Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation?

I don't know if it is possible at this point.  I'm sure many of us never expected Keith Olbermann to turn this way in becoming SHOCK TV.  We thought of Keith Olbermann as a respected Commentator who seemed to care about reporting truth.  An Edward Murrow of our time.

But he instead has become the waterboy for the Obama campaign.  Or shall I call him their media hatchet?  Now resorting to making up stories and coloring the facts and bringing on guests that were known to be a Gore basher during the Bush 2000 campaign, Richard Wolfe, proceding to "commentate" and LIE on the air.  

Lastnight Keith Olbermann repeated a false story, again. Twisting statements Hillary Clinton has made during this campaign, that we know what the other party will throw at the Democrats in the General Election, and she is best qualified to run against McCain's claim of experience and foregin policy. Hillary has been stating this. But Keith Olbermann decided lastweek to be the Obama campaign's media strategist in distorting her comments that somehow she was praising John McCain over another Democrat, Obama. When she said:
March 1 Dallas, "I think you'll be able to imagine many things Senator McCain will be able to say,” she said. “He’s never been the president, but he will put forth his lifetime of experience. I will put forth my lifetime of experience.Senator Obama will put forth a speech he made in 2002."
The same argument she has been making. But Keith Olbermann decided to take a distorted comment from a blogger and make a story out of it. The "Hillary: McCain would be better than Obama" making a story and lie, not with comments Hillary made, but their own interpretations of the above comments. Did Keith get too much backlash and instead of admitting a mistake, he repeated it, only worse? Lastnight, another piece of the Reality World died. Keith Olbermann brings up the same piece of news, only this time he shows the video clip of Hillary saying this and then procedes to distort and color the actual news and facts of what was said. He went on to call her the new Lieberman, posting up her name "McClinton", trying to say she would favor McCain over Obama, when that is not at all what was being discussed. And sadly, HE KNOWS THAT. Funny, the only person I know who would want to be compared to Joe Lierberman, would probably be the one who called him his "MENTOR", when Senator Obama himself endorsed Joe Lieberman over Democratic Primary Challenger Ned Lamont, and gave that glowing praise at their annual Democratic Party dinner in Connecticut, in which Ned Lamont was also in attendance. But on top of that, Keith brought on another one of those guests that act as an Obama sympathizer, Richard Wolfe. He embellished on Keith's comments and proceded to paint Hillary as being Lieberman like with claims and even said, "look, she's for Free Trade". Accusations and lies, is this what Countdown has become? If even we can't get Keith Olbermann to apolgize for his very colored words and claims, because he began his rant with a self declared immunity "this may be Hyperbole", but as Keith has said, he is responsible for his guests, and even though Cable is not considered "public airwaves", he used to care about facts. Will he make amends? Will he correct the record of comments made by Richard Wolfe? If Keith Olbermann still wants to believe Obama's lies, and not believe comments made by fellow New York journalists:
"We do not have a direct quote indicating her campaign told us she thought it was good for the economy at that time."-Newsday
"You know, in the years after her husband signed NAFTA, Senator Clinton would go around talking about how great it was and how many benefits it would bring."-ObamaObama mailer: Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a "boon" to our economy
"Obama's use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading. The quote marks make it look as if Hillary said "boon," not us. It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office".-Newsday
And he obviously is choosoing to ignore all of Mrs. Clinton's own comments and policy. I guess like Senator Obama, ignore the facts and just claim you don't believe her. Oh, the politics of cynicism. But maybe you might believe a known reporter who plays no favortism to the Hillary Clinton campaign, Carl Bernstein, when even he stated:
Bernstein: Hillary Clinton’s economics, the ones she preached to her husband in the White House are much closer to John Edwards then you would think. She argued with Bill Clinton when she was First Lady, her husband, she said ‘Bill, you are doing Republican economics when you are doing NAFTA.’ She was against NAFTA.
And he repeated again on CNN Tuesday night, the night Hillary Clinton WON BIG, Rhode Island, Ohio and Texas. Oh Keith, come back to us, PLEASE. You know the old saying, the truth shall set you free. [Update] Keith also brought up Obama's NAFTAgate claiming that someone from the Hillary Campaign last month also told Canada to take lightly her NAFTA position. First of all, that is also a lie. Because it was reported "that indirectly someone claiming from the Clinton campaign" (I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's people called and said "you can include Clinton's campaign on this too"), but Hillary not only denied it, (which Goolsbee from the Obama campaign could not and did not) and Hillary said she gives them blankent immunity to release the name of whomever contacted them (because they knew they did not). Video No such confirmation ever came against the Clinton Campaign, but the Canadian's DID release the memo of the Obama talks, that the AP released.

Tags: Barack Obama. Countdown, experience, foreign policy, Hillary Clinton, Joe Lieberman, Ketih Olbermann, mentor, MSNBC, NAFTA, president, Richard Wolfe (all tags)

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Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation?

Excellent.  Thank you for this.

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-07 05:17AM | 0 recs
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You Hillary supporters are all nuts and deranged. Even Todd is turning against this bullshit and you slog on.

by Erik 2008-03-07 07:04AM | 0 recs
Keith: Little Man behind Big Curtain

I was a fan for years before he was "discovered" by bloggers.

When I caught him in a lie, I felt like I'd been kicked in the solar plexis.  I felt knifed in the back by a good friend.

For days, he railed against "Fairy Tale" whatever.  He never quite explained it, but obviously thought it was a major scandel worthy of Rove.  I was taken in and totally turned on Clinton.

Then Dan Abrams aired the entire Clinton comment, so you heard it in context.  To my shock, Clinton had said nothing wrong.

Keith had lied to me.  

The guy who puffs himself up as the second Edward R. Murrow
is a clown.  

by earthoat 2008-03-07 07:21AM | 0 recs
Who's going to serve the Koolaid now?

You can't explain this away http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/6/18181 2/5082. Even Todd calls bullshit. Did that kick you in solar plexis?

by Erik 2008-03-07 07:32AM | 0 recs
Todd isn't an HRC supporter as far as I can tell

by earthoat 2008-03-07 08:13AM | 0 recs
That was funny

by Erik 2008-03-07 09:46AM | 0 recs
Your Link has been Removed

Maybe MyDD thought it was BS?

by earthoat 2008-03-07 08:17AM | 0 recs
No it's still there...

it's like three posts ago.

by Erik 2008-03-07 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Your Link has been Removed

The link had a gap in it, still works when put together.

by mutatio 2008-03-07 11:21PM | 0 recs
there is no link

there is a sentence saying "sorry, the story is no longer there."

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith: Little Man behind Big Curtain

And you turned on Clinton, huh? Well, since when do we believe what we hear on television in the first place? Always gotta back up TV-induced reactions with a little research. Even Olberman is there to entertain.

by LFL 2008-03-07 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith: Little Man behind Big Curtain

"For days, he railed against "Fairy Tale" whatever."

This is an outright lie.  When Olbermann mentioned the "Fairy Tale" business, he showed Bill Clinton's comments with full context and pointed out that the "Fairy Tale" line was clearly related to Clinton's estimation of Obama's Iraq stance -- and was, therefore, not racist.

I remember thinking to myself, "Yeah -- Olbermann's right.  To call this racist is bullshit."

by chinapaulo 2008-03-07 04:31PM | 0 recs
transcript?

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:11AM | 0 recs
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I think that a lot of the anti-BHO forces are unconsciously using him as a proxy for their unacknowledged anger at the true misogynist, the true victimizer of HRC (and other women.)

It would be much healthier if these anti-BHO forces could come to grips with their unjustified animosity toward BHO.  They need to ask themselves why they feel BHO is so bad, but WJC is so good.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 07:37AM | 0 recs
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I'm happy to answer that question - I do not approve of any Democrat poisoning the well on universal health care. If Obama can't support a plan that covers everyone, then he should run without a healthcare platform and let another Democrat tackle the problem. If he doesn't have the cojones, or the backbone (which he clearly doesn't) to take on the healthcare industry, then he's got no moral right to compromise the ability of freelancers like myself to get health care.

Understand - I consider this a grave moral failing on his part, evidence of a complete lack of integrity and proof that he's more interested in placating health insurance corporations than making sure Americans have health care. I've read his plan over and over again - it's a sell out. It's bad and he will make healthcare worse in this nation. Yes, I know that he allegedly has drivers in place to drive costs down, but without everyone covered, it's not going to work as well. And while expense is the reason some people don't have healthcare, I have worked in the healthcare insurance industry, and even companies with heavily subsidized plans (meaning premiums for an individual under $100 per month) have lots and lots of middle class income individuals opting out. Some single guy making $60k a year, who won't spend $50 for health care isn't concerned about the cost - and there are always lots and lots of young guys like that. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you.

That's my single biggest beef against Obama.

I don't like his rhetoric against Clinton - I don't like the fact that he characterized her foreign policy experience as "tea with ambassadors" or his "she periodically gets down" - both of those statements are the kind of crap I expect low life Texas Republicans to use against Ann Richards.

Saying that you believe Obama has run a misogynist campaign is against the rules here. But just know that if he gets the nomination, there millions of middle aged women - the bedrock of the Democratic party voting population - who will not vote for him because of those statements. And because of his disastrous universal healthcare policy, I'd rather fight again in four years against a McCain than right a decent healthcare policy off for eight years while he serves two terms.

Obama is not change. Obama is a Harvard graduate, who is the son of a Harvard graduate and who is married to Harvard graduate. He's one more guy, just like the past 43 presidents. He offers no change whatsover, and is quite obviously running one of the most loathsome and retrograde campaigns in history.

I never thought I'd hear a Democratic candidate in my lifetime use the misogynist dog whistles Obama has. I doubt even in the early 20th century any Democratic candidate has stooped quite as low vis a vis women voters and candidates as he has.

by Little Otter 2008-03-07 09:21AM | 0 recs
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Your rant about BHO as a misogynist, proves what I wrote.  Your anger is misplaced, because you can't bring yourself to acknowledge the true misogynist, the true victimizer of HRC (and other women.)

And, mandates don't work.  They are a political ploy.

We have seen in MA that the program is out of money and there are still half of the people uninsured (and many of the newly insured were put on existing federal programs for which they were already qualified regardless of mandates.)

In CA we saw that the mandate plan was supported by all the big insurance companies because mandates are good for business.  In liberal CA the mandate plan was so flawed that it only received 1 out of 11 votes of the committee.

Please consider my original post and look within yourself to find the true source of you hostility toward BHO.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 09:39AM | 0 recs
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There are lots of other misogynists and Obama has used misogynist rhetoric in his campaign. Whoever you think the real misogynist isn't running for president - Obama is.

The only that is proved is that you eithere don't know what misogyny is or you're ignoring Obama's genuinely low life rhetoric.

California's plan did not include a public insurer, nor did it function on a national basis. It wouldn't work as well as Clintons' does for those reasons alone. Mandates do work. Anyone who tells you otherwise has a fiscal agenda all their own. And neither Massachusetts or California's proposed plans are comparable because both are substantially flawed.

by Little Otter 2008-03-07 10:52AM | 0 recs
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What, he used the word "periodically"?

by dantes 2008-03-07 11:06AM | 0 recs
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I'm always fascinated by how effectively HRC has fooled large numbers of people into believing her mandate plan is good for uninsured people.  Before getting into details I want you to consider that Michael Moore has clearly (and correctly) stated that the HRC plan is no better than the BHO plan because neither plan pursues the single payer solution.

The MA plan and the HRC plan are supported by the same academic framework, so there is a lot in common.

When you say public insurer you must mean the plan (which both BHO and HRC support) to open up the government health care program to the general public.  BHO and HRC have the exact same plan for the public insurer, as you call it, option.  The problem is that the private companies will continue to take the profitable citizens while the government fee for service programs act as the financial support, that allows the private companies to make money.

Regarding poor citizens, both BHO and HRC have the same subsidy strategies.  If you compare the subsidy specifics of their plans side by side it is impossible to tell the two apart (I can give you quotes if you need them.)  

With regard to cost savings, both plans are similar, there is a study saying BHO is better, but really the differences are marginal.

So the only difference is the unfunded (after the subsidies which are provided by both BHO and HRC) mandate.  HRC has said that she would take up to 10% of a persons paycheck if they don't buy health insurance.  This means that large numbers of citizens who live paycheck to paycheck will go broke, because they don't have any extra money.

The true problem isn't the need to put a gun (mandate) to the head of the uninsured, the real problem is the cost of health care.  Most people who can afford health care already have it because it is provided by their employer.  Other rich and self employed people buy health insurance, when they can afford it, because they know that a single emergency could put them in bankruptcy, which is much scarier than any mandate.  

The uninsured in America can't afford health care, and taking money from them as they live paycheck to paycheck won't make health care more affordable, but it will make life even harder than it already is.

The key is to have a single payer, until then BHO's plan is better because it doesn't burden middle class (but not poor enough for a subsidy) families with an unfunded, regressive mandate.

Mandates are a political ploy.  

By the way BHO isn't a low life.  He's been trying to make government better ever since he started as a politician:

In a 1995 profile in The Chicago Reader, he said, "What if a politician were to see his job as an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 12:27PM | 0 recs
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Rezko, Auchi, kickback, Georgian mansion

by JoeySky18 2008-03-07 03:47PM | 0 recs
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Sorry this story is hype.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/bloomberg/200802 18/pl_bloomberg/ar8nlioqedc4

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 04:29PM | 0 recs
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Explain this to me. Obama has declared that his plan will make health care affordable to everyone. He also insists that the only thing keeping people from getting coverage is the affordability issue. If that's the case, what is his problem with mandating that everyone be covered?

by Inky 2008-03-07 04:19PM | 0 recs
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He's answered that many times.

He said that the first focus needs to be on costs, because taking money from people who can't afford an expensive policy doesn't help, that hurts families.  

The focus needs to be on costs, otherwise you end up with people paying the mandate penalty, but still not being able to have insurance because it is too expensive--this has already happened in MA.

By the way, thanks for asking a specific question rather than calling me a Kool Aid drinking cult member.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 04:28PM | 0 recs
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We've had lengthy discussions before and I've never accused you of being a kool-aid drinking cult member. I don't know why you would keep thinking that I would.

by Inky 2008-03-07 05:44PM | 0 recs
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After that post I realized that you and I have gone round and round on this before.

It's funny I was once again noted my appreciation of a myDD person who didn't call me a Kool Aid drinker, but you're the same person that didn't call me an Obamabot last time.  I've already been discouraged that there's so few of you, now I find out I'm double counting.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 04:35PM | 0 recs
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Then never mind my last comment. I don't see that charge getting thrown around here much, but I'll take your word for it. I do have to say that the acrimony between the two candidates' camps has gotten totally out of hand of late. I have this (completely unfounded) theory that Samantha Power lost her job because she started reading Daily Kos regularly and the hate-spewing diaries on that site finally made her lose her cool in front of a reporter. For someone so well schooled in the potentially tragic consequences of hate-filled rhetoric, she should have known better.

by Inky 2008-03-07 06:02PM | 0 recs
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To be sure I some times have a little "bite" in my posts, so that probably invites aggressive responses and accusations of Kool Aid etc.

The most important thing about Power is that she is an amazing woman, and her efforts related to preventing genocide are a great blessing to this world.  Beyond her monster comment, she noted that if Iraq was falling apart BHO reserved the right to extend the withdrawal time from Iraq.  The truth is that BHO has said this himself on the stump, in debates, and on his website.  Today HRC unfairly portrayed the Power comments as BHO saying one thing here and another thing from his advisers to foreign countries.  (For the record, even the Canadian memo says that Goolsbee told the Canadians BHO was going to change Nafta to strengthen environmental and labor standards.) Dana Milbank, who knows Power well, said that this  accusation by HRC was a part of the quick resignation (dismissal) of Power.  

As you've seen a glimpse of (with health care), I could go on and on laying out where I see problems with HRC.  But, it all boils down to the fact that if the roles were reversed BHO wouldn't have gone out of his way to manipulate a situation so that a great friend to the world would be fired, and their reputation needlessly destroyed.

I can't help but throw in one more example.  Even McCain rejected Bill Cunningham's comments about BHO and HRC.  But, HRC was silent about Bob Johnson, (as she was about eight years ago with Mrs. Arafat) and it took days before Bob admitted his comments were inappropriate.  

Anyway this stuff comes from the top down.  The candidates set the tone, and so far BHO and McCain have set a different tone than HRC.

McCain is clearly a nut, but he seems to have some core principles.  HRC is reasonable on policy, but the soap opera for 4 or 8 years is a high price.  So, why not have the best of both worlds with BHO.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 07:03PM | 0 recs
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Nope, you don't know what you're talking about. Clinton's plan expands Medicaid to cover adults without children. So very low income adults will not have money pulled out of their paycheck, they'll be covered by Medicaid. Clinton's play also expands federal support to counties to help pay for Medicaid. This and the public insurer are very big differences in the two plans.

And the only hoodwinking is on Obama's part - unless you're going to tell that the singularly under-accomplished Harvard graduate is, indeed, more knowledgeable on the subject of health care than, say, Paul Krugman or even John Edwards. LOL

I will point out that no where  in your post did you address Medicaid, or the public insurer. What I'm betting is that you don't know anything about either of them or how they operate, and who they benefit.

by Little Otter 2008-03-07 05:31PM | 0 recs
Rock on , Little Otter

I think one of the great failings of HRC's campaign has been her inability to make the differences in their health care plans--the large differences and the big stakes--understandable to the average person.  Even in the 16-min back and forth, she didn't make the sale.  Maybe it's too complicated, but I think it's a big hole in her attack. It's the litmus test--or it should be--for a progressive candidate.  I appreciate your trying to make it clearer.  

by desert dawg 2008-03-07 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Clinton is not running for president
Has anyone in HRC's campaign had the guts to tell him that?
by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 07:48PM | 0 recs
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I think Mr Olbermann has showed his true colors. This side of him maybe the real Keith  I do not watch his show anymore and never will again.  I don't watch MSNBC anymore

by bradydundee 2008-03-07 01:19PM | 0 recs
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Wow - you sure do put a lot of stock in the healthcare proposals. Which, of course, are just proposals and only have a casual relationship with whatever healthcare plan is actually passed by Congress. Besides, auto insurance is mandated. Yet, not all people have auto insurance. Mandates are a political ploy - and in other countries are considered the conservative approach to solving social ills. It is amazing that this `mandate' issue has become one of the biggest of the campaign when, in fact, it is trifling.

by LandStander 2008-03-07 02:04PM | 0 recs
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Your healthcare would cost no more on the Obama plan than the Clinton plan. Why does forcing you to buy healthcare change the amount of the healthcare you would get? In one case it would be cheap enough for you to buy  and in the other case you would be forced to buy it. Your argument makes no sense.

by benb 2008-03-07 04:59PM | 0 recs
No, Keith wants to the GOP to win

BO + KO need to be KO'd.

by moi moi 2008-03-07 07:58AM | 0 recs
I quit watching him, too biased

He's less objective and balanced than FOX, sadly.

by steveinohio 2008-03-07 08:40AM | 0 recs
Olberman is the best commentator on TV

You all are wack.  Hillary is a corporate shill, Monsanto, Goldman Sacs - She has not delivered on anything she has said other than getting us into a war.  She failed on healthcare.  She talks a good enough line to get you all to believe her - I am not fooled.

by Moonwood 2008-03-07 11:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Olberman is the best commentator on TV

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editor blog/034

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 12:28PM | 0 recs
Re: I quit watching him, too biased

Rush and Ann are supporting HRC against BHO.  So, I'm sure you prefer them over KO.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 12:30PM | 0 recs
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It doesn't take much for Obamabots to twist the Truth.
Look at their diary titles - "Hillary will vote for McCain", etc.
by annefrank 2008-03-07 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann?

If one is a Clinton supporter, the Olbermann campaign on behalf of Obama, which mirrors that of the larger MSM, comes as no surprise.

Of all people, no less than Bill O'Reilly correctly pointed out that a turning point in the campaign, exposing the press and punditry for all their pro-Obama bias, resulted from the recent series of "Saturday Night Live" sketches, parodying the Obama love fest.

"Saturday Night Live," from its inception in 1975, which in 1976 found Chevy Chase rendering Gerald Ford in prat-falls of clumsiness, through the recent 2000 and 2004 campaigns in which GWB was viewed as idiotic but Gore and Kerry as elitist and aloof, has in fact actually made the difference in which candidate ultimately prevails.

Forever hereafter, Obama will be viewed as the coddled love child of the American media, woefully lacking in substance and ridiculously vaulted above his freshman senator status.

After seven years plus of having the "village idiot" at the helm of the Executive Office, the prospect of Obama being there, through SNL's brilliant satire, makes the United States look even more pathetic to the rest of the world.

Which is why cooler minds will ultimately prevail in the Democratic Party, and Hillary Clinton, the real winner of real blue-state primaries, rather than Barack Obama, the winner of Red State caucuses and fringe state primaries, will represent the Democratic Party come fall.

Anyone who lives in Ohio and still also thinks in political reality knows that Obama is a gone-er here in the general election, inasmuch as he lost 83 of 88 counties last Tuesday.

With Ohio gone (forget any current polls with GE match-ups for November--hard reality tells one that Ohio will not vote for someone who has lost 83 of its 88 counties in the primary!), Obama will be lucky to do well even in blue states.

Obama guarantees a McCain landslide.

Hillary Clinton, very strong in blue states and the genuine bell-weather Ohio, is the only chance the Democrats have at all.

by lambros 2008-03-08 06:57AM | 0 recs
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I am of same sediment on what was said by Olbermann as you are. It may be that MSNBC put him up to that, given their track record in presidential elections.
And let's not forget Chris Matthews in this lambasting as well, since we know where he stands with Hillary and his love affair with Obama "His words send a thrill up my leg." The two of them do the election returns for that network, so that says  a great deal about them. I use to enjoy listening to Olbermann as he was non-biased in his reporting, but that has all changed in the wake of what is happening in the Democratic race.  
by steve468 2008-03-07 05:21AM | 0 recs
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Does it ever occur to the Hillary supporters that everyone else is right and they are wrong? Now your bashing Olbermann and trying to explain his motives instead of just admitting the truth that Hillary has gone off the deep end in her campaign for relevance.

by Erik 2008-03-07 07:08AM | 0 recs
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No.

by georgiast 2008-03-07 09:32AM | 0 recs
"Sediment"

Funny.

by ATL Dem 2008-03-07 09:15AM | 0 recs
Would this be called "muddy thinking"?

steve468 on Fri Mar 07, 2008 at 08:21:28 AM MST wrote:  I am of same sediment on what was said by Olbermann as you are.

by tokin librul 2008-03-07 11:35AM | 0 recs
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Um, he played video of her making the comments, not on March 1st, but yesterday.  He wasn't relying on a twisting of words.

Jeez

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 05:23AM | 0 recs
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That is true, although he does understand the context of those words but chose not to give the context (and I say this as someone who wishes she would stop saying things that could be construed as positive about McCain).

Did Olbermann go similarly crazy on Obama when he was flogging the notion that the Republicans were the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years or when he said something that could be construed as positive about Reagan (about him being transcendent)?   I'm asking that seriously, I don't know.

by dcg2 2008-03-07 05:36AM | 0 recs
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No, he defended Obama's statements.

(Note: I agree with you completely.  I'm not at all happy with her recent remarks, which can be construed as favorable to McCain.  But it is possible to criticize her without going overboard, as KeithO has done.  Awful stuff.)

by mgee 2008-03-07 06:11AM | 0 recs
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How is this even comparable?  How is discussing the fact that Reagan was a transcendent figure in American politics (a true statement) even in the same league as praising McCain at the expense of Obama in the here and now?

by hekebolos 2008-03-07 07:18AM | 0 recs
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It was viewed as praising Reagan at the expense of Bill Clinton by majority of Democrats. So it is similar.

Though as a sane Hillary supporter, I would urge that she stops praising McCain.

by Sandeep 2008-03-07 07:33AM | 0 recs
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Me too.

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:08AM | 0 recs
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A majority of Democrats?  Well, only those confused about the irreversible linear nature of time.  Now, I was troubled by Obama's lauding The Gipper because I remember the real Reagan.  But the two cases are quite dissimilar

*Both Reagan and Clinton were out of office while McCain is on the ballot this November.

*Obama did not say Reagan was better than Clinton on policy but only that he left a more significant and lasting impact on America.  That's true.

*McCain is not qualified to be commander in chief.  Why is Senator Clinton suggesting he is?

Not similar in the slightest except that both utterances included English words.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-07 09:12AM | 0 recs
I disagree with you on every point
Reagan has more more significant impact than Clinton?
Reagan was too senile to know what planet he was on.  Whoever was running things didn't do a very good job.
Clinton worked brutally hard, and showed us that this could be a country with a prosperous middle class, and some of us would like to get back to that state.  it was rather nice.
by earthoat 2008-03-07 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I disagree with you on every point

Yes we apparently disagree because I stand by my statement that Reagan had a far greater impact on the country than did Bill Clinton.  Not a positive impact, mind you, but a far greater and lasting impact.  And it is not even close as any student of history would appreciate.  By "Reagan" I mean his administration not that he alone made all the changes

Reagan's administration initiated the deregulatory turn.  He initiated the Carter defense buildup.  He rammed through budget busting tax cuts that in their day were comparable to Bush's.  He waged proxy wars in dozens of countries across the globe.  He initiated Star Wars.  He turned the EPA into a wholly owned corporate subsidiary.  

Reagan consolidated the elite turn away form the New Deal and when elected all Clinton attempted was to nibble at the margins of Reagan's legacy.  Reagan's administration created in the minds of a pliant mainstream media this notion that America is fundamentally a center-right nation.  It's not true, but it his legacy.

Bill Clinton did work brutally hard and that is to his credit, but he did nothing remotely as significant in terms of lasting impact on this country.  Now this is not all his fault, but it is a fact.

Also, Clinton did not create a prosperous nation, as I have noted in other comments.

Income growth for the poor under Clinton - and for most other income quintiles - was negative or flat for most of his administration.

Inflation-adjusted income growth rates for the bottom 20% is non-existent before, during, and after the Clinton administration.  The `Clinton boom' did not a damn thing for people at the bottom, overall, as measured by income growth.  So when supporters of the Clinton years talk about the great era of prosperity, they are talking about themselves or some group other than the poor.  The `Clinton boom' did not even do all that much for the top 20% overall, with at best modest rates of income growth gain during the Clinton years.  The top 1%, by contrast, enjoyed a more rapid rate of income growth gain than before or after the Clinton presidency.

(All this is revealed, among other places, in the chart in Roger Lowenstein, "The Inequality Conundrum", NYT, 10 June 2007 -love how this is framed as a `conundrum'; it's really all just a big riddle, dontchaknow)
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/magazi ne/10wwln-lede-t.html?ex=1186632000& en=d750f6934ea65438&ei=5070

And this was not an accident, it was the predictable outcome of policy priorities.

Clinton on inauguration: "We're Eisenhower Republicans here":

But Clinton's economic program changed drastically even during the two-month interregnum between his November election and his inauguration in January 1993, as Bob Woodward of the Washington Post documented in compelling detail in his first Washington insider book on economic policy, The Agenda. As reported by Woodward, Clinton himself acknowledged only weeks after winning the election that "We're Eisenhower Republicans here.  We stand for lower deficits, free trade, and the bond market. Isn't that great?" Clinton further conceded during this same time period that with his new policy focus "we help the bond market and we hurt the people who voted us in".

The central point is that, as we have seen, wage gains for average workers during the Clinton boom remained historically weak, especially in relationship to the ascent of productivity (see Figure 2.1 and Table 2.7). These facts provide the basis for the poll findings reported in Business Week at the end of 1999 that substantial majorities of US citizens expressed acute dissatisfaction with various features of their economic situation. For example, 51 percent of American workers interviewed by the magazine declared that they 'felt cheated by their employer'. When asked their view of what Business Week termed the 'current productivity boom', 63 percent said that the boom has not raised their earnings, and 62 percent that it had not improved their job security. Such negative popular reactions are striking, given the persistent portrayal by the media of the Clinton economy as a time of unparalleled prosperity.

Robert Pollin, "Clintonomics: A Reappraisal" CounterPunch, 18-19 October 2003
http://www.counterpunch.org/pollin101820 03.html

Clinton: "We help the bond market and hurt the people who voted us in":

The basic message of The Roaring Nineties is straightforward: From day one, the Clinton administration's economic agenda was set by Wall Street, primarily through its main spokespersons, Federal Reserve Chair Alan Greenspan and Robert Rubin, whom Clinton selected from his position as co-chair of the elite Wall Street firm Goldman Sachs to become his most influential economic advisor and, eventually, treasury secretary. As Stiglitz states repeatedly, Clinton was elected to office on a platform of "Putting People First" and "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs." But the actual Wall Street agenda became clear immediately. It was deficit reduction, low inflation, and deregulation. Stiglitz argues that this program was responsible for the stock market bubble and bust and the assorted accounting scandals.

It is not news that Wall Street's priorities became dominant during the Clinton presidency. This perspective was first presented as early as 1993, in Bob Woodward's Washington insider book, The Agenda, which reports on the economic policy debates within the just forming Clinton administration in the interregnum between Clinton's November 1992 election and his January 1993 inauguration. At one point in The Agenda, Woodward even quotes Clinton himself as saying, "We help the bond market and hurt the people who voted us in"--in other words, the president-elect of the United States, before he ever set foot in office for a single day, was already ceding control over his own administration's basic policy direction. But to hear this story from Joseph Stigliz is very different than hearing it from Bob Woodward, since Stiglitz is writing after having been a senior member of the Clinton economic team and, of course, with the depth and authority of a Nobel laureate in economics.

The stakes are extremely high as to which perspective on Clintonomics prevails--something like the Stiglitz story or the Rubin viewpoint. Is there any possibility for the Democratic Party under John Kerry to move beyond a Wall Street-dominated economic program? Can they get serious about the country's deepening problems of jobs, inequality, and financial market excess--the issues that always come to the fore as rhetorical fodder during election campaigns, only to be shunted aside once the Democrats actually win office? Acknowledging the Stiglitz story would push the Democrats to take their own rhetoric seriously, while the Rubin position would let them off the hook yet again.
    ...
Meanwhile, even by the end of Clinton's term of office, wages for the average worker remained 10 percent below where they were when Nixon stepped down in 1973, while the long-term trend of widening inequality grew more severe.

Robert Pollin, Challenge, July-August 2004

According the above analysis, recitation of the Clinton boom myth has real political consequences that are not in the progressive direction.

Finally, the GNP and productivity booms of the Clinton era was primarily a function of the weak bargaining position of labor, an outcome directly worsened by Clinton policies:

"Both the average wages for non-supervisory workers and the earnings of those in the lowest 10 percent of wage earners," notes Robert Pollin, "not only remained well below those of the Nixon/Ford and Carter administrations, but were actually lower than that even than those of the Reagan/Bush years. Moreover, wage inequality -- as measured by the ratio of the 90th to the 10th wage decile -- increased sharply during Clinton's tenure in office, even relative to the Republican heyday of the 1980s". To make matters worse, the percentage of Americans living at or below the poverty level during the Clinton administration (13.2) was only minimally smaller than the corresponding statistic for the Reagan/Bush era (14.1). The circumstances of the officially "poor" population actually worsened under Clinton. This partly reflected the Clinton administration's neoliberal slashing of federal family cash assistance for jobless single mothers and its related reliance on the capitalist labor market to improve the conditions of society's most vulnerable.

As Pollin shows, following the testimony of Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, the leading explanation for the exceptionally low level of wage growth that occurred even amidst a tightening labor market during the 1990s was the reluctance of workers to demand higher incomes. This reluctance emerged from the weakness of labor's bargaining power in an increasingly global economy where employers widely and quite credibly threaten to close their shops and relocate if workers voted to unionize. It also emerged from the neoliberal pro-corporate-globalization stance of the Clinton administration, which did virtually nothing to enhance workers' bargaining power vis-à-vis business, thereby making it certain that the "traumatized [American] worker" (as Greenspan described American working people to Congress in 1997) would accept historically minor wage increases during the 1990s boom."

Paul Street, "`We Had a Different Policy': Clinton Was No Champion of the poor", 30 September 2005
http://blogs.zmag.org/ee_links/we_had_a_ different_policy_clinton_was_no_champion _of_the_poor

Clinton was far better than GHWB but the mythologizing and genuflecting are disturbing.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-07 02:18PM | 0 recs
So I just imagined we were making a

good living when Clinton was president.  Thanks for cluing me in.

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:53AM | 0 recs
Tyranny of the anecdote

Personal experience does not make for national data.

Dispute the data or recognize that you are speaking perhaps of your experiences and those you knew.

I am not denying that you did do well under Clinton.  Glad you did, truly.  Most did not, according to the best available data which you to this point have not even attempted to challenge.

According to the accounts of a top Clinton economic advisor who is also a Nobel Laureate, President Clinton's own opinion was that his economic policies were going to benefit Wall Street while hurting many of those who voted for him.

Sometimes the truth is not pretty and is not what we wish it to be.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-08 09:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Two things:

1) You ignored half of my claim -- the part about him saying that the Republican party of ideas was the party for the last 10-15 years.  That was praising John McCain, Newt Gingrich, George Bush and the rest at the expense of Hillary for the last 10-15 years.  I know what he meant, and it was no more "endorsement" of those ideas than Hillary endorsed McCain.

2) On the Reagan thing, it was meant to diminish Bill's legacy.  And allowing Republicans to control history like that is an affront to the progressive movement.

I think they should both stop praising Republicans.  Now.  But to suggest a difference between praising "the Republican party of the last 10-15 years" vs. their current nominee is really just quibbling around the edges.

Can you at least join me in saying that both were wrong?
 

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:11AM | 0 recs
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First of all the word used was "transformative". Secondly no one with a third grade education could misinterpret the meaning of the word.  Like it or not, Reagan was transformative.

"Ronald Reagan was a transformative political figure because he was able to get Democrats to vote against their economic interests to form a majority to push through their agenda - an agenda that I objected to."

The only way to construe the above statement as being positive, would be to stop reading or listening.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-07 07:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

OK, wrong word.  Sorry.

But how do you explain away "the party of ideas" for the last 10-15 years crap?

Neither candidate should be offering ANYTHING that can be construed as praise for the dark side.

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:13AM | 0 recs
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Since when were "ideas" positive.  Saddam had ideas, Hitler had ideas, Idi Amin had ideas.  Ideas by themselves are neither positive nor negative.  it is all about the context and Obama made it quite clear, they were ideas he did not support.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-07 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Saddam, HItler and Idi Amin had experience too.  So by your logic, since when is experience a positive?

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:48AM | 0 recs
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It's not.  Not by itself.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-07 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Right.  So all these people saying she praised McCain by saying he has experience are as wrong as those saying Obama praised Republicans by saying they were the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years, right?

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Nice try but it wasn't the same. She clearly presented it as a threshold question of qualification for the job.

by brimur 2008-03-07 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Saddam, Hilter and Idi Amin

I can't believe you actually wrote this garbage comment.

by dantes 2008-03-07 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Saddam, Hilter and Idi Amin

and at what point has obama united us through hate?

last i looked he was doing it through hope, kinda a big difference.

Statements like that make you look like a complete idiot.

by nick in pa 2008-03-07 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

When Hillary says that she and McCain have "reached the thresh hold" for CnC but Obama hasn't, there is no fuzziness about her meaning.

by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

From the book Shock Doctrine (Naomi Klein) when people are unhappy about what is happening they will grab on to whatever ideas are available that propose to fix things.  The republicans have been the ones to provide the ideas(plans)...none of their plans were any good but the Dems did not provide alternatives.

That's what Obama is saying.  We Dems need to be the ones providing fresh new ideas(plans) for people to grab.  People like our plans better and they actually work.  

I think Clinton supporters should stop trying to bash Obama for saying positive things about Democrats.  

by GFORD 2008-03-07 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

We had tons of ideas.  It was a cheap shot by Obama to denigrate the Clinton years as devoid of ideas.

(Hillary's was a cheap shot, too)

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

According to Klein, it was the neo-cons getting their ideas out there.  We were steadily losing to the consevatives during the Clinton years - the neo-cons were framing the narrative with their (sick) ideas and it was working for them.

by GFORD 2008-03-07 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Well, if Naomi Klein says it, it must be true :)

I find the notion that Republicans were the party of ideas to be a narrative advanced by the noise machine to validate their own machinations and invalidate the Democratic party.

But in the last 10-15 years, let's look at some of the ideas that Democrats advanced -- SCHIP, Family and Medical Leave, net neutrality, increasing the minimum wage, cracking down on predatory lenders and fraudulent Enron-style accounting.  I could list a lot more.  

Republican ideas included repealing social security and Medicare, politicizing everything about government, cutting taxes for the wealthy, invalidating scientific reports.  Really  nothing new at all.  So I guess they have had ideas, but they've all been old ones.

I'd argue that Republicans have been the party of packaging,  not the party of ideas.  But if Naomi Klien says I'm wrong, I must be:)

by dcg2 2008-03-07 09:04AM | 0 recs
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You make a valid point about packaging.  In fact, I concede the point that if we had packaged our ideas better the public's perception of liberals would have been better.

Would love to see the end of that stupid 'Tax and Spend' slogan the conservatives have used against us successfully for so frigging long while they raided the treasury over and over.

by GFORD 2008-03-07 09:53AM | 0 recs
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The Clinton years were full of ideas and a very large share of them were bad ideas.

Welfare reform, health care reform only HMOs could love, Omnibus Crime Bill, daily bombing of Iraq, and so on.  Basically on every important international question Bill Clinton was...sub-optimal (see my article: "Clinton: New Era, Same Old National Security, Covert Action Quarterly, Spring 1993).  It is quite clear that at least as far as foreign policy goes, the Clinton administration wished to continue long-standing policies with an appended smiley-face.

His first Secretary of Defense was Les Aspin, the single most militaristic and GOPer-like Democrat in Congress at that time and followed that up with a real, live GOPer in Sec. Cohen.  He was far more fervently biased toward Israel than GHWB.  Somalia was a farce.  He waited until the killing was largely over in Bosnia before sending in US troops to help cement regional US security objectives.  He continued work on Star Wars.  He failed to push for a real peace dividend.  I could go on and on but I do not wish to be too unseemly in my criticism of a fellow Democrat.

Better than the ideas of GHWB and Dole?  Sure.  Good ideas?  Not so much.

Just because he was our last Democratic President does not mean Clinton walked on water.  Indeed, I would defend the proposition that he was the worst Democratic President of the 20th century, hands down, even adjusting for differences in political environments.  A major reason is that a large share of his ideas, as a co-founder of the DLC and card-carrying member of the conservative wing of the party, strongly resonated with GOPer ideas.  Ergo, the GOPers were the party of (bad) ideas, including some taken up by the last Democratic President.

by Trond Jacobsen 2008-03-07 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Remember the Contract for (on) America.  Those were the kinds of Republican ideas that happened while WJC was triangulating (aka giving in to Newt.)

BHO never said they were good ideas.  But, he is correct: Newt and the Repubs where pushing the agenda.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

I agree.  But by that logic, Hillary never said McCain's experience was good. Just that he had it.

See why they are the same thing (and in both cases, the opponent twisted them out of context)?

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

You would be right, except that BHO said he didn't agree with the ideas when he made the original statement.

The point of HRC's comment wasn't to be critical of McCain, she was cheer leading for him--that's a fact, not a twisting of the context.

And, her comments are setting up McCain to go after her as much as BHO.  The Clinton presidency, as whole, wasn't a foriegn policy success.  The 9-11 report says that Bin Ladin's 9-11 attacks were inspired by the Clinton administration's foriegn policy failures.  And, contrary to the hype, HRC wasn't making foriegn policy decisions.  Her only moment of judgment was when she did nothing as Mrs. Arafat went on a rant.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

It was an odd thing for her to say though.  What experience does she have as Commander in Chief?  She had no security clearance as First Lady so it can't be that.  I guess the fact that McCain was in the service gives him a smidgeon of experience but it would be much better if he was a General.

by GFORD 2008-03-07 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

spin, spin, spin... give me a break.

She said that she and McCain had passed the threshold of experience required to be the president.

That can only be taken as positive for McCain.

by chinapaulo 2008-03-07 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

By the way, if you think triangulating means giving in to Newt, than you don't even possess a rudimentary understanding of politics.

First, Clinton rebounded by NOT caving into Newt.  When Bill blocked the Contract on America, he ensured his own re-election (and his impeachment).

But more importantly, triangulation means playing yourself against two two sides.  He was positioning himself as distinct from the Democratic congress (that sold him out on health care, the stimulus, the attempt to let gays serve in the military, etc.) and also as distinct from the Republicans in congress.  That's the triangle part of triangulation, that he is not tied to either of those two pillars.

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

You are delusional, the Contract dominated the rest of Clinton's tenure.

Here's a sample:

http://www.buzzflash.com/articles/editor blog/034

Sorry to burst your bubble.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

well if some guy on buzzflash said it, it must be true!

by dcg2 2008-03-07 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

That is what the diarist said...did you read it?

Yes, he played a video.  The video, her words were quite clear,  and NOT what his rant and claims were.  

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-07 05:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Really, then I guess you should explain them to Todd Beaton on the main page thread about the comments, he was defending the earlier remarks but even he says yesterday's crossed the line.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-07 05:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

You mean like when he talked about this front paged, about trying to distort what Hillary has been saying, when he himself acknowledge a piece of the reality world died?

by environmentally blue 2008-03-07 06:41AM | 0 recs
Who's going to serve the Koolaid now?

That Todd doesn't agree with this shit. SusanHu, Alegre, ???? You can't explain this away http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/6/18181 2/5082. Go read the comments and you'll see some real Democrats not defending her bullshit.

by Erik 2008-03-07 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

No, they were what KO said they were.

See, we can all play the empty assertion game.  It's easy!

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-07 06:36AM | 0 recs
Um aren't words aired out of context

deceptive?

by earthoat 2008-03-07 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Nope.  I'm forever done with him.

When do we get the chance to elect a new press?

by BRockNYC 2008-03-07 05:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Do you think SNL can be seen as unbiased, or will it take time and the removal of Tina Fey?

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-07 05:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Are you serious? You certainly can't be!

SNL has no obligation to be unbiased. it's called comedy, parody, snark...SPOOFING. Jeebus...what is wrong with you people? I notice none of you is screaming for Jon Stewart to be 'unbiased'!!

keith is a journalist, or is supposed to be. By their very definition they are supposed to be unbiased. They are supposed to report...not slant, twist or otherwise color the news.

by americanincanada 2008-03-07 05:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

I was being a little facetitious, but they are pretty clearly doing everything they can to swing the nom. (as an aside, can I just point out that its pretty screwed up to have Armissen doing Obama, seriously I could ignore the blackface aspect if he wasn't pretty much ripping off Darrell Hammond's Jackson impression), Also Keith isn't a journalist, I mean hello "Worst Person in the World"

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-07 06:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Tina Fey isn't even on SNL (she was guest hosting), and SNL has always spoofed poltical candidates. Were you complaining when they had Obama and made fun of all of the other candidates except him?

What's the problem with Armissen doing Obama? Who do you want to play him? They don't have a cast member who looks like him, and Armisen looks way more like him than the African American cast member they have. They had a girl playing Dennis Kucinich, are you upset about that? That's the way it works in sketch comedy. What a silly complaint.

by LakersFan 2008-03-07 09:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

KO's entire show is an editorial. Um....duh?

by LandStander 2008-03-07 02:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Olbermann and Chris Matthews used to be enjoyable, but they are so in the tank for Obama it has disgusted me. Amazingly, Tucker Carlson on MSNBC is more objective, IMHO. And, that's amazing to me.

by PracticalMagic 2008-03-08 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

He's a demagogic tool. We were all too caught up in our own Bush hate the past few years to notice. This should be an object lesson for us all.

by dr benway 2008-03-07 05:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

  Ditto
by gunner 2008-03-07 05:28AM | 0 recs
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Are you a Dittohead, now that Rush is Pro-Hillary?

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 10:06AM | 0 recs
Olbermann hurts the progressive movement with this

Olbermann always said that he was neither liberal nor conservative, just telling the truth. And that always rang true.

But here is a case of clear bias (not surprising since he is around a bunch of misogynistic Clinton haters all day like Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson).  

Here, he is actually getting involved in a Democratic primary.

Let's just say, for argument's sake, that Hillary actually said that McCain would be a better President (note:  she didn't say that). Why would that, to an objective reporter, be a bad thing?

Would it be stupid politically?  Yes.

Would it be to the detriment of her party?  Yes.

But if you aren't a Democrat, but rather a supposed neutral observer, why would it be a bad thing for one candidate to say another would make a better President than your rival for the nomination? You shouldn't.   It would be newsworthy, but not evidence of being a bad person as he implied.

But Olbermann's response gives him up as a partisan Democrat because of the perpsective from which he responded.  And that will compromise his future efforts to hold Republicans accountable, to condemn them from a position of moral authority (which is a shame, because we need Olbermann playing that role, since no one else will).  

I happen to be kind of upset that Hillary is saying things about McCain that can be construed as positive.  But I also understand the context and wouldn't criticize her without that context (as KO did) nor could any reasonable person twist her words to say that she is arguing McCain would be a better President.   Really a shame that Olbermann decided to go irresponsible on this one.

by dcg2 2008-03-07 05:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Olbermann hurts the progressive movement with

"But if you aren't a Democrat, but rather a supposed neutral observer, why would it be a bad thing for one candidate to say another would make a better President than your rival for the nomination?"

Because one set of candidates represent an improvement for the country (and obviously I disagree with you about who improves more), and the candidate of the other party would represent a decline.

by MNPundit 2008-03-07 06:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Olbermann hurts the progressive movement with

Don't misunderstand.  I totally agree with you.  McCain would be a horrible President, a million times worse than either Obama or Hillary, but if you aren't a Democrat than you wouldn't find it horrible to say that McCain would be better than one of them (which, don't forget, she didn't even say).

It's only from the perspective of someone who is openly rooting for a Democrat to win that this could be construed as a horrible comment, a perspective Olbermann has long denied.

by dcg2 2008-03-07 06:40AM | 0 recs
Olbermann really a closet right winger?

The only critic of Republicans these past 7 years and he criticizes dear Hillary and you throw him under the bus. Deranged some?

by Erik 2008-03-07 07:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Olbermann really a closet right winger?

Nice to throw names at me.

I don't care if he criticizes her.  Heck, I criticize her all the time.

What I don't like is him launching his commentary from the perspective of a Democrat rather than a journalist (because we need him viewed as the latter), and I don't like the double standard (like not launching the same attack on Obama when he said that Republicans were the party of ideas for the last 10-15 years).

by dcg2 2008-03-07 08:16AM | 0 recs
Olbermann

Perhaps you haven't noticed but Keith uses hyperbole to make his points.  He gives air time to what makes a lot of us angry, something the kiss-ass MSM has not done much of lately.

A whole lot of people were angry about Clinton comparing Obama unfavorably to McCain. I'm still seething about it.  Nobody called her on it since Hillary has struck fear into them by whining that she gets more negative press.  Keith doesn't scare easily.  

by GFORD 2008-03-07 08:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Olbermann hurts ...

A hillary quote:  "I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he'd bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002"

**Please explain how this is NOT an endorsement of McÇain and a slam against the democratic frontrunner?

by greylox 2008-03-08 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann rocks! Beware of the astroturf

Keith Olbermann has done more to expose the corruption and incompetence of the Bush Administration than anyone on TV.

Anyone who criticizes Keith Olberman on a progressive blog like this one is what you call an "astroturfer" -- someone pretending to be a grassroots member of the community, but isn't.

Who specializes in "astroturfing"? Mark Penn, Hillary Clinton's top strategist.

[Burson-Marsteller, Penn's company] pioneered the use of pseudo-grassroots front groups, known as "astroturfing," to wage stealth corporate attacks against environmental and consumer organizations.

So when you see comments like this one on a progressive blog, take it with a grain of salt. It's the astroturfers talking.

by CaptCT 2008-03-07 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann rocks! Beware of the astroturf

Hold on now, there is more to being a progressive than blogging on dkos.  He did (and will continue to) stand up to Bush and expose his corruption.  

But, he HAS become an Obama cheerleader.  If you believe that Obama is a progressive candidate -you are wrong.  There are no more progressives left running for president.  

by jelyfish 2008-03-07 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann rocks! Beware of the astroturf

Obama NOT a progressive?

  • Obama has been against the Iraq War from the start.
  • Obama is FOR campaign finance reform, and helped pass an ethics reform bill.
  • Obama is FOR NAFTA reform, despite the lies told by Hillary Clinton, who has been promoting NAFTA since 1993.
  • Obama has one of the most progressive voting records in Congress.

He was called "one of the most liberal members of the Illinois Senate" or something similar, by CNN.

And yet here at MyDD, the astroturfers try to brand him as a right-winger.

Wake up. Stop believing the lies.

by CaptCT 2008-03-08 11:07AM | 0 recs
Basically you don't like what he's saying

That's what I get from this, the clip in question was condemned even here on the Frontpage by Todd, who I don't think anyone would say is in the tank for Obama, it was a stupid quote. Oh, and both Hillary and Bill campaign for short ride Joe in the primary as well-- notice who Lamont endorsed.  

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-07 05:40AM | 0 recs
Hill in the White House

You know she'd have a lot more credibility on these supposed differences from Bill, if she'd authorize the release of her White House Minutes and Phone Logs.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-07 05:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

I've been done with Olberman for a couple of weeks now.  He's really in the tank for Obama, and being extremely smug about it.

by Dave B 2008-03-07 05:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Totally agree.  I gave up on him about the same time.  Won't go back.

by Pat J 2008-03-07 02:25PM | 0 recs
Whatever

While Hillary's comments were clearly over the top (will she endorse McCain if Obama gets the nomination), I think it's interesting that the diarist is, like Hillary, whining when she gets attacked.  

So much for being the candidate who is best able to stand up to attacks from the Republicans.

by rayspace 2008-03-07 06:10AM | 0 recs
Loved his remarks

He's often insufferable, but was right on target this time.  Shame on Hillary for teaming up with John McCain to attack a fellow Democrat.  Many of us were wondering when the media would pick up on this story.  Down with Joe Liebermanism!

by Bargeron 2008-03-07 06:14AM | 0 recs
Is this a Serious Diary?

Olbermann is not the one who said John McCain meets the standard for being commander in chief, implying she'd rather have him as presiden than Obama.

Olbermann is not the one who lies about his experience.

Olbermann is not the one who ran an advertisement where he blackened Senator Obama's face.

Olbermann is not the one who wouldn't give a flat-out denial to Obama's being a muslim on 60 Minutes.

Olbermann is not the one who did indeed go to the Canadian government and tell them to not listen to his rhetoric on NAFTA.

You're asking if the wrong person can repair his/her reputation. Hillary has a lot to answer to for this disgraceful campaign she is running.

by DoubleDs 2008-03-07 06:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Is this a Serious Diary?

Really?  We're still going with these Obama campaign  lies? Even after they've all been crushed?  Please - respect us a little more and at least argue with facts - I beg you.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-07 07:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Is this a Serious Diary?

Thanks for naming the "facts" that have "crushed" what has been posited here.

by amiches 2008-03-07 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Is this a Serious Diary?

Don't forget KO didn't invent and plant the fake madrassa story.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Is this a Serious Diary?

Well, I'll take a shot at one of those. Olbermann is in for one hell of a retraction, unless of course he hides behind his hyperbole BS.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/s tory/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNSto ry/National/home

by mutatio 2008-03-07 11:13PM | 0 recs
Not with me he can't.

 I've thought his campaign coverage was atrocious. Instead of serving as the voice of reason and fairness to counteract the blatant bias of Chris Mathews, he has instead tried to become more like him. I tuned in to Countdown last night for the first time in weeks. I didn't like what I saw. Keith Olberman slamming a Democratic candidate with a look of malicious glee on his face, and Richard Wolfe chiming in with a George Bush smirk. KO has always been a bit too smug and self-centered for my taste, but I watched him because of his scathing critique of the Bush administration. No more. I will get my news from Fox before I watch MSNBC again.

by georgiapeach 2008-03-07 06:23AM | 0 recs
You cannot be serious

The content of Olberman's piece was to slam Hillary for attacking a fellow Democrat.  She is the one who has made three statements now suggesting that McCain is a better choice on national security than Obama.  

Hillary Clinton said from the outset that she was "in it to win it"

What a sorry reason for a candidacy!

She'll stoop to anything.

by Bargeron 2008-03-07 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: You cannot be serious

Yeah, but that doesn't count because Hillary's comments were pro-Hillary/anti-Obama. Obama is a misogynist pig, and anybody that finds Hillary's remarks a bit too much should get the hell out. Oh, and if Obama is the Dem nominee... Vote McCain!!

<snark>

by dantes 2008-03-07 07:09AM | 0 recs
Re: You cannot be serious

Ok - I've seen this slung around a bit on MyDD - what makes some of the Hillary supporters think Obama is a misogynist?

by LandStander 2008-03-07 02:10PM | 0 recs
Why, didn't you know?
Anyone who doesn't kiss Pope Hillary's ring is automatically a misogynist.

No, it doesn't matter what the word means...
by Carolina Liberal 2008-03-07 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Clinton is using smart politics, one any candidate would easily use to defeat the other one, or make them look unelectable in the eyes of the voters and in the case of the Democrats, in the eyes of the Super Delegates. MSNBC has been in the tank with Obama since the race began, and then jumped on his bandwagon and created a crusade to destroy Hillary ever since. You just have to laugh at their antics since all their lambasting of the Clintons is not working to their benefit as they had hoped it would.

by steve468 2008-03-07 06:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Smart politics that is irreparably damaging the party...

No one seems to be concerned about that on this site...  that worries me...

Hillary is supposed to be a Democrat first, a candidate second... I think she's forgotten this important distinction, as well as her supporters..

That seriously concerns me...  It's not all about her, and if she were to get into office, will her neglect of the party's needs lead to another Republican Revolution a few years down the road?

by LordMike 2008-03-07 07:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Smart Politics?

How is suggesting that 8 years as first lady = McCains record...

Hanoi Hilton anyone?

She's not just destroying the party, shes destroying herself

by Wiz in Wis 2008-03-07 07:34AM | 0 recs
Re:

The boys at MSNBC are on record with their hatred of Hillary Clinton.

David Shuster, Chris Matthews, Keith Olberman etc none of them can stand the thought of a woman in charge, all have made continued sexist comments and none should be viewed as "journalists"

by rossinatl 2008-03-07 06:34AM | 0 recs
Re:

Okay, I'm getting really tired of the Vast Y Chromosome Conspiracy.

Some people hate women.
Some people would prefer Obama be president over Hillary Clinton.
Hillary Clinton is a woman.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN all people who support Obama hate women. The Greeks were pretty clear on this.

Here's another example:

Hillary Clinton is a woman.
Hillary Clinton is mathmatically incapable of capturing the Democratic nomination, as proven by basic understanding of addition.
There was a Simpson's episode about women not being as good at math as men, with hilariously wacky results since such comments are untrue.

THIS DOES NOT MEAN that Hillary is hilarious. She is wacky though.

Racists.

by Lettuce 2008-03-07 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re:

That was a fun comment to read.

by LandStander 2008-03-07 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: MSNBC FratHouseBoyz At It Again?

You know what's going on. Shuster, Scarborough, Matthews and Olbermann were pissed off that Matthews had to apologize for his comment about Hillary Clinton the morning after she won New Hampshire. The next day, Shuster and Scarborough came right out and said he shouldn't have to apologize. Shuster felt compelled to go into a speech about how wonderful Matthews is to work with. Then Shuster made his comment about Rep. Maxine Waters' endorsement of Sen. Clinton being "desperate" and then he made the incomprehensible comment about Sen. Clinton "pimping out" her daughter Chelsea, who was doing what many candidate's children do: Campaign for their parents.

It was inexcusable; Shuster slipped because he was so angry about the Matthews apology--which would never have happened without MSNBC brass demanding Matthews apologize. Of course, like any adolescent male forced to be accountable for your actions, Shuster was suspended. Only that just made him angrier, and more determined to smear Clinton to GET BACK AT HER.

Instead of taking responsibility for their actions, the FratHouseBoyz [Russert, Matthews, Shuster, Carlson, Scarborough] at MSNBC choose to direct their anger at the target of their original loathing, Sen. Clinton.

We then were treated to the disgusting spectacle at the last MSNBC debate--Russert and Williams in typical Frat House Boyz style, sticking it to Clinton.

Shuster is now back from his suspension. His first day back at Morning Joe, he directs viewers attention to Whitewater [!] in a smarmy, conspiratorial tone, saying that there were still "questions." Well. $73 Million dollars and a dozen years later, including a final report which exonerated them, Shuster is still trying to dredge up hints of scandal.

Anything to smear Hillary Clinton. Anything.

And, now, Keith is seeing how far he can push the envelope, stretch the truth, and engage in BILLO hyperbole.

I don't watch Olbermann anymore. His schtick is low-brow, FOX-STYLE, propaganda.

Edward R. Murrow? Fuggedaboudit. Keith Olbermann is BILLO on another channel; Olbie is nothing but a demogogue in service to his leader of the lost boys, Chris Matthews.

But make no mistake. This is being allowed to continue by MSNBC brass. So, you can thank Dan Abrams, since he is the FratHouseBoyz boss in management.

by Tennessean 2008-03-07 06:37AM | 0 recs
Media Brats

It's time for an overhaul at MSNBC.  To many insiders.  Like Elliot Ness had to keep bringing in fresh jurors, because they longer they hung around, the more corrupt they became.

by earthoat 2008-03-07 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: MSNBC FratHouseBoyz At It Again?

If Hillary manages to get the nomination it will only go to show that her guts and determination have won the day.  Standing up to the ridicule, slander, misinformation spewed by this group of idiots is just reinforcement in that she can go toe to toe with anybody.  She never wavered even when they kept insisting she hang it up "for the sake of the party".  I think her message is beginning to resonate and people are taking a closer look.  My one concern is that Obama will not be able to overcome McCain because those white males are now voting against Hillary but will not come out for a black man in the general.  It will be close, but she can certainly overcome a totally vapid, lying candidate like McCain.

by Pat J 2008-03-07 02:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Instead of whining and playing victim perhaps you should acknowledge just how stupid Senator Clinton's remarks have been and how damaging they will be to our general election hopes with Senator Obama as our nominee.

by WellstoneDem 2008-03-07 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Clinton tried a fair fight, and was losing. So she started lying and smearing her opponent. And whining about being the victim of media bias. And she can't admit a mistake.

Sound like any other politicians we know?

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 07:36AM | 0 recs
exactly what lie?

Name one.  with links.

by earthoat 2008-03-07 07:43AM | 0 recs
by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 07:49AM | 0 recs
Um, I meant CREDIBLE links

by earthoat 2008-03-07 08:04AM | 0 recs
uh huh

the whole world is lying, except Hillary Clinton and Susanhu.

There's the path to victory over McCain!

Or not.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: exactly what lie?
There is no proof that Hillary's team contacted the Canadians - no names, no times, no meetings. And then there is this:
http://forums.macleans.ca/advansis/?mod= for&act=dis&eid=21
by georgiast 2008-03-07 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

It's a pivot.

They can't yet hate Obama, but they can already work on the other Democratic possibility.

We all know that a Democrat will win the White House this year.  In order for MSNBC to remain profitable, and for KO to be relevant, they have to be "critical", and what better target than another Clinton.

Especially when Obama fanatics don't seem too eager to come together and support Hillary if she becomes nominee.

There's your natural audience.

Big Media is a BUSINESS first and foremost.  Let's remember that.

by Sieglinde 2008-03-07 06:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Polls show Obama supporters are more approving of Hillary than vice versa.

Does that mean Hillary is a better candidate? Or that her supporters are worse Democrats.

Spin spin!

by Lettuce 2008-03-07 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Dear Keith

Dear Keith,
By force of habit, at midnight last night while I was scrolling through MYDD posts, I turned on MSNBC.  I hadn't seen any cable news yet and wanted to catch up.  And before this year, I was so starved for commentary critical of Bush, I was pretty loyal to you.    

As I listened to you yet again turn innuendo, distortion and just plain lies into news,  as I listened to the fratboy vitriol against Clinton in your voice, as I watched your sneery face, I reached over and shut the TV off.  As soon as I had done it, I realized the gesture had a ring of finality.  In the quiet room, I felt an enormous relief to have you out of my life.

Yours truly,
an ex

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-07 07:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Are you sure that people outside the bubble of myDD actually think Keith did anything wrong? I don't.

   
"We do not have a direct quote indicating her campaign told us she thought it was good for the economy at that time."-Newsday

"You know, in the years after her husband signed NAFTA, Senator Clinton would go around talking about how great it was and how many benefits it would bring."-Obama Obama mailer: Hillary Clinton believed NAFTA was a "boon" to our economy


    "Obama's use of the citation in this way does strike us as misleading. The quote marks make it look as if Hillary said "boon," not us. It's an example of the kind of slim reeds campaigns use to try to win an office".-Newsday

No problem, Newsday, I got your back:

Hillary's 2002 DLC Speech:

We all know the record of the DLC, the Progressive Policy Institute and, of course, the Clinton-Gore Administration. The economic recovery plan stands first and foremost as a testament to both good ideas and political courage. National service. The Brady Bill. Family Leave. NAFTA. Investment in science and technology. New markets. Charter schools. The Earned Income Tax Credit. The welfare to work partnership. The COPS program. The SAFER program. All of these came out of some very fundamental ideas about what would work. The results speak for themselves. Those ideas were converted into policies programs that literally changed millions of lives and, I argue, changed America.

Seriously, I'm going to have to bind a hotkey for pasting that if people keep trying to deny that Hillary supported NAFTA.

There are plenty more, although I think that's the best. How about:

"I think everybody is in favor of free and fair trade. I think NAFTA is proving its worth," she said, adding that if American workers can compete fairly, they can match any competition. "That's what a free and fair trade agreement like NAFTA is all about," she said.
(AP, 1996)

Changed her mind? Fine. But when she says she never supported NAFTA, it's a lie.

Senator Obama himself endorsed Joe Lieberman over Democratic Primary Challenger Ned Lamont, and gave that glowing praise at their annual Democratic Party dinner in Connecticut, in which Ned Lamont was also in attendance.

Quite possibly one of the most idiotic things ever. That said, Olbermann does a news show, and doesn't report on news from 2 years ago.(Also, both Clintons also backed Lieberman in the primary. AFAIK, none of them endorsed him in his CfL run)

Keith also brought up Obama's NAFTAgate claiming that someone from the Hillary Campaign last month also told Canada to take lightly her NAFTA position. First of all, that is also a lie. Because it was reported "that indirectly someone claiming from the Clinton campaign" (I wouldn't be surprised if Obama's people called and said "you can include Clinton's campaign on this too"), but Hillary not only denied it, (which Goolsbee from the Obama campaign could not and did not) and Hillary said she gives them blankent immunity to release the name of whomever contacted them (because they knew they did not). Video No such confirmation ever came against the Clinton Campaign, but the Canadian's DID release the memo of the Obama talks, that the AP released.

Okay, I know the Hillary supporters have their fingers plugged deep in their ears on this one and are firmly going "LALALALA" by now, but:

(1) The memo was effectively some meeting notes. They're one guy's interpretation, and a canadian investigation (where they presumably ask, you know, other people at the meeting) said that it "may have mischaracterized" Goolsbee. In policy specifics, he did not contradict Obama.

(2) The thing Olbermann is referring to is not the CTV story which said there was "also low-level contact from the Clinton campaign" which "they deny". The second source on Clinton's involvement is the Stephen Harper's Chief of Staff, who is quoted as saying that Hillary's campaign had called them and told them "not to worry" about her NAFTA rhetoric. What's good for the goose isn't good for the gander, eh? Ironically, the Canadians have declared the memo to be unreliable, but Ian Brodie has not retracted his statement.

As for "immunity" - Clinton can't give Brodie immunity from prosecution, so her immunity means nothing. He's not going to talk now - it will be a miracle if he keeps his job. This is turning into a firestorm in Canada that could actually swing Canadian elections. That's a lot of trouble to be in for a remark that's pure fantasy.

Anything to smear Hillary Clinton. Anything.

When you bash someone on NAFTA, and they get cleared, and you get implicated, you're going to take heat. When you praise the Republican as experienced, you're going to take some heat.

Shuster, on the other hand, needs to learn to shut the crap up. Touting whitewater as an issue at this late date is basically ridiculous without seriously compelling new evidence.

On the other hand, what the heck is Wolfson doing mentioning Ken Starr? Good job getting that back on everyone's mind.

by mattw 2008-03-07 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

RE: the NAFTA blowup - you proved it yourself in the comments.  The problem wasn't was discussed at the meeting, the problem was Obama stood in front of reports and DENIED IT HAPPENED (for the Hillary-haters think of Bill Clinton wagging his finger and saying "I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky).  THEN he backtracked and said the information was wrong. THEN the story changed again when there was proof of a meeting and he said the memo didn't really mean what everyone knew it meant.

Clinton has flat-out denied anything happened with the Canadians and told the Canadian government to let 'er rip with any names of anyone from the campaign who made statements like the Obama camp did.  Guess what?  No names have been produced as of yet.

For Olbermann to be pushing these lies is unconscienable.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-07 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

The problem wasn't was discussed at the meeting, the problem was Obama stood in front of reports and DENIED IT HAPPENED

Obama denied a phone call to Michael Wilson. I don't think he even connected it to an unimportant meeting Goolsbee had in Chicago until his name came up - after the 'ah ha' moment, I think they stopped denying.

If you can show my timetable is off, I'd like to see it, but I have spent a long time digging through articles trying to be sure, but it looks to me like:

(1) Story Obama official called Michael Wilson to "warn" him that Obama's NAFTA rhetoric would be just talk
(2) Denied
(3) Goolsbee named
(4) Obama denies Goolsbee said anything that contradicted public policy
(5) Memo leaked
(6) Obama camp calls memo inaccurate
(7) Canadian investigation agrees memo may be inaccurate

It's pretty tough to piece together since it happened pretty fast and even as newer events were breaking older events were circulating.

by mattw 2008-03-07 08:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Here's the memo. Read down to where it says 'unintelligable'. Sounds like it was tape recorded. Inaccurate? It doesn't sound inaccurate to me.

by georgiast 2008-03-07 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Where's here?

Obviously, the canadian investigation disagreed. But I'd like to read the whole thing - I've only seen a couple raw pages.

by mattw 2008-03-07 09:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Canadian memo

Here's the memo.
http://www.nytimes.com/images/promos/pol itics/blog/20070303canmemo.pdf

I'm astonished at the mountain of opining by people who have not read it.  May I direct your attention in particular to sentence 3 in the opening summary paragraph, all of Point 4, and the second paragraph in the summary comment.

Hard to spin if you actually read it, isn't it?

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-07 08:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Somewhere in there you could add that the memo claims Goolsbee told the Canadians that BHO wanted Nafta changed to strength environmental and labor standards, which is exactly what he said publicly.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Ok, here is my problem with this.  Obama denies any contact with the Canadians about NAFTA -Therefore it must be true.  The problem is that it was verified with a Canadian Consulate and other high officials by CTV.

Only after it would give Canada the appearance of having an influence in our presidential elections was it denied (half-heartedly and tongue in check) by CTV.

by jelyfish 2008-03-07 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation


Ok, here is my problem with this.  Obama denies any contact with the Canadians about NAFTA -Therefore it must be true.  The problem is that it was verified with a Canadian Consulate and other high officials by CTV.

Obama was presented with a specific story that CTV ran about him calling the canadian embassy to talk to michael wilson to "warn them" about his nafta rhetoric.

He denied it categorically.

I don't think it's reasonable for him to chime in at that point about a meeting an advisor had with the chicago consulate weeks before that Obama likely didn't even know about, and even less likely he knew the contents of.

After denying the CTV story, the "memo" is spectacularly damning, but the timeline suggests he didn't even connect the whole thing to the Goolsbee meeting, and so he was ignorant, not disingenuous.

Also, the memo itself was discredited.

The memo being discredit would be irrelevant if Obama was intentionally deceitful, but there's two points to this:

(1) It's consistent with the reporting to believe Obama's denials were because he was denying the CTV store, which didn't mention goolsbee initially and bore almost no resemblance to reality
(2) Given the set of facts as we understand them now, Obama had no reason to lie. There's no reason to think Goolsbee said anything bad, so a meeting between Goolsbee and the consulate would not be damning to admit to.

It's a complicated situation, but I've spent like 50 hours analyzing the media reports now, and I'm pretty convinced that Obama was on the up and up.

by mattw 2008-03-07 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

No need to repair what isn't broken.

What's funny is that a couple of months ago some people complained that he was pro-hillary. I guess the more he saw, the less he liked.

by Kobi 2008-03-07 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Rachel Maddow ever...

...you guys know Maddow was very critical of Clinton's McCain comments, right?  

Shun the heretic!  Shun the unbeliever!  Shunnnn...

by megaplayboy 2008-03-07 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Rachel Maddow ever...

Clearly she is a witch. And what do we do with witches?

by LandStander 2008-03-07 02:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Listed below are all the "Liberal" or "Progressive" media types that we owe it to our country to destroy, and to destroy now before they can perpetrate any more damage to our great nation.

Keith Olberman.................Obviously hates Hillary and loves Obama
David Schuster...................Hates Chelsea Clinton
Stephanie Miller.................Loves Obama, so must hate Hillary
Thom Hartmann.................Hard to tell, but I'll think of something
Ed Schultz.........................Hates Hillary, loves Obama, hates McCain
Rachel Maddow.................Hates Hillary's campaign, so must love Obama
Randi Rhodes....................Loves Obama, hates Hillary's campaign
Peter B Collins..................Hates Hillary's campaign, loves Obama
Mike Malloy......................Hates Hillary and Obama, loves Kucinich
Bill Press...........................Hates Hillary's campaign
Russ Belville.....................Loves Obama
Sam Seder..........................Loves Obama
John Stewart......................Makes fun of Hillary and her supporters
Stephen Colbert................well, there is a reason to be sure, I just don't know it yet.

These people MUST be stopped it is our patriotic duty to take the only handful of  liberal media types off the air immediately. their voices must be silenced.  

Jesus H. Christ!  Come on people, get with the plan.  Have I missed anyone?

Sincerely,

Jesus Hussein Christ.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-07 07:19AM | 0 recs
you might be happier on daily kos?

by earthoat 2008-03-07 07:40AM | 0 recs
Re: you might be happier on daily kos?

It's so nice to see someone whose been here exactly one day, tell me where I'd be happier.

Unlike those who limit their knowledge and prefer to stay firmly stuck in a singular dogma, I actually think it helps to garner opinion from all places and to search out facts over innuendo.

Thank you for your suggestion, but I'll continue to seek truth no matter where it leads me.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-07 07:57AM | 0 recs
I just left Daily Kos

for a reason.  And no one there complains that the diaries are all Hillary Hit diaries.  That's because if they did, they would be thrown off.  But you are still here.  Bitching and whining.  Because the level of tolerance is a lot higher in mydd.  You want it to be like Daily Kos.  You don't want to be where Hillary supporters to have a voice.  Since you don't like it here, why not go where everyone sounds exactly like you do?  You would be happier.

by earthoat 2008-03-07 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: I just left Daily Kos

Again, a person who has been here exactly one day and doesn't know me from Adam.  

Before you accuse me of

Bitching and whining.
 It might serve you better to get to know me.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-07 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Where is the list of HRC supporters in the media?

Don't forget two of the most vocal Ann and Rush.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

You hardcore anti-Obama people are doing damage to HRC by being so insulated.  KO is not being unfair.  I'm sure he would have a problem with the Samantha Power comments (she has been decried by BHO, and she is now gone.)  The more HRC pursues a me first, party second strategy, the more she is likely to be called out by KO, that is fair.  She needs to reign it in, not KO.  It isn't the Clintonatic party, it's the Democratic party.

On myDD I always see these right wing hit pieces on BHO, but you (and no progressive site, e.g. dKos) don't show what the right wing would use against HRC, e.g. the part of the 9-11 report that says Clinton foriegn policy inspired Bin Ladin to do 9-11.

You don't have a true picture of the weaknesses of HRC.  But, you are seeing (and participating in) the right wing hits on BHO.  I actually think this will inoculate BHO now rather than in Nov., so it may not be bad.

And, of course the HRC team is feeding lies to the right wing nuts:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/01/22/o bama.madrassa/

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 07:20AM | 0 recs
Who's going to serve the Koolaid now?

You are all deranged. The greatest critic of Bush. better than any politician or media type. And he gets thrown away for speaking the truth on Dear Hillary. Tell me what you think of Todd... http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/6/18181 2/5082

??????

by Erik 2008-03-07 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann is a LIAR

.
KO posted a diary on dailykos where he
wrote that he doesn't have a beef
with either Democratic candidates.

from that dairy onward it was all a bashing
show against Hillary. first with snide remarks
and innuendoes to over-the-top rant of last nite.

i am an early viewer of his show from the
time when O'Falafel attacked him personally.

the irony is KO turns into a lefty version of O'Falafel with his self-righteous indignation, rants of pompous self-importance.

Who appointed him that role or he self-anointed
himself?

i stopped watching weeks ago.
no, i did not watch last nite and i know what he is capable of based on his past shows and comments of KO show from last nite

by toddy 2008-03-07 07:22AM | 0 recs
I prefer O'Reilly
to what KO is doing.  O'Reilly is O'Reilly.
KO came in as a defender of truth.  We believed him.
KO took advantage of our trust, and is now using
decption tactics.
This man is truly evil.
I walk past Central Park south daily, and someday
look forward to spitting in his face.
I hear he has himself a 20-year-old bitch.
by earthoat 2008-03-07 07:31AM | 0 recs
Re: I prefer O'Reilly

Don't forget Ann and Rush, they're supporting HRC.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 10:25AM | 0 recs
Prozac

Look, I can play crazy too

I'd rather vote for McCain than that shrill, republican lite, lying, racist, establishment, triangulating, NAFTAloving, War supporting, former first lady of a moderatly capable president,

existing in your own reality is really fun, isnt it

by Wiz in Wis 2008-03-07 07:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Prozac

Wow, until you said former first lady, I thought you were talking about St. Bonehead Obama.

by Sensible 2008-03-07 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Olberman is pointing out what is pretty obvious to everyone who isn't a fingers-in-their-ears-I-can't-hear-you-L A-LA-LA-LA Clinton supporter.

The question is, can Hillary Lieberman Clinton recover he reputation after poisoning the Democratic well with this stupidity about McCain and her lies about NAFTA.

And the answer is no.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 07:44AM | 0 recs
You mean Obama's lies about NAFTA?

are you that brainwashed?

by earthoat 2008-03-07 07:57AM | 0 recs
Re: You mean Obama's lies about NAFTA?

She never opposed NAFTA. He didn't reach out to the Canadians, she did. She lied about him, she lied about herself.

Just keep ignoring the facts. Keep cheering on the scorched earth strategy. Keep pissing off voters and donors who aren't Hillary-or-Nobody!! screechers. Keep building up John McCain and the Be Afraid, Be Very Afriad Bush foreign policy.

Then whine and cry and snivel about how mean Obama supporters, I mean, of course, Obamabots, are on the internet. And deny any responsibility for President McCain.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: You mean Obama's lies about NAFTA?

LOL!  Is that what Orangeistan told you to think?  Do you have any ability to think for yourself?

LOL!  The Canadians have memos depicting exactly what happened in the Obama campaign.  Obama lied when he denied it.

Go ahead and continue believing the manufactured reality.  It's your choice.

I'm sure someday you'll wake up.

by Sensible 2008-03-07 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: You mean Obama's lies about NAFTA?

Even if you believe the memo, you need to read all of it.  It says that Goolsbee told the Canadians that BHO wanted Nafta changed to strengthen the environmental and labor standards, which is exactly what BHO said publicly.

by 1jpb 2008-03-07 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: You mean Obama's lies about NAFTA?

No. It's what the Canadian embassy and the Toronto Globe and Mail said, and what Hillary Lieberman Clinton did.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 01:48PM | 0 recs
Huh?

Keith Olberman is a total tool.  I can't believe anyone takes him seriously.  He is a bad stand up comic trying to do news.  Blech.  If I want comedy with my news I watch Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert.  At least they are actually funny!

by JustJennifer 2008-03-07 08:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

It is very simple
Clinton is running on her experience. Most of the years of this experience is being married to a Governor and a President. Yes, as a result she has OBSERVED how decisions are made. That is a difference and experience she has gained.

What O-man pointed out, and rightfully so is her raising McCain up to a higher level than Obama to be President. She should be bashing McCain not praising him.

If she wants to point out how she would defeat McCain in a manner Obama cannot fine. In fact that is what she should be doing.

Even the most die hard Clinton supporter should be thinking "Hillary, you don't need to praise McCain to defeat Obama"

The November election has a real chance for a Dem landslide. A 60 Dem Senate and an overwhelming House is more important than who will be President.

Remember, super delegates are full tilt Party members. Party first folks.

..and yes is and will be about Iraq/Economy

by nogo war 2008-03-07 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

the sign of a zealot and of a candidate who would manage the same kind of politics as the Bush Administration.

if the commentator doesnt agree with you, trash him.

SO many stories against the Bush administration have SO MUCH to owe to Lieberman - the Plame thing might not have gotten nearly as much attention had it not been for him. Lets not forget what he has done. THAT gives him credibility, whereas you, O anonymous blogger, have none.

by dem sam 2008-03-07 08:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

*Olbermann, not lieberman.

by dem sam 2008-03-07 08:16AM | 0 recs
Zellary will certainly never repair hers n/t

by Walt Starr 2008-03-07 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Funny, the only person I know who would want to be compared to Joe Lierberman, would probably be the one who called him his "MENTOR",

MENTORs are assigned, not choses

Senator Obama himself endorsed Joe Lieberman over Democratic Primary Challenger Ned Lamont

Hillary Clinton also endorses Joe Lieberman over Ned Lamont in the primary. Not a single sitting Senator endorsed Ned Lamont in the primary.

However.....

Tim Tagaris:
President Clinton, on the other hand, probably provided the singular destructive post-primary moment of anyone outside the campaign.  He provided every national Democrat the cover they needed to stay out of the race in one single moment on Larry King Live.  He said he wasn't too concerned about who won the election between Ned and Joe.  Mind you, this was post-primary, and he was pretty much the first big-name national Democrat to do so. When he was asked to put out a statement clarifying that he supported Ned, we were told he was on vacation, but one would be forthcoming.  Well, we got one mealy-mouthed sentence a few days later.  He never made it right.  Ever.

Bill Clinton is the reason Joe Lieberman is still in the Senate.

by BlueinColorado 2008-03-07 08:27AM | 0 recs
Thanks for this diary. I was utterly disgusted

with Keith Olbermann last night. I will not watch his show again until after the primary season is over.

by Rumarhazzit 2008-03-07 08:28AM | 0 recs
I guess you haven't noticed.

Dan Abrams has a bias toward Clinton.  I still watch his show anyway but then I don't freak out when someone promotes Clinton or criticizes Obama.  I do freak out a little when untrue statements are given legs but MSNBC has been pretty careful in that regard.

by GFORD 2008-03-07 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: I guess you haven't noticed.

Dan Abrams doesn't have a bias toward Clinton.  It's just that he doesn't show vitriolic hatred for Clinton.  You're so used to that, you wouldn't know fairness if you saw it.

by Sensible 2008-03-07 10:12AM | 0 recs
When did Olbermann start mistaking his role?

I thought he turned rabidly frothy against Clinton when his good buddy David Schuster had to pay some dues for the Chelsea Clinton slam.

Too bad. The stress of so boldly opposing CheneyBush has gotten to him, and unbalanced his perception and sense of fairly honest reporting.

Or maybe he's been threatened with a short stint in Gitmo?

Payback's a... well, you know.

by whaleshaman 2008-03-07 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann

Do we still live in a nation where sexism is stronger than racism? Yes!
Is the "good old boys club" still in charge?
Yes!
Is Hillary called a bitch because she is an example of a strong woman? Yes

I have no way of knowing, but I believe it is not Bill, or Penn that makes the final decision on what happens in her campaign. I believe (without knowing)that Hillary make the final call.
She would, if elected, be making the final call.

I believe(without knowing the same for Obama)

I can understand Clinton's position after the major part of 9/11 happened in her State.
What I can NEVER understand is her judgment in trusting Bush to do the right thing.

What I cannot understand is her decision to place McCain above a fellow Democrat Obama.

What I do understand, is even without our candidate in place by the time is comes here
to Denver it will be harsh and ugly.

What I do understand is if the Decision is not made by Denver? ...It will be 24/7 in Denver. Denver is not a major city like where Conventions are usually held. There is not room in Downtown. There already is a plan for "temporary" outdoor holding areas. There are not enough police so the Colorado National Guard will be a visible presence. The Republicans will win and
the Democratic Party will have a permanent split between the DLC and everyone else.

This was a practice run..note only 40 males were arrested and we were 4 to a cell in Denver City Jail.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,2999 59,00.html

by nogo war 2008-03-07 09:28AM | 0 recs
KO

spoke for most thinking democrats last nite. Hillary should not be praising McCain at the expense of a democrat. It just is not done. Until she started doing it. Veteran observers do not remember anybody in the same party teaming up with the other party candidate before.

KO just spoke the obvious. Hillary was beyond the pale with her comments. She needs to be aware of how these types of comments sound to democratic voters and superdelegates.

I am an Obama supporter but I am a democrat first and want my nominee to win, be it Hillary or Barack. These comments hurt us. Please refrain Hillary.

by hawkjt 2008-03-07 09:29AM | 0 recs
He lost me long before this

I began to see how petty he was during his feud with O'Reilly.  He just wouldn't let it go no matter how fanatical, obsessive, and tiring this daily ritual became.  To a reasonably dispassionate person, it should not have been hard to admit that O'Reilly began to appear as the more "fair and balanced" of the two.

by lombard 2008-03-07 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olberman

So St. Olbermann was only being fair.

I'd like to see just ONE, just ONE example where Olbermann said something even mildly critical of Obama.  Just one time, once.

There's got to be at least one tiny thing that Obama has said or done that would wrankle Keith.

I can hear the crickets already.

Keith is just a Michael Vick loving, Democracy hating arrogant scumbag.  No, his "reputation" will never be repaired.  He never had one to begin with.  He was just a ratings-craving LOSER.

by Sensible 2008-03-07 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Olbermann is the absolute worst kind of hack. A disreputable, disgruntled self-important hack.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-07 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

As ridiculous as "clap, clap, point, point" looks, I sure prefer it to the Clinton's current whine, whine, cry, cry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_WIqjj0W VA&eurl=http://www.facebook.com/post ed.php?id=93401405

by WellstoneDem 2008-03-07 10:26AM | 0 recs
Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation?

I am surprised that he has any reputation other than sliming Bill O'Reilly - He should stick to it, rather than try to do more than his worth.

by devil 2008-03-07 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

" WA wa wa why is the media so mean! wa wa wa"

GROW UP! Dear god! Keith is a well spoken, intelligent, forceful progressive force on television and you want to disown of him just because he attacked Hillary on NAFTA. Pathetic.

Also you lied. Obama did endorse Lamont.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connecticut _United_States_Senate_election,_2006#For _Lamont

by bentheben 2008-03-07 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Not against Lieberman he didn't.

by RDemocrat 2008-03-07 11:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

I think Obama endorsed Liberman in the primary and then switched to Lamont in the actual election to cover himself after Liberman went Independent

by ginaswo 2008-03-07 02:12PM | 0 recs
He &amp; Stephanie Miller, same recovery center?

I'm sure she'd like that. Her unfunny (unless you're into RNC misogyny) pro-Bamabias AirAmerica (?) radio show has destroyed Chicago morning drive time.

by fairleft 2008-03-07 11:04AM | 0 recs
Re: He &amp;amp;

Well now add Randi Rhode, someone who use to regularly defend Bill Clinton.  All these women coming out against Clinton.  Must the Misogyny.  Oh and I wonder if the ratings for WCPT have gone done recently.  Prove with verifiable facts.

by Delver Rootnose 2008-03-07 11:33AM | 0 recs
Re: He &amp;amp;amp;

That's right. I listened to Randi Rhodes this week and she, too, is disgusted with HRC. Oh, and Ed Schultz spoke out strongly against her tactics as well, and so did Bill Press (all referring to the McCain remarks). These are pretty respected commentators. You can't continue to label this as pandering or sexism...

Sure, it's a campaign, and this may be the way that many candidates behave in an election cycle, but that does not mean that we have to reward it. Come on, this was a PURE political tactic on Clinton's part, putting Obama in third place, no matter what it may do to provide fuel to the Republicans. Just like the Jesse Jackson comment, and the MLK LBJ parallel were incredibly calculated as a suggestion to label Obama the "black" candidate. So sure, she is allowed to say whatever it may take to win, but I hope many people concerned with the health of the Democratic party will call her on it.

by magnoliagirl 2008-03-08 03:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann ....

..ever repair his reputation?

Sure he can repair his reputation...

All he has to do is continue to tell the verifiable truth about Hillary Clinton.

by Delver Rootnose 2008-03-07 11:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann

..ever repair his reputation?

Sure he can repair his reputation...

All he has to do is continue to tell the verifiable truth about Hillary Clinton.

by Delver Rootnose 2008-03-07 11:30AM | 0 recs
I am sorry but can someone tell me..

when a sports commentator became the hot new thing in political news?  The only reason he does anything is to get the attention for himself.  The guy is a hack, pure and simple.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-07 11:31AM | 0 recs
Olbermann

hates the Clintons.

Always has.

by Edgar08 2008-03-07 11:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann

What do you expect?  Olbermann knows which side his bread is buttered on.  GE owns NBC (and MSNBC).  GE wants to build nuclear power plants.  Now which one of our candidates has voted for nuclear power plants and, among other things, played footsie with Excelon.  Bingo.

OF COURSE Keith Olbermann and Chris Matthews and Tucker Carlson are touting Obama.  Dan Abrams does, too, he just tries to make it look as if, in comparison to the aforesaid slimey trio, he is attempting to be fair.  This is simply to be able to say, "Hey, MSNBC is fair...look at Dan Abrams."

by miriam 2008-03-07 11:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

will KO report the news from Canada confirming Clinton camp never spoke to them and reconfirming Obama did?

www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT GAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/Nati onal/home
OTTAWA -- Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the future of NAFTA such as those allegedly offered by Barack Obama's campaign, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's office said Friday.

by ginaswo 2008-03-07 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

You are spot on.  As someone who was banned from the Ed Schultz show as a regular contributor because I praised Keith as the Edward R. Murrow of our generation, I have come to the same conclusion as you.  Keith has lost perspective and judgment.  He's just a shrill poseur with a misogynistic bent.  Very sad.

As someone who used to appear on his show I will no longer respond affirmatively to any invitation from his producers.  Adios Keith.
Larry Johnson

by Larr Johnson 2008-03-07 02:17PM | 0 recs
Based on 1 report?

You dismiss Olbermann based on his reporting on one story as a "shrill poseur with a misogynistic bent?"   Seriously?  

That overreaction is really unfortunate.

by bosdcla14 2008-03-07 02:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Based on 1 report?

Exactly.

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-07 05:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Thank you so much for your reply.

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-07 05:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Why would he want to? Obama's going to be the next President of the United States.

by carbocation 2008-03-07 02:38PM | 0 recs
This is why Hillary should drop out

She's destroying the party. It's all about HER. She's proving it was never about being a progressive. It was about her gaining power. Her supporters are the ones who truly have cult audacity... WAKE UP, SHE ISN'T GONNA WIN WITHOUT RIPPING THE PARTY IN TWO. LEARN 2 MATH!!!!

by SleepingWillow 2008-03-07 02:44PM | 0 recs
Re: This is why Hillary should drop out

this coming from the jackass who signs every comment ""We are the ones we have been waiting for... Obama 2008

Hale Bop take them awaaaaaay...."

Hey Joan take a look in the mirror in you moron

by logic is beautiful 2008-03-07 04:34PM | 0 recs
Obamann

Keith Olbermann's show has essentially become a hour long commercial for Barack Obama.

It's a complete joke.

by bdog 2008-03-07 02:47PM | 0 recs
Re: no he is just another media ranter
Me too.  I don't know what got into his head.
It seems to me that suddenly he just forgot how to be a journalist.
by JoeySky18 2008-03-07 03:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Once he signed that big contract and started teaming with Tweety Matthews, I knew it was over.  He really has disppointed me greatly.   I think his ego was stroked more by the money and being the rising star than by an audience appreciative of truth-telling.  

by Gloria 2008-03-07 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

... and Obama supporters are the koolaid drinkers.  

Finally there is someone out there in media that is speaking truth to power.  Someone to counter Faux News and the mindless stenographers on the other channels.  He's an asset that progressive have sorely needed for ages.  He is brave beyond words and succinct in the face of the treasons committed on our nation for the last 7 years.  

Then he has the audacity to report on realities that Hilary supporters find inconvenient and here come the flame throwers.  What is there of value to democrats and progressives that Hilary fans aren't willing to destroy with their scorched earth warfare in the never ending quest to deny the writing that is and has been on the wall for a while now?

by lockewasright 2008-03-07 04:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

not sure what you're talking about.  Keith's reputation improves every day.  He's telling the truth.

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-07 05:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

Actually, there is a new report from the Canadian media saying that Hillary was not apart of NAFTA. Olbermann said that she was. He lied!

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-07 08:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

no, he didn't.  The story--that everyone reported on--is actually factual.

by thereisnospoon 2008-03-07 10:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

You actually believe that. The Canadian News has firmly confirmed that the Clinton Campaign never contacted the Canadian government. Olbermann reported otherwise, therefore he lied. He based his report on hearsay all because of his vicious hatred for Hillary Clinton. That's not a journalist.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-08 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

I think it's funny that the supporters of Mr. Bipartisan Hopebringer are the ones attacking Sen. Clinton the most for having the nerve to imply that McCain might actually be qualified to be President.  How dare she!

by mlr701 2008-03-07 05:43PM | 0 recs
I only caught the end of tonight's Countdown

But Olbermann's summation was pathetically representative of what he has become. He was yakking with nightly puppet Dana Milbank, regarding the monster topic. Olbermann said, "Truth as a defense."

Unbelievable. Others have summarized very well. Talent and education are not lockstep with class, and Olbermann has none of the later. His early Special Comments were devastating critique of Bush and this administration, in fair tone and using their own words and deeds as indictments. Later he resorted to juvenile word twisting ("Fox Noise Channel," "Bill Orally") and adopted a remarkably smug and condescending approach. At that point he lost me, long before the Hillary bashing.

As an initial supporter of Edwards it was simple to evaluate the Hillary/Obama question in terms of media coverage, and Olbermann was disgraceful from the outset.

The amusing aspect is how defensive he is about the recent SNL skits. They clearly irritate him, even though somehow he has been spared as a specific target. A couple of days ago he desperately mentioned one question from himself to Obama, and one from Russert, supposedly verifying there is no NBC bias toward Obama. LOL. If there were no bias he would either be able to name many more than two, or so evident he wouldn't need to list any at all. Only a sad parody of himself, as Olbermann has become, doesn't seem to grasp that.

Actually, I wonder if the lack of focus on SNL may be partially why he is annoyed, even if subconsciously "Hey, I'm as slanted as anyone! Don't tell me I'm not important enough to mock!"

by Gary Kilbride 2008-03-07 09:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Keith Olbermann


I certainly don't watch him anymore -- or anything else on msnbc. and I don't watch nbc news anymore.  since I don't watch fox either,  all that's left is CNN -- and I like it that CNN actually has women host some of the prime time slots.  msnbc is a bunch of old sexist frat boys, and I do not share their mind set.

olbermann is repulsive -- you can actually see white spit frothing at the corners of his mouth -- and matthews mouth has that white spit too. yuk.

by moevaughn 2008-03-08 03:31AM | 0 recs
I actually like Charlie Gibson

on ABC.  He tries to be fair.   My neighbors work over there, and say he's a very sweet guy.

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation

After watching Ob I was compelled to write this post to his blog, not that I had any disillusion that he would have the guts to actually put it on his blog, they only want to post agreeable things that favor him.  I actually wrote it and then copied it so as not to take too much time while posting because that often messes up the post.  Now I will copy it here so that anyone who is not so blind because of rabid support for Obama might read.  Obama supporters have become the new Hillary haters, replacing republicans who have finally realized that she is not nearly as bad as these rabid Obamabots have become.  The bots are the new haters.  All over the bolgs the hate is most rampant, and disgusting in the maximum.  I have decided to not ever vote for bama because of this ridiculous hatred.  Nothing will change my mind, this kind of hatred is destructive and uncalled for.  We can't they just support their candidate without this hatred?  Children and people who don't grow up always find excuses to hate because it is such a strong emotion, it seems to color everything they do and say but it also distorts, and diminishes their candidate. It also brings out resistance and breads ugly reprisals. I am the result.  I could never consider voting for their guy and even though I have always been a democrat this year, if bama is the nominee, I just won't vote.  They can thank themselves for the people who will not be voting for Obama because of this hatred, which I find just repulsive.  I think bama will find a very hard time trying to get elected, and I will enjoy watching him go down to defeat, because it is already written in the stars, he does not have enough experience and cannot win with inspiration and hate alone.
Here is the post:
I dare you to post this comment. I have noticed that comments such as mine rarely see the published blog.    Your guests tonight, and the host are all suffering under a collective delusion.  You think by grossly distorting and twisting Clinton's words and insulting her non stop, you diminish her and inflate Obama.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  In fact, this show is so far from truth it becomes a malicious attempt to try to cut her up and spit out the pieces.  However, this does absolutely nothing for Obama.  I know the Obama campaign has threatened to `go negative', as if they had not been doing so for this whole past year.  From the beginning of this campaign Obama has ridiculed Clinton, belittling her, saying that often repeated Rove comment that Clinton is so divisive.  The echo in the press implies a fallacy as truth.  Since Senator Clinton has been in the senate, she has worked across party lines, earning praise from republicans who have said that she has proven to be a hard working  pleasant surprise. However, Obama has talked about  but not actually done that, being a reliable liberal partisan vote in the senate. There have of course been Clinton haters.  Richard Wolfe has never said a kind thing about Clinton this whole time.  His harsh insults are tiresome and full of sneers , Margaret  cannot stand that another woman would be even trying to use her accomplishments and service to demonstrate her qualifications.  You all say that Clinton's time in the White House is not any experience at all, basically reducing her to the simpering but charming Laura Bush, as some kind of equal.  This is really ridiculous.  The very reason republicans and the press just couldn't stand Hillary in the 90s is because she did wield such influence and did indeed hold a much more involved place along side her husband.  At least she has been there and Obama has not.  She consistently stood up to the false accusations and finally after spending over fifty million dollars, no charges.  But the only way that Obama could stand up to her is to diminish her experience, so instead of finding something that Obama could place on the scales, you think that tearing her down is the thing to do.  That is what Obama has been about for this whole campaign.  While pretending to be the candidate of hope, change, and high inspiration, he nevertheless trashed everything she has accomplished  and insulted her whenever possible You keep implying she said things she never said and interpret anything she says in a twisted and malicious way. Yet that still provides us with no answer to the basic question which is not about her experience and competence, but about his.  The Press Conference where 30 generals and other military people endorse her is not even mentioned, but you take some comment and distort that, as if that was what she said, or even meant.  What she meant in my view, is that instead of providing Obama's qualifications, which is the important thing, he and you only provide belittling and insulting comments about her.  She never says she wanted McCain, never, but you wouldn't know that from listening to your guests.  She actually said it is up to Obama to present his credentials on national security, and it is.

When looking at Hillary you look through the female lens, but in looking at Obama we must never look through the African American lens, the ice is much thinner there.

The  misogynistic adjectives applied to Clinton like whining or shrill or cackle and comments about her appearance are insulting and small.  This classless disrespect is so pervasive you don't even realize you are doing it, or you are really full of that much hate and envy.  Maybe you are all being required to do this by your corporate bosses. Advertising dollars do not allow you license  with the truth.

You must not realize that this country is in trouble.  The regular Americans you care little about are worried.  Our country is in desperate need.  We don't need a campaign of audacity, we need a person that will do the job, Obama does not even do the job he has now.  We are afraid of losing our homes, or our jobs, we need health care for our children and ourselves.  Yes we hope, but what we hope is that we select a competent person to actually make this country work again.  The question is not all this stupid gossip and distortion, but the qualifications of the people who are vying for this job.  The amazing thing is even though Hillary Clinton knows what a difficult job she is facing  she is still willing to offer her service to us.  She has proven over and over that she can and will do the hard work.  All we want to know is not about her, we already know about her and this gossip is not what matters to us.  What we need to know is what Obama has to offer, and not just his great speeches, but his plans.  After two years in the senate Obama feels he is qualified to be president.  This is what matters to us. We don't care about Rezko, we don't care about old scandals or old republican talking points.  We don't need you to reinterpret her words in the most negative and scurrilous way.  We need to know can Obama actually do the job. Those in Texas and Ohio voted on their needs, not the small infighting and trash tabloid talk.    It appears that what Obama wants to do for us is to insult her, belittle her and with your help,  it's all we get.  Biased commentary is `worst person in the world' material.

by democrat voter 2008-03-08 04:06AM | 0 recs
The hate Obama is spreading
via his supporters, scares the crap out of me.
I got spooked months ago, after experiencing their strong arm tactics towad Clinton people on dKos.  I thought man, do we want that bunch in the Whitehouse?
by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:16AM | 0 recs
his reputation?

A vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote against MSNBC.

by jfoster 2008-03-08 05:14AM | 0 recs
The buzz among TV workers

is that Olbermann is an a*hole to his staff.

by earthoat 2008-03-08 05:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith

If one is a Clinton supporter, the Olbermann campaign on behalf of Obama, which mirrors that of the larger MSM, comes as no surprise.

Of all people, no less than Bill O'Reilly correctly pointed out that a turning point in the campaign, exposing the press and punditry for all their pro-Obama bias, resulted from the recent series of "Saturday Night Live" sketches, parodying the Obama love fest.

"Saturday Night Live," from its inception in 1975, which in 1976 found Chevy Chase rendering Gerald Ford in prat-falls of clumsiness, through the recent 2000 and 2004 campaigns in which GWB was viewed as idiotic but Gore and Kerry as elitist and aloof, has in fact actually made the difference in which candidate ultimately prevails.

Forever hereafter, Obama will be viewed as the coddled love child of the American media, woefully lacking in substance and ridiculously vaulted above his freshman senator status.

After seven years plus of having the "village idiot" at the helm of the Executive Office, the prospect of Obama being there, through SNL's brilliant satire, makes the United States look even more pathetic to the rest of the world.

Which is why cooler minds will ultimately prevail in the Democratic Party, and Hillary Clinton, the real winner of real blue-state primaries, rather than Barack Obama, the winner of Red State caucuses and fringe state primaries, will represent the Democratic Party come fall.

Anyone who lives in Ohio and still also thinks in political reality knows that Obama is a gone-er here in the general election, inasmuch as he lost 83 of 88 counties last Tuesday.

With Ohio gone (forget any current polls with GE match-ups for November--hard reality tells one that Ohio will not vote for someone who has lost 83 of its 88 counties in the primary!), Obama will be lucky to do well even in blue states.

Obama guarantees a McCain landslide.

Hillary Clinton, very strong in blue states and the genuine bell-weather Ohio, is the only chance the Democrats have at all.

by lambros 2008-03-08 06:58AM | 0 recs
Earth to Oberman/Obamabots

Clinton has already said she would run on the same ticket as Obama. That is an implicit endorsement of Obama as a commander-in-chief. The explicit endorsement will come when the primary is over.

Clinton was stating the obvious about McCain (that he is qualified to be Commander-in-chief, and is seen that way by the majority of Americans) is not an endorsement of McCain. She will take his head off and hand it to him when the time is right.

She is saying that the Democrats will have to nominate a candidate that also is seen by the American people to be commander-in-chief material or we will lose badly. Clinton has 30 generals endorsing her. Like her or not, she has the respect of the generals because she knows her shit.

She also said that Obama will have to make the case for himself; she's not going to do that for him, at least not in the primaries.

Why is it that when Clinton was the front-runner and Obama was saying "she will say or do anything to get elected president", that no one said "Obama, why are you personally attacking Clinton, the likely nominee and helping the Republicans"?

Why didn't Oberman criticize Obama then? Or criticize Edwards. They were all trashing Clinton along with the Republicans. That is why Obama was able to do well. No one was attacking him and EVERYONE, all the Democrats and Republicas, were attacking Clinton.

Then, when Clinton fights back (with the obvious truth) Oberman and Obama supporters cry foul. What hypocritical bullshit.

by mmorang 2008-03-08 10:28AM | 0 recs
Can Hillary repair hers?

That's what you should be asking yourself.

by Dmitri in San Diego 2008-03-08 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Can Keith Olbermann even repair his reputation
Nope.....
sadly I've stopped watching...
it has become the "All Obama Hour"
Geez......Keith acts like he has a personal investment in an Obama win.  
by jbohio 2008-03-08 11:48AM | 0 recs

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