Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

It looks like about ten minutes ago Barack Obama released a full statement on Jeremiah Wright's comments on Huffington Post. Why he did it there, I don't know, but I have to say that he addressed the comments head on.

Here's the link:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/barack-oba ma/on-my-faith-and-my-church_b_91623.htm l

And here's some important points:

"The pastor of my church, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who recently preached his last sermon and is in the process of retiring, has touched off a firestorm over the last few days. He's drawn attention as the result of some inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents.

Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue."

He then goes on to give some context of his relationship with the church and makes clear that Wright's sermons are not the totality of his ministry by any means.

Please go ahead and read this. It's a direct response from Obama himself to the blogosphere, which is significant in its own right.  The controversy obviously bothers him greatly - not just because of the political embarrassment but because of moral embarrassment.

I, for one, am very glad he came out with this. And I hope he is prepared to reiterate these comments on the news media in the coming days.

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Comments

216 Comments

Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

if it really bothered him he would respond in the mainstream press.

by americanincanada 2008-03-14 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I bet this is just a first foray. The blogosphere is the perfect place to start because the mainstream press will pick it up and quote him. Who else would give him complete access but a website? TV wouldn't let him read that whole comment unedited.

Now the mainstream media will respond to this.

by elrod 2008-03-14 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments
Plus, he is more of bottom-up people-powered candidate. It's appropriate to address it this way.
by Becky G 2008-03-14 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Huffington Post is top down.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Compared to what?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Your joking right???  Obama and his family lived by this guy "he made me what I am" or something close to that. I know that isn't the exact wording but is the drift.  Read his last book Rev Wright is the base of his book.

by bradydundee 2008-03-14 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

It's on MSNBC right now...  I know you don't consider that mainstream...  but, it's there.  And he will be on Hillary's favorite network Fox, tonight, to further explain.

by LordMike 2008-03-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

He's apparently going to be on 3 networks tonight.  Good night for it - Friday.  It's "Take Out the Trash Day" so he can say he addressed it and no one will pay any more attention to it - but he'll be on the record.

by cmugirl90 2008-03-14 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I wish it wasn't Friday... I want this to get more air time, but the story broke yesterday, so he had to deal with it now... tonight.  

Good job by the campaign team!

by LordMike 2008-03-14 01:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

What an ignorant and small comment.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Thank you marcotom, an ignorant comment indeed. if the entire world is flipped out by obama's preacher than they can take 5 minutes out of their friday night to listen to what he has to say.

by AHunch 2008-03-14 01:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Why did he Reject ?

His Cranky Uncle's view - which ones does BHO agree

BHO has described Mr. Wright as his "sounding board" during the two decades he has known him.

BHO has said he found religion through the minister in the 1980s. He joined the church in 1991 and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith.

The title of BHO's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons. Mr. Wright is one of the first people

BHO thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. BHO consulted Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

BHO obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views.

by indus 2008-03-14 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

You just keep moving those goalposts for the appropriate level of remorse.

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

That's why he is going to be on Hannity & Colmes and Keith Olbermann tonight.

So I guess it does bother him, huh.

by smoothmedia 2008-03-14 01:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

He did not mention specific statements of Wright, and he claimed the church, including Wright, "has done so much good."  He just provided more ammunition to the GOP.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 12:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

What DOESN'T provide the GOP with ammunition? There is no fool-proof way to denounce a Right-Wing attack. All you can do is explain your position rationally, as Obama has now done.

Does he have to "Reject AND Denounce"?? And do you think the Right Wing would care either way?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Wright is still a member of his campaign.  And Obama did not denounce specific statements.  He also said Trinity and Wright have "done so much good."

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Please explain what steps Obama would have to take to satisfy you.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 12:59PM | 0 recs
I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

there is no explanation he can provide.

His explanation is that he was unaware of these remarks by Rev. Wright.  

So, the next logical question is: why ?  Why was he unaware ?  If someone says God-damn america 5 days after 9-11 from a pulpit, why did that not spread like fire.  Why was he unaware ?

How can you be unaware that your pastor says G-D America 5 days after 9-11. ?

I would like an explanation, but I doubt there is one !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

There is none and there is no need for it. At this point, you have to take him at his word or you can believe that he is a liar who hates America and only realized now that hating America and being President somehow don't go together very well. It's your choice.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

You want me to give him the benefit of doubt ?

Fine, but I need help.  I need an explanation that enables me to give him the benefit of doubt.

I do not take people at their word if their word does not resonate with my understanding of the world.  So, provide me with an explanation, and I will give him the benefit of doubt.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Some pastors rant and rave about the evils of homosexuality. They condemn homosexuals to hell, call it a disease and ban those individuals from their church. My church, as a child, was like this under one of our pastors. I imagine MANY mainstream politicians belong to (or once belonged to) churches with similar-minded preachers.

How about the Catholic church. There is a church was a long and splendid history of bigotry, brutality and, of course, denying women the right to birth control and Choice.

In this case, we have a somewhat radical black Church in urban Chicago. A place not known for its racial equality. And we have a black preacher. Does he rant against gays? Well, I don't know. Does he preach that women should be denied the right to Choose? I doubt it. Does he rant about racial inequality and the serious problems with our government? He sure does. Does he rant about how the mainstream media ignored the reasons we were a target of attacks by a radical movement overseas? He did indeed. Did he express to his congregation a feeling that America doesn't care about black people? Yup. Remember Hurricane Katrina?

But, does he express these things in a way you care to hear? In a way that even makes a little sense to you? No. He was not talking to you. He was talking to urban black Chicagoans.

I think your judgment is flawed when you try to reconcile the two different Pastor Wrights. First, there is the Wright who married Michelle and Barack, the Wright who participated in helping an oppressed and underprivileged community, and the Wright who was Obama spiritual guide.
Second, we have the Wrignt who, on occasion, expressing extreme political views that are out of the mainstream. Really, 'crazy uncle' is actually an apt term. Does this mean he is a bad person? Does this mean he doesn't have a solid understanding of the Bible and of faith? Of course not - just like a doctor who believes in the JFK conspiracies can still be a damn good Doctor and family friend.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

You mentioned crazy uncle...

Everyone in the family knows about "crazy uncles", And we all know in fairly short order, when the crazy uncle says something really crazy.

That is what I am trying to understand.  How did Obama not know ?

Why did someone who heard his G-D America sermon not call up someone else, and say "did you know what that crazy Rev Wright just said" ?

But thank you for your cogent answer..even though it was answering a different question.  BTW, I can accept your explanation for why that particular church is the way it is, but it does not make it any less wrong.  I have heard equally cogent explanations as to why some radical mosques in Pakistan are the way they are (and yes, I know that is a harsh/unfair comparison, and I apologize in advance)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

He did know. He knew at least as far back as February 2007 when it was first in the media. He was even going to have Wright introduce him at his presidential announcement speech, but decided against it. Which is why anyone (not you) saying that Wright will be at Obama's inauguration are full of it.

Another point - what is CRAZY!! to you might not be crazy to a member of a black, urban church in Chicago.

As for your last point about radical Islam - I agree. It doesn't make it right. But it makes it understandable. (and, of course, Wright's comments are hardly extreme when compared to the teachings of radical Islam - or even other more radical christian sects)

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

My question is not whether he knew in Feb 2007...it is whether he knew in September 2001.

It is very hard to believe that he did not know in Sept 2001.  It is even harder to believe that he did  know, and did not leave that church.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Why would he leave the church? Aside form wanting to protect his Presidential ambitions?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Why would he leave the church ?  Because he disagreed with the messages of hate being preached from the pulpit !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

If I disowned every person and institution I disagreed with at one point or another I would have no friends, family or job.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

I am not asking anyone to disown institutions/friends/family you disagree with.

I am asking you to disown institutions/friends/family that spew a message of hate.

I am pretty sure you would have more friends and family, and a decent job at the end of it.  Heck...even if you did not, you would be better off!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

You want help? Go back and listen to every single speech obama has ever given and see if you can find a single crossover between what he says and wright says. take the time to do that and if it is not enough to convince you that they do not share the same idea of american society then you are willfully ignoring the obvious.  

by AHunch 2008-03-14 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

I agree with the general point you are making:  It beggars belief that the messiah of hope could come out of that church of hate.  And yes, based on that reason alone, Obama should be given the benefit of doubt.

But having a "God-damn America" sermon be preached by your "crazy-uncle" pastor 5 days after 9-11...I am sorry, it is very hard to believe that he did not know about it, even with all the sermons on unity.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Did he really call him a crazy uncle, or an old uncle?  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 02:05PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

I must admit...I am not sure !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 02:20PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Crazy is bad.. it is certainly a no-no to anyone who is a mental health advocate.  I thought he said old uncle.  

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 02:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

I must admit.. I do not understand the emphasis on the distinction !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

You know what the thing is? He needs to highlight the good the minister and his church has done. Google jeremiah wright -obama and you can see more about that. Speaking from a Baptist perspective, his Biblical teachings have nothing offensive in them. This church does really heavy community service and preaches a message of self-reliance that is hard to object to. Going to the church and respecting the minister in spite of his occasionally hotheaded political rants (I think we've ALL been guilty of that at some point) because of its devotion to the community makes perfect sense.

Furthermore, I welcome the GOP attacks. McCain didn't know what church he even belonged to for 20 years. Obama not only has a proven record of going to church, he can name his pastor. What presidential candidate in recent memory can say that? There hasn't been a serious Christian Democratic candidate since Jimmy Carter. This will be catnip to voters if they just make it clear that the church is about far, far more than politics.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 05:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Well, self-reliance in the sense that it says that the community must work to better itself and each person must hold themselves responsible for that community.

by vcalzone 2008-03-14 05:03PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

No, you don't want an explanation, you want Obama to drop out of the race so that your candidate can win, after being way behind.  You're looking for a miracle, and attempting to smear Obama into the ground to get it.

At least be honest with yourself.  Nothing he will do will ever satisfy the crowd of haters around this joint.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...
First, there is nothing wrong with wanting Hillary Clinton to win. Second, the commenter has the right to ask and expect an explanation from Obama. Third, some of us are more comfortable than others at taking Obama at his word.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 01:23PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

ummm....  I was ignoring that comment for a reason: it is not wise to engage with a person who assumes too many things.

But thank you for the support.  However, I would like to modify the answer you provided on my behalf.

(a) I do not want "Hillary to win".. I want to see us elect a good President.  Right now, I believe Hillary will be a good President (this is not how I felt just yesterday, btw), and I believe that Obama will not.

(b) And yes, I have the right to ask for explanations ~ he is asking for my support, after all.

(c) I have no modificatiosn to this part.

 

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

I don't want Obama to drop out.  I don't remember seeing a chorus of people calling for him to drop out.  I do know there has been a LOUD call for Hillary to drop out since, uh, say after Iowa?

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

He has already responded...the 'damn America' clip is a rehash...but Hillary was winning then so I guess it was not a big deal.

When these statements first came to my attention, it was at the beginning of my presidential campaign. I made it clear at the time that I strongly condemned his comments.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

I guess I must not have been paying attention then...because I did not know abuot it till yesterday.  

That may have been because I was supporting Biden, and us Biden suporters are not privy to the mud that Hillary flings !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:21PM | 0 recs
Re: I doubt there is anything Obama can do...

Exactly - nothing can satisfy you. So why bother engaging in debate?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
And you, on the other hand...

did not NEED any explanations to begin with.

So why do you engage in debate ?

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

I engage in debate, and participate in blogs, for a whole variety of reasons. But, importantly, my mind is never made up. I already voted for Obama in the primary, so that is a done deal, but that does not mean my opinion of him is not constantly changing. This whole incident has actually had very little impact on me. My biggest concern is how it may impact the GE. But as a non-religious person I could care less what some pastor in a black, urban church is saying to his congregation.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

Okay, I will admit that my opposition to Obama is fairly definite at this point...for a number of reasons.

However, I am not a "Hillary supporter", as you seem to have implied.  I was originally supporting Biden, and gravitated to Hillary when I heard about the "Iron my shirt" incident.  If someone were to shout the n-word at Obama, I would probably gravitate to him as well.

And yes, it is possible to present me with a set of facts that will change my mind.  For instance, when I heard about the "as far as I know" muslim smear incident, I told my wife that I would not support Hillary, even if she were to win.  It turns out that that accusation against Hillary was false, so I back to supporting her.

Sooo... if you provide me with an explanation that makes sense, I will accept it (even though I really doubt that there can be such an explanation).  THAT is why I engage in debate !!  

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 02:19PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

So you gravitate towards the candidate that you feel deserves the most sympathy?

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 02:33PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

It is one of the criteria, yes.  Does that appear irrational to you ?

I assume you are on Obama supporter.  If so, you have only you and your friends to blame.  

I may have considered your candidate, but after the serial accusations of racism that you guys fling (and I do not know if you have done this personally, but certainly Obama's campaign has), with almost all of those accusations unfounded....

Yes, you better be sure...it is one of the criteria!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

I haven't seen the word "racist" come out of the Obama campaign once. Not at all. Please find where he or his campaign has said the attacks or anyone involved in them is racist.

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 03:31PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

you must have slept through these episodes:

* the MLK/LBJ flap ("go ask black people what they think about it"...Obama spokesman)

* "black people need to wake up and come around"...  Obama's wife

* "She does not cry for black people"...Jesse Jackson Jr

And how can we forget the entire "fairy tale" episode.

Not to be outdone by the famous "as far as I know" answer!

Wow, you must have slept through it all !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:49PM | 0 recs
I must be getting old...

because I forgot to include my favorite one:

the 3.00 am attack ad was racist (Orlando Patterson, Kos etc.)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

See, what you've done here is completely misquote and remove any context of what they were talking about.

* the MLK/LBJ flap ("go ask black people what they think about it"...Obama spokesman)

[This is where you list a link, with the full question and quote]

* "black people need to wake up and come around"...  Obama's wife

[This is where you list a link, with the full context and quote - seriously, she could be talking about a million things here]

* "She does not cry for black people"...Jesse Jackson Jr

[This is where you list a link, with the full statement - which in this case you've attributed something to him which he never even said. Here, this one is free:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/01/obama_campaign_cochair_q uestions_hillarys_tears.php

And here's his actual words - you know, what you actually use quotation marks around:

"Not in response to voters -- not in response to Katrina, not in response to other issues that have devastated the American people, the war in Iraq, we saw tears in response to her appearance. So her appearance brought her to tears, but not hurricane Katrina."]

And how can we forget the entire "fairy tale" episode.

[Here's where you have a link showing the statement in question, and Obama or his campaign's response. You didn't even try with that one.]

Not to be outdone by the famous "as far as I know" answer!

[Here's where you have a link showing the statement in question, and Obama and his campaign's response. Completely gave up on two out of five!]

Finally, you said Obama and his campaign have continually thrown accusations of racism. Not only have you failed to provide one actual quote to back you up, you haven't even cherry picked anything that says that they called anyone or any accusation or comment against them racist.

If this is the best that Clinton's right wing smear machine can come up with, you might as well find a new pasttime. You're not cut out for doing anything but reguritating every biased talking point you find.

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

Oh, and I probably shouldn't have to point this one out, but no one from the Obama campaign said anything about that ad being racist whatsoever. You even admit it came from bloggers and opinion pieces in newspapers.

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: And you, on the other hand...

Okay, this will take a substantial amount of time to respond with the degree of specificity you want.

I will write a full diary on this over the weekend.  And I will let you know when I do!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 07:43PM | 0 recs
Actually, thanks to OrangeFur..

I could easily refer you to OrangeFur's diary on this
http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/12/1225 8/6073

But here are the relevant bits (the rest of this is lifted straight from his diary; I hope you have fun reading, and checking the links!!)...

January 8. From http://www.politico.com/news/stories/010 8/7788.html

A senior Obama staffer just told me the Barack Obama campaign is livid over Hillary Clinton's recent comment about Martin Luther King Jr. and what was apparently her attempt to point out the difference between dreaming and accomplishment.

Some in the Obama campaign are now outraged at what they take to be a denigration of King's accomplishments and the sacrifices made during his era.

"Go ask black people what they think of that statement," the Obama staffer told me.

"People died for the civil rights movement in this country. People marched and put their kids in front of fire hoses! They were bitten by dogs! This is the worst thing she has said in this entire campaign."

January 9. From http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2008/01/ob ama_campaign_cochair_questions_hillarys_ tears.php

"But those tears also have to be analyzed. They have to be looked at very, very carefully in light of Katrina, in light of other things that Mrs. Clinton did not cry for, particularly as we head to South Carolina where 45% of African-Americans who participate in the Democratic contest, and they see real hope in Barack Obama."

January 12. From http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/01/12 /obama-camps-memo-on-clin_n_81205.html

"The document provides an indication that, in private, the Obama campaign is seeking to capitalize on the view - and push the narrative - that the Clintons are using race-related issues for political leverage. In public, the Obama campaign has denied that they are trying to propagate such a perception, noting that the document never was sent to the press."

January 11. From http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?u uid=6A698AA2-3048-5C12-0015C8592526ACA9

"A cross-section of voters are alarmed at the tenor of some of these statements," said Obama spokeswoman Candice Tolliver, who said that Clinton would have to decide whether she owed anyone an apology.

"There's a groundswell of reaction to these comments -- and not just these latest comments but really a pattern, or a series of comments that we've heard for several months," she said. "Folks are beginning to wonder: Is this really an isolated situation, or is there something bigger behind all of this?"

January 13. From http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 108/Obama_Clinton_rewrites_history.html

Obama: "What we saw this morning is why the American people are tired of Washington politicians and the games they play. But Sen. Clinton made an unfortunate remark, an ill advised remark, about King and Lyndon Johnson. I didn't make the statement. I haven't remarked on it, and she I think offended some folks who felt that somehow diminished King's role in bringing about the Civil Rights Act. She is free to explain that, but the notion that somehow this is our doing is ludicrous."

It should be noted that by January 13, the conflagration was already in full force. Given an opportunity to tamp down the flames, Obama decided not to do so and (1) essentially lied about whether his campaign had anything to do with pushing the story, (2) appears to agree that the statement was offensive, and (3) invited reporters to keep the story alive.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 08:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Ok, we get it...please go post another diary on the evil Rev. Wright. I think the last one is starting to fall off the rec-list.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

What is this BS about denouncing individual statements??? Is he supposed to repeat the stupidity and hurt even more people's feelings so that he can then reject them? How does that help anybody?

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Wright hasn't been a member of Obama's campaign for over a year.

Get your facts straight.

by smoothmedia 2008-03-14 01:48PM | 0 recs
has done so much good

How can you question this statement? On what basis? This is a mainstream Christian Church that grew to 6000 members under Wright. I don't accept that all those people are evil.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's

Hasn't Wright been making these types of statements for years?
Has Obama objected to them before?

Or is this yet another Obama flip flop since he became a prez candidate.

by annefrank 2008-03-14 01:16PM | 0 recs
Indefensible.

I cannot accept that Sen. Obama has had a close personal relationship with this bigot for twenty years and not had a problem with anything he has said from his pulpit until now...

by jarhead5536 2008-03-14 12:49PM | 0 recs
I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statements
While many of us are still troubled by Obama's long-term association with Reverend Wright, I guess all we can do now is take him at his word.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

But which statements did he reject?  He did not mention specific remarks of Wright in this putative denunciation.  Moreover, Wright is still a member of the Obama campaign.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

Not really.  The group that he's on hasn't ever met, and does nothing - just a religious outreach thing.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem
Like I said, I'm still troubled. But, to be fair, Hillary Clinton did not actually remove Geraldine Ferraro from her campaign. Gerry did that on her own. The best thing that Wright can do now is stay on his "vacation" permanently.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

Why does he have to mention specific remarks? Should he read an annotate every recorded word uttered by his pastor?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

At this point we can easily see who is here to destroy Obama and who is here because of genuine concern for the good of America. Your response to this has given you away.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

He specifically said, "inflammatory and appalling remarks he made about our country, our politics, and my political opponents." I think it's clear what remarks he's referring to by this statement. He meant all of the remarks on the news media about America (9/11, AIDS, God Damn America), and Hillary Clinton.  

Look, this is a pretty categorical statement. I don't know how you can ask for more except to request that he go line by line to the sermon's points. And that would be even more ridiculous. If you don't believe him, fine. But this is a pretty direct response to Wright's disgusting remarks.

by elrod 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

Did he fire Wright from the campaign?  Has he denounced Wright and Trinity?

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

This is all you're getting from Obama on this one....sorry.

Now go post another evil Rev. Wright dairy. The last one slipped from the rec-list.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

How could you possibly ask him to renounce his own Church? You are not interested in anything but to smear Obama - why don't you just get lost. He won't be able to make you happy anyways and neither do we.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: I applaud Obama's rejection of Wright's statem

Wait you want him to denounce the largest church in the UCC, and perhaps the greatest positive force in the Chicago AA coomunity (they have acheived some great thigns).

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-14 01:08PM | 0 recs
Could we PLEASE get off the denounce

and reject mantra.

At this point, making a statement is not going to bale him out of this trouble.

The rightwing is GOING TO RIDE this one into the ground.  My God, they attacked him for not wearing a flag lapel pin.  Attending a church for 20 years that has a pastor that said the inflammatory remarks that he did - I don't see how he's going to survive it.  If he does, he'll be a VERY STRONG person and leader.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-14 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Could we PLEASE get off the denounce

So far the Democrats on this site and the Clinton supporting boards are doing a swell job running it into the ground on their own. I don't think we need to worry about the Republicans.

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 02:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Could we PLEASE get off the denounce

you wish

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Enough with the sanctimony!

You weren't for him before, and to you this is nothing more then a cudgel to hit him over the head with.

Jeez

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

True, I haven't supported him for ages, though I did flirt with him briefly before getting hitched to Hillary.  Just don't get why he is getting a pass on this from his supporters, when you guys should be pushing your guy to, well, defend the relationship...

by jarhead5536 2008-03-14 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Why should I?

Look, to me, all religious folk are equally crazy.  I don't give a damn what this guy said any more or less then I give a damn what any religious leaders say.  It has NOTHING TO DO with whether or not Obama would make a good president!  

Why are you so caught up in this?

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Mr. Wright is one of the first people BHO thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. BHO consulted Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.

The title of BHO's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons

by indus 2008-03-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Once again, I ask:  SO WHAT?

What does any of that have to do with whether or not Obama will make a good president?

Nothing.  And you know it.  Haters are just looking for something to hit him over the head with.

Well, it's Friday - I guarantee that by Monday, this will be last week's news, literally.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:24PM | 0 recs
So What???

It's judgement. He wants to be elected on his superior judgement. If he had good judgement he wouldn't have supported Wright for 20 years.

by georgiast 2008-03-14 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: So What???

Why?

Please be specific.  Please show how he has had bad judgment by attending this church.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: So What???

Isn't this bad judgement - Listening to this crap - And please dont spin this by saying that this just came up. The church sells tapes which can be bought from their website which shows these speeches.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hAYe7MT5BxM

by indus 2008-03-14 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Ok, then don't accept it and don't vote for him. God forbid someone should ever judge you based on a controversial aspect of someone you are close to.

Some interpersonal relationships are complicated. This, clearly, is one of them for Obama. He felt close to the church because of the community social empowerment aspects, yet he disagrees with a lot of the 'politicizing' his pastor engaged in.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 12:53PM | 0 recs
I would not say "a lot."

I would say he disagrees with some.

Rev. Wright is correct, for example, in his opposition to apartheid for years prior to its end.  Don't run from what he has done that is good.  Barack Obama is not.  Obama is just rejecting that which Obama does not agree with.

by TomP 2008-03-14 01:00PM | 0 recs
Re: I would not say "a lot."

Nelson Mandela disagreed with apartheid as well... to put it mildly.  And so did Bishop Tutu.

Yet, Mandela and the rest did not preach this kind of hatred.  They preached reconciliation.  Bishop Tutu headed the "Truth and reconciliation commission" after apartheid ended.

Just because one opposes apartheid does not give one license to preach hatred... there are better ways to oppose apartheid!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Because I bet these sermons were, in fact, "cherry picked." I bet the percentage of his sermons that say these awful things is miniscule. He says he did not attend the January 2007 service of the post-9/11 service in question. He seems genuinely shocked by these comments because most of Wright's sermons are positive in nature (like the one quoted in another diary about accepting ALL people).

The totality of Wright's ministry is not defined by these sermons. Sorry, that's just not how a church works. These despicable remarks were incidental, not central to TUCC.

by elrod 2008-03-14 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Indefensible.

Cherry picking indeed. Imagine how many mainstream politicians have belonged to churches where the pastor has condemned homosexuals.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:02PM | 0 recs
Macaca

Sen George Allen's macaca remark was also "cherry picked" from amongst thousands of remarks he has made.  I bet the percentage of his remarks which included the work "macaca" is miniscule.  Finally, the word "macaca" was incidental, not central to the point Sen. Allen was making that day.

That did not stop me from being disgusted at it !  Were you disgusted at it ??

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Macaca

Yes, but he is a Republican. Democrats with progressive records who spend large parts of their lives working for the betterment of society get the benefit of the doubt. Republicans don't.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Macaca

Abraham Lincoln was a Republican too...

I am a Democrat, but I do not believe in this holier than thou attitude.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Macaca

"with progressive records who spend large parts of their lives working for the betterment of society"

But, you know, pick and choose whatever words you most enjoy responding too.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Macaca

I do not see either Obama, or his pastor as having a progressive record and who have spent large parts of their lives working for the betterment of society.

If I did, I would have been supporting Obama from the beginning.

Can you name anything he has done for the betterment of society ?

(And please don't mention his inspiring rhetoric, or his attempts to clean house in washington.)
 

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Macaca

Wow, um, ok.

So you actually don't know anything about Barack Obama? I mean - seriously?

Am I supposed to tell you about his whole record? His years as a community organizer? As a civil rights attorney? As a state legislator?

Here is one thing - he passed a law to force police interrogations to be videotaped, as to deter abuse.

That is the one thing you asked me to name. I suggest you spend some time looking the rest up for yourself

And by the way, rhetoric doesn't have a god damned thing to do with Barack Obama's record.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 05:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Macaca

Anyone who can propose a raise in the Social Security tax in 2007...after GWB's privatization push, and his promise that there is no trust fund...is not a progressive.

I do not care to dig through his record, I am sorry.  I am sure he has helped a quite a few old ladies cross the street...I am not impressed.

I had asked you to name a genuine accomplishment.  Nelson Mandela, for instance, has a genuine accomplishment.  If he were to utter macaca, then he would be entitled to the benefit of doubt.

I am not asking you to name a Nelson Mandela type achievement.  Even a Hillary Clinton, or John McCain type pseudo-achievements would suffice.  (SCHIP, and relations with Vietnam; respectively)

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 07:41PM | 0 recs
Reverend Wright is

not a bigot.  While I do not agree with all he says, and, apparently, neither does Obama, I do not consider it approriate to call Rev. Wright a bigot.

Your support for one of the two candidates, both of whom share essentially the same positions on isuse after issue, is causing you to lose your moral compass.  

by TomP 2008-03-14 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Reverend Wright is

Anyone who condemns whole groups of people as being racists WITHOUT any evidence to that effect; and then goes on to REPEAT that accusation on multiple occasions IS racist.

I agree with the 2nd part of your comment.!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 03:19PM | 0 recs
It won't be enough for the Hillbots

they and the others here at MyHillary.com are unhinged.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 12:50PM | 0 recs
Name calling only makes us "Hillbots"
want to most more and more and more. Would you like that?
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
oops
most=post
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 12:57PM | 0 recs
Sure

please "most" as much as possible.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Sure
I will be happy post. I'm sure the rollercoaster ride is far from over.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 01:01PM | 0 recs
No, please "most" not post

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments
Let me say at the outset that I vehemently disagree and strongly condemn the statements that have been the subject of this controversy. I categorically denounce any statement that disparages our great country or serves to divide us from our allies. I also believe that words that degrade individuals have no place in our public dialogue, whether it's on the campaign stump or in the pulpit. In sum, I reject outright the statements by Rev. Wright that are at issue.

Good for Senator Obama!

by zenful6219 2008-03-14 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

A pretty good response. And a good venue to publish the letter. Of course, I'm  one of only a handful of people here who are willing to say this.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 12:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

This is a good statement by Obama.  I'm not sure if people are really going to buy the notion that these various videos represent nothing but the small handful of times the good Reverend went off his meds over a 20-year period.  But it's not for me to decide.

by Steve M 2008-03-14 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Nonetheless, that probably is the case. Why else would everyone be focusing on the same 2 or 3 clips? If there were hundreds more out there, we'd be seeing them.

by animated 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
One question for Sen. Obama

Rev. Wrights remarks ARE quite shocking, as you said.  Why is it then, that you were unaware of it until you began your Presidential campaign.

For instance, I would have expected that a "God-damn America" statement made 5 days after 9-11 would have been spread from one congregationist to another one, and that every congregationist would have heard about it within days.  

Why is it that this did not happen, as you state ?

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: One question for Sen. Obama

This statement of Obama is frankly too little too late.  And notice nothing specific is mentioned.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 12:54PM | 0 recs
Only too late for people

who weren't supporting him anyway.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Only too late for people

who weren't and apparently never will...as Todd asked them "what are you doing here"?

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 12:59PM | 0 recs
if you make the same comment enough times...

it will come true!

by omar little 2008-03-14 01:10PM | 0 recs
I'm sure Obama will respond to your question

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 12:55PM | 0 recs
I doubt it...

I doubt that there CAN be an answer !!!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: One question for Sen. Obama

That's not how churches work. People don't spread news about inflammatory sermons. Especially not in a decentralized church like the UCC. I attend a UU church in Knoxville, TN. I've missed several services. And given the nature of the church, I probably missed some pretty radical statements. Am I especially responsible for those statements?

by elrod 2008-03-14 01:02PM | 0 recs
That is how churches work ?

It beggars belief that someone could utter "God-damn America" 5 days after 9-11, and that it did not shock the whole audience into puking right there.... why did they not all walk out ?

If you go to a church like that, then you need to stop ASAP!

Wow !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: That is how churches work ?

What are you, a Republican?

Enough with the sanctimonious Patriotic BS, please

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: That is how churches work ?

Have you ever been to a black church? Do you know anything about black Christianity? Here's a hint: they don't muse about America being the City on a Hill.

by elrod 2008-03-14 03:14PM | 0 recs
Re: That is how churches work ?

I have never been to a black church... I seldom go to any churches, as a matter of fact (other than as a tourist).  And if your description is accurate, then I never will !!

I do hope your candidate (I am assuming you support Obama) DOES believe in America as being the City on a Hill.

God help us all if he does not !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 04:03PM | 0 recs
Meant to say this above

What an excellent and heart-felt statement. What a statesman.  Truly outstanding.

Obama IS AMERICA.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Meant to say this above

I have asked you this before - what do you mean by "Obama IS AMERICA"  It is kind of creepy... like "One of us... One of us... One of us.."

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
That's because you haven't caught

the Obama "spirit."  But it will hit you one day.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: That's because you haven't caught

I hope this is snark....

by georgiast 2008-03-14 01:33PM | 0 recs
Too cultish for me.

I have defended Barack Obama on this, but Barack Obama is Barack Obama.  Not Christ, Not God, and Not America.

He'also not Batman or Superman.

I do not seek a person to lose my own personality in.  I want a president, not a cult leader.  

by TomP 2008-03-14 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Too cultish for me.
According to Wright, Obama is like Christ.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
he COULD be batman.

im just saying, its possible, batman didnt have powers, just cool gadgets. Obama could have some gadgets.

by omar little 2008-03-14 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: he COULD be batman.

I don't give a shit about gadgets! I WANT DELEGATES! And he has plenty of them too!

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Holy Moley - He's Batman!?

Could be?  

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-14 01:21PM | 0 recs
aquaman

by omar little 2008-03-14 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Wow, great response. I really hope this settles it for those of us serious about the issue.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 12:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

This does not even come close to settling it !!

by SevenStrings 2008-03-14 12:55PM | 0 recs
Only for you

and the other Hillraisers.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 12:57PM | 0 recs
Not quite

Ha!  You think the rightie noise machine is going to back down because of some post on HuffPo?  

Dream on.

by ocli 2008-03-14 01:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Not quite

Who gives a f*ck what the right wing machine does?

They are going to throw smears both real and false at whoever our candidate is!  One is a black male, the other is a CLINTON!!!

Enough with the paralyzing fear of the right wing.  Screw their noise machine.  We're going to give it a bloody nose and broken collarbone this fall.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:03PM | 0 recs
So that settles it?

Sorry, I thought we were talking about settling it, not outdoing the noise machine with something else. Can't wait to see what you have planned!

by ocli 2008-03-14 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: So that settles it?

Not going to OUTDO the noise machine, just deny it; denounce it; and ignore it for the ranting of losers that it is.  The days of getting all afraid that the Big! Bad! Republican noise machine! is going to attack our guys is over.  They don't have shit this cycle and they know it.  We're going to knock the crap out of their entire party.

In many ways, in fact, Hillary is doing Obama a big favor with her constant stream of BS.  At this point, Obama's going to be able to say to virtually every issue 'well, we dealt with that back in the primary, I'm sure you remember.'

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

This is a huge problem in the g e . There will be parodies and songs and sound bytes replayed over and over again.

by Zorkon 2008-03-14 12:56PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

The claim of clairvoyance by Hillary supporters has been disproven on Feb. 5th, sorry.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:22PM | 0 recs
this is a good statement

Of course Hillary supporters will want him to flog himself bloody, but for most rational citizens/voters this should be good enough. If it isn't I think the campaign was smart to give themselves an opportunity to make a wider more substantial comment (via television interview or an address). It was smart to use huffington as a first line of response.

by highgrade 2008-03-14 12:57PM | 0 recs
Re: this is a good statement

We're not talking about rational voters. Obama needs to stop running against Hillary and start running against McCain.  His base is not raitonal.  We're looking at 8 months of this Wright guy in every ad.  Obama needs to go way more public than HuffPo and explain how he got involved with him in the first place.

by ocli 2008-03-14 01:03PM | 0 recs
Re: this is a good statement

Now he needs to win over McCain's right win nut base? Next thing you will claim that without them, he is clearly unelectable!

If you don't see that yourself: HuffPo is only the start, he will go to all major TV outlets with this and by doing so disproving the Muslim smear for all times.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: this is a good statement
I'm a Hillary supporter and would never ask someone to flog themselves bloody.
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments
This is crazy...
Why respond via the Huffington Post?  It looks like Obama does not want to answer all questions about this matter....take the heat.
I'm sorry, but this is BIG. Those videos are horrid and to shy away from talking directly about this makes Obama look weak and it will not stop the controversy.  
Hey, I remember Hillary Clinton as first lady doing a full and lengthy news conference, taking every single question.  That is what Obama needs to do.
Does Obama shy away from conflict?
(Ha...Ha...to borrow from SNL, Obama needs to "man up")
by jbohio 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

He's going into the lion's den, he's doing an itnerview with Some Murdoch douche tonight, if that goes well thios dies, the man is basically putting it all on the line, or manning up if you will.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

The Field's take on this is worth reading:

The Field takes a very contrary view to that of the conventional wisdom: Given that some public opinion polls say that as much as 13 percent of the electorate still thinks Barack Obama is a Muslim, the more focus on his Christian pastor the more that smear gets permanently erased.

As for the controversy and negatives that Wright's statements bring for some demographic groups that might look at Obama more negatively by association, it's a wash versus the equal-and-opposite controversy and negatives that Geraldine Ferraro, Bill Clinton and others have brought to Senator Clinton by association via race-baiting that is obvious to at least as large a population in other sectors.

And as for how the Wright factor shakes out in a general election campaign vs. McCain, it's no accident that the McCain campaign has already backpedaled from its use of Wright in this morning's talking points. See Ambinder's explanation for why McCain's own religious right supporters make such guilt-by-association comparisons very precarious for the Republican, who has his own skeletons on the pulpit.

Furthermore, when religion becomes an issue in a campaign, there are distinct reactions from different religious demographic groups. Catholics (a group that Clinton has done far better with than Obama) are famously in disagreement with the political views of their own priests and The Church (for example, Catholics support abortion rights in defiance of the Holy See, and in many Catholic households it is a badge of pride to disagree openly with the dictates of Rome or the local pastor on that and other issues). Many Jews similarly cringe at what they perceive as over-the-top anti-black statements from clergy. Most Americans are well used to living with the contradictions of being not in lockstep with clerical opinions. A somewhat embarrassing pastor is a point they have in common with Obama: a potential empathy point if played right.

The bottom line: The more controversy around Obama's Christian pastor, and his refusal to throw him under the bus, the less Obama will have to beat back the (more potentially destructive, `though false) Muslim smears in the fall. One might even say that the Wright controversy is, for Obama, a gift from a god that "speaks in mysterious ways."

Once again, people are worrying too much about "what might offend others," a signature of 1970s, 1980s and 1990s politics. But beyond the partisan feigners of outrage, or the "concern trolls" fretting aloud about how "others" could be turned off, who is really offended out there?

We're in the 21st Century now, when a certain amount of crazy is expected from all religious leaders.

by animated 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
so 'God damn America' is better than being muslim

Well, I guess that is one way to look at it.  But if that is what Obama is counting on saving him on this...heaven help us.

by ocli 2008-03-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Thank you for that. Some very excellent points.

A choice quote:

But beyond the partisan feigners of outrage, or the "concern trolls" fretting aloud about how "others" could be turned off, who is really offended out there?

Who is really offended? Well, I see a lot of feigners here, but I wonder, if taken from proper perspective, who really gives a damn what some pastor said on a handful of occasions? How many people out there have had pastors attack homosexuality? How many Catholics out there belong to a church that is vehemently anti-choice?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:08PM | 0 recs
No feigning

You are right about one thing - I couldn't care less about what any minister says, anywhere, anytime, on any subject. I do not give them extra credence for being a minister.

One thing I do care about is winning the White House in November. Anything that makes that less likely concerns me. I'm glad to see Obama is also taking to the airwaves to fix this, not relying on HuffPo. And I guess if he says the words 'I was in a Christian church' enough, maybe it will help in some way.  Who knows. Sigh.  I hate this kind of politics.

by ocli 2008-03-14 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: No feigning

Agreed.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Obamania is officially over, people.  Done!

He can denounce, reject, whatever.  Its over.

You don't sit through sermon after sermon on Sunday after Sunday and not have a clear idea that this guy is a bigot.  Not only that, but you don't declare to the world that this guy is your "moral compass" and "mentor" without knowing what he is about.

God damn America?  What do you think a tortured war hero will do with this?  What will that war hero gain from combining this with Obama's admitted refusal to wear the American flag?  What will that war hero gain when he combines all of this with Michelle Obama's declaration that until recently she has never been proud of the US?

Answer: the presidency and utter humiliation of the Democratic Party.

Its time to face the music: Obamania is over.

by MKyleM 2008-03-14 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

You think "sermon after sermon" falls along these lines? Don't you think there'd be lots more examples floating around the media right now instead of the same three clips?

Obama didn' sit in that church for 20 years "listening to this."  

by elrod 2008-03-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
LOL

The utter lack of sanity or connection to reality of that statement is pure comedy.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

And only after Wright is exposed does Obama apologize.  Just as the press had to expose Rezko before Obama acknowledged that yet again he had erred.  

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Oh, and where are Hillary's tax returns again?

Mostly joking. It would be ridiculous of me to keep bringing up the same point over and over again.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Wait till April 15th. HRC said that right.

Please wait before making your own conclusions.

by indus 2008-03-14 02:54PM | 0 recs
He'll be on Hannity--your favorite

show.

He'll get some questions there.

But, you Repugs are never satisfied.  Decent people are, though.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-14 01:04PM | 0 recs
Re: He'll be on Hannity--your favorite

Are you serious?

by elrod 2008-03-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Yes.

Gonna stare down that cheap little bully.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-14 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Yes.

Seriously, if he pulls it off tonight, I think it should answer all questions about his toughness, etc. this would be like Bush letting Olberman have an interview, this is straight up ballsy.

by Socraticsilence 2008-03-14 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

Yes, but please keep in mind that you are absolutely against Obama to begin with; a veritable Obama Hater.  You are not the mainstream.  Please try and remember this before making predictions of this nature.

This will be forgotten in a week.  Sure, the GOP will try and use it to attack Obama; but it counters one of their other attacks, that he's muslim.  Can't be both Muslim and have an America-hating preacher at the same time!

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:05PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

What do you base this 'thought' on?

I think it's the same thing as the 'FL and MI will go Republican if we don't revote, myaaah!' meme; it is a construct entirely of one's own mind and desires, placed on to others who have shown no evidence of believing that themselves.  It is projection.

You are correct in one thing: Obama WILL be in the General Election soon enough.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

A projection strengthened by the Obama-hating echo-chamber that is the MyDD rec' list.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Obama just praised Wright on the issue of HIV/Aids???  I thougth Wright said that Aids was invented by the U.S. government to kill black people.  Obama is lieing.  He knew about these statements.  How could he not?  Give me a fucking break.  

by karajan72 2008-03-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

You can't even get your outrage right. The reverend never said that. He said the US was complicit in inaction during the beginning of the HIV/AIDS epidemic, and that greatly and negatively affected blacks (and the gay community). And he's right.

by upstate girl 2008-03-14 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Good on Obama.  Some Clinton supporters won't be satisified until he drops from the race, I'm sure.  Others will accept what he has said/written.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-14 01:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Obama just hopes he can smile and say "i reject" over and over..and all this will just go away.  Well...i don't think so.

by karajan72 2008-03-14 01:07PM | 0 recs
Yes, it will go away and

you'll like it.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

It worked for Hillary (ie Ferraro) in case you missed it.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

This was a first foray into the media with a response. He gets to post his full written response unfiltered for everybody to read and interpret. Now he will face follow-up questions in the mainstream media. He won't be avoiding his topic. He just wanted to get his full position out unedited. This was a smart strategy, whether you agree with his sincerity or not.

by elrod 2008-03-14 01:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

This was a first foray into the media with a response. He gets to post his full written response unfiltered for everybody to read and interpret. Now he will face follow-up questions in the mainstream media. He won't be avoiding his topic. He just wanted to get his full position out unedited. This was a smart strategy, whether you agree with his sincerity or not.

by elrod 2008-03-14 01:07PM | 0 recs
"Wow, just Wow"

is one of the most overused, corny, melodramatic phrases on the net.

by bigdcdem 2008-03-14 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

What does this show about Obama's judgement? This is a man who has been a close personal spiritual advisor, and Obama says this is the first he has heard of it in public or private. If he didn't know about these sort of things why did he call him a crazy uncle? This goes to show his judgement isnt perhaps as keen as people are assuming. And even if you say well let's get past this (and really I could it's all so depressing) what happens when he is picking a SCOTUS judge? Obama says he will not ask for a litmus test on any issue but will "look into the individuals heart and soul" . One can only assume he did that with Wright. And look what happened.

by monstergrrl 2008-03-14 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

You don't have close friends who disagree with you on core political ideologies? People in your life who think and say stupid things, but are still decent people that? That can still give you good advice despite their objectable opinions on other topics?

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I do. But I also know they disagree. Obama claims not to have known his views on such things in public or private. If you want to agree he is being dishonest on that point, then perhaps your point may be discussed. In which case the point then becomes, what else is being dishonest about. Either way it bodes ill.

by monstergrrl 2008-03-14 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

He has discussed this before. It has been a topic for at least a year - at least since February 2007.

He may not have know ALL of Wright's views, but he has discussed his pastor's radicialsm in the past.

by LandStander 2008-03-14 01:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

One angry sermon on a pulpit does not make an opinion. You either take him by his word or you refuse to believe him, that is your choice. Maybe he does hate America. Who am I to know this with certainty? It's just common sense that makes me believe otherwise, the same way I refuse to believe that Clinton is a murderer.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I don't think Obama hates America. I don't think Obama agrees with the sermons. But when he says on HuffPo TODAY, that he had no idea about these comments there are issues with THAT. If you believe he had no idea, then you have to wonder about about his judgement. If you believe he DID know, you have to wonder about his honesty.

For the most part I have stayed away from commenting on the actual sermons. Because I really don't care. They aren't all that offensive to me, it takes ALOT more to offend me then those comments. Likewise the Clintons comments that many have deemed racist do not offend me, nor do I consider them racist.

That being said what DOES offend me is the notion that Clinton can apologise and distance herself from remarks some DO consider racist, and it makes little or no difference to those people. Yet when it comes to Obama, that is all it takes. There is a standard there that does not make sense. And it is THAT lower standard that is at the root of most of the real issues I have with Obama.

by monstergrrl 2008-03-14 02:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Rev. Wright is his SPIRITUAL advisor, not his POLITICAL advisor.  Obama probably seeks his advice about how to live a more Christ-like life (i.e., helping the poor, loving your neighbor)and the finer points of biblical scriptures.

If Obama needs advice on national security matters or foreign policy matters then I'm sure quickly dismisses what Rev. Wright has to say and seeks out foreign policy and national security experts.  It's that SIMPLE.

As a comparison, I have many young friends my age that are from the Deep South.  I am sure many of their of parents, grand parents and other close relatives possess segregationist and racist attitudes but I don't hold that against them.

Now enough with this NON-ISSUE!

by mikelewis68 2008-03-14 03:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?
I don't think this thing is settled by any means. I'm sure there are more than a couple of Republican advertisement firms preparing commercials using Wright's footage, just in case Obama does get the nomination.

To be sure, this issue is not going away. But, as I said earlier, I think we (Democrats) have to take Obama at his word, that he truly rejects the horrible things his spiritual adviser has been telling him.

by zenful6219 2008-03-14 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

This might possibly pop up in the form of some 527 smear, but it's certainly not going to come from McCain or his backers.  They're already running as far from this smear as they possibly can, just like they did with the Muslim smear.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?
You have got to be kidding, right? That's just a lot naive!
by zenful6219 2008-03-14 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

Do you read the press at all? McCain basically apologized because somebody in his campaign brought an WSJ article up that mentioned this!

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

Why?  McCain's clearly terrified at the prospect of doing something stupid and looking racist/sexist here.  There have been repeated stories about the GOP basically hiring focus groups on how to deal with our nominees this fall without those appearances.  

He backed away from the Muslim smear pretty much immediately, denouncing a right wing radio host's comments publicly to the extent that that host is now bashing McCain daily.  He did the same this morning with the Wright story.  

Moreover, if this kind of thing does become an issue, don't you think our side will fire right back?  Do you know who some of the people supporting McCain are?  What they've said?  What they've done?  If this story becomes part of the political debate in the Fall, it's going to be just as damaging to McCain.  He has to deal with both trying to appease the hardcore Christian right, full of people like Hagee, Parsley, Fallwell and Dobson (several of whom have made even more inflammatory comments about 9/11 than even Rev. Wright), and do it without losing the more centrist independents whom he's competing with (and currently losing I might add...) Obama for.  

If he and the Republicans bring this stuff up in the fall, all the stuff from the McCain's fundy backers comes with it.  At worst it's a wash.  At best, Obama is better positioned to toss his guy under the bus than McCain is with his folks.  The McCain campaign will completely disintegrate without those people to do fundraising and GOTV, and he's already on thin ice with them.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Is He Afraid to be Interviewed?

He's going on Hannity and Colmes (which is who dug this dirt up to begin with by the way) this evening to address it.  I'm sure the questioning from Hannity will be more than tough enough for any Hillary supporter... right?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 01:15PM | 0 recs
CNN and MSNBC As Well.

Looks like Obama's hitting all three major cable networks to discuss this tonight:

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 308/A_Wright_media_tour.html

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 01:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I guess this is just another "boneheaded" mistake.  And the Obamabots will consume his empty text as so much Gospel.

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

    I still don`t hear him say WHICH comments he rejects,leaving it open to conjecture.

by gunner 2008-03-14 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

This is what happens when a candidate is not properly vetted.  

Now I understand why Michelle Obama only loved her country after she and her husband's wealth increased with Obama's political ascendence.  

by truthteller2007 2008-03-14 01:22PM | 0 recs
I want to know, why Huffington Post?

I guess Obama became a Obama supporter. He likes blogsphere so much so he had to come to his favorite site to address this very important matter.

Sad reality is Huffington Post can be a holy site for Obama supporters but not for everybody else.

Can't Obama camp be more immature? He needs to have a press conference or at least to give an interview to ABC news to clarify his relation with Rev. Wright.

By the way, I can not believe that he did not know that his 20 year pastor has said horrible remarks until he decided to run for. Probably he had to post a "blog" on Huffington Post because other media could not possible buy his explanation.

It is always the cover-up. I can bet that now so many investigative journalist will begin to find evidences to show that Obama was actually there when Rev. Wright gave controversal sermons. Why did he have to lie which will haunt him later?

by praxis1 2008-03-14 01:24PM | 0 recs
Re: I want to know, why Huffington Post?

He's going on Fox (where the story broke), CNN, and MSNBC tonight to address this.  Mainstream enough?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: I want to know, why Huffington Post?

Thanks for the info. I am glad that he decides to go to the cable news channels. I will certainly look forward to hearing his explanation.

by praxis1 2008-03-14 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I am glad that he is at least starting to address it, but this isn't going to cut it. There is no explaining this away. There just isn't.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Not to fanatic Hillary Cultists, there isn't.  To everyone else, it isn't really that big a deal.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-14 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

To everyone else, it isn't really that big a deal.

Not sure what the firestorm is all about then.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-14 02:43PM | 0 recs
He lost my vote

Obama is saying that Wright just recently started saying offensive things but the statements about 9/11 comments were made several years ago.  Given their relationship I'd find it hard to believe that Obama had no knowledge of these unpatriotic beliefs by his pastor.

Why is he keeping this guy on his campaign?

I get the impression Obama thinks he can get away with anything, that he's gonna just keep on hoodwinking everyone.

Not me.  Last month I voted for him.  I won't again.

by Andiclimber 2008-03-14 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Damn It! Get to work! There last "Evil Rev. Wright (w/VIDEO)" fell of the the rec-list like 20 min. ago.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 01:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Rats! I hate it when the post I'm responding to disappears...this was meant for the lovely TruthTellerXXX.

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-14 01:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Here is the scene... John McCain, Barack Obama.  Presidential debate.  McCain "Why did you attend a church for 20 years that exposes the view that G*d should damn America?"  What is Obama going to say?  Hillary won't ask him that question.. but you can bet McCain will.

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

You don't know shit about McCain and it shows. McCain officially rejected that line of attack today, in case you have missed that.

The only ones really enjoying themselves "concern trolling" this are Hillary cultists and right-wing nut jobs. Sometimes these two groups overlap.

by marcotom 2008-03-14 01:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Senator McCain, why have you accepted the endorsement, support, and funding of people that believe 9/11 to be God's punishment of this great country?  Do you share these views?  Will you denounce these men and their churches?

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 01:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Ok, so maybe McCain won't.  But someone will make an ad from it - the 527 groups maybe?  Of course it's going to happen.  Or maybe we all become happy in our happy puppy and kitty land and hold hands and sing songs.    

by JustJennifer 2008-03-14 02:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Finally, 20 years later! Nothing concentrates the mind I guess like the fierce urgency of now.

by superetendar 2008-03-14 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Quote from a New York Times article......

"If Barack gets past the primary, he might have to publicly distance himself from me," Mr. Wright said with a shrug. "I said it to Barack personally, and he said yeah, that might have to happen."

Here's the link to the full article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/30/us/pol itics/30obama.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

by jbohio 2008-03-14 01:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments
 
 I have had several of my friends who supported BO tell me that after seeing those videos they can no longer vote for him .
by gunner 2008-03-14 01:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Oooh, anecdotes.  

Meanwhile here in the real world, Obama's up over 50% and outside the MOE in the latest national polls for the first time, he's closing the gap in Pennsylvania, he's gotten a 10:1 lead in new super delegate endorsements since Hillary 'won' in Ohio and Texas, and he continues to do better than McCain and Hillary in national electoral matchups.

But it's totally over for him.  The writing is on the wall.  Serious.  

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 02:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Closing the Gap in PA. Dream on Buddy

by indus 2008-03-14 02:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I don't at all expect him to win.  Be is very definitely getting it closer and reducing the number of delegates that Clinton will get when she wins, just like he did in Ohio and Texas.

by Brillobreaks 2008-03-14 03:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

BHO is going to be beat by 15 points

by indus 2008-03-14 06:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

I call BS. Nobody who actually watches those videos would believe that Obama agreed with them - unless they already thought Obama was an America-hating leftist. This is concern trolling at its worst. Obama denounced this as forcefully as possible. He will continue to do so on TV tonight - including on Fox. He isn't running away from this.

by elrod 2008-03-14 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

first lets see if he condemns his pastor on national tv i'm afraid he wants to have it both ways he is not up at all to condemn his followers he did it in huffington post which his crowd dosnt read i have a hunch when he is going to be confronted on national tv he wouldn't condemn wriht in the public only refer to his article in huffington if he wants to have credibility he has unbind himself from wright in full  

by awayer 2008-03-14 02:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama responds at length to Wright's comments

Just does not pass the smell test-  ``never heard him speak such a sermon'' just does not seem plausible.

by ann0nymous 2008-03-14 03:23PM | 0 recs
Why not?

These remarks come from about 3 sermons in the last 8 years. Have you missed three weeks of church in the last 8 years? He's said he wasn't there for the sermons in question.

If he was there then that's a problem of honesty.
And if Pastor Wright said these things on other occasions too then that's a problem too.
But as of now, we have no evidence that Obama sat there approvingly while Pastor Wright made this remarks in front of him. The key, though, is approvingly.

by elrod 2008-03-14 03:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Why not?

Well, first of all Senator Obama has himself said that Rev Wright is
like an uncle who mis-speaks every now and then. So these 3 sermons are not going to be the only ones with crazy rantings.

Why am I so sure- I have seen the likes of really crazy pastors doing it every now and then. Think of Jerry Falwell.  No, what Senator Obama had to provide was proof that he actually confronted Sen Wright with these rantings; otherwise in politics there is always an assumption of guilt.

by ann0nymous 2008-03-14 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Why not?

Actually ABC news reported that they purchsed about 10 sermons from the church and reviewed them. The MSM do not need to reveal everything yet. They can wait until Obama lies. Apparently it worked.

What you have heard is just a part of Rev. Wright remarks. More will come. Unfortunately, Pastor Wright said these things on various occasions. The remarks we saw reflects his philosophy. They are not just accidental remarks.

Fox news just showed a new clip showing that Rev. Wright calling Israel a dirty name. Obama knew and explaine the remark in front of Jewish community in Cleveland. Obama knew that Rev. Wright will be a problem and yes more clips from his sermons and interviews will come.

It is quite unfortunate for Obama that he decided to lie about his knowledge on Rev. Wright's point of view. Very very unfortunate.

by praxis1 2008-03-14 03:43PM | 0 recs
Am I supposed to believe

that in 20 years the two of them never talked about politics or social issues?  He only ever talked to Wright about Jesus?  

come on, Obama.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-03-14 03:58PM | 0 recs

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