Hotline tracking an outlier?

Hotline has the national race suddenly narrowing to two points with the following analysis.

-- The race has tightened in the last day. After trailing by 5-7 pts. for the last 10 days, McCain is now just 2 pts. behind Obama.

--One potential reason: Obama's one-time lead on the question of who'd best handle the economy has evaporated. Today, Obama and McCain are tied at 42%. Independent voters favor McCain on the economy by an 8 pt. margin (42-34%).

Rasmussen still has a wider lead, but the Reuters/Zogby tracking poll has it much closer.

Not suggesting that we panic.  I'm just suggesting that we not spend so much time doing victory dances.  There's still plenty of time for McCain to pull it off.  

Focus.

Tags: Hotline, Rasmussen, Reuters, tracking polls, Zogby (all tags)

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Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Its likely just one day of bad polling.  Rasmussen, Gallup and Zogby have not moved in that fashion at all.  

by Marylander 2008-10-07 07:40AM | 0 recs
There is a VERY real possibility that this is just

the BEGINNING of an economic meltdown, and Obama could differentiate himself by being a candidate who understood that and was actually going to protect the former middle class from the greater than 1 in 5 chance that they will have to declare bankruptcy because of medical debt.

(1 in 7 chance for people who were "insured" at the time they became ill, but whose insurance did not cover enough of their medical debts to prevent their financial impoverishment)

Hillary Clinton did this by promising that Federal subsidies would ensure that nobody paid more than 10% of their illness on all medical costs, both insurance and co-pays.

IT CAN BE DONE. HILLARY'S ADVISORS PROVED THIS MATHEMATICALLY.

by architek 2008-10-07 08:14AM | 0 recs
Gallup Daily now out

Gallup has Obama up by nine.  Hotline Diageo is an outlier among the four trackers:

Obama 51
McCain 42

Yesterday was:

Obama 50
McCain 42

by Beltway Dem 2008-10-07 09:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Hotline polls far fewer people than Rasmussen and Gallup and has less stringent guidelines, I'm sure. That said, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't a leader instead of an outlier. The race was bound to tighten a bit. After Obama holds his own in the town hall debate and shows McCain up, look for the nujmbers to get higher.

by vcalzone 2008-10-07 07:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Outlier. MSNBC this morning spent considerable time on a poll (WSJ?) showing that Obama basically leads by comfortable margins across the board on economic issues--who's better for the economy, the housing crisis, etc.

I don't have much faith in polls showing Obama leading by 10 or 12 points nationally, and by large margins in places like North Carolina and Virginia, but I don't think it's a 2-point race, either.

Needless to say, I'm sure every wretched pundit show will convene a roundtable of journalists and analysts to discuss this poll, why Obama is now "fading" and how McCain has "seized momentum." You know, just like with the celebrity ad, which I think about 12 people ever actually saw.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-10-07 07:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

I can hear them now

"What can Obama do to stop his slide?"

Nov 4th can't come soon enough.

by WashStateBlue 2008-10-07 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Zogby poll suggests the race is within the margin of error. Two things:

1) I do not trust any Zogby polls and off late he has been hedging his bets more than anything else

2) This is my personal opinion but I thought that even though Biden "won" the debate, it did result in the resurrection of the Republican ticket. I for one advocated a far tougher approach. I rather have them whine about sexism than see then rejuvenated. I thought the Obama campaign especially Biden did a disservice in handling Palin with kiddie-gloves...she is running for the VP for chrissakes!

by tarheel74 2008-10-07 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Its all about Party ID in these polls.   Obama leading with ID at 2% is a good thing as well.   I think Dems will turn out bigger than that mark, personally.

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-07 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

that is precisely the reason you want a demoralized and crushed opponent. To not do so when you get the chance is folly.

by tarheel74 2008-10-07 09:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

They changed their party ID weighting to +2 Dem.

by Iago 2008-10-07 07:56AM | 0 recs
+2 Dem?

I'd heard Buchanan spouting this nonsense last night; I can't see the party ID catching up that much in this short a time.

Shenanigans.

by Dracomicron 2008-10-07 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: +2 Dem?

Same here.  I just think they wanted to keep the race competitive.  Or is it possible a McCain flack pressured them?  That sounds awfully cynical, but then again, look at who we're dealing with.

by wilder 2008-10-07 08:17AM | 0 recs
It's ridiculous

Obama had massive voter registration drives in practically every state during the primaries while McCain cruised around South America and the Middle East.  How plausable is it that hundreds of thousands of people just up and decided to start believing in the Republican brand because an attractive hockey mom and rookie governor is on the ticket?

by Dracomicron 2008-10-07 08:42AM | 0 recs
Re: It's ridiculous

I stopped at the Obama headquarters in Atlanta yesterday, the last day for registration in Georgia, and the staff on duty told me it was a crazy day.   It was one of the biggest registration days yet.  They actually had to have a police officer come and help crowd control because so many people were registering.

That is not to say that the GOP was not also registering, but I think a +2 Democratic advantage in 2008 is way too low.

by gavoter 2008-10-07 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Exactly.  It was +6 before.  

by wilder 2008-10-07 08:16AM | 0 recs
Ah!

Thanks.  That's reassuring.

by Drummond 2008-10-07 09:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

If they are going with a +2 Dem party id going forward, I imagine that Hotline's tracker will be close through Nov. 4.

by rfahey22 2008-10-07 08:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Missed that... We have a winner!

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-07 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Hotline doesn't push undecideds... not the way Rasmussen and Gallup do.

by yitbos96bb 2008-10-07 08:34AM | 0 recs
Re: FOCUS

BOFUS?

by QTG 2008-10-07 08:40AM | 0 recs
Economy

The hotline poll had some numbers that went against the trend earlier. In the days after Sep. 15th, when the economy started playing a major role, they had McCain going up on the economy, while Obama was going down.

That didn't match other trackers at all.

One individual tracking polls numbers don't mean much. Also remember that, after the first debate, Gallup dropped back to 46-46, which turned out to be a blip.

If the overall trend for all of them is downwards, then you have something. Otherwise, it doesnt mean much.

by Frank 2008-10-07 08:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Economy

This is all true, but keep in mind - if Hotline continues weighting their polls with +2 Dem i.d., then its polls will probably reflect a close race for the remainder of the election.

by rfahey22 2008-10-07 09:05AM | 0 recs
A number of polls the last

couple of days have shown some tightening of the race.  It's hard to know what to do with this data, especially with so many polls suggesting Obama enjoys a wide lead.  It is possible that the Ayers attacks have caused some doubt among various supporters of Barack Obama.  I think three things are interesting:

1.  Obama has declined in some polls the past few days; but

2.  John McCain has not risen; and

3.  Obama continues to lead in all polls.

McCain and Palin are trying to introduce doubt about Obama, and we may be seeing some hesitation in a segment of voters.  I think Obama will reassure people this evening with his performance, and things should be okay again soon across the board.

by Beltway Dem 2008-10-07 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: A number of polls the last

I fully expect the polls to tighten.  I believe Obama will win, but I think his absolute ceiling is 53 or 54% if everything goes perfectly for him and McCain does everything wrong.  And that won't happen.  Most likely he'll come out right about at 50 percent.

by Drummond 2008-10-07 10:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

It must be because Gallup has the race at 9 points.

by RandyMI 2008-10-07 09:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Yep, today's numbers (October 7th) just came out and Obama is UP 1 to 51 and McCain is stable at 42.  

Gallup is a tracking poll so if this race was tightening, Obama should not have his lead increasing.  Except for a tie back on the 24th, Obama has now held the lead since September 16 in the Gallup tracking poll.  

I am not trying to get over confident, but 3 weeks of being ahead with only 4 weeks to go, is a very nice place to be.

by gavoter 2008-10-07 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/search/la bel/pollster%20ratings

As the above link demonstrates, Zogby and CBS (but Zogby in particular) are like throwing darts at a board, not very good record of getting things right.  

While I don't like their politics, Rasmussen is one of the most reliable pollsters out there.  

Sadly Gallup is not all that accurate in predicting absolute margins but are useful for demonstrating a trend line.

by nextgen 2008-10-07 09:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

What are "absolute margins?"

by Drummond 2008-10-07 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Hotline tracking an outlier?

Oh, never mind.

by Drummond 2008-10-07 10:02AM | 0 recs
New party ID

I don't know why they changed party ID from +6 to +2, but that accounts for the whole change.

by elrod 2008-10-07 09:36AM | 0 recs

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