2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards 15%

Boston Globe poll:

http://www.unh.edu/survey-center/news/pd f/bg_2007-nov11.pdf

The poll's horserace numbers

Clinton 35%, OBama 21%, Edwards 15%, Richardson 10%, Other 8%

No previous Boston Globe poll is available for trendlines

Numbers analysis

In this poll Obama is right below his aggregated NH average of 23.5%.  Clinton's just below her aggregated averages of 36.8%.  Edwards slightly outperforms his aggregate of 13.5%.  

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democrat ic_primary-194.html

The race is probably a ~15% race at this point, although a case can also be made that these latest polls represent a temporary dip that was also visible in national polling during the week before the debate and from which Clinton has recovered largely since.

Poll's demographic breakdown

party identification/affiliation

Democrat    Clinton 38% Obama 19% Edwards 16% Richardson 9% Other 7% Undecided 10%
Independent   Clinton 22% Obama 29% Edwards 7% Richardson 15% Other 13% Undecided 13%

Clinton leads strongly with Democrats (~20% margin to Obama,) a group Obama does not do very well with.  Obama shows a slight edge with Independents, a group Edwards does poorly in and Richardson scores particularly well with.  

age demographic

18 to 34    Clinton 32% Obama 24% Edwards 15% Richardson 3% Other 13% Undecided 13%
35 to 49 Clinton 38% Obama 22% Edwards 14% Richardson 9% Other 4% Undecided 13%
50 to 64 Clinton 32% Obama 19% Edwards 15% Richardson 15% Other 10% Undecided 9%
65 and over Clinton 41% Obama 23% Edwards 18% Richardson 5% Other 4% Undecided 10%

Clinton wins in every age demogroup.  She is particularly strong with the 35 to 49 age group, and the 65 and over age group.  Obama comes closest to Clinton in the 18-39 age demogroup, but still lags behind her by 8%.  Edwards' best age demogroup is the 65 and over group, in which he scores 18%.  65 and over is the age demogroup Richardson does particularly poorly in (only 5% support) as well as the 18-39 age group where he gets only 3%.  His best age demogroup is the 50-65 age group where he scores 15% and is exactly even with Edwards.  

gender

Male   Clinton 27% Obama 22% Edwards 18% Richardson 13% Other 11% Undecided 10%
Female   Clinton 40% Obama 20% Edwards 13% Richardson 8% Other 5% Undecided 13%

Clinton wins both the male and female domogroups, but there is an obvious gender gap in this poll.  

education demographics

High school or less   Clinton 54% Obama 9% Edwards 13% Richardson 13% Other 5% Undecided 7%
Some college Clinton 43% Obama 21% Edwards 13% Richardson 6% Other 8% Undecided 11%
College graduate Clinton 28% Obama 26% Edards 17% Richardson 10% Other 8% Undecided 11%
Post-graduate Clinton 27% Obama 24% Edwards 15% Richardson 11% Other 10% Undecided 13%

Clinton wins every education demogroup, but does best with the "some college" and "high school or less" groups.  

Internals/Issues

1. Leadership, Electability, Experience, Terrorism

strongest leader

Clinton 45%, Obama 17%, Edwards 8%, Richardson 6%, Other 6%, Undecided 17%.

most experience

Clinton 47%, Obama 4%, Edwards 10%, Richardson 14%, Other 10%, Undecided 14%.

best chance of beating GOPer in Nov. 2008

Clinton 53%, Obama 17%, Edwards 10%, Richardson 3%, Other 1%, Undecided 16%.

candidate best able to deal with terrorism

Clinton 27% Obama 12% Edwards 11% Richardson 14% Other 12% Und. 23%

Clinton has strong leads when it comes to questions related to experience, GE electability, dealing with terrorism and leadership.   The perception of Clinton being by far the best Democratic candidate for Nov. 2008 appears overwhelming in this particular poll, but so are Clinton's advantages when it comes to experience and leadership.  Obama and Edwards don't score too well on any of these questions, with Edwards scoring particularly poorly on the "strong leader" question and Obama scoring particularly poorly on the "experience" question.  

2. Needed change, most trustworthy, shown best judgement

Can bring needed change to the U.S.

Clinton 31%, Obama 26%, Edwards 13%, Richardson 5%, Other 7%, Undecided 18%

Most Trustworthy

Clinton 19%, Obama 26%, Edwards 19%, Richardson 8%, Other 7%, Undecided 20%

Has Shown Best Judgment

Clinton 24% Obama 24% Edwards 15% Richardson 10% Other 8% Und. 18%

In this group of internals the margins are narrower.  Clinton is considered the change candidate by a plurality of Democrats and Democratic leaning Independents by a 5% margin over Obama.  Obama scores 26% on this issue, which outpaces his overall showing in this poll by 5%.  Edwards is seen as the agent of change by 13%, 2% below his overall showing in this poll.  Richardson is seen as the agent of change by only 5% of respondents.  Obama is seen as the "most trustworthy" by 26% of respondents, 5% above his overall showing in the poll.  Clinton and Edwards are both at 19%, Richardson scores 8%.  On the issue of having "shown best judgement" Obama ties Clinton at 24% with Edwards at 15%.  

This represents the much narrower internals group with Obama outscoring Clinton and Edwards in one, the "most trustworthy" group, but the margin is fairly narrow.    

Issues most important to Democrats

Most Important Issue in DEM Primary - 1st Choice

1. Health Care 33%

  1. Iraq 26%
  2. Economy 15%
  3. Other 10%
  4. Social Security 5%
  5. Taxes 4%
  6. Illegal Immigration 2%
  7. Iran 1%
  8. Defeat Al Quaida 1%
  9. Don't know 2%

The GOP race

NH GOP Primary - Likely GOP Primary Voters

Romney 32% Giuliani 20% McCain 17% Paul 7% Huckabee 5% Other 6% Und. 13%

This result is in line with the polling we have seen.  A double digit lead for Romney over Giuliani, the national poll leader.  McCain is hot on Romney's trails in this poll.  Ron Paul is now outpolling Huckabee for 4th in NH with 7% (which yesterday's Marist poll also showed.)  Fred Thompson is not named, which means his NH polling came in very low.

Poll methodology

Field Period: November 2 to November 7, 2007
Sample Size: 804 randomly selected NH Likely Primary Voters (RDD)
400 likely Democratic Primary Voters
404 likely Republican Primary Voters
Sampling Error: Total sample = 3.5+-%
Likely Democratic Voters = +
- 4.9%
Likely Republican Voters = +/- 4.9%

Final Analysis

This is the second NH poll that was promised to us on Friday (I believe.)   I think it does not show quite the changed landscape in NH that the Friday announcement promised.  The internals are mostly good news for Clinton, particularly the type that most people usually base their votes on, such as leadership, experience,  perceived winner in the GE, best on issues, etc.  It is a strong double-digit lead for Clinton, but she does have to work on some of the more "emotional issues" to shore this state up and make it into a true firewall.    

Tags: Barack Obama, Bill Richardson, Hillary Clinton, John Edwards (all tags)

Comments

35 Comments

Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

Its safe to say she has lost some support . I think its due to her debate performance and the missteps in the aftermath.

But I am happy where the race is.

by lori 2007-11-11 07:53AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

It is a question of relativity.  Look at the RCP chart for NH:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/nh/new_hampshire_democrat ic_primary-194.html

The race was close in mid-August, had narrowed to just four points between Clinton and Obama.  The race did not show double-digit margins for Clinton until after mid-September.  Then it went all the way to 20%.  The current 14.5% to 15.5% aggregates are a lot better than what we had seen all year until past mid-September.  As a Clinton supporter, I'll take it.  Heck, we were told that Obama would take the lead in New Hampshire in August or September, based on the belief that he would further gain in the polls and pass her up.  Now 12% (Marist poll yesterday) and 14% Clinton leads are heralded as good news by Obama supporters.   It is all relative what you get used to just before.   If a candidate shows a 30% lead in some polls and then "only" shows 25% margins, it is seen by supporters of the other candidates as good news, even though, seen realistically, it really isn't.  

by georgep 2007-11-11 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

Bingo.

by InigoMontoya 2007-11-11 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

She's winning by a large margin.  There are going to be floaters but she has some strong support that isn't going anywhere.  She's winning.

:)

by bookgrl 2007-11-11 09:15AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

A months ago , she had a 20+% lead in NH and many felt that she could pretty much afford a hit in Iowa and still win NH , but with those fresh poll numbers , i no longer think she can afford to lose Iowa.

Obama has to keep her around the 14-15-16 and if he does that then pulls a win in Iowa , i strongly believe he'll be able to get enough of her softer support plus many undecided.

Obama also does best amongst indies , and this is the greatest news he could receive right now because those indys put McCain on top in 2004 when many polls were showing him badly trail Bush.Obama definitely has good indys support.

by Prodigy 2007-11-11 08:01AM | 0 recs
ridic...

if edwards wins Iowa, he WILL HURT OBAMA IN NH and that will help Hill.

If Hill loses both, yeah, thens it to battle and war...but if not...

its still an easy cruise...

by holden caulfield 2007-11-11 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: ridic...

i agree. but if Obama wins Iowa I think we're guaranteed a real race.

by leewesley 2007-11-11 12:03PM | 0 recs
for a week

and if he won NH - you bet...but if he losses NH...and then SC...

tis done...

thats why Id be fine with a Johnnie win iowa - hell, Id give it to him for free.

by holden caulfield 2007-11-11 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

But that is where "belief" comes in.   I personally think that Clinton would withstand an Iowa loss in NH if she is in double-digit there.  Her support is quite solid (look at yesterday's Marist poll for verification, in which Clinton's solid support is much stronger than both Obama's or Edwards')  and not likely to collapse due to Iowa.  That is where name recognition of all candidates (when compared to previous cycles) comes in as a soldifier of support.

Of course, if Clinton loses in dramatic fashion in Iowa (is far behind in third or fourth,) that may not be the case, but that seems like a very remote possibility, as she has led in pretty much every single Iowa poll conducted over the last 2 months, and is just now getting fully going there (increased ad spending, major hire of staff, appearances, etc.)

by georgep 2007-11-11 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

I think you are wrong.

Her support is not 100% solid and i believe it's been weakened a bit on those recent polls.

The other NH polls now shows Obama with a better approval ratings then Hillary in NH.If he wins IA , those numbers will shot up and you will see some of Hillary support evaporating fast.

She will definitely lose about 5-10% of her soft support while Obama will probably pick up some support from the Edwards and undecided colums.Probably about 5-10% , enough to overtake a 15% lead Hillary had before IA voted.

by Prodigy 2007-11-11 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

Where did I state that her support is 100% SOLID?  I am sorry, but you won't find that at all, so let's not make stuff up, ok?

What I DID say is that her support is MORE solid (yes, even within these "damaging" polls, than the other candidates.  

From yesterday's MARIST poll"

INTENSITY OF SUPPORT

Intensity of Support: Overall, 56% of likely New Hampshire Democratic Presidential Primary voters strongly support a candidate for their party's nomination for president. 64% of likely voters who back Hillary Clinton say they are strongly committed to her. In contrast, 49% of likely voters who support Barack Obama, and 46% who back John Edwards say they strongly support their candidate.

64% of Clinton's current supporters in NH are solidly committed, only 49% of Obama supporters and 46% of Edwards supporters make that same commitment (less than a majority of current supporters for either candidate.)  That is a very large gap in solid support for either candidate and when more than half of your current support can see changing their minds before votes are cast, that is certainly not good news for them and shows very soft support at this time.  

Also, consider the question of SECOND CHOICE:

Current EDWARDS supporters in NH name Clinton as their SECOND CHOICE choice to the tune of 36%.  Obama is named as SECOND CHOICE from only 20% of Edwards supporters.

Current OBAMA supporters in NH name Clinton as their SECOND CHOICE to the tune of 43%.  Edwards was named by only 18% of current Obama supporters.

These two items are very important moving forward.  Obviously Clinton's current support in NH is much more solid than either Edwards' or Obama's, as the committment internal shows.  But, the SECOND CHOICE responses are also very telling.   Any support that falls away from either Edwards or Obama is much more likely to fall to Clinton instead of the other opponent.   NH is solid for Clinton and is likely to remain solid, given these internals.  Edwards and Obama's positions in NH are rather shaky, with over half of their supporters not yet fully committed to them.  

We'll see how this develops moving forward, but Obama and Edwards need to see their support solidify well beyond the levels we have seen to be competetive in NH.  Having over half of their supporters still not fully in their camps at this stage (and willing to go elsewhere) should be of major concern, particularly because the SECOND CHOICE choice of both of these camps is overwhelmingly Clinton, not the other candidate.  

by georgep 2007-11-11 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

My point is , the instant she loses IA , a lot of people will be re-thinking their support.

Even if her support were to be 80% solid , i strongly believe there's enough undecided and soft Edwards/the rest of the field supporters that would switch to Obama and allow him to eat away at Hillary's lead.

People love winners and Obama beating Hillary in IA will be a major shocker a la "david vs goliath"

Americans loves underdogs and i believe you would see a band-wagon effect occuring after a Clinton defeat.

Let's not forget about the media frenzy a Clinton lost would create.

Obama will gain so much power and support for knocking out Goliath , i just can't see How Hillary will survive such an event and come back to win IA.

by Prodigy 2007-11-11 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

Well, I'll agree to disagree.  I don't see that development at all occuring that way, see it as wishful thinking more than anything else.   But, only time will tell.  Besides, I believe Clinton will win a close race in IA anyway.  

by georgep 2007-11-11 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

The way I see it and since the debate performance, Hillary has lost some support there, and it looks to be to the benefit of Edwards and Richardson.  While Edwards hasn't moved into 2nd place in NH, it could be argued that he is closing the gap, which is narrow with Obama.  As it seems, Iowa is now more important than ever to the top three.  Also, the post debate performance of Hillary probably has yet to set in, since she has now come out in support of Spitzers ridiculous plan and has been playing the gender card, perhaps to her peril.  I would agree that Hillary is still the one to beat, but this race is now getting significantly tighter and it appears to be at the point that, if an alliance were to be struck in the between the Edwards and Obama camps, Hillary is in real trouble.  Unless her support is approaching 50%, then this race is far from over.  This will be good for debate and good for our party.  

by msnstd 2007-11-11 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

Nobody's support is solid.  But Hillz is leading with the greatest percentage saying they're unlikely to change their mind.

by InigoMontoya 2007-11-11 09:35AM | 0 recs
NH Poll

14 ahead after almost 2 weeks of nonstop media and rivals pounding her?  I'm content.  Could have been a lot worse, I suppose.

If the media paid as much attention to John Edwards' own doubletalk RE: Illegal Immigration, I wonder where he would be polling?

As for Obama, he got grilled for his own waffling on Social Securities this morning.  

At this point, I have nothing positive/nice to say about E or O.  

Even at last nights Fundraiser Dinner, O and E still went negative.

by FilbertSF 2007-11-11 08:04AM | 0 recs
Gore won NH by 4%

this was always gonna tighten up...

15 sounds pretty shiny to me!

by holden caulfield 2007-11-11 08:16AM | 0 recs
Good news for Hillary

She continues doing extremely well with older voters, who are the most reliable primary voters, and her support among women hasn't waned much. It's mostly some declining male support that has show the decline in some of these polls. Her woman support is mostly hard support. Also she has the electability issue on her side, and that's a big one.

by Christopher Lib 2007-11-11 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

Despicable diary. Don't be concerned with what Hillary says or does. She polls well.

And they have the nerve to claim other campaigns are a Cult of Personality.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

Very disappointing trollish post.  

by georgep 2007-11-11 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

If I disappointed you I am honored. Nice way to attempt to quash dissent. Fascist!

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

If my post was trollish to you it should have been troll rated. I returned the favor ya Hillary Fascist.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

It must be really driving you nuts that so many people are choosing Hillary to make such a petulant post.  

N.B., I'm for Hillary and it has nothing to do with "Cult of Personality."   If it were a matter of personality in the sense of comfortable to be with, I'd probably choose Obama.  But that's not how I make political choices.

by InigoMontoya 2007-11-11 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

Doesn't drive me nuts. Just bothers me that so many people are fooled by her. It's a bad state of affairs that when people are so desperate for leadership they would choose a closet NeoCon Bush/Cheney/Lieberman enabler for a nominee. Sad really. Sad for our party and sad our country.

by Hillary Lieberman 2007-11-11 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%, Edwards

You are entitled to an opinion, but you are not entitled to cheap insults of fellow posters.  This is a normal poll diary, yet you call it "despicable"?  Then you call me a "Fascist" on two occasions?   That type of rabid anger is always misplaced in discourse on a blog, but yours is a special, trollish sort.  You were clearly not speaking the truth when you vowed to do better and not resort to these tactics anymore.  Sad.  

by georgep 2007-11-11 04:50PM | 0 recs
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by Mystylplx 2007-11-11 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: Shut up you bloody vikings!

What a bad post.   I guess we should not expect differently.  The NH POLLS were touted by Hillary-detractors (like yourself) as a major issue, showing a dramatic tightening.   So, I ask, where WAS your disgust with poll diaries in the 3 diaries that actually ANNOUNCE the upcoming weekend polls, and also the three diaries dealing with yesterday's Marist poll.    What do you say?   You did not mind those diaries?   Of course not. Why should you.  

So, tell me, how can anyone who is in any way impartial not consider your post as tainted by major hypocrisy?

by georgep 2007-11-11 09:04AM | 0 recs
Sheesh!

Try to grow a sense of humor. It's meant to be funny, not express any 'disgust.'

by Mystylplx 2007-11-11 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheesh!

Whatever.    

by georgep 2007-11-11 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheesh!

I've seen you make jokes, George. You're pretty funny when you want to be. And Lord knows we could use some more humor around here.

Lighten up, OK?

by Mystylplx 2007-11-11 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Sheesh!

Hey, I love humor.  It is a favorite of mine, especially in political discourse and as a means to make a political point via satire.   I just did not get "humor" out of that post.  Hey, no big deal either way.    

by georgep 2007-11-11 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%, Obama 21%

Georgep, so do you still think Edwards has tanked as a result of taking on Hillary? To me, it seems the race is getting closer and Edward's numbers are moving up slightly.

by Progressive America 2007-11-11 09:44AM | 0 recs
The Marist poll confirms the ...

... Ramussen trendlines ...

This is the second NH poll that was promised to us on Friday (I believe.)

It would seem so, unless LA Times / Bloomburg did a poll ... they were the only one with a previous poll result that I saw on the Wikipedia page that had its previous result released about this time of the month ... and they didn't poll in October, so they may still be on a quarterly schedule.

by BruceMcF 2007-11-11 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: The Marist poll confirms the ...

Also, ARG has their monthly NH poll on the 7th of each month.  Probably will be released tomorrow.  

by georgep 2007-11-11 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: 2nd NH poll: Clinton 35%,

Boy they scared me with all their predictions of doom, but this isn't bad at all. Hell, i was prepared to write off both iowa and NH and just fight out 'super tuesday' where i still think she would end up getting it.  But this looks good for her- yes, she was not great in the debate, a lot of gaffes after, but i think 'immigrants' are the new prejudice.  america seems to have to hate someone and right now the illegals are fitting the bill.

by reasonwarrior 2007-11-11 11:24AM | 0 recs

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