensitive to ignorance and bigotry? Actually the Tea baggers and Fox would like to encourage bigotry and ignorance by making stuff up about this project and the Imam. Glen Beck calls it "Allah-tells-me-to-blow-up-America mosque", Gingrich claims its a triumphalist monument to Jihadist victory on 911, it gets crazier and more virulent from there. This is the same crowd that pushed the Obama is a Muslim crap.

    The reality is this Imam worked for the Bush and Obama state department and the FBI advancing the interests of the US and a moderate and modern vision of Islam. The concept for the Cordoba House is modeled on the Jewish 92nd St Y.

    Quotes from this Imam before he became controversial as a result of a gined up slander campaign:

    Rauf argues that "American democracy is the embodiment of Islam's ideal society."

    Rauf, Khan formed organization to "meld Islamic Observance with women's rights and modernity."

    RAUF: A century ago or more than a century ago the Chief Mufti in Egypt made a statement which was very well known in the Muslim world and among scholars of Islam even in the West.

     

    On a visit to Paris and to France he returned and said that in France I saw Islam but no Muslims and in Egypt I see Muslims with no Islam. It's a very important point for people to understand, both Muslims and non-Muslims.

    The reason why Muslims are fleeing many of their societies to countries like Australia, western Europe, United States and Canada is because the societal mandates of an Islamic society and Islamic State is in fact the kind of structure of society that we see in Western societies - the ability of people to participate in issues of governance, issues of the economic wellbeing and economic pie are fundamental to Islamic principles of governance. 

    Rauf: "I am a supporter of the State of Israel." The New York Times noted on August 21 that Rauf "is often described as having refused to call Hamas" a "terrorist organization." When asked about the Hamas designation in a radio interview, Rauf stated:

    Well, I'm not a politician. ... The issue of terrorism is a very complex question. ... I am a bridge builder. My work is ... I do not want to be placed nor will I accept a position where I am the target of one side or another. My attempt is to see a peace in Israel. ... Targeting of civilians is wrong. It's a sin in our religion, whoever does it. ... I am a supporter of the State of Israel.

    Rauf's Cordoba Initiative states on its website: "Hamas is both a political movement and a terrorist organization. Hamas commits atrocious acts of terror. Imam Feisal has forcefully and consistently condemned all forms of terrorism, including those committed by Hamas, as un-Islamic."

    Are you required to agree with the Imam's politics or his project? No but you don't in America get veto power over others freedom because of your bigotry and prejudice. This project is both very much in the interests of the US and will be a positive addition to NY.
  • Rabbi's, Priests, Ministers or Imams don't require any political partisans approval in order to build community centers or religious centers. At least not in America. Adherence to neo-con, Republican or Likud policies is not a pre-requisite to being granted religious freedom.

    Be careful what you wish for. The keep America a white Christian country crowd may be after Muslims and Mexicans now but it was not long ago that Jews were their targets and if they are victorious don't think that any religious or racial minority is safe.

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    What an idiotic remark. No one cares what Al-Qaeda thinks. But you can bet that American soldiers who are putting their lives on the line care a lot about what the local Muslims they are trying to win over think. While they try and convince Muslims that we are not at war with their religion you serve as the propaganda arm for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda providing them with all the ammunition they need. The extremists can point to an Imam who worked with the FBI, George Bush and the state department, risking his life traveling the mid-east to defend the US and is still a victim to anti-Muslim hysteria and hatred. All the proof they need to advance the propaganda that America hates Muslims and is out to destroy Islam. 

    "OMGZZZZ Al Qaeda are gonna hate us more!!! WHAT CAN WE DO TO MAKE THEM LIKE USSSS!!!!!"

    What an idiotic remark. No one cares what Al-Qaeda thinks.

    But you can bet that American soldiers who are putting their lives on the line care a lot about what the local Muslims they are trying to win over think. While they try and convince Muslims that we are not at war with their religion Lakrosse and friends act as the propaganda arm for the Taliban and Al-Qaeda providing them with all the ammunition they need to undue everything our soldiers on the ground are trying to accomplish.

    The extremists can point to an Imam who worked with the FBI, George Bush and the state department, risking his life traveling the mid-east to defend the US and is still a victim to anti-Muslim hysteria and hatred in his own country (USA). All the proof they need to advance the propaganda that America hates Muslims and is out to destroy Islam. Patreaus may as well pack in the hearts and minds strategy and come home.

    This has nothing to do with "Liberals" or Nancy Pelosi. Joe Scarborough and Ron Paul have pointed out how shameful this is and neither is a liberal. Bloomberg is no flaming lefty either. Bloomberg said it well:

    But if we say that a mosque and community center should not be built near the perimeter of the World Trade Center site, we would compromise our commitment to fighting terror with freedom. 

    We would undercut the values and principles that so many heroes died protecting. We would feed the false impressions that some Americans have about Muslims. We would send a signal around the world that Muslim Americans may be equal in the eyes of the law, but separate in the eyes of their countrymen. And we would hand a valuable propaganda tool to terrorist recruiters, who spread the fallacy that America is at war with Islam. 
    Islam did not attack the World Trade Center -- Al-Qaeda did. To implicate all of Islam for the actions of a few who twisted a great religion is unfair and un-American. Today we are not at war with Islam -- we are at war with Al-Qaeda and other extremists who hate freedom.

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    The members of our military are men and women at arms -- battling for hearts and minds. And their greatest weapon in that fight is the strength of our American values, which have always inspired people around the world. But if we do not practice here at home what we preach abroad -- if we do not lead by example - we undermine our soldiers. We undermine our foreign policy objectives. And we undermine our national security.

     

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    More Americans have been murdered in the USA by right wing terrorists loons in the last 8 years then by Muslim terrorists. Far more. No one is running around with there hair on fire on Fox news screaming about radical Christians though. The biggest threat to the USA today is not external, it is the destruction of our economy and our democracy by the right and the hysteria over this center is part of the problem. There are violent fringe elements in every religion. An Israeli Prime Minister was murdered by a Jewish terrorist. Hindu fanatics have slaughtered 1,000's and there is a virulent violent lunatic fringe right here in the US and they aren't Muslims. Attacking Muslims in the US will do nothing to make this country safer. Demonizing a religion will not make this country safer. It will however strengthen the racist anti-democratic hate-mongers who are attacking Mexicans, Muslims , Gays, etc., to advance their cause. It's not only at Ground Zero but all over the US groups are trying to prevent the construction of Mosques and people who look Muslim are being attacked. This is a racist, bigoted steaming pile of crap cooked up by right wing extremists. When this Center was first announced Fox news and Laura Ingraham spoke of it positively. For years the Bush administration trotted out this Imam as an ally in the fight against terrorism. During appearances in front of students in Egypt he was accused of being an American agent. Suddenly it's a terrorist plot? How easily people are manipulated by the right wing noise machine. This hysteria is more damaging to the US and it's security then was Abu Ghraib.  You don't defend freedom by instituting a pogrom against people because of their religion.

    More Americans have been murdered in the USA by right wing terrorists loons in the last 8 years then by Muslim terrorists. Far more. No one is running around with there hair on fire on Fox news screaming about radical Christians though. The biggest threat to the USA today is not external, it is the destruction of our economy and our democracy by the right and the hysteria over this center is part of the problem.

    There are violent fringe elements in every religion. An Israeli Prime Minister was murdered by a Jewish terrorist. Hindu fanatics have slaughtered 1,000's and there is a virulent violent lunatic fringe right here in the US and they aren't Muslims. Attacking Muslims in the US will do nothing to make this country safer. Demonizing a religion will not make this country safer. It will however strengthen the racist anti-democratic hate-mongers who are attacking Mexicans, Muslims , Gays, etc., to advance their cause.

    It's not only at Ground Zero but all over the US groups are trying to prevent the construction of Mosques and people who look Muslim are being attacked. When this Center was first announced Fox news and wingnut Laura Ingraham spoke of it positively. For years the Bush administration trotted out this Imam as an ally in the fight against terrorism. During appearances in front of students in Egypt he was accused of being an American agent. Suddenly now it's a terrorist plot? How easily people are manipulated by the right wing noise machine. They had most people believing that Saddam was responsible for 911, just because they had people believing it did not make it so.

    This hysteria is more damaging to the US and it's security then was Abu Ghraib. You don't defend freedom by instituting a pogrom against people because of their religion. 

     

  • Baruch Goldstein massacred muslim worshipers for religious reasons and there were jews who praised his actions. But only a moron would claim that Goldstein's actions and his supporters had anything to do with the Jewish religion as practiced by millions of American Jews. Just like only a moron would use osama's actions to tar American muslims.

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

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  • the moron is the guy who thinks what osama says should be taken as reality and given any respect.

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    "In Israel, women aren't forced into burkas, adulterers aren't stoned, rape victims don't need 4 male witnesses" neither are they in the US muslim community. "Bernie madoff has never said he cheated people because he was Jewish nor did he say he did it to further Judaism's aims" What do Osama's delusionary claims about the justification for his actions have to do with American  muslims? nothing at all. Any more then Bernie Maddoff's religion has anything to do with his actions except in the twisted minds of hate mongers similar to yourself. It's the same logic. You continue to make the claim that because Osama is Muslim and this center is Muslim sponsored that that means they are connected. You continue to use examples that have nothing to do with American Muslims to smear them and invent a controversy about a project that should be a non issue. "In Israel, women aren't forced into burkas, adulterers aren't stoned, rape victims don't need 4 male witnesses" neither are they in the US muslim community. "Bernie madoff has never said he cheated people because he was Jewish nor did he say he did it to further Judaism's aims" What do Osama's delusionary claims about the justification for his actions have to do with American  muslims? nothing at all. Any more then Bernie Maddoff's religion has anything to do with his actions except in the twisted minds of hate mongers similar to yourself. It's the same logic. You continue to make the claim that because Osama is Muslim and this center is Muslim sponsored that that means they are connected. You continue to use examples that have nothing to do with American Muslims to smear them and invent a controversy about a project that should be a non issue.

     

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    What the hell do Osama and his crew have to do with the Muslims building this center? Sufi Muslims in general and this Imam in particular are as much targets of Al-Qaeda as Jews or Christians. Just because in their twisted minds Al-Qaeda thinks they represent Islam does not in reality make it so any more then the terrorists who blow up abortion clinics or bombed the Ohklahoma Fed building represent Christianity. But in your twisted mind and those of the hate mongers you support you'd like to paint all Muslims and their religion as a threat that needs to contained. An African American walking to work by the anti-mosque demonstration was attacked by demonstrators because they mistook him for a Muslim. By your logic because Bernie Madoff was Jewish being suspicious of Jews in finance is OK and anti-semitism on the part of anyone who lost money on Wall Street would be understandable. Just like you their are hate-mongers who would use Madoff as justification of thier racism. You want to talk about the Quran? Read the Old Testament, brutality, slavery, misogyny and ethnic cleansing. It's all in there but that does not make all followers of the Judeo-Christian religious traditions medieval savages? You are carrying water for the extremists and their message that this really is a war between the west and Islam. That Americans hate Muslims and the Imam and Muslims who preach tolerance and pluralism at risk to their own lives are fools. General Patreaus may as well pack in his winning the hearts and minds campaign right now you as your buddies have effectively killed any chance of success of that now that you have handed our enemies a new weapon to undo everything we have been trying to do.

    What the hell do Osama and his crew have to do with the Muslims building this center? Sufi Muslims in general and this Imam in particular are as much targets of Al-Qaeda as Jews or Christians. Just because in their twisted minds Al-Qaeda thinks they represent Islam does not in reality make it so any more then the terrorists who blow up abortion clinics or bombed the Ohklahoma Fed building represent Christianity. But in your twisted mind and those of the hate mongers you support you'd like use the extremist kooks to paint all Muslims and their religion as a threat that needs to contained. An African American walking to work by the anti-mosque demonstration was attacked by demonstrators because they mistook him for a Muslim. All that's missing now are the brown shirts.

    By your logic because Bernie Madoff was Jewish being suspicious of Jews in finance is OK and anti-semitism on the part of anyone who lost money on Wall Street would be understandable. Just like you their are hate-mongers who would use Madoff as justification of thier racism. You want to talk about the Quran? Read the Old Testament, brutality, slavery, misogyny and ethnic cleansing. It's all in there but that does not make all modern followers of the Judeo-Christian religious traditions medieval savages?

    You are carrying water for the extremists and their message that this really is a war between the west and Islam. That Americans hate Muslims and the Imam and Muslims who preach tolerance and pluralism at risk to their own lives are fools. General Patreaus may as well pack in his winning the hearts and minds campaign right now as you and your buddies have effectively killed any chance of success of that, now that you have handed our enemies a new weapon to undo everything we have been trying to do.

     

  • The accusations of Obama being a Muslim, portraying Muslims as a fifth column and Islam as a terrorist, violent religion and the manufactured outrage about the Cordoba House is all to familiar. In another era FDR's more unsavory right wing opponents suggested he was really a Jew, at the same time as they pushed rabid conspiracy theories about Jews being behind the nation's economic ills, in the 19th century Lincoln's bigoted enemies spread rumours he was a Catholic and pushed anti-Catholic hysteria.

    Hate and bigotry spread by political hacks smells just as bad now as it did then. I'm sure apologists in Hitlers Germany would have been happy to point out that the majority supported the Nazi's actions against a maligned religious minority. 

  • There are already 2 mosques in the neighborhood of the WTC site as well as places of worship for other religious denominations as you would expect in any large American city. Opposing a cultural center of any religion because it's in the vicinity of Ground Zero is morally repugnant and fundamentally un-American. 

    Sufi Muslims are targets of both the Taliban and Al-Qaeda. More then 40 were killed in Pakistan recently in a Taliban terrrorist attack. The Imam behind this cultural center would be as dead as those Pakistani Muslims if Al-Qaeda ever gets the close to him. So unlike the armchair warriors who are demonizing Islam and spreading fear and hate this guy is actually risking something to marginalize the extremists. Not adhering to the Likud party line does not make one a terrorist sympathizer even if you are a Muslim. Plenty of Jews and Christians find Neo-Con and Likud policies to be not much different then the thuggery of Muslim extremists.

    Cordoba is an appropriate name for the center as for several centuries Islamic Spain represented a period of enlightenment and tolerance unknown in the middle ages where Jewish culture flourished to a greater degree then anywhere in Christian Europe. 

    It's sad to see a religious minority being demonized and used to spread fear and hate. But it's not the first time this has happened in history. Next Lakrosse and his friends will be demanding that Muslims wear yellow badges so they can be easily identified (since they are all potential terrorist threats).

  • Miami Cubans have dictated US policy on Cuba for years but no one would think to write a headline like "Cuban control of America". Conflating the right wing Zionist lobbies influence on policy concerning Israel with Zionist "control of America" is really over the top and sounding a lot like some pretty hateful rhetoric.

  • He announces he'll allow drilling in Republican areas only, taking the steam out of a big Republican talkng point as oil prices rise along with economic indicators, also Increasing the chances for his energy legislation. We'll see if a well ever gets drilled as they all go through environmental impact studies he's requiring. All that will make the news is that Obama is allowing drilling, not when or how much.

    Maybe he's getting the hang of this job.

  • comment on a post Israeli Tennis StarTarget Of Anti-Israel Protests over 4 years ago

    Athletes and academics should not be the target of political groups. Israeli, Iranian, Chinese or whatever athletes, students and academics should be free of harassment at sporting events and universities.

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