Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in South Carolina

FLASH: Rasmussen at 11 AM ET: South Carolina: Clinton loses lead... It's now Clinton 36% Obama 34%... last month, Clinton had ten-point lead... in September, she was up by 13... Developing...


Uh oh. Guess Michelle Obama was right. Don't sleep.

Tags: barack, Hillary Clinton, obama, polls, South Carolina (all tags)



Another day another poll

Pick one you like.

by dpANDREWS 2007-12-06 05:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Another day another poll

Don't worry dpANDREWS, I don't put too much stock in polls this far out, though I would note the tendlines.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Another day another poll

yeah right , but you took the "pains" to put up a diary about one that hasn't even come out yet from drudge.


by lori 2007-12-06 05:39AM | 0 recs
And What a Trendline...

But the real import of the poll is the figures it shows on the black vote in South Carolina: In contrast to an earlier Rasmussen poll which had the candidates running roughly evenly in the black community, Obama is now defeating Clinton among black voters there 51%-27%.

If this is a national trend that holds, it has the potential to be huge.

Steven Stark - Real Clear Politics 6 Dec 07

Wow.  The times, they are a changin'...

by Shaun Appleby 2007-12-06 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: And What a Trendline...

yowza ! !

african americans are going to make or break the vote on feb. 5th.

I can feel it: win iowa, 1st or a close 2nd in NH, maybe lose NV, win SC.  And on Feb 5th the people speak.

this is fantastic.

by aiko 2007-12-06 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: And What a Trendline...

You know, from some of the stuff I've read, not the polls, I reckon NV is in play too.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-12-06 02:01PM | 0 recs
Re: And What a Trendline...

Sure, and so is Florida.    

There is nothing to suggest that NV is in play for Obama, but you state so anyway, just because.  Weird.  

by georgep 2007-12-07 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: And What a Trendline...

I said reckon, George.  Culinary workers?  Push-back on Rory Reid?  We'll see.  It's has been a thinly attended caucus in the past.  Organisation counts for a lot in caucuses.  It's a grab.

by Shaun Appleby 2007-12-07 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Another day another poll

So, pardon me if I am having a little fun seeing the Obama supporters having their party.

- When was the last time you had a party , though ?

Yeah thats right , must have been when Jesus and the disciples had the last supper.

by lori 2007-12-06 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Another day another poll

Is this another "Obama as Messiah" reference?

You know, the more I hear HRC supporters mention this, the more it seems they really think Obama is the Second Coming. Which makes Hillary....?

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 05:51AM | 0 recs
Every Obama

Messiah reference deserves a Hillary Pontius Pilot reference

by CardBoard 2007-12-06 06:10AM | 0 recs
Polls are great

I love polling.

However, I think it is silly to note one poll and then made assumptions based on that one poll.

by dpANDREWS 2007-12-06 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Polls are great

Uh, yes I agree.

Stop arguing with yourself.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 05:57AM | 0 recs
I like to look at all the polling

One poll is usually almost meaningless.

by dpANDREWS 2007-12-06 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I like to look at all the polling

But one poll can be meaningful in terms of its trendlines.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Another day another poll

Where is Are You Ready?/Prison Break anyway?

They should hear about this.

by Bush Bites 2007-12-06 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in South Carol

I can expect that number to shoot up when Oprah comes and campaigns for him. This just shows that Obama has "momentum" right now and Oprah campaigning  for him might boost it up; however, this does not mean that he will win.

She is still strong and the underlying dynamics haven't changed. This could be just an outlier for all we know.

by American1989 2007-12-06 05:39AM | 0 recs
Of course victory is not assured.

Nothing "means" anyone will win. But if HRC was maintaining her wide lead in SC, wouldn't that be bad news for Obama? Yes, so this is clearly good news.

Moreover, the trendlines here are clear.

Of course, if Obama doesn't fair well in Iowa and NH, he can forget SC anyway.

And speakin if black women...


by General Sherman 2007-12-06 05:49AM | 0 recs
The race is on

Obama is creeping up at just the right moment.

by richochet 2007-12-06 05:54AM | 0 recs
A decisive edge among black voters

"Second, Obama's showing has improved significantly among black voters. He now attracts 51% of the African-American vote in South Carolina while Clinton picks up just 27%. A month ago, the candidates were even in this important constituency (Obama 46%, Clinton 45%). There is virtually no movement among white voters in the state--Clinton now earns 43% of the white vote, Edwards 22%, and Obama 17%."

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 06:08AM | 0 recs
Why Obama is surging in SC

Simple. The reason African Americans have been on the fence is that they did not believe Obama could win the nomination. As his numbers rise in Iowa they will start moving his direction as their confidence in his ability to pull it off increases. Watch out for the downward spiral Hillary. It hits really fast.

by thenew 2007-12-06 06:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Obama is surging in SC

And HRC antics like this don't go over with black folks:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iNxTA pa2sQRu0Xx99P3jt2bEXw7gD8TBINC01

This, to me, encapsulated the relationship between black folks and the Clintons.

Meanwhile, Obama has no such problems:

http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S= 7450878

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 06:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Obama is surging in SC

But...but....Hillary has a fake Southern accent and everything....

How about if she gave a belly laugh....would they vote for her then?

by Bush Bites 2007-12-06 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Obama is surging in SC

Right, many black folks are looking for a reason to support Obama.

It's time that our blind loyalty to the Clintons ended. They've used us as a convenient backdrop often enough.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 06:18AM | 0 recs

There's another recent poll with Hillary at an over 20 point lead over Obama. These SC polls are all over the place right now.

by Christopher Lib 2007-12-06 06:44AM | 0 recs
Keep wishing and hoping.

by iamready 2007-12-06 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Why Obama is surging in SC

Yea, I have been saying this the whole time.  If AAs believe Obama can win, he will get huge, overwhelming support from the AA community.  As I have also said, I remember reading stories in the MSM back in 2004 about Obama's lack of support in the AA community before the primary.  Of course, when the ideas that he was electable, plus how good he is as a candidate became better known, his support in the AA community went through the roof.

by Andy Katz 2007-12-06 08:27AM | 0 recs
Obama just released an

extremely powerful ad:

can somebody post it? I'm not sure how

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/1 2/6/11449/5449/400/418598

by CardBoard 2007-12-06 06:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just released an

Powerful ad...It's basically a very nice way of bashing the Clinton while sounding respecful  LOL.

On the south carolina poll:
All Obama has got to do now is nudge just a few % of the women vote who still backs Clinton , and i have no doubt in my mind Oprah will be  able to do this.

If Obama ever wins IA , S.C is pretty much in the bag for him.

Obama is perfectly set up for a sweep of IA , NH and S.C....This is why Hillary will try hard to stop him in IA.

If Obama wins IA , the nomination is his to lose...I cant see him winning all 3 big state and not win.

Did a candidate from either side of the political party ever won IA/NH/SC and still lose the nomination?...Never.

by Prodigy 2007-12-06 06:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama just released an

Yes, she needs to stop him in Iowa, or her campaign will really have to get nasty, driving up her negs even further.

The beauty about Obama's attacks on Hillary is that he lands punches without people really realizing that he threw a punch. Hillary is still damaged, but Obama is not.

The only people that discern these attacks are Hillay partisans. And they sound stupid when they moan on about Obama's endless attacks on Hillary.

And Obama's not ready for primetime?  

Oh well.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 06:41AM | 0 recs
Obama doing well?

I have not been following much lately but it looks like Obama is picking up.

by lovingj 2007-12-06 06:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?


Clinton 33
Obama   26
Edwards 15

Again the trend lines are what are important. The last week or so has Clinton in the 30's FROM THE 40'S where she has been for months.  33 is the lowest she has been in any rasmussen tracking poll for 2008.

by BDM 2007-12-06 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

It seems like throughout this week , rasmussen just takes away 1 point from her and stores it in the freezer somewhere.

That poll has been showing her losing 1 point daily , which is just bizarre , while other polls come out showing her doing well in the general.

by lori 2007-12-06 06:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

Lori , her constant attacks on Obama has spiked her negatives even among democrats...The new Gallup poll shows her disapproval ratings is back at 50%...Rasmussen is now showing her negatives slightly higher then Obama among primary democrats.

She has also been critisize for the Obama kindergarden attack and my guess is that her negatives are starting to catch up to her.

I've noticed that she did not do any attack yesterday or did i just missed her daily angry attacks on Obama?....Maybe she's starting to realize all the attacks are only hurting her by driving up her negatives.

The des moines register frontpage ran a devastating and very funny cartoon about the kindergarden flop...This stuff is hurting her and everytime she attacks Obama , people will just ignore it as just another attack by Hillary because she's slipping at the poll.

Obama has completly neutralize her attacks and he can just ignore her..Whenever Obama is asked about the attacks , all he has to say is " IT MUST BE SILLY SEASON"

by Prodigy 2007-12-06 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

did i just missed her daily angry attacks on Obama?

- Now that right there is silly season.

I don't recall you calling Obama's attacks on Hillary Clinton angry , so please spare us the dramatics and hypocrisy . A lot of you and his allies were practically begging Obama to attack her now she is defending herself and pointing out inconsistencies in Obama's positions and those are angry attacks.

The rest of your comments I won't bother addressing because they are obviously partisan jubilations.

I am perfectly fine where the polls are for Hillary Clinton about 3 weeks out to voting , just like I am sure you are as well .

So lets just relax and enjoy it.

The same rasmussen poll you are quoting doesn't show any surge for Obama .

by lori 2007-12-06 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

dont lie Lori , Hillary is starting to sound more and more like an angry old woman that is pissed off her husband filed for divorce.

Hillary used to be so positive a few months ago , but now , she's just angry and nasty...I'm shocked by the hatred toward Obama and even her supporters on this blog are acting like haters.

I hope Hillary ca go back to her positive message because the angry hillary is just not working.

by Prodigy 2007-12-06 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

I hope Hillary ca go back to her positive message because the angry hillary is just not working.

 - She will continue to point out his poll driven present votes and his healthcare plan that is not universal among other things.

Afterall just like you said a couple of months back , this is a race not a coronation.

Hillary Clinton should not give Obama a pass on all of his inconsistencies , If Obama is allowed to attack her after months of prodding by his allies , she should be allowed to defend herself without obama , his supporters and allies in the media whining about it and crying foul..

by lori 2007-12-06 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

How is Hillary going to force everybody in the country to buy insurance anyway?

by Bush Bites 2007-12-06 01:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

If i'm Obama , i would unleash those IL footsoldiers right now so they could hit the streets every mid-day.

Maybe Obama could set up at least 10 buses that will drive from IL to IA and those people will be directed to placess where the campaign needs to make voter-contact.

I really think they have to do this before chrismas because those voters will be hard to get in contact with once we hit the holliday.

You want firm commitment before the holliday starts and now is the time to try to get a face to face meeting with basically everyone who signed a supporter card so you know there are still on board.

With about a thousands people canvassing statewide on behalf of Obama every day , we could really turn out our people in massive numbers.

Does Obama has that kind of footsoldiers in IL ready to do that?

by Prodigy 2007-12-06 06:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?

Lovingj!!  What's up!!!  I've missed your wonderful citizens ads, and yes!  You have missed a LOT!  Welcome back!

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-06 07:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama doing well?
Where you been.
Miss your videos.
by parahammer 2007-12-06 08:49AM | 0 recs
DUDE! where have u been??

by rapcetera 2007-12-06 11:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in South Carol

A good day for Obama in the polls.  It should be an interesting next two months!

by markjay 2007-12-06 06:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in

and where is Edwards in the polls , again ?

Maybe you should stop worrying about Hillary Clinton , she is fine where she is and get to worrying about Edwards (you know your candidate ) .

He can't even win his own home state NC and birth state SC , if I were you I would realize that your candidate seems to be going nowhere.

So get out there and hit the sidewalks for him and quit worrying about Hillary Clinton.

by lori 2007-12-06 07:01AM | 0 recs
easy now lori...

no need to get nasty...;-)

by rapcetera 2007-12-06 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in

That's what she gets for child abuse.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in

Her negatives is whats killing her...All the attacks are starting to boomerang and explode on her face.

I'll bet that her negative is now at 30% in Iowa....She was at 21% on the last DMR poll.

DMR frontpage also ran a very devastating cartoon which pretty much mocked Hillary's attack.

This is getting some play in Iowa and if she's seen as too much of an attack dog , she'll be done.

by Prodigy 2007-12-06 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in

Her negatives is whats killing her...All the attacks are starting to boomerang and explode on her face.

- You wish

by lori 2007-12-06 07:10AM | 0 recs
South Carolina

Can I just say something?  

When new polls come out and it is not in your candidate's favor, it is a bit demoralizing.  Despite whatever his/her supporters say about how polls don't matter, they care and the downtrend is like a stab in the chest.  Our support for a candidate is like loyalty to sports team.  When the team wins, we win.  When it loses, we take it personally.

With that said, even though supporters may be demoralized and crestfallen, it also reinforces our support.  We're fueld by a fire inside to cast that vote and to get others to cast that vote.

As Roger Simon's wrote today on Politico, the Iowa Caucus is "the most daunting and complicated political process in America."  It takes supporters will great passion and loyalty to put up with that process.  It takes a meticulous, organized campaign to get their supporters to go through the caucus process.

In short, it all boils down to ground operation.  I am crestfallen at the moment, but my support for Hillary has not wavered.

by FilbertSF 2007-12-06 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

Interestingly, though, to refer to your sports reference, when your team loses, then you have to start supporting the team that beat you, for the greater good.  This is like the playoffs for the Super Bowl.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-06 08:44AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

Then will you start supporting Hillary when Obama loses?  

by FilbertSF 2007-12-06 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

If, not when.  

But yeah, what else am I going to do?  Vote Republican? AAHHHHHAHAHAHA.  Come on.  Why do you ask?  What about you?  Were you planning on a party-switch if your candidate doesn't make it through the primary?  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-06 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

LOL.  Yes.  Of course. The Supreme Court is at stake.  If Huckabee wins, he'll stack the Court with Jesus Freaks.

by FilbertSF 2007-12-06 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

Good to know.  That's my reason for, if I didn't like our candidate, I have to vote for him or her anyways, out of the fact that the Supreme Court is on the line.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-06 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

I suppose, Jeremy, that after the Primary, we'll all be less contentious towards one another here on mydd.  I don't hate my fellow non-Hillary supporting Democrats.  I look forward to not having to argue with you guys anymore.

by FilbertSF 2007-12-06 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

Same here!  Good deal.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-06 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: South Carolina

Must I remind you of the statement you gave me a while back in which you stated that, yes, indeed, if Hillary wins the nomination you may be looking at the Republican in the race to vote for?  When challenged on that you backed off (stating that since Hagel or Paul are unlikely to be the GOP nominee, you would probably not go that route,) but you certainly stated that  you would definitely be open to any third-party candidate.  

by georgep 2007-12-07 05:35AM | 0 recs
I've worked on a couple

campaigns in primarily black districts, and those districts are pretty hard to poll.  Because, the average number of people who live in a household is significantly higher than the national average.  So, when you poll a house generally you get the response head, but who knows how many other people may be living there?  Thereby, voters under 30, and elderly voters, are usually not polled - because they often live in another house.  Obama is likely leading Clinton if he has the significant lead in the AA vote the poll shows.

by CardBoard 2007-12-06 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

If Obama has strong showing in Iowa and NH he will clean up with the black vote. Period. I'm talking upwards of 70%+.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Not my vote.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Unlike you, most blacks folks like Obama, even if they are not totally sold on him yet.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Barry is a phony rony General. I'm not sold because I can't be fooled by Illinois "policians".  If I thought he was worthy, I'd support him. He hasn't earned the good press he's receiving from the MSM. He hasn't earned the support he receiving either. He's not a true DEM. He's definitely not an ideologue DEM. Did you read the "Audacity of Hope"? I want someone who will fight for our party. Not someone who will go to table ready to compromise without fighting for our values.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 10:20AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Look lonette, don't worry, no one is going to force you off the planation. I suppose someone has stay behind and pick the cotton...might as well be you.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Kiss off General! I'm sure you were one of those black panther types back in the day. Carried a machine gun through the hood. Reformed criminal just out of jail? Do you belong to the NOI?

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

That's just it lonnette, more "racialized" black folks are ironically supporting Clinton, because their understanding of the world tells them that a black person can't win in supposedly white supremacist America.

Why do you think all those fools at Tavis Smiley's shindig were given Obama grief for having the gaul to announce his canidacy during the Black State of the Union.

Face it, a lot of black folks fear Obama because they are invested in a certain narrative about race--namely, that black folks can't get ahead without the benevolence of white folks.

No, the black panther types are more likely to fall into Clinton's camp, along with you.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 11:02AM | 0 recs

You are the problem with Black America; closed and narrow-minded. Not all white people are out to get you General! There are bad people in every race. Sorry to pop your bubble but I wasn't born until the 70's so I wasn't apart of the Black Panther movement. However, I know a racist pig when I see and hear one and you are definitely it.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 11:10AM | 0 recs
Can you read.

Uh...that's my point exactly lonnette. I know white folks aren't out to get me.

Did you even bother to read what I said?

My point is that the victim-minded black folks are, ironically, much more likely to be in Hillary's camp. It's precisely these sort of blacks that argue a black man can't win. Or, some black leaders wouldn't know what to do with themselves in a black man was in the white house---they have a grievance industry to protect.

Are you dense or what?

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Can you read.

That is because the woman probably is not black or even a woman.

by iamready 2007-12-06 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Pathetic!

"... wasn't born until the 70's"

Well lonnette, that makes you older than me.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

FYI, college-educated and professional blacks are overwhelmingly for Obama--not exactly your gun-toting ex-con crowd if you ask me.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 11:05AM | 0 recs
FYI, dah!

FYI, college and professional blacks support HRC too and are not cotton pickers still living on the plantation.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 11:12AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI, dah!

Of course some college-educated blacks support Hillary. (Hell, there are probably some cotton-pickers in Obama's camp.)

But, among blacks, affluent and college-educated blacks go for Obama...BY FAR!

I'm not saying this should carry any weight, but it certainly does not sqaure with your "angry black man" narrative.

You're too simple-minded. Maybe I'm not being fair to you.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 11:28AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI, dah!

"You're too simple-minded. Maybe I'm not being fair to you."

And you're a dumb ass racist. Maybe I'm not being fair to you.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI, dah!

"Racist"? Against whom? My only problem is with you.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 11:58AM | 0 recs
Re: FYI, dah!

And my problem is you. Just because I don't support Barry and HRC, I'm a planation cotton picker? You've not only called that but others. It's a racist comment and proves you are a narrow and closed minded son of gun.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: FYI, dah!

Let me try this again.

And my problem is you. Just because I don't support Barry and choose to support HRC, I'm a planation cotton picker who still lives on the planataion? You've not only called me that but many others on this site. It's a racist comment and proves you are a narrow minded individual.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: FYI, dah!

Yeah, you got me there.

by General Sherman 2007-12-06 01:16PM | 0 recs
uprated due to zero abuse n/t

by bowiegeek 2007-12-07 11:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Not a true Dem.  WTF.  I never even called Hillary Clinton that and never would.  You are trippin' and over the damn line.  And not and ideologue Dem.  My God, Thank You Lord, that he is not, especially if I and many others have to read the drivel of you.  Fight for our party?  You damn right he will, only he won't fight the way you want him To.  Have you ever heard Barack Obama make a speech in front of Dems, Indies, Republicans and change it?  Right thought so.  Because he won't change it.  Fight.  For what?  The same old shit of a party we have had under the likes of the McAuliffes??  No.  It is time for change and it is Barack Obama.  Yes, the UNTRUE DEM, you thoroughly despise.

by iamready 2007-12-06 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Well, there is a <30% group that you would fit right into.  

by JeremiahTheMessiah 2007-12-06 09:54AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Spare me the bullshit Jeremiah. If Barry and that's a big "if" wins the Nom he won't win the GE. So keep spewing that bullshit you're selling.

by lonnette33 2007-12-06 10:23AM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Lonette, just curious, do you refer to Muhammed Ali as Cassius Clay?

by Piuma 2007-12-06 02:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I've worked on a couple

Because this is not an African American woman posting.  It is not.  And probably not a woman.  Not AA would speak the drivel that she just spoke, for one, and then if you read through the thread she tripped over herself.  And the AA's know ALI as ALI.  She is not Black, but hypocrite, for sure.  Yes, blast me.  You know I love it.

by iamready 2007-12-06 06:02PM | 0 recs
Not surprised

I don't think Hillary is going to win the black vote and I don't think Obama is going to win the female vote.

by alarabi7 2007-12-06 01:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Rasmussen: HRC: 36%, Obama: 34% in South Carol

I love how the diarist bases his assertion that blacks are going for Obama big-time on ONE poll.   Incredible.  We have seen lots of evidence to the contrary, but let one poll come along that states something, and it is the be-all.   Now, that is a joke.   Whatever happened to reason?  Looking at several polls?   This is a very weak approach.  

by georgep 2007-12-07 05:38AM | 0 recs


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