The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I see by the diaries that we've got some nostalgia for the Feb-June primary wars at MyDD, and I think now is a good time for a tribute to those days of glory and those who made them possible.

The primary diary battles on this site were special, wonderful, and unlikely to be replicated unless there's another big rift among progressive Democrats.  The diary wars were gut wrenching for those worried about the ability of Democrats to unite in November, but very entertaining as the political blog equivalent of reality TV dating shows like "I Love New York" or "Rock of Love". Initially I found the whole thing disturbing as it took MyDD off its course as a clearing house for progressive politics.  But after awhile the diaries became addictive, not unlike watching the next elimination of a love-seeking doofus by a badly damaged pseudo-celebrity.

Where other sites like Talk Left, for Clinton, or Kos, for Obama, became boring echo chambers for their candidate's fan base, MyDD attracted a comparatively even match of Clinton and Obama supporters.  Only at MyDD were the diaries a place for a pitched battle of ideas, innuendo, and outrage.  

Part of the fun was in trying to sort the mix of sincere and insincere trollery.  Just like wondering if anyone really wanted to live forever with Tiffany Patterson or Brett Michaels, you could never really know who was parodying the other team's partisans and who meant it and was probably downing shots, crying a river, and/or punching their keyboards as they typed.  After reading through the comments both types ventured so far into caricature that the question of authenticity (who really meant it) gave way to aesthetics (who had turned political vitriol into high art).

Now that the nomination has been settled the heat of the diary battles has cooled down considerably and many of the key combatants have moved on.  I have nostalgia for the theater-of-the-absurd quality of the primary wars, but I prefer the return to MyDD normality and I think it's here to stay.  

There won't be an influx of McCainiacs capable of sustaining the springtime antics. Despite claims by their foes, few of the primary warriors were McCain trolls.  The intensity of the primary diary battles could only have been produced by people who at some level really really cared about their candidates, and McCain just hasn't been able to generate that kind of enthusiasm, much less the kind necessary for a sustained foray onto an opposition blog's diary pages.  Without a comparable commitment to their nominee, McCain-ites lack the stamina for near-constant posts and replies to ever-more obscure perceived insults or arcane electoral forecasting.  

Another factor that made spring 08 exceptional at MyDD was the fact that Clinton v. Obama produced the first full-out intramural fight in the progressive blogosphere.  The candidates were close enough and compelling enough to make each side believe it was right and would win if only for the morons & GOP trolls on the other side.  As the first of these it generated more heat than future battles will because the players of future infighting can only imitate the fireworks of spring '08.  

Finally, none of this would have happened without the combination of  Jerome Armstrong, who took up the Clinton cudgels, and the rest of the frontpagers who were more measured.  Jerome intentionally or inadvertently opened the space up for some great entertainment.  For that he deserves thanks from all of us because, deep down, you know you loved the show.

And now, back to beating the GOP.

Tags: clinton, obama, primary wars, trolls (all tags)

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27 Comments

Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

Yeah. It was awesome. I'll look back on those flame wars with huge nostalgia as you point out. I also helps that Jerome Banned me for a while, in the Bob Johnson Battle, so I proudly wear the purple heart of my current sock puppet.

I'm probably going to write an article in a British publication about the Primary Wars and the Flame Battles of yesteryear. I think it's changed political discourse for years to come. Brits have no idea of the passion, vitriol, and rhetorical bullets expended. I'm a screenwriter/dramatist, and I have hundreds of great put down lines which will last me for a decade. One day I might write a diary with my favorite insults included. Thanks for posting this.  

I think we all went through hell, especially here where both sides were represented, and trolls could troll with relative impunity. We're battle hardened now, and I still think of my colleagues in arms with great affection. I could roll call them here, but especially under my old username Brit, they came to my defense in some intense firefights. They had my back

But you know what the oddest thing is. The people I've really bonded with now are the genuine Hillary supporters, especially Sricki. In this way it was more like some huge sporting tournament, where competition leads to respect and even sympathy. It was a weird and wonderful season in the sun, and I'm still digesting it.

Battle hardened, picture links at the ready, put downs loaded, logical fallacies primed, I'm ready for whatever McCain and Redstate want to send over.

And I still love squishing trolls.

by duende 2008-06-25 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I remember your old user name brit, but just figured that you stopped visiting the site.  I had no idea you were banned.  Anyway... I, for one, would love to see the insult compilation diary.

by thatpurplestuff 2008-06-25 02:25PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

Everytime alegre dropped a diary her comments section became a feeding frenzy. It was in her sandbox in which the battle went up a notch.

Please do that diary brit!

by spacemanspiff 2008-06-25 02:40PM | 0 recs
What I miss most about Alegre

is the way she would replace cuss-word vowels with symbols.  Verrry cl@ssy.

So long as we're reminiscing...

by redwoodsummer 2008-06-25 04:08PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

Yeah. Banned outright merely for recc'ing a Bob Johnson diary that got too close to Jerome's financial interests. Only got my reccing privileges back as Duende because I wrote a Hillary Legacy diary which made in an Arianna front pager on the Huffington post.

You somehow survived intact. Pisses me off people don't know it's the same person. Oh well. Not bitter.

But I miss Bob Johnson. He'll never forgive Jerome.

by duende 2008-06-25 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

No, it was not near my financial interest and even if it was I'd not do anything about it. His reason was the unfounded blanket accusation of racism that got him shoved out of here, he knew the rules plenty well ahead of time.

Not that I miss him, but he probably got reinstated with the others.

by Jerome Armstrong 2008-06-25 03:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

Thanks for setting the record straight. Without information, other explanations get traction

Just so you know, I've bumped into him on 'the other site' and tried to persuade him to return. You may not miss him, but he'd be great on the run up to the GE.

And though I gripe about some of the things that happened during the primary wars, this was still the place to be as the diarist points out.

by duende 2008-06-25 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: "Brits have no idea"

Have you ever watched a debate in the House of Commons? Holy shit.

by USArmyParatrooper 2008-06-25 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: "Brits have no idea"

True. But MYDD and DKOS has taught me a thing or two about political infighting.

The distance between the two sides in the house of commons is based on how far a sword could thrust without immediately lacerating the opposition.

In the flame wars, that distance would have to be several miles.

by duende 2008-06-25 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I'd love to see tht list, duende. Though, I'm not sure I'm nostalgic yet.

by linfar 2008-06-25 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I'll keep you posted linfar. It will have to wait a couple of weeks anyway as I'm on the hoof to Ireland soon. Maybe I should canvass people's memories of their favorite put downs. If I get this magazine commission I certainly should.

I'll put my email address under my new username soon.

by duende 2008-06-25 02:51PM | 0 recs
Funny to think of the primary war casualties

Bob Johnson on one hand, people like SusanHu, Universal, Alegre, TexasDarlin...all posted prolifically until one big event or another got them banned or pissed off.

It's also a little illuminating to see how many of the most vocal MyDD Clinton supporters have continued their crusade well after the primary is over.  During the primary, their arguments were hard to swallow for me, but the past few weeks have kind of confirmed their extremism, as most of them are now peddling their wares on sites that are purely anti-Obama, passing along any rumor, and criticizing him for being everything from too liberal to too centrist to too conservative.  If they see the irony in constantly quoting Fox News, it's not apparent.

I like this place again, though.  The primary wars were vicious, but thank God they're gone.

by The Great Gatsby 2008-06-25 03:02PM | 0 recs
Some of us .....

had great gastric reflux reactions to Bob Johnson, but please don't use the broad brush to paint all Hillary supporters as anywhere near as lunatic as the PUMA folks.  

I agree, glad the primary wars are gone and would not like them back anytime soon, if ever.

by emsprater 2008-06-25 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

You know, in a weird way I miss Universal, Algre, TD and the rest.  

I didn't post much during the primary wars, (the one time I did get into the middle of it, I found it completely unproductive), but it was exciting reading nonetheless.  And, it was an historic time:  A woman, and a black man making a real run at a major party's nomination.

I haven't been that worked up in a long time.  It shows you how much passion everyone brought to the debate.

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-06-25 03:22PM | 0 recs
Agreed & Rec'd

The intensity of the primary diary battles could only have been produced by people who at some level really really cared about their candidates, and McCain just hasn't been able to generate that kind of enthusiasm, much less the kind necessary for a sustained foray onto an opposition blog's diary pages.
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This is the most fair and logical point ever addressing the primary wars.  

by nklein 2008-06-25 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I'm apparently a minority, in that I really, really hated the primary wars.  

The 2004 wars were over so quickly that there wasn't time for the bitterness to build (and there was also the fact that neither candidate with strong netroots support actually won, those being Clark and Dean).  This time, there really is lasting bitterness, to the point where some Obama supporters continue to take shots at Clinton, and some Clinton supporters are supporting McCain and say "la la la I can't hear you" whenever anyone mentions that on the issues Clinton and Obama were pretty close.

A mixed legacy at best.  If Obama had won NH, I don't think groups like the PUMA would exist, and I don't think NQ would be quite where it is.  I supppose there would have been less organizing and fundraisng, but those funds were largely spent on becoming the presumptive nominee.  

I suppose it may have been necessary, and I can understand why some people miss the passion.  But I'm glad its over, and I don't miss it.    

by bosdcla14 2008-06-25 04:26PM | 0 recs
You're not the only one
   I found most of the primary war action to be distressing and unproductive. At one point I got sucked into a skirmish with one "Holden Caulfield" who told me that I was not a Democrat.  I used to come to this site for information about electoral politics and particularly Congressional politics. I got to where I would stop by here for a couple of minutes and then go over to Swing State or Senate Guru or DKos. Now I am getting back here more often and staying longer.
      I guess because I was never a strong partisan for the Presidential candidates I couldn't relate to either the Clinton or Obama diaries. (I wanted Feingold, then went to Kucinich and Edwards before ultimately voting for Obama in the CA primary. I didn't hate Clinton but liked her less, mostly because of her support of the war for too long.)
     
by Zack from the SFV 2008-06-25 08:58PM | 0 recs
I don't think

the wars were as bad as the '04 Clark V Dean flame wars on Dkos were.

They just lasted longer sometimes.

I won't miss some of them.  TexasDarlin now writes at noquarterusa where she is engaged in a snipe hunt about Obama's Birth Cirtificate.

by fladem 2008-06-25 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

The primary wars was serious business, son, and not for joking around. I remember getting cut off from my unit of Obama supporters, deep in Clintonian diary territory- I was surrounded, receiving ferocious incoming cult-comparison fire, and for awhile there, I thought I'd bought the farm.

Luckily, reinforcements showed up at the last second and we blogged a hole in their rhetoric, allowing me to narrowly escape.

But at what price? WHAT PRICE?

* sob *

by ragekage 2008-06-25 04:53PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

Is this snark?

;-)

by Purple with Green Stipes and Pink Polka Dots Dem 2008-06-25 05:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

Snark? Snark, sir? Sometimes I'm wrenched awake, dripping sweat in the middle of the night, fingers aching as if I'd been typing furiously and hotlinking lolcats. Tell me, sir, does that sound like snark to YOU?

by ragekage 2008-06-25 05:35PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I am not going to comment on any perceived  snarkiness but "fingers aching as if I'd been typing furiously and hotlinking lolcats." just made water go onto my keyboard... I can now haz teh towulls pleeze?

by KLRinLA 2008-06-25 06:27PM | 0 recs
Great Diary

The Primary Wars© became so vicious here that I stopped visiting for a while. Sure there were lots of people with valid points about either Clinton or Obama, but there was even more pure hate and vitriol being tossed around - by both sides.

Being an Obama supporter I found myself drawn into the flame wars at first, even posting and saying things that I now regret. But that was why I left. Engaging in those intense flame wars was entertaining on the one hand, but it also left one feeling a bit dirty afterwords.

One thing is clearly true. It was definitely the most interesting period I've ever been witness to in the reality-based community...

by John in Chicago 2008-06-25 05:28PM | 0 recs
There were some really ugly moments

Such as when Universal was at his peak, with his crazy rants on the rec list.  That type of thing was over the line, and several Obama supporters got banned because of over the top responses to that type of unmitigated bull.

There was a lot of admin pressure in favor of some Hillary supporting diarists, which led to the rec list being populated by Hillary diaries alone despite the relatively even population of supporters.

This is just rehashing old battles, I did love that this place actually had debate instead of being a true echo chamber either way.  I also love that this place had a pretty smooth transition to supporting the nominee.

Salute to all the posters here, and the admins.

by libertyleft 2008-06-25 05:56PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I miss the passion, but there have certainly been times when MyDD seemed like it was more trouble than it was worth.  I mean, as a result, we even had a few people talking about physically assaulting a formerly prolific Clinton diarist.

But the passion was, at times, truly invigorating.

by hornplayer 2008-06-25 06:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I came here because it was slightly more Clinton than Obama, and with good arguments bubbling up through the fray.

I miss Universal.  I still go to His44 just to read his shit.  He's a fascinating personality type.

I'm hoping that some of the good-faith Clinton people keep posting here.  Unanimity is boring and also dangerous.

by Koan 2008-06-25 06:41PM | 0 recs
Re: The MyDD Primary wars: a memorial

I am actually bored now that the primaries are over.  I have toned down my politics obsession.  I am planning to save up energy for when it gets closer to the general.  

But I do not check blogs that much anymore and have actually tried spending time with my family and even socializing.  Oh, and I have resumed shooting lots of people on Call of Duty 4.

by Xris 2008-06-25 06:49PM | 0 recs

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