It's official: PUMA's promote RNC-owned website

by Geekesque, Wed Jul 30, 2008 at 12:08:24 PM EDT

Some good Democrats here keep on insisting that the PUMA's should be shown more respect, that they are still Democrats, but that they just dissent on this one race.

I'm sorry, but these folks are not seeing their friends in a clear light.

The PUMA's are not Democrats. They are Republicans.

If you want proof, check below the fold.

Perhaps some people have heard of the ultra-lame RNC-sponsored Barackbook.com.

It's supposed to parody those kids and peddle rightwing smears against Obama.

On the frontpage of Barackbook.com, one clearly sees this:

Republican National Committee |310 First Street, SE | Washington, D.C. 20003
p: 202.863.8500 | f: 202.863.8820 | e: info@gop.com
Paid for by the Republican National Committee.
Not Authorized By Any Candidate Or Candidate's Committee.
www.gop.comCopyright 2008 Republican National Committee
BarackBook.com is a parody of Facebook.com

It's full of the typical rightwing smears--Rezko, Ayers, Jeremiah Wright. It includes links to the RNC's official Facebook group, the official RNC toolbar application, and RNC press releases.

Its facebook application lead to the RNC getting totally humiliated.

In other words, epic fail.

But, who thinks this site is the greatest thing since sliced bread and is out promoting it?

Why, the cuddly little Obama haters in the PUMAsphere, of course:

Make them Accountable thinks it's AWESOME.

So do the ODS'ers at Corrente Wire.

And, of course, the Republicans at Alegre's Corner think it's great and are doing everything they can to promote it.

PUMA=RNC. You don't have to believe me. You just have to believe your own lying eyes.

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We don't need

to give them another moment's though. While the information in the diary is new and possibly interesting, I respectfully ask that you delete this diary.

We win when we stop caring about these people. You're giving them a microphone. My heart goes out to ya, and I feel much the same as you do, but this only helps them stay relevant.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-30 12:10PM | 0 recs

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Consider this a book-end to

the diaries yesterday asking that we treat them as Democratic dissidents instead of Phil Gramm/Richard Shelby/Zell Miller turncoats.

This settles the issue.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:11PM | 0 recs

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Re: Consider this a book-end to

Truthfully, it's another indicator at how weak sauce the Democratic Coalition/Tent is.

Do you think the GOP is trying to coddle the Obamacans?

No, if anything they are trying to bury them and disown them.
(Unfortunatly they can't smear the defectors fast enough)

Man, if you are a republican and go out in public and give the Democrats an inch, or even worse speak the truth (ie McClellan) get ready to have your career and reputation attacked ruthlessly.

People will claim "He was never really one of us"

And us Dems, sit on the side and say "Hey we are so much more mature" while we lose and look like suckers.

This is planet earth, strength wins.

Stop thinking we're better than the GOP, no one cares, especially not them.

People when will we realize that Political parties are not a "Democratic" institution like our government.

The DNC can kick someone out without probable cause or the court systems.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 01:19PM | 0 recs

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I used your link...

...there are a whopping 13 people on Alegre's website right now.

Is it really worth wasting another moment covering this waste of time?

I mean, what is the point here?

The disgusting and obsessive hatred voiced by some around here for this small group of misdirected individuals does more to promote them than their own freakin' efforts! There are more of you than there are of them!

Anyone obsessing about this matter is no better--and perhaps worse--than the individuals over there! Your own rants make them into a force that provides them with a spotlight and undue credit.

It's to the point that without your counterproductive rants, there would be no "them!"

To say that 13, 50, 100, or even 1,300 people (for that matter) speak for or represent, perhaps, a million Dems that don't think they'll vote for Obama is absurd.

That's the lamest strategy I've ever heard. It's called pretzel logic: disaffect, anger, undermine, insult, and otherwise write-off 1,000,000 leaning Hillary Clinton supporters that might not vote for Obama in November because of the actions of...on the best of days..1,000 individuals?

In fact, these are probably 1,000,000 individuals that intend to vote for downticket Dems...and they may still vote for Obama...if folks like you would just STFU!

You are your own worst enemy...

by bobswern 2008-07-30 01:20PM | 0 recs

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Because they still afflict

this site with their presence and use it to peddle rightwing smears like "Obama leaked his prayer to the press."

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 01:27PM | 0 recs

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Re: Because they still afflict

Bob, to repeat my point, it disgusts me that our party has this cancer.

Bob, please for the love of god show me ONE SINGLE REPUBLICAN group that is parallel to PUMA, just one I beg you.

Find me one group that claims to be republicans but has a mission to destroy John McCain and the RNC, and then find me a conservative blog (townhall, redstate) that embraces them with open arms?

Please, find this for me.

These people are our enemies, you act like they are small and weak, they are, but their smear attacks make it on the MSM.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 01:31PM | 0 recs

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You're right about this, Geekesque.

A few seem lost in bitterness and hate of Obama. Their actions help McCain and demean Hillary Clinton.

What I find amazing is that Clinton has spent almost 40 years supporting the Democratic Party and these few but vocal folks seek to tear down the Democratic Party candidate. Clinton did the right thing and they should also.

Had Clinton won and a few Obama supporters created a PUMA, I know both of us would have opposed it.

It was a tough primary battle, but there are reasons we all are Democrats. It matters who wins. I am to the left of Obama (and Clinton), but I support him fully because we simply cannot afford McCain.

by TomP 2008-07-30 02:00PM | 0 recs

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It's funny, because a lot of us

hardcore primary partisans probably thought or blurted out PUMA-type thoughts at various times in the primary process.

However, it's one thing to say stupid crap. It's another to actually do it.

Ask Jesse Jackson.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 02:02PM | 0 recs

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Geek, you're right, they do afflict

this site. But that's about the extent of their damage. That doesn't make them a significant political presence. It makes them TROLLS.

The best way to deal with trolls is to stop feeding them. I, myself, can't help but argue with them from time to time, but I don't start new diaries with the title PUMA in them, nor recommend them, specifically because I don't want to stoke their immature egos. There only significance is as pests. Don't elevate them. They are no threat to Obama. They are just a pain in the ass to us.

Do you think anybody is surprised that the RNC or Freepers or others are enjoying this show? Do you think the PUMA types at Alegre's and Noquarter feel embarrased or exposed by the news of McCain influence? Fuck no! They love it. It means (in their minds) that they are still significant, even though the primary season is over.

And, by the way, I disagree with Reaperbot, above, too. There is no point in trying to bring these people back into the mainstream. That's a peculiar type of liberal thinking that I'll never quite understand. There is terrible conceit to the idea that you can just talk or understand people into seeing the error of their ways, as if they need a hug. The PUMAs are part of the problem, but so too are the anti-PUMA diaries and the "PUMAs just need our love" diaries.

FUCK PUMAS. THEY DON'T MATTER.

What is more corrosive is the slew of diaries that pretend to be about more topical issues but are really meant as jumping-off points to criticize Obama or gripe about how Hillary was robbed. Some of these regularly make it to the top of the rec list because they are written by people on here with some popularity. But the framing of the issue also betrays the intent, which is to bait. (I know, I fall for it too often). I would never stop them from writing diaries, but I don't think we should stand by idly while they coordinate to get that crap onto the rec list.

Recommend diaries about anything at all, but no more of this. In fact, I'd like to see two joke diaries a day on the rec list. Knock-knock jokes: Are they due for a comeback? Please, no more PUMA pro or con diaries. We already know PUMAs suck. We know where bears shit. We know what religion the Pope is.

by Dumbo 2008-07-30 05:45PM | 0 recs

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Re: I used your link...

If they are so small, what effect would kicking these idiots around for spreading smears at OUR site have on a random 1,000,000 undecided democrats? Or do you think that there are a specific 1 million undecides who focus on MyDD and PUMA to see if an Obama supporter will ridicule another poster for spreading a right-wing smear, and that will then sway them one way or ther other?

Sorry, that part doesn't make any sense to me, but the rest of your comment I agree with, I have been sick of talking about these fools for a while. I am not against discrediting a smear diary/comment on this site, but I don't even think the animal need be mentioned

by KLRinLA 2008-07-30 02:43PM | 0 recs

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Re: I used your link...

Alegre has had to really clamp down, as I have had 4 accounts on here site get pulled . . . for relatively harmless comments.

I think she only has about 20 people that are allowed to post.

by Veteran75 2008-07-30 03:54PM | 0 recs

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Re: Consider this a book-end to

We're Democrats, by and large. Some independents. Some longtime, loyal Dems who have quit the party in disgust. We are not Republicans.

You can lie about it - so what? We still have progressive values, and you've never had them.

by daria g 2008-07-30 05:33PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official

They need to stop. Frankly, the primary is over. Obama won. This bitterness is getting childish. He got the most votes. He got the most delegates. I understand these supporters are extremely loyal but this is getting absolutely ridiculous.

by RJEvans 2008-07-30 12:14PM | 0 recs

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I'm loathe to read another PUMA diary, but on the other hand I do get tired of hearing how they're all "long-time Democrats" with miles-long progressive resumes who are out to change the party for the better. This doesn't surprise me, but they're not worth worrying about.

by rfahey22 2008-07-30 12:19PM | 0 recs

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No, they're not worth it.

Which means we really need to have this crap about how they're really good people that belong here come to an end.

They're playing for Team Rove now.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:20PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC-owned websit

Pumapac have nothing to do with this despite what you imply. Yet another drive by lynching by the Omob.

by Iceblinkjm 2008-07-30 12:19PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's

Omob? AKA the Democratic Party.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-30 12:21PM | 0 recs

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So, you agree with me that the people

promoting that RNC-owned and operated website are Republicans, and shouldn't be considered Democrats.

Fair point.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:23PM | 0 recs

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of course

the PUMA has no problem comparing a diary on MyDD to a "lynching."

But don't worry, they're not racists.

by taylormattd 2008-07-30 01:23PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

I agree totally with this diary. The hate from these Hillary supporters borders on the insane. I hope to never become so obssessed with a candidate that I lose all perspective. I know Obama is not perfect, but he is a million times better than the repugs, and if the PUMAs don't agree than they were never democrats to begin with.

by Spanky 2008-07-30 12:21PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

Please don't associate these jokers with Hillary or our party.

It really is a smear against us all.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 01:20PM | 0 recs

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I don't even use the term

"Hillary supporter." Heck, I'm a Hillary supporter now. I'll defend her from attacks from Democrats or Republicans.

These people aren't Hillary supporters. They're Obama haters.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 01:28PM | 0 recs

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Re: I don't even use the term

I have never said anything demeaning about Hillary Clinton. I've always promoted and supported her in a favorable manner and perspective.

Now, I'll admit I haven't been the fondest of Barack Obama, but I've stayed away from direct, personal attacks against the man. Now, his campaign activities in the past against Hillary is another story.

However, if you are so good about pointing out who is a Republican troll versus a disaffected Democrat, you'll know that disaffected Democrats have not said anything about how Obama has presently run his campaign bad or good (possibly a good or neutral may have be spoken though).

In regards to John McCain, a disaffected Democrat will not have anything to say positive for John McCain's campaign either--or should I say Republicans in general.

I could not imagine giving my vote to George Bush or John McCain. I simmered for weeks after George won reelection and had my sister do so as well. Now, my sister supports Obama and I'm a disengaged Hillary supporter.

When my family stands up, shout, clap, and cheer for Obama, I remain silently mute. Unfortunately, I have no dog to cheer on in this race. I've said this once before and now state it again!

by Check077 2008-07-30 02:33PM | 0 recs

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Re: I don't even use the term

Correction:

I replaced silently for deftly.

When my family stands up, shout, clap, and cheer for Obama, I remain deftly mute. Unfortunately, I have no dog to cheer on in this race. I've said this once before and now state it again!

by Check077 2008-07-30 02:36PM | 0 recs

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Re: I don't even use the term

Well, now you've said it twice before and so state it again.

by Jess81 2008-07-30 03:34PM | 0 recs

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Re: I don't even use the term

I dunno man, thats kind of nutty.

What is it that makes your family cheer, and you sitting there looking stupid.

I dont mean to demean, but how on earth is it possible to be a Democrat and not be excited.

We have one of the most charismatic and politically astute candidates in our lifetime and you sit there with your arms crossed.

And not only that, you know he has a 95% chance at winning, and winning BIG.

What are you gonna do next year? are you gonna keep repeating this meme?

I would suggest get over it NOW, if you are a true Demcoratic Activist you will hate yourself next year for skipping out on the most historic people powered campaign.

And if Obama loses, and Bush gets one more term what will you say to your sister?

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 02:42PM | 0 recs

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Re: I don't even use the term

Boy, you Obama supporters sure have a way with words. I apologize for giving you a nutty image, but, hey, I'm a democrat regardless of what anyone thinks.

To add humor to the conversation if there already hasn't been, my astro-chart reveals that I'm someone who believes that all voices should be heard and all votes should be counted regardless of the outcome. It followed-up saying that I'm what people would call a democrat. So, I believe in the spirit of the cause, not the MAN causing it. So, for me, it could never be about a person but the universal themes that all men are created equal. I doubt I'll ever be a person jumping up and down--behaving like some kind of Yahoo as explained in the book Gulliver's Travels.

by Check077 2008-07-31 02:02PM | 0 recs

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Whaddaya mean, a Democrat?

Spotted the link in Sitemeter -- thanks -- and came over here.

Let's be reasonable about this, ok?

Since I supported Hillary, and she's a racist, that makes me a racist, so why would you want me in your party anyhow? I mean, good luck, and all, don't get me wrong, but I totally understand your feelings, and good luck with your project.

That said, your comment on "AWESOME" is wrong on the post, and wrong on who speaks for Corrente (clue: only the Fellows, collectively).

Unfortunately, I can't afford to pay people to infest sites and beat down everyone who disagrees with me.

Maybe when the Obama campaign winds down, and that frees people up and the piece rate for comments goes down, you could send people looking for work my way?

My budget's nothing like Axelrod's, of course.

by lambertstrether 2008-07-30 12:27PM | 0 recs

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Ah, the great myth of the Obama

paid site commenters. Always offered by the Obama-hating nutjobs of the blogosphere without a SHRED of evidence.

Kinda like the myth of the intentionally leaked prayer.

Or, my favorite, the one where you personally blamed the Whitey tape rumors on the . . . you guessed it . . . Obama campaign.

Y'all make the Free Republic crowd of the mid 1990's look like Isaac Newton.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:30PM | 0 recs

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If we get paid...

...where do I pick up my check and how do I need to report it?

by AZphilosopher 2008-07-30 12:42PM | 0 recs

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We don't get paid, we're cultists.

But, the campaign pays us anyways.

Because they can afford to waste dollars to have people post comments at crapstain websites like Corrente.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:44PM | 0 recs

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Re: We don't get paid, we're cultists.

Don't forget we go to the hopium dens. Maybe I should ask someone there who is smoking the hopium.

But I need to see about those checks so I can score more hopium. Daddy's got to feed the monkey.

by AZphilosopher 2008-07-30 12:52PM | 0 recs

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Re: Whaddaya mean, a Democrat?

"Since I supported Hillary, and she's a racist, that makes me a racist"

WTF?

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 12:41PM | 0 recs

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Checkout Lambert's GBCW diary at Kos:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/3/17/ 16398/6411/338/478663

Proof that mental illness is no barrier to blogging.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:45PM | 0 recs

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god

what a kook.

by taylormattd 2008-07-30 01:24PM | 0 recs

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Re: Checkout Lambert's GBCW diary at Kos:

Oh.

My.

God.

"I'm not gonna hurt ya! You didn't let me finish. I said, I'm not gonna hurt ya. I'm just gonna bash your brains in. I'm gonna bash them right the fuck in."

by Jess81 2008-07-30 03:36PM | 0 recs

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I don't want you in the party

Not because of racism, but rather because of your unrelenting and tedious pretentiousness. Nobody likes a bore.

by JJE 2008-07-30 01:06PM | 0 recs

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It was the paranoid and

psychotic stuff for me.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 01:26PM | 0 recs

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Re: Whaddaya mean, a Democrat?

"My budget's nothing like Axelrod's, of course."

perhaps..because he is success..
and you are

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVCmqSAf Bs

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 01:41PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's are GOP

Thank you...
connecting the dots...

As part of the Denver Obama campaign..working the doors..
I have yet to find a single person who supported Clinton who does not now support Obama.

This includes those that physically supported Clinton in our 2/5 caucus...

Every day...it is critical we expose this GOP talking point of any significant number of Democrats
that supported Clinton...still supporting Clinton..or saying they will vote McCain..or saying they won't vote..

If anyone doubts this...
get involved with your local Obama Campaign..knock on doors for yourself.

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 12:39PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's RNC

of course when I write "still supporting Clinton" I mean still believing she should be our 2008 nominee.

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 12:44PM | 0 recs

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They don't support Clinton.

That's the point--these asshats are Republicans and members of the Obama Hate cult.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:46PM | 0 recs

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Re: They don't support Clinton.

One of the problems here is that folks like you seem to have difficulty differentiating between stoolies and idiots like this Puma crowd and genuine Clinton supporters who want Obama to win and are concerned his campaign is not exactly surging at the moment, and at the same time don't like dissing of Clinton who looks more and more necessary to his campaign every day. There's a world of difference.

by ottovbvs 2008-07-30 12:51PM | 0 recs

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True Clinton supporters recognize

that we need to retake the White House in November.

That doesn't mean that they have to love Barack Obama.

It doesn't even mean they have to like or trust him.

But, someone who genuinely supported Clinton and her values wouldn't go out promoting Republican propaganda against her wishes.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 12:55PM | 0 recs

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Re: True Clinton supporters recognize

Well, recognizing that we need to retake the White House and a vote for Obama are not one in the same.

Geekesque quote: But, someone who genuinely supported Clinton and her values wouldn't go out promoting Republican propaganda against her wishes.

My response: Yes, I agree with you on this. That's precisely my point in revealing that promoting a vote for Republican over Democrats in congressional races is totally against her wishes.

Personally, I believe that a Hillary supporter would not be attempting to get others to vote for McCain. However, to vote for McCain on your own is totally within reason--just not on a mass scale. Hey, I just respect each person decisions, not saying that I necessarily agree or disagree with it. But I do not agree with pushing this on a mass scale in a strategically targeted fashion--to do so would be republicanesque.

by Check077 2008-07-30 02:46PM | 0 recs

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Re: True Clinton supporters recognize

"to do so would be republicanesque."

You lose me there, why do you concede effective political maneuvers as property of the RNC?

We make the same mistake every year, we can fight hard and still be honest.

I haven't seen Obama push one lie or falsehood against McCain. But yet he never ceded an inch of ground to them since he clinched, not an inch (and I speak for campaign politics, not senate politics which is another story)

What did Kerry do about the Swiftboat attacks? From I know he ran and hid.

What did Kerry do when the right bashed his wife?

Im just tired of these Democrats with jello for spines.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 02:55PM | 0 recs

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Re: True Clinton supporters recognize

"to do so would be republicanesque."

You lose me there, why do you concede effective political maneuvers as property of the RNC?

We make the same mistake every year, we can fight hard and still be honest.

I haven't seen Obama push one lie or falsehood against McCain. But yet he never ceded an inch of ground to them since he clinched, not an inch (and I speak for campaign politics, not senate politics which is another story)

What did Kerry do about the Swiftboat attacks? From I know he ran and hid.

What did Kerry do when the right bashed his wife?

Im just tired of these Democrats with jello for spines.

by DemsLandslide2008

Okay, I believe you lost me with your response.

When I used the word "republicanesque", I did so only to highlight that if PUMA (or so-called disaffected Democrats) were pushing a massive VOTE-FOR-MCCAIN strategy it would be like a republican campaign. This is based on the premise that republicans promote republicans and democrats promote democrats, usually.

However, if this is that person's or democrat's decision to vote for McCain on a personal, then, I support their right to choose. They can vote Democrat elsewhere, because they'll do so with or without my support. It is their choice to make regardless of who likes it or not.

As I repeat, it would be republicanesque to basically campaign for McCain on a National scale. I do not believe my words had anything to do with "conced[ing] effective political maneuvers as property of the RNC".

Although I would state that LBJ and Bill Clinton fought against them successfully in the past, I now believe that Obama will benefit as a child of destiny in overcoming the republican attacks. People know how subversive and deceitful their agenda and strategies are. It would not take a toddler to see past that now. If anything, Obama will overthrow the current negative connotation behind the liberal label. For that, I can be proud. It's unfortunate that I can not cheer this time around.

by Check077 2008-07-31 09:17AM | 0 recs

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Re: They don't support Clinton.

You are correct, Otto. There is a world of difference, and its a distinction I've tried to make here. It isn't an easy sale to some.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-30 01:05PM | 0 recs

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Re: They don't support Clinton.

Hey...
I would like to believe you have moved beyond..

a few few links...would go a long way...

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 01:42PM | 0 recs

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Otto's been a solid citizen lately

Much moreso than I would have guessed.

hats off to him

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 01:51PM | 0 recs

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You're telling the truth...

But I don't know how far you'll get here. I think most of us here are down with "PUMA Fatigue". I'm sick & tired of obsessing over all things "PUMA". They're clearly not Hillary Clinton Democrats, or ANY kind of Democrat for that matter. I'm done with them.

by atdleft 2008-07-30 01:35PM | 0 recs

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Believe you me, there

are plenty of topics more appetizing to me.

But, folks at this site have to get past the notion that rightwing Swiftboating is noble dissent if it comes from someone who has a picture of Hillary on their website.

I think we can all agree that people carrying RNC pamphlets aren't allowed inside the 'big tent.'

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 01:40PM | 0 recs

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Re: Believe you me, there

We actually don't all have to think like you do. Surprising, I know. :) Unless you are the absolute monarch of the Internet and I've heretofore evaded a lettre de cachet?

by daria g 2008-07-30 05:49PM | 0 recs

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McCain voters and Obama voters

don't belong under the same tent.

People have a choice to make--Obama, Clinton, and Kennedy or McCain, Rove, and Bush.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 06:54PM | 0 recs

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Re: You're telling the truth...

ATD, help me out here.

Why do they come to this site only?

Why can't we shake them.

Honestly I wouldn't care as long as they didnt troll, didn't smear Democrats onr Fox News, and did not harass our DNC and elected officials' offices with prank calls or sending back donation mailers with nothing in them.

Personally if we had some sense, we would start blacklisting their names to the DNC.
I know that makes me a bad guy, but I am just tired of losing.

And as I said above, this problem is not one the Republicans will likely ever have.

See they value strength over numbers.

We keep bitching how our congress does not cater to our demands, why should we be suprised.

The Repugs walk on hand and knees for their base (oil, religious industrial complex, military, big business, etc) by running on their agenda while our party is afraid of having a candidate to liberal.

ATDleft, whether these people are real or not, they cheapen our brand.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 01:44PM | 0 recs

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They don't just come here...

They hang around the "PUMA" sites, but they like to come here sometimes to wreak havoc and "mess with the Obamabots". And yes, I agree that these McTrolls are NO Democrats. It's just that at this time, we're better off focusing on winning those folks (including still disgruntled Hillary supporters still open to rejoining us) who are actually persuadable. I'm just so sick & tired of these "PUMA" McTrolls dishonoring Hillary and trashing all of us true Hillary Clinton Democrats who care about our country enough to support Obama now.

by atdleft 2008-07-30 02:23PM | 0 recs

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Re: They don't just come here...

I find them to be absolutely insignificant in the Macro picture.

When I try and tell people about them, they give me a funny look saying "Dude are you serious, this is what you waste your time on"

So in the grand scheme of things, If I worry if Obama's Europe trip was seen by enough people, why the hell should I worry about some fringe group.

If anything, I guess you can call me a perfectionist in that I want the DNC and our party to be as cost effective as possible and produce as many votes as possible.
If we have these folks spamming our blogs, harrasing our SD's, trying to sabotage fundraising efforts, creating and spreading smears that make it to the mainstream and of course internet then I see them as a threat worth squashing.

Now as far as the folks you speak of, I have a hard time buying into a true progressive not voting for Obama.

I am being serious when I say, right or wrong, this guy might redefine the POTUS AGAIN. By again I mean to pull a "Bill Clinton."

Really, I truely believe that Obama will have the same if not better ratings than Bill did.

I dunno, just wish and hope one day the throng of Hillary supporters can accept that many saw Obama as the next Bill Clinton.

It is something about their speaking ability, they both do a great job of inspriring patriotism, optimism, and hope in our system.

thanks for reading.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 02:36PM | 0 recs

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True...

The "PUMAs" are a nuisance, and I guess it's not a bad thing to fight them into oblivion. I mean, I do know something about...

http://clintonistasforobama.blogspot.com :-D

No really, I guess I just pick & choose my battles with the McTrolls now. Sometimes, I just need to focus on Democratic promotion. But sure, there are times when we need to call the "PUMAs" out on their crap & stop their smears of Obama & other Democrats.

by atdleft 2008-07-30 03:04PM | 0 recs

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Re: True...

Oh I know your site.

You have a lot to hold up your head for, and FWIW your push actually took my primary driven emotions towards Hillary supporters on the net, from something very negative to actually a solid level of mutual respect.

I think your group would even have been cooler without PUMA sucking your energy out.

Think about how much more positive CFO would be if it was simply a group to coaless Clinton supporters who were so caught up in her campain as a a way to transition to Obama for effort of Victory.

Do you know what I mean with that?

What I am saying is CFO would be just as valid without the perceived HRC supporter backlash.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 03:31PM | 0 recs

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Re: True...

I guess it's not a bad thing to fight them into oblivion

It's a terrible thing! Good lord! This is a democracy! People vote! You can drive people off websites with angry rhetoric and "fight" them til the cows come home, and then they come to associate that negative behavior with causes and candidates you support, and then they go out and vote - for the OTHER candidate! And that's what counts! This is not rocket science!

by daria g 2008-07-30 05:44PM | 0 recs

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Re: You're telling the truth...

Why do you come to this site? You're already drunk on the kool-aid. Go hang out at the Big Orange Cheetoh.

It's so tiresome to see you all hanging around.

by lizpolaris 2008-07-30 02:55PM | 0 recs

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Why do McCainiacs like you

hang around a Democratic website?

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 03:43PM | 0 recs

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What party are PUMAs?

You only wish it were true that all us PUMAs are Republican. Then you wouldn't have to face the truth that Obama the unity fairy has divided the Democratic party. PUMAs are those Democrats that won't be voting for The Precious in November. Good luck without us.

by lizpolaris 2008-07-30 02:53PM | 0 recs

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Re: What party are PUMAs?

Thank you for your kind thoughts.

That's exactly how much of a contribution we needed from you. We're good now. Please dodder off into obscurity like a good little spoiler.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-30 03:02PM | 0 recs

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Re: What party are PUMAs?

I might make this one of my only hide rates but I think it better that such ugliness and idiocy be seen by all.

Fitting punishment

by wrb 2008-07-30 03:25PM | 0 recs

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Re: What party are PUMAs?

It is not about "luck".

It is about an organization that will leave you and the GOP lying, after November, like the dust bunnies in the corners of our extra room....

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 03:51PM | 0 recs

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It's official

Asshats at MyDD engage in gang-troll rating comments they disagree with.

A habit brought over from the Cheetoh, no doubt.

by lizpolaris 2008-07-30 03:36PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official

No. We got it from the Cheezus.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-30 03:38PM | 0 recs

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Praise Cheezus.

Then eat him.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 03:44PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

Ok...
I will say it...

To my knowledge, Sen. Clinton has yet to specifically repudiate PUMA's...

I await someone to link a specific repudiation.

by nogo postal 2008-07-30 03:46PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

This is the strongest argument against her being vp.

by wrb 2008-07-30 03:59PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

so zc, why is this not a strong argument against?

Do you think tacit endorsement of pumas forecasts an effective working relationship?

by wrb 2008-07-30 07:12PM | 0 recs

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She said she does NOT support

any PUMA efforts.

She threw these loonies under the bus a long time ago, and good on her for that.

by Geekesque 2008-07-30 04:12PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

The insinuation that Senator Clinton somehow may support the PUMA movement is due a trollrating by itself for sheer idiocy.

I guess you'd rather her call a press conference and denounce the whole movement, right?

Oh wait, she already has a public statement:
(Maybe you should try doing research before contracting a bad case of verbal diaherra next time)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/16 /clinton-distances-herself_n_113094.html

A spokesperson for Sen. Clinton implicitly distanced the candidate from Lieberman's effort, telling the Huffington Post: "Senator Clinton fully supports Senator Obama. She continues to urge all of her supporters to get behind him. ... She continues to do everything she can to rally folks behind him. We don't support any effort that doesn't."

by zcflint05 2008-07-30 04:48PM | 0 recs

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Re: It's official: PUMA's promote RNC

Hmm how quick people forget.

I don't blame her for not denouncing, it is quite embaressing that people are stealing your name to get famous (Will Bower, dbag of the year).
It looks weak.

But in the end she denounced Lieberman as Zcflint pointed out.

She also shut down Lanny Davis' rediculous petition to force her onto the ticket.
and that was less than 24 hours after the concession.

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-30 05:24PM | 0 recs

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Whistlin past the grave yard

If you really want to know who the Pumas are, you might want the check out some poll numbers. Here's an interesting piece by Dick Morris on the subject:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/article s/2008/07/obamas_women_problem.html

Money quote:

For a Democrat to be losing among women over 40 is without precedent in the past 20 years.

These women are not Republicans.

by dbrown04 2008-07-30 04:59PM | 0 recs

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Re: Whistlin past the grave yard

They are now.

They are willing to hear people being tortured in order to feel more self-important.

They are scum. Monsters actually.

by wrb 2008-07-30 07:14PM | 0 recs

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Two points

First, good job trying to conflate the "women over 40" numbers (tens of millions) with "puma" numbers (easily hundreds). Even Morris doesn't make that connection.

Second, Dick Morris is a moron:

Of course, McCain is a uniquely attractive candidate to the Democratic and independent base.

LOL

I mean...wow.

by Neef 2008-07-30 08:33PM | 0 recs

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Some proof

Linking to something you think is funny is now PROMOTION of that website and all that it stands for and all that its sponsor stands for?

A mighty broad test, my friend.

Carolyn Kay
MakeThemAccountable.com

by Caro 2008-07-30 11:19PM | 0 recs