When the only network reporting the truth is FOX...

Here is the link

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,3491 14,00.html

Pretty much its talking about how its not over until its over and prior to that point anything can happen.

Notes that the press/Obama was floating rumors of Hillary quitting in New Hampshire and of how she was going to lose

California
Ohio
Texas
Penn

etc

And how they will likely be calling for her to drop out after she likely wins PA.

And how their frantic efforts in PA show that they haven't won this mathematically or they could just coast.

Sad when simple honest information based on the truth is available on FOX but not MSNBC or CNN.

I will never trust MSNBC again and will mistrust the press in general MUCH MUCH more for the rest of my life.  If fact even the DNC will never again have my trust after turning their backs on votes and revotes.

And when it comes to the forces of evil who support Obama at the expense of truth who have created this media propaganda I will oppose them too because they are evil.  It may get me banned from MyDD but I say it again, the forces that support Obama at the expense of free fair media, free fair elections, the right to vote without threats, the right of a party to determine its own nominee, the premise of equality with regards to race, the premise of equality with regards to gender- those forces are evil.

1984 evil.
kkk evil.
EVIL as in the opposite of people I would ever vote for.

Links to for people who live in a cave or don't remember

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/2/27/ 153044/184
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archive s/2008/01/hillary_clinton_quitting_campa ign_

http://www.newsweek.com/id/114725

http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/pol ls/approval-ratings/17559/polls-obama-an d-mccain-gaining-and-obama-pulls-ahead-i n-california

http://www.prnewsnow.com/Public_Release/ African_American_Interests/181980.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21225970/

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Comments

67 Comments

Oooooookay

The forces of evil at the expense of truth, wow okay. Umm, you need to maybe take a bit of a vacation. Get out of the echo chamber.

Senator Obama is working hard in Pennsylvania because he works hard in every state. He doesn't subscribe to the theory that some states matter and others don't. That is why he is ahead in delegates, votes, and contests.

by Obama Independent 2008-04-10 08:49AM | 0 recs
Aw jeez.

When the "truth" you're looking for is only broadcast by Fox Noise, your definition of what is true needs some serious adjustments.

And when it comes to the forces of evil who support Obama at the expense of truth who have created this media propaganda I will oppose them too because they are evil.

Even better. Fox Noise is "true", Obama is "evil". Warped priorities much?

by MBNYC 2008-04-10 08:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Aw jeez.

did you read who the author is?  a dem.

by canadian gal 2008-04-10 10:28AM | 0 recs
So, presumably

is the author of this diary. At least in name.

by MBNYC 2008-04-10 02:35PM | 0 recs
Oh, and

re: your ridiculous poll, I voted for "I support evil in all its forms".

Amid the embarrassment of this diary, at least you had the good grace to offer up an opportunity for unintentional snark.

by MBNYC 2008-04-10 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, and

I voted "It's only evil when it happens to me"...  it is all about me, so that should surprise no one...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 08:58AM | 0 recs
Another good choice.

Perhaps this diary is redeemable as a vehicle for unintentional humor.

by MBNYC 2008-04-10 09:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Another good choice.

I thought about hitting recommend purely for that, but I didn't like the message it would send about my views on Faux Noise so I didn't....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Who Says Fox is Reporting Truth?

Fox is selling you spin, just the same as MSNBC is doing.

Don't be fooled:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0814,br uise-brother,396288,1.html/full

by Tennessean 2008-04-10 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Who Says Fox is Reporting Truth?

Fox wants the Dem competition to extend to the primary b/c they know it will hurt our party.

"In fact even the DNC will never again have my trust after turning their backs on votes and revotes."

Does Hillary lose your trust for being against the original votes when speaking up would have counted -- i.e. before the primaries?

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-04-10 09:36AM | 0 recs
Re: Who Says Fox is Reporting Truth?
Olberman speaks truth to power!
by lion king 2008-04-10 03:35PM | 0 recs
The Forces Of Evil?

Wellll,OK. (tiptoeing slowly away)

by toyomama 2008-04-10 08:53AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

Heh. When the only network reporting the truth is FOX, you know you're a hardcore Clinton supporter.

She's the only person I've heard making this claim. Obama recently admitted he would likely lose Pennsylvania, while certainly expressing appreciation the polls weren't showing a 26-point split anymore.

But this is coming from someone who makes up numbers about how many Democrats voted for Clinton, and then says any independent/Republicans who want to become a part of the Democratic party should get lost, and come back in November to vote for whomever the "REAL" Democrats pick, like good little boys and girls.

So, take it with a grain of salt.

by ragekage 2008-04-10 08:54AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

I can see truth myself.

Fact:  Obama and his machine are VERY MUCH trying to deal with Hillary.

Fact:  This is not a logical course of action if she is mathematically eliminated from victory.

Fact:  This along with the current overwhelming democratic party members  voting for Hillary not being reported represents a likley bias among "mainstream" media.

When my opponent speaks truth it doesn't cease to be truth.
When my "friends" lie it doesn't become true.

When my "friends" lie, try and destroy democracy by intimidation, try and destroy democracy by censorship, try to destroy democracy by not counting votes  etc.... they cease to some degree to be my friends.

I am not alone in this.

by DTaylor 2008-04-10 09:11AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

and when "my friends" try to convince me that Faux Noise is right about anything, they don't cease to be my friends, but I do laugh at them... a lot...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:13AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

Even a broken clock is right twice per day.

by DTaylor 2008-04-10 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

I wouldn't recommend using a broken clock to tell time.  You might be correct twice a day, but not only are you wrong the rest of the time, but you have no idea when you are right...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

Of course it's logical - she continues to hammer away at him, so he has to hammer back or risk being branded, even if the nomination is a foregone conclusion.  It's really that simple.  He's not going to let himself suffer the same fate as John Kerry.

by rfahey22 2008-04-10 10:11AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

Ok, I'll play along.

FACT: You are being disingenuous when you tell me, and other Independents, to get lost in the spring, but you want my vote in the fall. You can't have it both ways.

by zep93 2008-04-10 12:16PM | 0 recs
Hmm.

I suggest you read Sricki's diary on the top of the rec list here.

Also, Obama supporters are evil? Really?

by shef 2008-04-10 08:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm.

I read it and found it hypocritical.

by soyousay 2008-04-10 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm.
Yes, yes, we know.
by sricki 2008-04-10 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm.

I dug it...  you are still a Hillary supporter, but did not feel the need to trash Obama at the same time...

Would that worked for more people on both sides, we could probably have some pretty substantive discussions around here....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm.
But it's very poorly received by most Hillary supporters. That's how angry some of us are. I think it will get better in time, though. I think a lot of Hillary supporters refrained from commenting on that diary because they were either resentful that I'd become a "traitor", or they weren't sure whether they were the ones I considered "overzealous". As I said, it's a very small group of people. I've been outspoken and rude plenty of times, and I'd venture to say that the majority of Clinton supporters around here have been. That doesn't make someone overzealous. I'm just talking about the ones who call Obama a "chickensh*t" in public (you can probably find that person's comments in the hide bin), a closet Muslim, etc. I doubt I'll be very popular with other Hillary supporters around here for awhile, but oh well. There's no point in doing anything for the sake of popularity.
by sricki 2008-04-10 09:36AM | 0 recs
lol

you are just another member here, not that important.  The "i am above it all" stance is an old tired one.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-10 09:49AM | 0 recs
Re: lol

Well, to be honest, your insults to other posters are becoming tiresome as well...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: lol

I don't know about it being 'old and tired'...but, it is certainly a stance you'd never be able to take.

How often do you have to wipe the spittle off of your screen? Are you always so angry and irrational...or just when discussing politics?

by Kysen 2008-04-10 10:08AM | 0 recs
Re: lol
I'm not above much of anything. I'm above calling Obama a closet Muslim and a lying affirmative action candidate, but that's about it. We're all important -- including you. I know I -- and many other Hillary supporters -- have made a difference by donating money and making hundreds of calls for her. Even in states she didn't win, we helped get GOTV, and with proportional distribution of delegates, that was enough to make a difference. I will continue to give what money I can, and I will continue to donate my time, especially on weekends. I'll fight for every delegate. I'm just not in the mood to slam Obama anymore. Frankly, I'm utterly exhausted by it. I don't have the energy anymore.
by sricki 2008-04-10 10:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Hmm.

well, he did change her mind, if that's what you mean.

by shef 2008-04-10 11:16AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

It's sad that I read this diary while simultaneously watching Austin Powers, so every line in my head had Dr. Evil's voiceover...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

My mother also says Fox is the only ones telling the truth. LOL.

by Becky G 2008-04-10 09:01AM | 0 recs
Speaking of expectations...

Does anyone have the numbers from the -now infamous- delegate spreadsheet that was leaked to Bloomberg...I was wondering how it was shaping up. It would make a nice diary, too. I suspect that they had a loss in the PA column, but I was interested to see what other state predictions looked like. My recollection is that the spreadsheet had been performing right at 'dead on'...which should not surprise because it is obvious that the Obama campaign is being run well.

by Newcomer 2008-04-10 09:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of expectations...

I think it was lose PA by 7.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-10 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of expectations...

They predict a 52/47 split in Pennsylvania with a +8 delegate gain for Senator Clinton.

Spreadsheet found here:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0 208/Obamas_projections.html

A post I wrote on DKos about the math found here:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/9/3 3625/71255/668/492595

by Obama Independent 2008-04-10 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Speaking of expectations...

Thanks to you both...

by Newcomer 2008-04-10 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re

Fox is insturctive as to what is coming down the pike lots of time. The next thing is the Obama/Ayers connection apparently.

by Ga6thDem 2008-04-10 09:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

can we remember that when next they slam Hillary...? They will get back to that as she is a Democrat... and they hate Democrats...

Obama is merely the target du jour....

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

Are you standing up to MSNBC for their Hillary bashing? I'm willing to bet you are cheering every minute of it right?

Yes, Fox is not fair to democrats but unfortunately they've seemed, at times, to be fairer than many so called "progressives." So sad.

by Ga6thDem 2008-04-10 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

You have, at most two or three incidences of "Hillary bashing" that you can pin on MSNBC, all of which were dealt with. Fox News is a media organization that for the last decade has been dedicated to tearing down progressives and building up neocons. There is no comparison between the two.

by amiches 2008-04-10 09:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

Sorry, but MSNBC treats Hillary overall the same way that Fox treats Democrats overall. Failure to recognize that fact has been a huge problem for so called "progressives".

by Ga6thDem 2008-04-10 09:39AM | 0 recs
Self-reflection may be in order

You may want to ask yourself why they do a lot of negative reporting on Clinton (barring Chris Matthews, who has an admittedly unreasonable hatred for her).

Is it because they're anti-Clinton, or because Clinton's campaign might have done something wrong?  They seem to be a lot more charitable since Mark Penn stepped down...

by Dracomicron 2008-04-10 09:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Self-reflection may be in order

Why do Obama supporters also look for someone else to blame or make excuses? The fact of the matter is that them not being fair should be a concern to you. If Obama gets the nomination, he will get the same treatment. Big Tent Democrat has done tons of posts of this kind of stuff over at talkleft. He's right. You can't legitimize people like Drudge then yell when they turn against your candidate. And it will happen.

by Ga6thDem 2008-04-10 10:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Self-reflection may be in order

That works both ways....

On several pro-Hillary sites, I have seen Fox extolled in the same manner that it is being extolled here...  

"You can't legitimatize people... and then yell when they turn against your candidate"... I agree and that pretty much sums up why we should not be legitimizing Fox news!

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 10:12AM | 0 recs
baloney

there are hours worth of Hillary haters on msnbc every single day.  Tweety and Obamamann are two hours worth themselves every single day.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-10 10:04AM | 0 recs
Re: baloney

Disagreeing with your candidate isn't "hate".

by amiches 2008-04-10 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

I tend to get my news from several different sources to eliminate bias...  European news agencies are great for an unvarnished look at the Iraq war for example...

But my point is, this cheerleading of Fox is not only sad it is ridiculous...

If Bill Kristol, Ann Coulter, and Michelle Malkin start bashing Obama will they become the new paragons of truthiness for some people...?

I think there is a lot of bias... not the least of which is either anti-Obama or pro-Clinton bias by some supporters....Extolling the virtues of those who tell you what you want to hear.  That works both ways as well...  The pro-Obama or anti-Clinton bias as well...

Relying on a single source for news is a bad idea regardless...  It is a dangerous idea if that one source is Fox... unless you truly believe Saddam was behind 9/11

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

Do you have a problem with people listening to MSNBC as their sole source too?

by Ga6thDem 2008-04-10 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Re

I think a sole source of anything is at risk for bias...

But, if the bias suits your own bias, I can see why people gravitate towards it.  People tend to prefer opinions that either mirror or validate their own.

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

If I were alone in an elevator with you, I would fear for my life.

rec'd!

by Mostly 2008-04-10 09:09AM | 0 recs
Might be time to back up the truck

again. We have a term for those who find aid and comfort in Fox News: right wing nutters.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-04-10 09:11AM | 0 recs
We should never praise FOX
for any reason. If Hillary got the nomination, they'd turn and become more vicious toward her than ever before. A couple of months ago, Hannity actually did a segment on the "suspicious" death of Vince Foster. All these years, and the GOP is still stuck on that. Fox is dominated by Republicans, and there's no one the GOP hates more than Bill and Hillary.
by sricki 2008-04-10 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: We should never praise FOX

Agreed... and Karl frikkin' Rove is on their payroll....!  

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:26AM | 0 recs
We've Truly

Walked through the looking glass, when Hillary supporters are finding their 'truth' on Fox news.

A few days ago there was a diary where there were gushing comments about how 'cute' Joe Scarborough was, because of the nice things he was saying about Hillary.

What's next? Will Pat Buchanan get voted 'favorite boy toy' in a diary poll?

by toyomama 2008-04-10 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: We've Truly

You may be shocked to hear that true liberals love the truth and a fair press even more than they hate FOX.

You may further be surprised that some of them love democracy more than the democratic party..

Some of us believe things and are not just drawn to the light of power.

by DTaylor 2008-04-10 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: We've Truly

and many of us believe that Fox will continue its long and storied tradition of reporting things that serve the GOP's purposes....

They are a Right-wing echo chamber...  I would be fact-checking them on the weather against two other sources...

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: We've Truly

Fox is by definition the opposite of "truth and a fair press".

by amiches 2008-04-10 09:30AM | 0 recs
Pat is a lot more rational

than some of the liberals who can not see past their bandwagon support for Obama.  It is a pity that you can not see that.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-10 09:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Pat is a lot more rational

Wait... Pat Buchanan is rational...?  Just recently told a fellow commentator to "shut up"....  but he's rational?

Did you not hear the speech in 1992 at the convention where he excoriated everything having to do with the Democratic party including the Clintons (both of them) or is your anti-Obama bias showing...?

by JenKinFLA 2008-04-10 10:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Pat is a lot more rational
Pat Buchanan is not just a right wingnut.
His views and political philosophy coincide with the era of that other Buchanan:
President James Buchanan (1857-1861)
by toyomama 2008-04-10 12:42PM | 0 recs
A candidate's worst enemy

Sometimes I think it is a tiny minority of a candidate's own supporters who are a candidate's worst enemy.

Or to put it another way, Fox News has not had an over night conversion, it is the same old, playing the same old game.

by My Ob 2008-04-10 09:35AM | 0 recs
That article isn't bad

The article is fairly reasonable and well-written, but it fails to mention the fact that, if we look at the same trends that she's citing, who wins or loses the states makes no difference in electability, since proportional delegates ensure that a near win is basically the same as a draw.  Obama played the margins in February to rack up a huge advantage, and all he has to do now is to keep it close in Clinton strongholds to prove to the superdelegates that he can drum up largescale support in hostile territory.

Obama has not been telling her to drop out or challenging Clinton's moving of the goal posts each time, because it fits in with the 50 state strategy; he'd be campaigning in all of these places anyway.  Clinton being there too just gives the race more excitement.  A knockout blow would be nice, but Obama never expected to get one; he respects Clinton's power as a campaigner too much to do that.

Anyway, if supporting Obama is evil, then I don't want to be good.

by Dracomicron 2008-04-10 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only network reporting the truth is F

Communications researchers talk about a phenomena called "selective exposure." This means that people gravitate to media sources where the point of view is consistent with their own.

That's all that's going on here. You like the point of view on Fox because it comports with your own so you've decided it's the unbiased source.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-10 09:47AM | 0 recs
I sometimes watch Fox and have

done so in 2004 during the primaries too.  Why?  Because they hate all democrats equally.  Therefor when they have someone on covering a primary or issue, they don't have to pretend that person is non partisan.  When I watch MSNBC or CNN they have Donna B. on and list her as a democratic strategist rather than an Obama supporter.  That's ridiculous and it is even worse that there is a two hour block of Clinton hate from Tweety and KO every night.  These people don't even try to be objective, they can't.  So yeah, fox can be a relief at times...but only when discussing the democratic primaries.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-10 09:56AM | 0 recs
This diary is kkk evil.

FOX News?  Come back to earth.

by McNasty 2008-04-10 10:00AM | 0 recs
only network reporting the truth is FOX...
After watching MSNBC, CNN, & FOX NEWS, it seems that the NEWS Media has entered a virtual HOUSE of Funny Mirrors, where MSNBC & CNN are appearing as FOX NEWS has and FOX NEWS is sounding and appearing as the other two.  My question is the following:
Will the REAL FOX NEWS PLEASE STAND UP?
by Check077 2008-04-10 10:29AM | 0 recs
Smooth dELEICIOUS pcp

I'd like to point out how close one of the opions availible in the poll is to Ann Coulter's: "Obama's book is like Mein Kampf" rant but I'm afraid if I do Furher Obama will send me to the camps :)

Seriously, though Dude, It hink you need to take a vaction because your starting to lose it, "forces of evil" wtf is this 1995, are you going to start distributing a list of the people Obama killed because if so, you moght wnat tone it down a bit, not even Hillary's new bud Sciafe used this level of hyperbole your making it sound like Barack's in league with Satan.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-10 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: When the only

Will the REAL FOX NEWS PLEASE STAND UP?

What do you mean they haven't changed a bit, they were also the only network with the courage to report the "truth" in the 1990s, and  they're the only ones Brave enough to lay out the facts about Bill's culpability for 9-11! Or wait, are they only honest when they talk about Obama is the stuff the say about Hillary just lies? Because is that's the case then they're proabably lying about Barack as well.

by Socraticsilence 2008-04-10 10:35AM | 0 recs

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