Stan Greenberg and Carville are Bush Sock Puppets

Continuing my rant from yesterday, the L.A. Times has the story, Most Democrats Opt Against Social Security Brainstorming:
As strategists urge ideas, many in Congress would rather keep focus on the GOP's unpopular plan.

Every Democrat who doesn't want to keep the focus on Bush's unpopular plan is a Bush Sock Puppet Extraordinaire. This shouldn't even be up for discussion.

As the House Ways and Means Committee prepares to open a new front in the Social Security battle, congressional Democrats are resisting calls from some party strategists to offer a proposal of their own to shore up the retirement system.

"Democrat forecast on Social Security: severe obstruction, no ideas," headlined a bulletin from the Republican National Committee on Friday.

That sounds like a damn good forecast to me. Any Democrat who offers ideas about how to help Bush destroy Social Security is a Sock Puppet.

In spite of limp wristed Democratic incompetence, Bush and the Republicans are floundering:
Most Democrats in Congress are content to watch their Republican colleagues and President Bush hold the floor alone in proposing ways to improve the finances of Social Security.

Bush's proposal to let workers divert some of their payroll taxes into individual investment accounts has not fared well in public opinion surveys, and his endorsement last week of a plan to curtail future benefits of all but the lowest-earning 30% of workers is not faring much better.

The more Bush tries to defend privatization, the more unpopular it becomes:

We want to keep the focus on their intention to privatize Social Security," said Rep. Sander M. Levin of Michigan, the leading Democrat on the Ways and Means subcommittee on Social Security. "The more the public hears about privatization, the more they dislike it."

Despite Bush's continual urging for politicians to put ideas on the table, many Democratic strategists say there is no down side to opposing Bush's plan and offering nothing in its place.

"The public will be satisfied to hear the Democrats just say no," said Guy Molyneux, a senior vice president of Peter D. Hart Research Associates, a Democratic polling firm. "As far as the public is concerned, Social Security's financial problem is not urgent, and Congress should take its time."

Uh oh! There are apparentlly some Dem Wits who don't want Bush to be lonely looking like a complete moron:

But there is a school of thought among Democrats that the say-nothing strategy could work as long as Bush was not specific about his intentions for heading off the Social Security solvency problem.

But now that the president has shown some of his cards with his support last week for curtailing benefits for retirees in the middle and upper reaches of the income scale, Democrats can no longer just say no, this line of thought holds.

Just when you think Democratic incompetence has reached an apex, they want to take us higher:

The Democrats should say no to privatization -- there's no compromising on that -- but they should seize the moment to address pension reform, health costs and other issues," Democratic strategist James Carville said Friday.

In a memo last month, Carville and colleague Stan Greenberg urged congressional Democrats to come up with an alternative to Bush's call for individual investment accounts.


Translation: Bush is winning the unpopularity war! We have to demonstrate to the American people that we have just as many ignorant ideas as Bush does.

This next part is the key. Democrats have done such a poor job of explaining Social Security, that the L.A. Times can actually print this nonsense:

Bush's plan would allow workers to divert 4 percentage points of their 12.4% payroll taxes, up to $1,000 a year, to accounts that they could invest in broad-based mutual funds. In return, workers would agree to a cut in their traditional Social Security benefits.

Bush has cast the individual accounts as part of a broader plan, which is still taking shape, to improve the finances of the system.

The Social Security program's trustees estimate that, pressed by the retirement of the baby boom generation, Social Security will owe more in benefits than it collects in payroll taxes starting in 2017. In 2041 it will have spent its entire accumulated surplus, and the payroll tax will be sufficient to pay 74% of promised benefits.


Until the Democrats can understand and explain two simple points, it is the height of incompetence to try and move the debate forward.

One, Bush has absolutely no interest in improving the finances of Social Security. Bush has not proposed anything. Bush has flapped his gums about private accounts and cutting benefits for the middle class. Democrats should keep the focus exactly where it is. Bush wants to destroy Social Security.

Two, estimates are estimates. The Democrats need to get with the program and start putting out their own estimates. The Democrats need to point out that the Social Security Trustees are Bush Sock Puppets:

Two important points to recognize. One , the Trustees are not some independent group of bipartisan citizens appointed to oversee the Trust Fund. Instead they comprise:

Secretary of the Treasury John W Snow
Secretary of Labor Elaine L Chao
Secretary of HHS Michael O Leavitt
Commissioner of Social Security Jo Anne B Barnhart

They are all political appointees who serve at the will of the President (meaning they can be fired at any time)
together with:
Trustee Thomas R Saving
Trustee John L Palmer
who are Presidential appointees who serve four year terms.

Any notion that these Reports are insulated from political influence should be chucked out the window right now.


I've been following the Social Security minutae very closely and I didn't know that until Bruce Webb pointed it out. Democrats need to inform the American people that the Social Security Trustees are Bush Sock Puppets. Their estimate is worse than worthless, it is wrong and Bush is a liar. Social Security will not be bankrupt in 1942.

Ways and Means Chairman Bill Thomas (R-Bakersfield) will hold a hearing on Social Security on Thursday, an event that could bring new momentum to the drive for an overhaul plan. Thomas announced last week that he planned to consider matters well beyond Bush's proposal for individual accounts, using the Social Security debate as a stepping-off point to address a host of issues related to retirement, including healthcare costs, long-term care and even tax restructuring.

Stop the music! What did Carville suggest?

but they should seize the moment to address pension reform, health costs and other issues," Democratic strategist James Carville said Friday.

Do you detect the eerie similarity between what Rep. Bill Thomas just said and what James Carville said?

Query: What in the hell do health care costs, pension reform, long term care and tax restructuring have to do with Social Security? These are all separate and distinct issues. If Carville, Clinton and the rest of the Bush Sock Puppets let Bush and Thomas confuse the issue or put together a large omnibus bill that lumps them all together, Bush wins.

Thomas said he hoped to complete hearings this month and move a bill to the House floor in June. That ambitious schedule would have the House act before the somewhat more bipartisan Senate. Sen. Charles E. Grassley (R-Iowa), Thomas' counterpart as chairman of the Finance Committee, hopes to have a bill ready for the full Senate by the end of July.

Both committees will probably have to act without significant Democratic support. "No spoonful of artificial sweeteners will lead us to support replacement of Social Security with private accounts," Rep. Levin said.


That appropriate adjective in that sentence should be absolutely no Democratic support.

We can only hope and pray that the latest batch of Bush Sock Puppets keep a sock in in and let Bush and the GOPers continue to drown in their own woebegotten ideological morass.

Peter R. Orszag, a former Clinton administration official, and Peter A. Diamond, an economist at MIT, have a proposal that may serve as a model for a Democratic plan.

Their proposal relies on a variety of benefit cuts and tax increases to shore up Social Security's finances. But no politician has endorsed this approach.

Rep. Rahm Emanuel of Illinois, a Democrat on the Ways and Means Committee, said there was no need to. Democrats would stick together, he said, "until the president realizes that private accounts are a nonstarter. The people have looked at privatization, and they have decided they like the security that comes with Social Security."

Why can't the Democratic party get unanimous agreement not to throw a Social Security life preserver to Bush?

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Following my usual practice
I have sent the following email to James Carville at james@carville.info, Crossfire and NDOL:

Dear James,

I don't know if Mary Maitlin is putting arsenic in the oatmeal you gum every morning or if there is something in the D.C. water, but something has seriously addled your tiny bald headed brain. Why do you and Stan Greenberg want to throw Bush a life preserver by proposing a Democratic alternative to destroying Social Security?

I have just posted at diary at MyDD that accuses you and Stan of being Bush Sock Puppets:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/5/7/121838/9256

I wrote one yesterday accusing BillandHillary of being Bush Sock Puppets:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2005/5/7/0129/22327

If you would like to clarify the record, I invite you to respond.

Peace out,
Gary Boatwright

by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-07 09:04AM | 0 recs
Carville is an award winning consultant
Today he won another award, a spot on the Wall of Shame.
by blogswarm 2005-05-07 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Carville is an award winning consultant
A very well deserved award it is. I hope that idiot Clinton doesn't become the topic du jour on the The Sunday Funny Shows tomorrow.

I appreciate all of the work you've done at There is no crisis Bob. If we can keep the Demwits from breaking ranks Bush is toast. As soon as any Democrat steps forward with a written plan, before Bush does, Social Security loses and so do we.

by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-07 11:19AM | 0 recs
Carville is on Meet the Press with Mary Maitlin
This should be interesting, Russert and Maitlin and Carville. Three Bush Sock Puppets on the same show at the same time. I'm going to be watching and listening very carefully.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-08 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Carville is on Meet the Press
The tiny brained bald headed old geezer did pretty damned good criticizing Pat Robertson, but he mumbled something about a "strong package of reform" on Social Security.
by Gary Boatwright 2005-05-08 07:48AM | 0 recs

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