Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Since most people here buy into the craptacular spin from the Clintons that Obama doesn't have a position on anything I offer you the following links.

So, the next time someone tells you Obama does not have any positions, you can direct them to the following links. Which, of course, come straight off of his website.

Civil Rights: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/civilrights

Disabilities: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/disabilities

Economy: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/economy

Education: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/education

Energy & Environment: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/energy

Ethics: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/ethics

Faith: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/faith

Family: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/family

Fiscal Policy: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/fiscal

Foreign Policy: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy

Health Care: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/health care

Homeland Security: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/homela nd

Immigration: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/immigr ation

Iraq: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/Iraq

Poverty: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/poverty

Rural America: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/rural

Public Service: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service

Seniors and Social Security: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/socialsecurity

Technology: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/technology

Veterans: http://www.barackobama.com/issues/veterans

Now tell me with a straight face that you don't know where he stands on the issues. Or that we need another stupid, stump-speech debate so Clinton can get free air time because she's broke and can't buy any ads.

Tags: Barack Obama, debates, issues (all tags)



Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I'll point out that at the bottom of most of those pages are also links to the more detailed policy papers should you not feel satisfied with the issue overviews.

by WellstoneDem 2008-02-15 09:15AM | 0 recs

have you also dug into Hillary's plans and ideas?

If not, go here:

Note that in each section there is a lot more detail in the links on the right side.

Are you OK with Obama wanting to start down the path of privatizing Social Security?

by kevin22262 2008-02-15 06:15PM | 0 recs

are you also OK with Obama starting down the path of taking money from public schools and giving it to "charter schools" and vouchers to be used at "private" schools?

Maybe he could bring in Ron Paul as Secretary Of Education?

by kevin22262 2008-02-15 06:16PM | 0 recs
Fact Check Pages

are important to explore as well for spin/smear rebuttals:

Obama fact check page.

I recommend bookmarking the fact check page (and frequenting it) as well as "subscribing" to its RSS feed here.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-15 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Fact Check Pages

I highly recommend THIS fact check page:


by KnowVox 2008-02-15 01:25PM | 0 recs
Could you please recommend the diary?

The same request to other readers as well.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-15 09:21AM | 0 recs
by KnowVox 2008-02-15 01:23PM | 0 recs
by 1jpb 2008-02-15 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Truth Squad

Your audio clip is 52 minutes long.

Why do you think I want to sit through Obama spin for 52 minutes?

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Truth Squad

I know it is long, but the last part ("off the record") is a great reinforcement of the whole thing.  

by 1jpb 2008-02-24 03:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

What he does

Lets Rezko a lobbyist help buy his house for him.
Rezko is now on FBI indictment for trying to get kickbacks or else he would kill legislation.

What he says

"Shine the Light on Washington Lobbying"

Its not an accident DC voted for him.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 09:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Trust me, man, you do not want to get in a pissing match with Obama supporters about supposed "scandals."

There's too many involving the Clintons to keep track of.

As for Rezko, the Chicago papers have been looking into this story for 18 months and have found....


by DoubleDs 2008-02-15 09:27AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

A Lobbyist bought 1/3 of his house for him for pete sake.

Open your eyes.

There is nothing even remotely this damaging on the other side

Add direct ties from this lobbyist to Saddam loyalists and even the peace vote looks suspect.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Please stop lieing. Rezko didn't buy 1/3rd his house for him. If you're going to keep spreading that BS just go back to www.freerepublic where you came from.

by Mystylplx 2008-02-15 09:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?
I think you really should discover the facts. The heritage house had always had a large lot, with a tall fence and hedge around it. Obama wanted to buy it, but couldn't afford it. He went to Rezko (his polical godfather - his words) and they schemed to subdivide the yard into two lots. This was tricky because it was a heritage house, but Michelle Obama was on the board that decided this so it was allowed. So on the same day Obama paid for the half that has the house for $300,000 less than the asking price, and Rezko's wife bought the other half at full price. This was fine for Obama until the facts came out, and it was seen that the gate and his driveway was on Rezko's half. Then he bought 1/6th of this property from Rezko, just enough to get the driveway, and he put a small fence across the middle of his yard as if to say, "This isn't mine".
Of course, now Rezko's lawyer owns Obama's lawn, and can't get into that property without going through Obama's gate - there is no other entrance.
Now is this illegal? I don't know - but it is sleazy especially as Rezko was being investigated at that time. We should all be so lucky to have someone help us buy a house to the tune of half a million or more.
by georgiast 2008-02-15 11:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Those kinds are all corrupt. The name Rezko doesn't even sound American and Obama is black and we know what they're like.

by LewHallam 2008-02-15 11:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Is your position that being black means he can have a lobbyist buy his house for him?

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I don't think the blacks should get special treatment like they do.

by LewHallam 2008-02-16 01:14PM | 0 recs
Right wing talking points.

YOU should discover the facts. Obama bid on the house and was the highest bidder. For convienience sake Rezko sold him a few square feet of property line at a very reasonable cost. There was nothing sleazy about it. Nothing.

But Republicans will probably try to make it look sleazy. Which side are you on?

by Mystylplx 2008-02-16 07:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Right wing talking points.


by georgiast 2008-02-16 08:04AM | 0 recs
by Mystylplx 2008-02-16 08:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Here.

Do you believe everything on DKos? Funny! His dealings may have not been technically illegal - but very sleazy? You bet..... maybe you should read further!

by georgiast 2008-02-16 09:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Here.

So let's see, he was the high bidder on a house, he bought the house at the price he bid, and this is sleazy how? He then bought 1/6th of Rezkos lot for 1/6th of what Rezko paid for the lot.

Oh the humanity! How could I not see how sleazy a deal that was!

by Mystylplx 2008-02-16 10:53AM | 0 recs
You're just off base on that

the point is Obama isn't running that kind of campaign. You can debate whether he should be, because this will come out if Clinton is the nominee.

Read this article on InfoUsa, published before it was revealed that the company had paid Bill Clinton millions of dollars post-Presidency, flown Senator Clinton in private jets that she remunerated the company at a miniscule  fraction of the cost, donated to her campaign and featured photos of her on their websites:

InfoUSA advertised lists of "Elderly Opportunity Seekers," 3.3 million older people "looking for ways to make money," and "Suffering Seniors," 4.7 million people with cancer or Alzheimer's disease. "Oldies but Goodies" contained 500,000 gamblers over 55 years old, for 8.5 cents apiece. One list said: "These people are gullible. They want to believe that their luck can change."

Telemarketing fraud, once limited to small-time thieves, has become a global criminal enterprise preying upon millions of elderly and other Americans every year, authorities say. Vast databases of names and personal information, sold to thieves by large publicly traded companies, have put almost anyone within reach of fraudulent telemarketers. And major banks have made it possible for criminals to dip into victims' accounts without their authorization, according to court records.

Now read this follow-up article from the New York Times:

When former President Bill Clinton and Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton took a family vacation in January 2002 to Acapulco, Mexico, one of their longtime supporters, Vinod Gupta, provided his company's private jet to fly them there.

The company, infoUSA, one of the nation's largest brokers of information on consumers, paid $146,866 to ferry the Clintons, Mr. Gupta and others to Acapulco and back, court records show. During the next four years, infoUSA paid Mr. Clinton more than $2 million for consulting services, and spent almost $900,000 to fly him around the world for his presidential foundation work and to fly Mrs. Clinton to campaign events.

This is post-Rich pardon conduct and it is unsavory; these are articles from the New York Times. And InfoUsa is just one of the the questionable Clinton associations post-2000. The Clintons are absolutely not transparent about their finances and private business deals and the implication that there is "nothing to hide" in the Clinton's conduct post-Presidency is not accurate.

Hillary Clinton has never answered tough questions on InfoUsa. Would her support among seniors last if that connection were well-known?

Should Barack Obama bring this up now? I don't think so. He prefers to run a positive campaign and win on the strength of his campaign.

But because he does not bring this up, does not mean it is not out there. And Clinton supporters who drag out the over-examined and under-impactful Rezko time and again without realizing the utter lack of transparency on the part of the Clintons are deluding themselves.

Senator Clinton would get torn apart in the general on this. The Mark Rich pardon was not a punctuation point...it was part of the fabric of conduct from the Clintons.  They act like they are above the rules, even as Senator Clinton slurs Barack Obama with a reference to Rezko at a debate.

It backfired.

by kid oakland 2008-02-15 09:57AM | 0 recs
Re: You're just off base on that

Do you think any of that is news?

News comes from the word NEW

Rezko is new

Auchi is new

A money trail from Saddam to Obama is new

Clinton pardons is old.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 10:00PM | 0 recs

are starting to step over many lines.

by kevin22262 2008-02-15 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Sorry but you tell me how rezko continues to run the slum housing projects as he did with the heat turned off and rats and all that nonsense in Obama's district when he was senator for 8 years. It doesn't matter if there was actual provable bribery. How does that happen? How do you  NOT know who the corrupt landlords and rip off artists are in your district? The answer is simple. You don't know because you choose not to know.

Don't try and convince people that you are an upstanding representative after that. We all know about the Chicago machine. It is the epitomy of corruption. When we talk electability just remember what the repugs will use. All they had to say about Kerry was Massachusetts democrat. All they will have to say about Obama is the Chicago machine

by Bornagaindem 2008-02-15 09:42PM | 0 recs
Lobbyists and PACs love HRC and McCain't

Please see here.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-15 09:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Lobbyists and PACs love HRC and McCain't


OMG I haven't heard that one yet, awesome.

by kasjogren 2008-02-15 10:08AM | 0 recs
by annefrank 2008-02-15 12:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

The argument that Obama doesn't stand for anything is just a tactic used by Clinton (and McCain and President Bush recently) to attempt to undermine the enthusiasm about Obama's message about hope. They know he's taken specific positions on a whole host of policy issues, both foreign and domestic.

by bigdcdem 2008-02-15 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

"Obama offers the first faith testimony I have heard from any politician that speaks honestly about the uncertainties of belief."

Is that because he is uncertain if he is muslim like he was raised or Christian like he claims?

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

That is completely out of bounds and nothing more than a Rovian/Rush outright lie that ANY democrat should put the kabosh on without thinking twice.

It would be akin to the outrageous "Hillary is just a bull dyke" crap that flew around all through the 90's by people we assume we are better than.

Come on now.

by kasjogren 2008-02-15 10:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

He's really got to clear up the religious background thing though. The right wing has people who went to school with him saying that he attended a mosque and was a practicing muslim as a child.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 11:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

First of all, we must live in different countries because in my country there is no religious test for holding office as guaranteed in my country's constitution.

Secondly, show me these people.  Going to a school where the majority of students are muslim is akin to say I went to a "baptist" school because the majority of my classmates in Texas were baptist.

I find this whole take no prisoners, no holds barred, rovian tactic almost despicable.  Why don't we just start talking about how Hillary murdered Vince Foster, cause it is on the same level of shamelessness.

Ad homonym attacks should be left to the other side lest we start ignoring our better angels for every aspect of life.

by kasjogren 2008-02-15 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I called a local talk show this week to correct the meme that Obama was sworn in with the Koran.

by annefrank 2008-02-15 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I laugh at that one the most because that was actually my own Congressman Keith Ellison, who was my state congressman as well.

I end up laughing because I get almost defensive...HEY!!!  That was MY congressman dammit!

by kasjogren 2008-02-15 01:11PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I know we don't have a religous test. I'm not talking about that I'm talking about it from a position of it being an issue in the general election.

google "obama muslim" and you will see. It's not about the school he attended, it's about going to the mosque with his stepfather for prayers. Is it true? I have no idea.

If bringing up issues about things that might cause problems in an election is "rovian" then we're going to get creamed.

Vince Foster's death was investigated 3 times and found to be a suicide. There's an answer for that.

I have no problem with you mentioning Vince Foster. I'm sure the GOP will try that. But here's the difference: these things have been investigated and they are old news. Obama is undefined and doesn't seem to want to define himself. I believe that forewarned is forearmed.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Does it matter what he did as a child? And do we really believe anyone who would believe it does matter would ever vote for him anyway?

by JDF 2008-02-15 01:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

He said that his childhood makes him qualified in foreign policy. Otherwise, I would tend to agree with what you are saying.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 02:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Childhood experiences are relevant in the shaping of a personality and an understanding of the world; I am sure we can all agree that this was his point.

My point in response to your statement is this: do you think attending a mosque as a child (with your father or otherwise) makes you unfit for the presidency?

by JDF 2008-02-15 02:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

No but I think it makes you unelectable in today's environment.

I personally wish that we would take the religion out of politics. Obama's problem is that he is infusing religion into politics so he's putting himself into this spot.

And the funny thing is, for all the religious talk from Obama, he isn't winning those voters. Hillary is.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 05:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I haven't seen any exit polls that show who is winning the religious vote; although the fact that Obama wins among indies and republicans who vote in Dem primaries would lead me to believe that he does just fine among that group.

As to your statement on whether or not he is electable, I truly believe Obama has been forceful and clear enough regarding his faith that no relevant number of voters (at least none who would vote for him anyway) would be effected if it turned out his father took him to a mosque a few times.

by JDF 2008-02-15 08:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

According to the AP poll, Obama gets the same amount of independents against McCain that Hillary does.

We'll just have to disagree on the effect going to a mosque would have on the general public.

CNN reported that Hillary wins the votes of those who attend church regularly while Obama mostly attracts secular voters.

As far as the Republicans voting for Obama, well, they aren't voting for him. They're just voting against Hillary and see him as a tool to take her down. I guarantee you they won't be there for Obama in the general election.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 02:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

You can make all the guarantees you want, but the fact of the matter is this- once a voter crosses the line once it is easier for them to do it a second time. People change their party registration all of the time and the usually do it AFTER voting for candidates from the other party once or twice.

by JDF 2008-02-16 06:04AM | 0 recs
does what he did as a child matter?

Look, I don't like the idea that we live in a society like this but yes, it matters what you did as a child when we are talking about worshipping as a Muslim.

Rmember the part where there is an Islamic extremist movement and charismatic leader somewhere out there who has repeatedly threatened to destroy the United States.  Not attack us, destroy us.  how?  Through sleeper cells.

Up pops this guy Obama.  To the vast majority of Americans, weird first and last name, scary middle name.  Yes, it matters if he worshipped as a child as a Muslim and if he went to grade school (doesn't matter what kind) in the most Muslim country on Earth.

why?  Two big reasons:

1. He has so little adult history behind him -- eight years in Illinois, two in the Senate -- no military service  -- and the rest of his adult work life, five years, is difficult to grasp for most Americans.  It can seem like he "popped up out of nowhere" as he registered nowhere in the public consciousness before 2004.  

2. His stand on foreign affairs and the Iraq War, specifically being against the war from the beginning and his pledge to "sit down with Islamic extremist like Ahmadinejad.

I'm not saying these conclusions are truths, I'm saying it's where the GOP is going to go with them, and I'm quite sure they didn't need me to think it up for them.

We were all quite convinced, cocky even, that Kerry would blow Bush out of the water in 2004.  In an election that close, it's hard not to attribute the loss to the "Hanoi John" business and the questions of character raised by the Swiftboat ads.  

The "connect the dots" game here with Obama has the potential to be far more damaging, especially as he travels the country energizing youth with these damn rock star revival meetings.  

All this talk about Clinton galvanizing the Republican base with twenty year old animosities about her liberalism is just plain stupid in contrast to where they are sure to go with Obama.      It's all just sitting there like a ripe fruit ready to be picked by the GOP.  

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-16 03:06AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

You are talking about two very different elections. In 2004 the public was not nearly as strongly against the war as it is now and in 2004 the economy was not nearly as much of an issue as it is now. The truth of the matter is we are not as scared as we were 4 years ago. People have tried to bring up the school situation in the press before and it gained no traction, I don't think this time will be any different.

I think if you brought up any salient points here it is the one about his name- his name is "scary" to the under educated masses and I wouldn't at all be surprised to start hearing McCain refer to Obama as "Hussein."

If he is so classless that he does that we might not be able to recover from it but as for the rest of it I tend to disagree.

by JDF 2008-02-16 06:08AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

Don't count on the war issue being a winner. It's not even rating that high with dem primary voters. People think the surge is working because the violence is down, whether that's true or not. In 1972 people were 80% against the war in Vietnam. How'd that work out? You would have thought that people who were having their kids drafted and getting killed would have gone overwhelmingly for McGovern. It didn't work out that way and there's no evidence that the War in Iraq is something that you can bet on carrying you to the WH.

Remember Obama is promoting "weak and right" while McCain is promoting "strong and wrong." Who do you think will win that argument?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 06:25AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

McCain is going to sell Obama as weak and him as strong. Obama is going to seel McCain as wrong and himself as right.

It is going to come down to who the better salesman is; have you watched them both talk? Because I know who I am buying from.

by JDF 2008-02-16 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

Considering the fact that McCain is already winning the narrative against Obama I really question his salesmanship.

If salesmanship is the ONLY thing he has going for him then that's a weak argument for his candidacy. It actually works right into the chicago machine pol stereotype.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

Nobody outside of us political junkies really cares about the "chicago machine stereotype," and of course McCain is currently winning the narrative McCain gets to focus on that narrative while Obama gets battered by both him and Clinton.

Personally I think Clinton has decided that she doesn't want him to be able to win the Presidency if he wins the nomination. But that is another story for another day.

by JDF 2008-02-16 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

Actually the Chicago Machine is universally known due to the 1960 presidential election. It's not just political junkies that know about it.

The reason McCain is controlling the narrative is because he's putting Obama in a box and Obama isn't responding correctly. He's basically deferring everything so McCain gets the upper hand to continue to dig at him.

As far as Clinton wanting Obama to lose the presidential, election I have no idea about that but I certainly feel that Obama is doing his darndest to win the nomination and lose the general election all by himself. He's the one trying to blackmail superdelegates into doing what he wants. This is the kind of stuff that makes 1/5 of the party leave in a general election.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 10:09AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

I think you overestimate people's anger in regards to Obama's tactics.

And I never said that the Chicago Political Machine isn't known. I said the average voter doesn't care. Those are two VERY different things.

by JDF 2008-02-16 10:14AM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

Don't care? Maybe or maybe not. However, it plays into the narrative against Obama.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 12:42PM | 0 recs
Re: does what he did as a child matter?

First off, a superior attitude towards the "uneducated masses" will get you nowhere.  Plenty of uneducated persons are well informed and intelligent and plenty of well educated people will have some deep reservations about this whole Islamic angle.  

Yes, the two elections are quite difference but the same arrogant dismissal and misread of the majority of Americans will get us into the same trouble.

Obama is drawing crowds of the formerly disenfranchised.  Awesome.  He has yet to prove the message will work with the rest of us.  There is disenfranchisement with the current adminstration and the political climate and disenfranchisement from the whole damn system.  I realize the majority of Americans crave change.  The question is how much change and what changes.

I can well imagine Obama as exactly who he presents himself to be, I'm a life long liberal, but even I have a niggling paranoid doubt about all this come out of nowhere, messianic figure to the youth, Islamic connections, childhood in the Phillipines, Dreams from my Father, sit down with extremist dictators business.  I'm not comfortable  with it both as an American and as a Democrat looking to win.

I think you are kidding yourself if you think the winds are all in Obama's favor.  The surge seems to be working if not in it's rationale in practice on the ground.  We apparently can stabilize the situation if we dedicate enough resources.  Should we?  Most Americans will say a qualified maybe not a definitive no.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-16 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Does it matter what he did as a child? And do we really believe anyone who would believe it does matter would ever vote for him anyway?

by JDF 2008-02-15 01:09PM | 0 recs
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It's brought up as a smear tactic, in the same way "McCain had a black baby out of wedlock", Hillary went to a "all girls school wink wink" and Obama was "sworn in on a koran"

People who believe them are too dumb to think critically or are resorting to smears against an opponent.

Like I said, just listen to your better angels on this one.  And don't quote a google search to prove your point from now on cause that is just silly ;)

by kasjogren 2008-02-15 01:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I know that the "Obama's a muslim is a smear" but did he go to prayers with his step father when he was a child? I have no idea. I'm not trying to be mean here. You are implying that any association with muslims is a big negative. I won't disagree with you there.

The McCain black baby thing was completely made up.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 02:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

If any association with Muslims was a negative Bush would have lost in 2004. Nobody in this country has closer to ties to prominent Muslims than the Bush family.

by JDF 2008-02-16 06:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

You're kidding right? Does Bush have a brother who's a muslim? Did Bush live in a Muslim country? Did Bush have both a stepfather and father who were muslims? Sorry, but having Bandar at the WH, bad as it was, doesn't nearly rate to where Obama is in this area.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 06:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

How about the close ties with the Saudi royal family?

How about the midnight flights to get Bin Ladin's family out of the country?

Look, I know we are from different parts of the country, and maybe this is a big deal where you are...but honestly, did we have a chance at winning Georgia anyway?

by JDF 2008-02-16 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Those ties are a lot weaker than Obama's.

I'm not advocating that Obama will win GA. Neither will. I live in the real world.

My electoral college math says that Obama will lose. He won't turn ID or any of those other red caucus states into blue. He won't carry OH, FL, PA and possibly NJ. Polls have him tied in MA. CA could come into play due to his problem with hispanics. What would he pick up? IA & MO maybe? CO I doubt. Kerry was leading in CO early in 2004 so I don't think Obama's lead there will hold out. He isn't winning whites who make under $50,000 per year which is a big problem.

I don't assume that every state is like GA but you shouldn't think that every state is like IL.

Would you rather have someone who could carry a state like KY by swinging 5 pts or one who has to write the state off because he's 30 pts behind?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 07:13AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Thats funny. I did a write up on electoral math a few days ago that is completely different than yours... My theory is that he carries PA and NJ. Being personally involved with PA politics (I have worked here the last 2 campaign cycles,) I can tell you that Democrats are just more motivated here right now (both in terms of voters and in terms of activists, volunteers, and staff.)McCain isn't going to change that. He wins MA and CA (there is no chance of CA going to McCain, just won't happen.) He will turn IA and probably MO and I think CO is trending our way.

If he picks Bill Richardson as VP he carries NM and NV. He competes in OH, and FL. Don't quote me on this but I think my math had it coming down to him carrying OH OR FL OR the combo platter of NM and NV.

Personally I think he does way better than Hillary on the electoral side of things.

by JDF 2008-02-16 07:56AM | 0 recs
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You see the problem? You think you can just pick Richardson and the hispanics will magically vote for Obama? Sorry, but people vote for the top of the ticket and apparently Richardson has problems with hispanics in his own state of NM.

I'm sure that democrats are more motivated but that doesn't necessarily translate into winning.

All it takes to lose CA is a 5-6 pt swing away from Obama to McCain and Obama could lose the state. In MA, they have Patrick as a governor who ran the same campaign that Obama has and he's been a disaster. That would play against Obama there.

You're also forgetting that Obama wants to disenfranchise MI at the convention. Granholm has said that Obama would probably lose the state in the general if he did that.

What you are proposing is hoping that Obama holds all the Kerry states (which isn't in evidence) and relying on 3 states to push him over the top. Doesn't seem like he's really competetive in other states then. He's basically running less of a strategy than Clinton is. She has lots more ways to win than Obama-starting with MI, AR and FL.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

I have an actual question for you.  You seem to really really hate Obama.  Granted you do it with a well spoken narrative and although it is usually anecdotal and mostly unprovable you back up most of what you say with something besides just what you believe, which is apparently that Barack Obama is the worst thing to happen to the democratic party since being on the wrong side of the civil war...so this is my question.

If Barack Obama is the nominee, are you going to vote for John McCain?

by kasjogren 2008-02-16 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Here's the rub:
I don't hate Obama. Please, that's just the same knee jerk statements that the Bushies use.

Obama is the weakest candidate we could put up in an election right now besides Kucinich. He is unqualified to do the job. We look like idiots complaining about how unqualifed Bush was when we're going to put up a candidate even less qualified? Think about that.

Obama has been playing the racial victim card in the south to rally the black vote. It's a big mistake and has divided people who were formally friends over it. It's been horrible. He also sends the message that the GA Dem party is only the party for blacks by only campaigning where there were blacks. Now, I have no problem with blacks in the party anymore than whites or minorities. I think it takes all of us to make a party. However, he has made party building extremely difficult.

I don't know where he stands on things and he uses right wing talking points constantly. He's not expanding the party, he's shrinking the party and we are missing a huge opportunity to expand the party with hispanics.

Obama will have to tell me why I should vote for him. I can't say that I'll vote for McCain or for Obama right now.

And the cultishness of the whole Obama "movement" is really creeping me out. The chanting and fainting is a real turn off.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 04:15PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Well I guess you had the very very very rare experience of not being drug to church instead of sleeping in on Sunday when you were a kid by your parents.

I think you and I live in parallel universes.  And here I thought GA and TX were pretty similar.

by kasjogren 2008-02-16 12:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Of course, but he was going to a mosque not a church. Therein lies the difference.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 12:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Good job Abraham, you have turned one brother against another yet again thousands of years later.

by kasjogren 2008-02-16 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Ignoring what currently exists in this country is not productive to creating a solution to that problem.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-16 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Neither is fanning it.

by kasjogren 2008-02-18 08:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Homeland Security

Saddam Hussein -> Auchi -> Rezko -> Obama

Google it yourself.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 09:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

"I will end the war in Iraq"

Again google Auchi->Rezko and Rezko-Obama

Follow the money

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 09:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

While you are at it, lets post where Hillary stands on the issues....or have you forgotten that she is still very much in this race?

All these links you post that supposedly are Obama's positions on a number of topics.....hmmm....why isn't he talking about them on the campaign trail.....all he wants to talk about is some meaningless "hope and change". I've heard that slogan a million times before and nothing ever changes in Washington and never will regardless of who is president. She stands for something....can you say the same for him?

by steve468 2008-02-15 09:41AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Apparently you've never actually listened to Senator Obama speak.

He does talk about all of those issues on the trail.  He frames it as a hope of reclaiming the American Dream and changing the culture in Washington but in every speech he talks about universal healthcare, investing in clean energy, ending the Iraq War, making sure FTAs have labor and environmental standards, ending lobbyist influence, investing more in our schools and infrastructure, and restoring balance to our economy, ensuring social security, providing access to higher education, and calling young people to service.

Does it come amidst calls for unity, hope, and change? Yes.  Is it spoken eloquently and poetically?  Yes.  Nonetheless, he does talk about issues in his speeches.  Repeating the same tired line about "meaningless hope and change" doesnt make it so.  Yes, I honestly can say that he stands for something.

by WellstoneDem 2008-02-15 10:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Have you EVER watched the crowd during a policy speech? Everyone's eyes glaze over.

Hell, I love policy and MY eyes glaze over.

by JDF 2008-02-15 01:10PM | 0 recs
Re: "She stands for something"

Show me one speech where OBAMA advocates truly universal health coverage. He doesn't:

Obama's plan leaves at least 15 million people out.

Concord Monitor: `Gruber estimated that 15 million people would remain uninsured under Obama's plan.' "Jonathan Gruber, a health economist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology who worked on the Massachusetts plan, said a mandate means "the difference between universal or near-universal coverage. Obama would have a large expansion, better than anything the Republicans have, but not universal coverage," Gruber said. "You can't get it without a mandate; it's just not possible." Gruber estimated that 15 million people would remain uninsured under Obama's plan." [Concord Monitor, 12/26/07]

Len Nichols, Jonathan Gruber and Mark Pauly: `even with other cost saving measures and a child mandate, we think that it is very likely that a least 15 million American would remain uninsured.' "Recent estimates suggest that a plan with uniform generous subsidies but without a mandate would cover no more than one-half of the uninsured in the U.S. Even with other cost-saving measures and a child mandate, we think that it is very likely that at least 15 million Americans would remain uninsured." [New America Foundation Policy Brief, 12/06/07]

Jonathan Holohan of the Urban Institute: `Obama would still leave about 22 million, 23 million, but he has a mandate for children, about 9 million uninsured kids, so assuming you get most of them, you get pretty close to 15 million.' [New Republic, 12/03/07]

Wall Street Journal: `Mrs. Clinton charges that Mr. Obama's plan would leave 15 million people without insurance. Outside experts agree that number is in the ballpark.' [Wall Street Journal, 12/04/07]

Washington Post: `The Obama plan could leave a third of those currently uninsured lacking coverage.' [Washington Post, 6/9/07]

by KnowVox 2008-02-15 01:36PM | 0 recs
Re: "She stands for something"

chances are you pay $1000 a month if you are a family of four Yours + employers contribution). if you come in under that in Hillarys plan you win. Remember if your employer pays it now they will continue to pay it perhaps to someone new perhaps not. Bottom line everyone has to pay so that you have the assurance that if you get sick you will be covered.

The extra costs in americas healthcare system come from the overhead of dealing with too many different companies.

The beauty of  Hillarys plan (and Edwards ) is it includes a buy in  to the federal plan. That is the sneaky part. You get everyone to agree by letting them keep their current plan and then you make sure that the federal one is the cheapest and the best and let the market do its work. E Voila a single payer health system that is affordable.

All insurance works because EVERYONE is in the pool. That spreads the risk. Obama thinks he can get away with not requiring you to carry insurance. Complete and utter nonsense. How many people would weasel out of car insurance if not required?

by Bornagaindem 2008-02-15 10:12PM | 0 recs
Re: "She stands for something"

Ya Obama's saying Hillary would force you to pay is like the people who said under a 40 hour work week the boss would force you to go home and you would make less money.

That was a real problem for some people when the 40 hour work week came out.

But clearly the 40 hour work week has been very good for working people in the long run.  So to universal health care will be a great good for the poor and uninsured.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 10:45PM | 0 recs
Of course his website has....

these statements...but his rhetoric doesn't say a thing about them.  If you have to be directed to a website to read for yourself, no wonder many people don't know what he stands for.

Remember the video...name one thing Obama has done....and no one could?  Well, the same video could be made about his position on issues.

Because he is obviously failing to communicate those.

And don't tell me we're fucking lazy idiots (yes, I was once told that at DKos).  The average voter is far more fucking, far more lazy and far more idiotic than I am - IMHO.

by Shazone 2008-02-15 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course his website has....

He's totally shucking and jiving just like Andy Cuomo said. He's just better at it than Al "Tawana" Sharpton and Jesse "I hate jews" Jackson.

by LewHallam 2008-02-15 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Of course his website has....

Wow.  Just wow.  And you won't even get banned for that...

by turnnoblindeye 2008-02-15 12:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course his website has....

Oh what! I'm just saying what we're all thinking. This site is for the people on the right side of this fight (a fight that's been coming since the 60's) so if you don't like it you should go. We're not going to let some kid from the ghetto take over our party and country. Hillary is the real Democrat. We don't need some Affirmative-Action Martin L. King taking over. That guy was a commie and this guy has a muslim father. Just as bad.

by LewHallam 2008-02-15 01:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course his website has....

You are a coward and a racist, among other even more distasteful things. Pure and simple. I hope you get banned....

Go put on your pillow-case and march with your KKK buddies.

by JDF 2008-02-15 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: I think what Obama should do is

Pretty good idea. Think he'll do it?

by jabney 2008-02-15 04:22PM | 0 recs
The concern...

is not that Obama doesn't have position papers.

Of course he has position papers. Every campaign needs to have position papers, and I'm not sure why you decided to link each one from his website, when it would have been simpler to just link to this page:


and let people navigate through the position papers for themselves.

But anyway, the concern being expressed about Obama is that he he does not have the record or experience in the big leagues to accomplish these goals. Right or wrong, fair or unfair, the concern is that it would be amateur hour at the White House and that he would fail in the face of the certain visious Republican opposition.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-15 10:03AM | 0 recs
Amateur hour

Economy began to boom and kept booming throughout said amateur hour.

Giant surplus built up from nothing during amateur hour.

SCHIP enacted during amateur hour.

Breyer and Ginsburg appointed to SCOTUS during amateur hour.

by Montague 2008-02-15 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Wow - 4 points in 8 years

Kosovo is another one. Balanced budgets. Peace and prosperity. Saved social security and medicare from the GOP destroying it. The list could go on.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 11:04AM | 0 recs
I could have gone on

and on, but I don't want to do your work for you.

by Montague 2008-02-15 11:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Amateur hour

And they kept those damn crackheads in jail when the liberals were clammoring to get them out. Clearly cocaine users are less dangerous than some black crackhead so keeping them locked up makes more sense.

And making it easier to execute damn criminals.

Those were both good things too.

by LewHallam 2008-02-15 12:00PM | 0 recs
Word salad

by Montague 2008-02-15 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: The concern...

saying he would fail to effect these changes is an entirely different argument, and a far more reasonable than to say he doesn't have stances.... that is why this post was made.

I am more than willing to listen to arguments as to what he will or will not accomplish- but the false statements that he doesn't have specific ideas is disgusting.

by JDF 2008-02-15 01:16PM | 0 recs
Re: The concern...

The economy he is for it

Racism he is against it

Social security he likes old people

Kittens yes he loves them.

Thats not positions.

Positions are details of what you will do and how it will affect people.

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:42PM | 0 recs
Re: The concern...

You are a joke. Nobody who actually pays attention to the process takes comments like this seriously. Grow up.

by JDF 2008-02-15 08:58PM | 0 recs
Re: The concern...

I think your point is well taken

by Bornagaindem 2008-02-15 10:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't Hold Your Breath

Supporting Hillary doesn't make you a mouth breathing bot.  The argument is counterproductive on both sides of this nomination race.

by kasjogren 2008-02-15 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Definitely sites you should go to for a non-biased look at where he stands


by Sensible 2008-02-15 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Um...if you flat out don't trust him than that is also a whole different issue.

But if you don't trust him than you shouldn't consider voting for him under ANY circumstances anyway.

by JDF 2008-02-15 01:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

by Sensible 2008-02-15 10:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Obama has been trying to be all things to all people is one of the reason "stands for nothing" got started. He was the AA candidate in the south. He was the liberal candidate in the NE. He tried to be the hispanic candidate out west and now is trying to be the white working class candidate even to the point of taking Hillarys ecomonic plans.

If you have to refer to his website, you don't know his plans either. In the debates, he didn't seem to know what his own plans were either.

And then there's the belief that he can't deliver because he doesn't have many accomplishments and very little experience. The fact that he missed a bunch of votes since being in the senate doesn't help either.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 11:01AM | 0 recs
Hillary's nearly empty 'experience'

Hillary Clinton, Empty Pantsuit: Her Track Record from the Senate

by poblano
Wed Nov 21, 2007

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-15 11:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary's nearly empty 'experience'

Nice try I was alive from 1992 to 2000

I know that Hillary was the 2nd vice president.

I know she spear headed universal health care the first time

I know she stood up to china on women's rights.

I know she helped with the Irish peace

I know she got a say in EVERY policy the Clinton team ever followed.

I know she was briefed on all the intel as it happened

But then your target audience isn't that old are they?

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Who cares. He's black. Only liberals and blacks vote for him.

by LewHallam 2008-02-15 11:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Racist much?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-15 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Who Cares? He's our next Messiah!


by Tennessean 2008-02-15 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

A group of citizens walk into Senator Barack's office.
They say:  We believe the Exelon Nuclear plant is leaking tritium into our drinking water.
Barack says: How dare they!  Let's have a meeting.  I am going to write a bill that supports mandatory reporting of leaks at the lowest of levels.
Citizens say: YEAH!
Barack says: Here's my bill Exelon.
Exelon says: Excuse me Senator, could we speak to you for a moment in private?
Barack says: I am a uniter, of course you can.
                    DOORS CLOSE
                    DOORS OPEN
Barack says: Hey, I just got myself two new fundraisers and 214 new donors from Exelon.  Thank you citizens for introducing me.

His first "at bat" and he stuck out...for the people.


by darlamc 2008-02-15 12:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Except that's a vicious lie

No when its the truth its not called making stuff up

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:46PM | 0 recs

none of those links have footnotes indicating where Obama stole the Infrastructure Bank and 5 million Green Collar jobs from Hillary.  Hmmm.  

by linc 2008-02-15 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Interesting

I guess now not only can Hillary claim all of Bill Clinton's ideas, but Chris Dodd's and Chuck Hagel's as well.

by GobBluth 2008-02-15 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Geez, do you have to be ugly about it?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 12:26PM | 0 recs
Nobody with a brain

Thought that the Obama campaign would not have an issues section on his website, so to that degree this whole post is a simple strawman. The devil is in the details and Obama does not seem to supply them. And when he does they are scary.

His Social Security plan is totally fuzzy and in what limited degree we can see where he is going actually counterproductive. A payroll cap increase does not in fact operate in the way he suggests it would, nor is it on balance progressive. Instead it gives the holders of capital a free pass while socking it to middle class professionals.

Platitudes are not a subject for detailed policy. Take a look at his 'Energy and Environment' page. http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/ene rgy/ First there is exactly zero on any environmental issue other than global warming and his progressive solution for that is the "implementation of a market-based cap-and-trade system"

The same is true from top to bottom of his economic and health care plan, from his choice of advisors to what limited details he has released each and every time they bow down to the 'miracle of markets'.

It is not that Obama gives no details at all, it is that every detail he drops is profoundly out of the progressive tradition of economic and social justice for everybody, and not just those the market doesn't kick to the curb.

by Bruce Webb 2008-02-15 12:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Bravo

Note that, however, you cannot question Obama's policies and then discredit Obama as not being specific enough.

Why on earth should that be the case? As Bruce points out, Obama's site is fuzzy on the details, but where he does supply them, they do not inspire confidence.

It's surprising, when he does come clean about his postions, how often he lines up to the right of Clinton. Take for instance the miserable failure know as "No Child Left Behind". Hillary's response to that issue is short and sweet:

As president, she will:

   * End the unfunded mandate known as No Child Left Behind.

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/edu cation/

Here's Obama's wordier, but far less satisfactory, response to the same issue:

Reform No Child Left Behind: Obama will reform NCLB, which starts by funding the law. Obama believes teachers should not be forced to spend the academic year preparing students to fill in bubbles on standardized tests. He will improve the assessments used to track student progress to measure readiness for college and the workplace and improve student learning in a timely, individualized manner. Obama will also improve NCLB's accountability system so that we are supporting schools that need improvement, rather than punishing them.

http://origin.barackobama.com/issues/edu cation/

As Bruce said, no one ever doubted that Obama had an "Issues" section on his website. But the devil, as always, is in the details.

by Inky 2008-02-15 02:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Bravo

One person's wordier can be another's detailed and specific.

Just a thought.

by 1jpb 2008-02-15 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Bravo

So, do you agree with Obama that we should save NCLB?

by Inky 2008-02-15 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Bravo

The difference between BHO And HRC is semantics.

BHO says make a lot of changes without focusing on a name change for the program.

HRC says make the same changes but come up with a new name for the program.

I say, this is distinction is a diversion and a wast of time.

by 1jpb 2008-02-23 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Nobody with a brain

Tell me if this doesn't sound like "pie in the sky,"

Create New Forum of Largest Greenhouse Gas Emitters: Obama will create a Global Energy Forum -- that includes all G-8 members plus Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa -the largest energy consuming nations from both the developed and developing world. The forum would focus exclusively on global energy and environmental issues.

When did China stop being a stubborn dictatorship that holds all our markers?

by gwojtowy 2008-02-15 05:30PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

The issue is, though: he says he stands for "change".

So, if you compare these positions to those of Clinton, how do they provide more "change" than Clinton?

His proposals are, in a few cases, more conservative than Clinton's proposals. That sounds like less "change".

How does he provide more "change", or how does he more effectively bring it about?

That's what I like to know, and I have not been able to find an answer other than fairly generic rhetoric.

by Frank 2008-02-15 12:37PM | 0 recs
The change he talks about is at the system level.
  1. Cleaning up Washington w/ ethics/lobbying reform
  2. not waging dumb wars but instead engaging the world in cooperation towards peace and common goals, etc
by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-15 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: The change he talks about is at the system lev

A house subsidy for every senator compliments of rezko and auchi

by sonofdonkeykong 2008-02-15 08:47PM | 0 recs
A pardon for every crook, if they contribute

a few million to the Clinton library.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-16 12:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

and can you tell how the "triangulation" that everyone is so afraid of is any different than I bring people together?

by Bornagaindem 2008-02-15 10:19PM | 0 recs
But how fluent is Obama with these positions?

I've checked his website a number of times and have familiarized myself with both candidates policies pages on the issues most important to me.  I find their positions close and equally detailed.

I became concerned in the last two debates when it seemed to me that Obama struggled to well defend or explain his own policies.  To me, he seemed uncomfortable with the details.  that is my concern, not that don't exist somewhere, but that they are not policies he will be able to well defend against McCain.

by grassrootsorganizer 2008-02-15 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: But how fluent is Obama with these positions?

It's hard to know which detail to pull out when you're trying to be all things to all people hence the confusion.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-15 05:30PM | 0 recs

I know that his website makes clear that he does not take money from FEDERAL Lobbyists, thus leaving him free to clean up the influence of Washington lobbyists.

So the questions I pose are as follows.

1.  If he does not take money directly from the lobbyist's own checking account because of the influence that money implies, why does he not also reject the practice of the lobbyist collecting checks from others and presenting them in huge chunks to his campaign, the practice otherwise known as bundling?  Is there fundamentally any difference?

2.  Does anyone here see any hypocrisy in the fact that the chairman of his campaign, Tom Daschle, is a Washington Lobbyist, or the fact that many Washington lobbyists play official and unofficial roles in his campaign as either formal or informal policy advisors and check bundlers?

3.  Why did he flip flop on the promise to prohibit lobbyists from having positions in his White House?

4. Finally his website under ethics lists one of the big problems in Washington as "Lobbyists Write National Policies: For example, Vice President Dick Cheney's Energy Task Force of oil and gas lobbyists met secretly to develop national energy policy."

True indeed.  But then Why would he vote for it?!

by mikesize 2008-02-15 05:40PM | 0 recs
Re: President of Harvard Law Review

Hey, I was on Law Review at my law school and yeah, they have morons too.  I have dealt with Harvard lawyers, not always the smartest.  Great test-takers usualy but not always great thinkers.

by newhorizon 2008-02-15 06:00PM | 0 recs
Here is my problem

he is RARELY caught on tape telling us his ideas. How are you going to hold him accountable when he has nothing to be accountable for?

by kevin22262 2008-02-15 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

What is Obama's position on protecting consumers from predatory credit card and payday loan companies?

Oh wait - we already know that.  It's called 'Buyer Beware'. If those mean old banks charge you more than 30% on your loan, then Shame on You!

How do we know this?  Obama voted against a 30% cap on consumer loans - credit cards, payday loans, etc.  The result - there is NO CAP.  No consumer interest rate is too high for Obama.

And in case you are wondering, Hillary voted for the cap.

by Bear83 2008-02-15 08:03PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't Hold Your Breath

What, you expect people to actually check the record for themselves instead of repeating inane talking points?  Isn't that un-American or something?

Still, the logic of the naysayers (who claim that there will be no substantive change) could actually follow if you buy-in to their point of view:  1.  I am lazy.  2.  Laziness is sufficient to know that there will be no effort.  3.  True change requires effort.  There will be no true change, QED

by carloseljefe 2008-02-15 08:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Obama is long on rhetoric and short on specifics.  And when he does get specific, it doesn't sound very progressive.  I have a big problem with his health care policy, which leaves millions of Americans un-insured.  I have a even bigger problem with his use of right-wing talking points against Hillary and her plans.  "You can't trust her.  She's too calculating.  She's too polarizing," Obama says of Clinton.  It's the same crap the Republicans have been peddling against the Clintons for years.

Then he attacks her health care plan because horror of horrors, it mandates that everyone have health care coverage.  It's not fair says Obama.  

"They" are going to garnish your hard-earned wages, he says.  Whoever "they" are.  It's straight out the Republican playbook.  WATCH OUT!  They're coming after your money.  AHHH...OH NOOOOOOO......IT'S......IT'S.......IT'S. .....THE GOVERNMENT.  THEY'VE COME TO "FORCE" YOU TO HAVE HEALTH CARE.  IT'S DOWNRIGHT SOCIALIST.

Obama's is a recipe for a two-tier health care system.  A shitty one for everyone who can't afford it, and everyone who can, don't worry you can continue on having the best health care money can buy.  Some change!

One other point on his claim that Hillary is "too polarizing."  WHAT A CROCK!  Anyone who stands for something will end up being polarizing.
Hillary maybe polarizing, but it's because she has been fighting the Republicans for years.  Of course, they don't like her.  But apparently Obama feels it better to take no position and not threaten their grip on power.  Instead just talk about change and hope and unity.  And allow the media to fawn all over you, while talking about that awful woman Hillary.  When push comes to shove, I'll take the fighter who doesn't mind being unpopular with the right-wing, neo-cons and will fight for change, not just talk about it.  

by bdog 2008-02-15 10:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

hoorah!!! great comment

That is what is really unforgivable- using their rhetoric because when Hillary wins she is going to have to fight a two-fer Obama and McCain.
come On Texas put her over the top!!!

by Bornagaindem 2008-02-15 10:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?
what does he do about Darfur ?
what is his position on the farm subsidies ???
what will he do if MoveOn places a "General BetrayUs"ad ???
by SevenStrings 2008-02-16 04:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Unless he talks about these issues on the stump, and puts his political capital behind them, and proves he has personally thought about them deeply, the web site is just a bunch of papers put up by his staff wonks that no one will ever hold him to.

by techfidel 2008-02-16 05:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Where does Obama stand on the issues?

Quote: none of those links have footnotes indicating where Obama stole the Infrastructure Bank and 5 million Green Collar jobs from Hillary.  Hmmm.  End Quote

Hmmm..... actually it does address those lies.

RHETORIC: "I was, however, glad to see that yesterday, my opponent adopted the goal of five million green collar jobs -- months after I announced I would create five million green collar jobs."

OCT 2007, MONTH BEFORE HILLARY'S PLAN: Obama's Said In His Energy Plan That Investing In Energy Would Create Millions Of New Jobs In The US. Obama said, "In meeting the challenges of earlier generations, we didn't just end a costly war or beat the Soviets to the moon - we also unleashed opportunities we had never dreamed of. The GI Bill sent an entire generation of Americans - including my grandfather - to college and then on to the middle-class. Legions of scientists and engineers emerged from our race to space whose discoveries and innovations have forever changed the world. That's why my plan isn't just about making dirty energy expensive, it's about making clean energy affordable - a project that will create millions of new jobs and entire new industries right here in America." [Speech, 10/8/07]

Apollo Alliance Co-Founder Bracken Hendricks Praised Obama's Energy Plan For Funding Programs To Train "Our Youth In The 'Green Collar Jobs' Of The Future. Hendricks, Co-founder of the Apollo Alliance and Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress said, "Barack Obama's plan to combat global warming and achieve energy security shows that investing in clean energy will drive good jobs and economic growth. This proposal reduces carbon emissions and boldly invests in clean energy alternatives and efficiency. From helping farmers locally produce bio-fuels, to training our youth in the 'green collar jobs' of the future; from helping US manufacturers retool to build more efficient cars, to creating a venture fund for emerging clean technology, this plan demonstrates that solving global warming is at the center of renewing America's economy." [Obama Release, 10/8/07]

SEP 2006: Obama Addressed Creating Green Collar Jobs In A Speech On Energy Independence. Obama said, "During World War II, we had an entire country working around the clock to produce enough planes and tanks to beat the Axis powers. In the middle of the Cold War, we built a national highway system so we had a quick way to transport military equipment across the country. When we wanted to beat the Russians into space, we poured millions into a national education initiative that graduated thousands of new scientists and engineers. If we hope to strengthen our security and create hundreds of thousands of new jobs, we can offer no less of a commitment to energy independence." [Speech, 9/20/06]

APR 2006: Obama Addressed Green Collar Jobs In A Speech On Fuel Efficiency Standards. Obama said, "But it's precisely because of that competition that they don't have a choice. China now has a higher fuel economy standard than we do, and Japan's Toyota is doubling production of the popular Prius to sell 100,000 in the U.S. this year. There is now no doubt that fuel-efficient cars represent the future of the auto industry. If American car companies hope to be a part of that future - if they hope to survive - they must start building more of these cars. This isn't just about energy - this is about the ability to create millions of new jobs and save an entire American industry." [Speech, 4/3/06]

Obama Called for Green Jobs in Audacity of Hope...Published in 2006. "What we can do is create renewable, cleaner energy sources for the twenty-first century. Instead of subsidizing the oil industry, we should end every single tax break the industry currently receives and demand that 1 percent of the revenues from oil companies with over $1 billion in quarterly profits go toward financing alternative energy research and the necessary infrastructure. Not only would such a project pay huge economic, foreign policy, and environmental dividends--it could be the vehicle by which we train an entire new generation of American scientists and engineers and a source of new export industries and high-wage jobs...Aggressively investing in alternative fuel sources can also lead to the creation of thousands of new jobs. Ten or twenty years down the road, that old Maytag plant in Galesburg could reopen its doors as a cellulosic ethanol refinery. Down the street, scientists might be busy in a research lab working on a new hydrogen cell. And across the way, a new auto company could be busy churning out hybrid cars. The new jobs created could be filled by American workers trained with new skills and a world-class education, from elementary school to college." [Audacity of Hope, p. 169-170]

RHETORIC: "I was also glad to see that he modeled his $60 billion infrastructure bank on a bill I co- sponsored last summer to create a $60 billion infrastructure bank."

2005 Democratic Senate Bill Included Infrastructure Banks, With 13 Cosponsors, But Clinton Wasn't One of Them. In 2005, Sen. Sarbanes sponsored, along with 13 other Democratic cosponsors, "A bill to provide for alternative transportation in certain federally owned or managed areas that are open to the general public." Part of the bill read, "A qualified project assisted under this section shall be eligible for funding through a State Infrastructure Bank or other innovative financing mechanism otherwise available to finance an eligible project under this chapter." Sen. Clinton was not a cosponsor of the bill. [S. 890, Introduced 4/22/05]

Clinton Also Did Not Sign Onto the 2003 Bill. Sen. Sarbanes also introduced "A bill to provide for alternative transportation in certain federally owned or managed areas that are open to the general public" in 2003. There were 18 cosponsors, all Democrats, including Schumer, Dodd and Corzine, but Sen. Clinton was not one of them. [S. 1032, Introduced 5/8/03]

by 2coolbaby 2008-02-17 08:15AM | 0 recs
An informed decision

No matter which candidate you choose to support, you need to do your homework and make that choice. Parroting "all fluff, no substance" shows a lack of knowledge. If you are going to put your reputation out there, you should at least verify claims before making them. Be a part of a solution, instead of a part of the problem in politics today. Divisiveness based on attacks.

It was January before I made my choice. Until then I watched how these candidates ran their campaigns, the claims they made and the facts of those claims. I read their papers, I investigated their votes and their real experience. I have looked at the scandals out there.

In the end my choice came down to these things. Their stances and plans are not that different. Just different shades of gray. So I wanted to look at who I thought could actually make these changes. I believe firmly that Hillary would have a white house much like the Bush house. Surrounded completely by 'Yes' people from Bills presidency who will support any decision she makes. On the world stage and even here, I believe that Obama will encourage people to work together. I see Hillary attacking, instead of using diplomacy, when things get strained. You can see that in how she is handling being behind now.

Obama out campaigned the well established Clinton machine. Not a little, but in a HUGE way. He is smart enough to do this and to surround himself with really intelligent people. He consults and listens to his people. This tells me he will put intelligent, strong people in his administration based on experience, not cronyism.

Clinton ignores states and make statements that caucus states don't matter. That is a VERY bad political move any way you look at it. It makes people angry. Obama campaigns in every state he is allowed to campaign in and he does it heavily. He thinks all states are important and it shows he cares about the United States, not only the states that he can win.

Obama always looks well composed and above the fray and lately Clinton has been getting frazzled, strident and releasing attacks that make her look unprofessional.

All in all, Obama's judgement in this campaign, his demeanor and his political decisions convinced me that he would be a much better president than Hillary... from day one!

But that said, everyone needs to make their own decision. I just ask that you please get informed and if you are going to make a statement, make sure it is a true statement. Try to see the totality of the candidates, not just one aspect you like. Don't vote for a woman because you are a woman or a black because you are black. Vote for the person you think is best able to do this important job.

by 2coolbaby 2008-02-17 09:12AM | 0 recs


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