NBC: Shuster Suspended

Just checked my email.  I had sent an email urging David Shuster be fired for his comments regarding Chelsea Clinton.

The response I received reads as follows:


On Thursday's "Tucker" on MSNBC, David Shuster, who was serving as guest-host of the program, made a comment about Chelsea Clinton and the Clinton campaign that was irresponsible and inappropriate.  Shuster, who apologized this morning on MSNBC and will again this evening, has been suspended from appearing on all NBC News broadcasts, other than to make his apology.  He has also extended an apology to the Clinton family.  NBC News takes these matters seriously, and offers our sincere regrets to the Clintons for the remarks.

Steve Capus

NBC News President

Update: This marks the second time in just a few weeks that major contributors on MSNBC have had to apologize for disgusting attacks on Hillary Clinton and her campaign (and Chelsea). MSNBC has a very clear problem they need to address and a simple apology this time isn't enough. Tucker, Joe, Matthews need to clean up their act and play it down the middle. Guests like Eugene Robinson, Mike Barnicle, and Jonathan Alter also cannot be allowed to act as though they are not supporting a candidate while they clearly are.

Tags: Chelsea Clinton, david shuster, MSNBC (all tags)



Re: NBC: Shuster Suspended

The whole network is a disgrace.

I don't remember the last time i watch it.

by lori 2008-02-08 11:48AM | 0 recs
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One down... many to go.

by RJEvans 2008-02-08 11:48AM | 0 recs
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His apology tonight better be a lot better than that lame excuse-making he did this morning.

by LakersFan 2008-02-08 11:49AM | 0 recs
they should suspend everyone for clear bias

it really has gone over the top.

The other networks do it too, but msnbc is the ring leader.

by yellowdem1129 2008-02-08 11:50AM | 0 recs
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MSNBC called the Elizabeth or Michelle whores? Missed that, do you have video, that's outrageous!

by fairleft 2008-02-08 11:54AM | 0 recs
Shuster Doesn't Deserve This

This is really silly. Grow up people. This is not a hateful guy and has been a rather fair reporter.

by demwords 2008-02-08 12:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Shuster Doesn't Deserve This

He's a below average reporter with a clear bias.  Good riddance.

by DemJedi 2008-02-08 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Shuster Doesn't Deserve This

My guess is that you have never actually seen him on the air...since you have no idea about his reportage. We have to get over all this thin skin stuff or the dems are going to look like the Silly Party.

by demwords 2008-02-08 12:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Shuster Doesn't Deserve This

If Democrats won't take a stand against blatant sexism from the networks, who will?

by hwc 2008-02-08 12:32PM | 0 recs
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That wasn't sexist...it was just a bad use of a vernacular.
This is silly.
by demwords 2008-02-08 01:35PM | 0 recs
Yeah, this is a bit heavyhanded

What he said was dickish (especially given who it involved), but if you suspended everyone for dickish on-air comments, Chris Matthews would've been out ten years ago. Shuster is not half as obnoxious as Matthews or Carlson and is twice the journalist (he did great work on the CIA leak case).

by Shawn 2008-02-08 12:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, this is a bit heavyhanded

I feel the same way as you. Matthews and others on MSNBC clearly have some gender issues, and I think they tend to act like sportscasters more than journalists when covering the primaries. However Schuster did do some much-needed, in-depth reporting during the Libby case/scandal (his level of detail was quite impressing). And, he can ba a valuable journalist in interviews with bullshit artists that call for confrontation. His comment was stupid, but it makes no sense to fire him. A better solution would have just been a more substantial apology plus a network-wide grilling from the execs and management. Also, they could perhaps balance the commentary with more (assertive) female guests, like Rachel Maddow, who wouldn't let this pass unchallenged.

Ultimately, I'm just not a big fan of placing so much significance one stupid remark. I tends to chill open expression, which is critical to opinionated shows like Hardball, Tucker, etc. People can be a little too sensitive for my tastes when it comes to stuff like this. Moreover, Lou Dobbs says something far more offensive on a nightly basis.

Again, though, I agree that MSNBC needs to do something to address the unique kind of gender-insensitivity that seems to come from many of its personnel. Schuster just doesn't seem like one of the consistent offenders.

by DPW 2008-02-08 12:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Yeah, this is a bit heavyhanded

Should say "It tends to chill . . ."

by DPW 2008-02-08 12:45PM | 0 recs
Chris Matthews would've been out ten years ago.

duh...that's the point.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Matthews would've been out ten years ago

bah, i've read all the shit at media matters most of it is just him complementing women on being attractive, which is hardly sexist
telling a woman they're pretty is not sexist.
 some of his recent remarks on clinton are a little dunious, but by and large he just has a big mouth.

fuck knows, he's no worse then joe biden.

by Soltare 2008-02-08 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Chris Matthews would've been out ten years ago
by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 03:04PM | 0 recs
The point is...

Shuster is probably the least offensive person on the network, and he's the one going off the air for a while. It's like Fox News saying "Maybe we are too biased" and axing Alan Colmes.

by Shawn 2008-02-08 01:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Shuster Doesn't Deserve This

OK, fine... what if Shuster had been talking about one of Obama's daughters... how do you think the "pimp" remark would been received?  Would people be making the same excuses about as they are now? I don't really think so.

by dragoneyes 2008-02-08 01:53PM | 0 recs
Re: I am sorry you don't get it

It is petty and stupid to have vitriol toward Shuster. Jumping to the "racism" and "sexism" barricades at every opportunity is so last century. Grow up people!!!

by demwords 2008-02-08 05:36PM | 0 recs
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is he suspended?

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-08 12:04PM | 0 recs
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oh sorry i cant read

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-08 12:05PM | 0 recs
I've read that

Schuster refused to apologize until NBC made clear it would fire him if he did not apologize.  I am sure his apology for implying that Chelsea is a ----- comes straight from the heart.

by Beltway Dem 2008-02-08 12:11PM | 0 recs
Re: I've read that

What? he apologized on morning joe, this morning.
 he on;y made the comment yesterday.

and it wasnt even that sexist.

he used pimping out in a clearly vernacular sense.
 unless you guys are going to literally maintain he meant they were gonna prostitute her.

by Soltare 2008-02-08 12:22PM | 0 recs
Re: I've read that


you guys are overreacting and making complete asses out of yourselves.
 grow up, his statement was not that bad, and certainly should not warrant getting fired.

it was an honest mistake and you people are making it seem like he called her a fucking whore.

you are letting your own bias cloud your judgment and it just makes you all look pathetic.

for shame.

by Soltare 2008-02-08 12:29PM | 0 recs
youre an idiot

it is like calling her a f%cking whore.


by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 12:59PM | 0 recs
Re: I've read that

Guess you don't have any daughters Soltare....you disgust me.

Is this what the Obama Democratic Party will stand for?  Explaining away sexism and outrageous statements from the media?

by bdog 2008-02-08 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: I've read that

Yeah - I read that too - I think it was Taylor Marsh who said Shuster dug in his heels and originally refused to apologize.

Oh - just found some of it - here's part of what she said on her blog:

"That any professional journalist 'stood his ground' after the comments Shuster made illustrates that he obviously didn't think anyone at the network cared if he smeared Chelsea Clinton or Hillary. The arrogance of this behavior by Shuster obviously comes from the atmosphere at MSNBC. Fish always rot from the head."



So, the big kahuna, NBC, had to step in and fix the giant mess Shuster made. After all, if Clinton actually bowed out of the debate because of this, it would not only cost NBC money, it would be such a HUGE embarrassment for the network.

This is really a shame, though. David Shuster was such a good reporter on the Libby case and others. Arrogance and NBC's top-down policy to "select" the candidate (like when Jack Welch set network policy to get George W. Bush elected) did Shuster in - with our help, of course.  

by Firefly4625 2008-02-08 12:30PM | 0 recs

you got it.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 01:02PM | 0 recs
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This is pretty sad. Shuster's only bias was pro-Edwards and I truly hope this overreaction to his comment doesn't cost him his job. He is a smart guy and a good correspondent.

by beanbagz 2008-02-08 12:24PM | 0 recs
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she wasnt compared to a prostitute, that is taking his statement out of context.

he used pimping out in the sense of forcefully promoting something.

for example, bill is pimping out that vodka brand of his.

seriously guys, get over yourselves

by Soltare 2008-02-08 12:24PM | 0 recs
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I'm sorry people troll rated you for your comment. The perpetual victims and whiners here like to lash out if you disagree with the mob.

by beanbagz 2008-02-08 12:33PM | 0 recs
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i don't care if people troll rate me, i do spend a fair bit of time trolling.

but this shit is getting ridiculous, it's like some of these people don't understand that his career and livelihood are on the line.

it's one thing if it's pure rhetoric, or just a pointless spat, but once peoples actually lives and careers get threatened it crosses the line.

and over what appears to be an honest mistake.

by Soltare 2008-02-08 12:59PM | 0 recs
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You're right, if Chelsea were a vodka brand rather than a young woman, there wouldn't be anything wrong with this!  However...

by Steve M 2008-02-08 12:46PM | 0 recs
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The Obama campaign stated today that they would be at the MSNBC debate whether Clinton showed up or not.

by hwc 2008-02-08 12:30PM | 0 recs
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by Soltare 2008-02-08 12:31PM | 0 recs
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In effect, Obama endorsed the old politcs of personal destruction.

by hwc 2008-02-08 12:37PM | 0 recs
Maybe it's retaliation

I read earlier today that Obama has declined to participate in the Washington, DC, Maryland and Virginia ABC7/POLITICO Candidate Forum  - but that they're going ahead with it anyway, Clinton only, I guess.

That probably p*ssed him off - that they'd do it without him - so now it's tit for tat, so to speak.

I wonder, though, if Hillary pulled out of the MSNBC debate - because of what MSNBC did and not, like Obama, because she just didn't feel like participating - if MSNBC would still go through with it, leaving her out.

I would think NBC would cancel in that case - since it would expose their true agenda too clearly. But, ya never know...

by Firefly4625 2008-02-08 12:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Right On!

That's great - I imagine there'll be a FEW MILLION women (and men) who'll feel the same way!

Good for your Mom!

by Firefly4625 2008-02-08 12:35PM | 0 recs
Grow up people

Seriously, I think everyone knows that what Schuster had to say was a mistake and wrong, but some people here are just whining and having a bunch of fake outrage. If anyone actually watched him, Schuster has shown to be a pretty good reporter and journalist, especially on Plamegate, and even in the midst of hosts like Tucker Carlson, MSNBC actually has a better network than CNN and Fox News (of course), and let's not even speak of the pro-Clinton bias on CNN. So please people, let's end this fake outrage syndrome, accept his apology and move on.

p.s. this is coming from a current Clinton supporter.

by KainIIIC 2008-02-08 12:38PM | 0 recs
i bet Al Gore would disagree

MSNBC has been much more damaging to dem interests than the other cable news networks combined and then squared.

That so many of you still don't get this is a pathetic tragedy.

Get ye to the archives of the Daily Howler and learn about how

GE/JackWelch/NBC/MSNBC/Russert/Matthws/I mus

put Bush in the White House and us in Iraq.

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: i bet Al Gore would disagree

Am i the only one who was watching the news over the past two years, when msnbc, and msnbc alone started asking hard questions about the bush administration?

it was msnbc that pushed the Plame story, it was msnbc that got critical of Bush's moves to kill habeas corpus with the military commission act.

Msnbc has been the biggest force in the news for calling the republicans on their shit, and it's like you guys are forgetting that.

by Soltare 2008-02-08 01:29PM | 0 recs


by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: i bet Al Gore would disagree

Yet somehow, it has quite a bit to do with the comment he's replying to.

by fernacular 2008-02-08 04:11PM | 0 recs
Re: i bet Al Gore would disagree

Right... MSNBC put push in the White House.

thanks for ceding your credibility.

by KainIIIC 2008-02-08 03:14PM | 0 recs
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So the Obama supporters are fine with the sexism and misogyny constantly displayed by the MSNBC hosts, but any criticism of Obama is racism, right?

by musicpvm 2008-02-08 12:59PM | 0 recs

by Seymour Glass 2008-02-08 01:16PM | 0 recs
I like David Schuster

I don't think he should have been fired.  He should apologize but I don't think he should have been fired.

I have heard FAR WORSE from other newscasters including from Chris Matthews.

I think that David Schuster is just the "fall guy".

by puma 2008-02-08 01:09PM | 0 recs
Re: I like David Schuster

I thought he was just SUSPENDED.

by Firefly4625 2008-02-08 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: I like David Schuster

it's a temporary suspension. though how long "temporary" is i don't know

by Soltare 2008-02-08 01:26PM | 0 recs
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The attacks on the press by supposed progressives is getting a little scary.  Everyone knows exactly how he was using the word and now the mob is crawling all over itself to try to get someone fired.  It's disgusting.  

by Piuma 2008-02-08 01:19PM | 0 recs
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by Soltare 2008-02-08 01:30PM | 0 recs
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Yes, I know exactly how he was using the word, and it is inexcusable that so many Obama supporters have no problem with it.

by Steve M 2008-02-08 01:37PM | 0 recs
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Why don't you tell us how he was using the word?

by Piuma 2008-02-08 01:41PM | 0 recs
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Why don't you go shove it up your ass?

I assume you know how I'm using that phrase, by the way.

by Steve M 2008-02-08 01:48PM | 0 recs
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At least you've finally dropped your pretense and begun to reveal your true colors.  You don't find it a bit exploitative to take someone who is so reticent of the press that she won't even be interviewed by a child reporter doing a story for her school paper and have her call Whoopi Goldberg and Joy Behar and ask them not to be mean to her Mom?  It must place Chelsea in an uncomfortable position and certainly Whoopi and Joy found it a little uncomfortable.

by Piuma 2008-02-08 02:41PM | 0 recs
Assuming any of what you say is true

(a big assumption), couldn't Shuster just have said that? Couldn't he use the word "exploit," rather than "pimp?" You were able to come with an acceptable term, and you are only a poster on a blog. Why couldn't he? And, even if couldn't and just made a mistake, as the apologists are arguing, why couldn't he just admit he was wrong and apologize?

by freemansfarm 2008-02-08 02:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Assuming any of what you say is true

He did admit he was wrong and apologized.   And it is not a big assumption, of course that is what he was saying.

by Piuma 2008-02-08 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Assuming any of what you say is true

And now that he has apoligized, he will eventually be reinstated. Was that so hard? Why did he have to dig his feet in when first confronted with this?

And, the "assumption" I was referring to was not about Shuster's intent, but about your characterization of Chelsea, the phone calls she was "forced" to make, and her prior history regarding the school newspaper and so forth. Something tells me that you(1) are probably not as knowledgable about all this as you pretend to be, and (2) given your status as an Obama supporter, are presenting it in the light most damaging to the Clintons and not neccesarily most consistent with the actual facts.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-08 03:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Assuming any of what you say is true

He did not apolgize when given a chance initially. It took him few hours and few requests to even accept he made a mistake. And in the morning when he "tried" to apologize, he made up a story of what he was thinking. And now finally in the evening, he apologized in a straight forward way.

I guess, for you, pimping is not a bad thing.

by Sandeep 2008-02-08 03:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Assuming any of what you say is true

Are you claiming Shuster was calling her a prostitute?

by Piuma 2008-02-08 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Assuming any of what you say is true

While it is true that the phrase "to pimp out" has acquired a broader definition in many circles over the last few years, that does not excuse Shuster. Not everyone is of the MTV age, where expressions like "pimp my ride" are commonplace.
One poster here mentioned his or her mother, who took the phrase to mean what it has always meant: to turn out for prositution. Given that fact, and given the fact that Shuster is a journalist working for a news network, and not MTV or a similar type deal, and that Chelsea is, as an attractive, young woman, a more likely candidate for the older meaning of the phrase, he should have known better.

No, I don't think he meant to refer to her as a prostitute. But he should have recognized that others might hear his comment and think that. And, failing that, he should have apologized prompltly and whole-heartedly when called on it.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-08 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Assuming any of what you say is true

I've known a few pimps, one even liked me and wanted to welcome me to the "brotherhood" by giving me one of his prositutes. I passed. I'm not bullshitting. I'm not proud of all the stuff I've been involved in on the street - in a former life - but pimps were always the worst. I'm way too familiar with "The Game."
I knew one young lady who was killed by her pimp. A vicious murderer. She was somebody's daughter, too.
I asked a guy (Who fancied himself a a playa)once why he referred to all women as b*tches. He told me, "Every b*tch since Eve was a b*tch," and added that included his mother, too.

It was a disgusting remark by Shuster. Pimps are nasty, despicable people. the pimp my ride argument is weak. Really weak.

How does anyone know that the decision not to talk to the press is not Chelsea's?
I'm guessing it's simply too far fetched that to some she can make decisions on her own.

by durendal 2008-02-09 03:55PM | 0 recs
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Holy fuck, you actually agree with Shuster!  Unbelievable.  She's a GROWN FUCKING WOMAN who can make her own decisions without being "exploited."  I wish you had some capacity to understand just how disgusting and sexist your comment is.

by Steve M 2008-02-08 03:12PM | 0 recs
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Sexist? What does her gender have to do with the fact that she's apparently incredibly shy and suddenly is calling celebrity comediennes she doesn't know and asking them to not be mean to her Mommy.  Did you even watch The View clip?  Your outrage is really laughable.  Yes she's a grown-up in a grown-up world.  Isn't it time people stop being so damn overly protective.  It was a joke she wouldn't give a 10 year old an interview but no one criticized her because she's the Clinton's kid.  Well, she's not a kid, she's an adult.

by Piuma 2008-02-08 03:32PM | 0 recs
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dpAndrews- you are right on money.

Eugene Robinson,Jonathan Alter, Mike Barnicle
all of them sitting and discussing the politics
and acting like they are unbiased which is so untrue.

by BlueSea 2008-02-08 02:40PM | 0 recs
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Yeah, Eugene Robinson is the worst. I remember when he almost wept following Obama's Iowa victory speech. Why would he think it was okay to do something like that? Talk about a lack of objectivity. He got all emotional about it like he was seeing African American history being made.


by beanbagz 2008-02-08 02:45PM | 0 recs
I think Barnacle is the worst.

On Super Tuesday night, in analyzing the prospects in Massachusetts, this POS practically creamed in his pants over Obama, saying he "put a smile" on his face. Later, after Obama had gotten his smiley-face ass handed to him in MA despite the endorsements of the Kennedy's, the governor, and Kerry, little Barnicle Bill was nowhere to be seen, the gutless worm.

by freemansfarm 2008-02-08 02:57PM | 0 recs
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by the way, i thought norah o'donnell was pretty good today. and she worked with two leftie analysts, one more pro-Hillary and one more pro-Obama -- balanced and they all made good points. and weird to see women on MSNBC....first time I'd actually watched a show on that channel in a long time. likely the last time in a while, too.

by CalDem 2008-02-08 02:53PM | 0 recs
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It's a sad day when Nora is the one who's balanced, isn't it?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-08 03:21PM | 0 recs
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Enough with the misogyny! It's disgusting!

by beanbagz 2008-02-08 03:46PM | 0 recs
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 What David Shuster said is so deplorable.

At MSNBC its has become a disgusting pattern when it comes to Clinton, every one(except Dan Abraham) is trying to best one another in their outrageous comments.

David Shuster was not the most agressive perpetrators in MSNBC but he is trying to shore up his credentials(?) to come up the ladder and
the respect(?) from his peers(Chris Mathews,Keith O etc.).

Remember a few days ago when Chris Mathews got
heat from his sexist remarks who was standing by his senior colleague publicly and getting a thank you, its the upcoming Junior reporter
David Shuster.

by BlueSea 2008-02-08 03:04PM | 0 recs
Just picked this up from TPM

sheds a little more light:

An MSNBC production source says that it was only after the Hillary campaign threatened to boycott future debates that Shuster was informed of his suspension.

Will Shuster's suspension be enough to get Hillary to recommit to the debate? Her campaign is refusing to answer questions about whether she'll appear, or what they're asking for in the talks. This suggests that they want to leave the network twisting in the wind on the debate question, perhaps to "work the refs," send a signal to MSNBC and other news outlets about what they will and won't tolerate.


So, Shuster wasn't suspended UNTIL Hillary's team said they might not debate on NBC. Typical corporate media.

And, her campaign seems to be holding out, forcing NBC to be fair (what a concept!) - and whatever other stuff they want.

This is turning out to be soooooo good!

by Firefly4625 2008-02-08 03:09PM | 0 recs
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Folks I dont want to sidestep from MSNBC issue
but since its same topic, how about the reporting
in CNN and its reporters' blatant bias?
by BlueSea 2008-02-08 03:15PM | 0 recs
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having begala and carville was, to my mind, inappropriate. on the other hand since they've left i see Carl Bernstein, Jack McCaffrey (sp?), and Gloria Borger every time i turn CNN on...all Clinton bashers of the most black/white variety.

i admit to not watching CNN much, though -- are there others? I did see Begala on with an Obama booster on election night.

by CalDem 2008-02-08 03:52PM | 0 recs
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Yesterday afternoon on CNN Jack Cafferty REPEATED THE SAME LIE - that Bill Clinton had called Obama's whole campaign a fairy tale.

Not only did no one question it, but all the bobble-heads did just exactly what they always do - they sat there and bobbled their heads.

No one - NO ONE - told the truth. That LIE is now the CW - as they planned all along.

And so it goes...

by Firefly4625 2008-02-08 04:06PM | 0 recs
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yeah, cafferty (thanks for the correction on the spelling) is a vicious as Matthews on HIllary: a relentless sneer.

again, i don't watch CNN all that often, usuallly just when I'm traveling or on election nights, but post-dropping Begala and Carville, from when I do see it I'm not sure why CNN has a rep of being even handed -- seems to me they reflect the MSM Hillary hatred quite strongly. And Bernstein is over the top  (speaking of which, i watched 5 minutes of Hannity tonight -- that guy is certifiable on Clinton, truly looney tunes).

by CalDem 2008-02-08 07:34PM | 0 recs
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Anybody have a line on how to get a clip of this? Maybe a month ago?

Tweety with young attractive female financial pundit on satellite:
Guest: talking about market
Tweety, a little smile playing on his moist lips: "come closer"
Guest: doesn't understand, keeps talking
Tweety, interrupting: No, come closer, into the camera
Guest, uncomfortable, tries to comply, tries to please, giggles, tries to hang on to her dignity
Tweety: gazes longingly at Extreme CU of pundit, utterly ignoring what she's saying
Pundit: puzzled, humiliated
Tweety: says something about her being attractive
Tweety: abruptly dumps her without getting back on topic

Like some all powerful psychotic on-air stalker.  Horrifying, would read great on line.

by oh puhleeze 2008-02-08 07:47PM | 0 recs


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