If you don't want to be troll rated try being less trollish. Maybe you have spent too much time at freeper sites where rudeness is considered a profound persuasive technique. You can go away mad or you can try to rehabilitate your methods. Its all the same to me.

On ALL of those points we need to have a defense.  Either we change our views or we need a real counter zinger talking point.

On many of them I think we need to examine our views and find a way of expressing them that is popular.

For example,  If you say you support the poor and defenseless that has some support.  If you say you support American's of any economic class who want to move up the economic ladder you have much broader support and the changes to your policies is only a few %.  The Democratic economic agenda has never been about treading water it has always been about the poor beign able to rise up.  

By altering slightly what we say we are about and slightly more what we are actually about we can pick up Joe and Jane Average who want to get ahead and don't seem to realize that Republicans only TALK about helping hardworking Americans.

Why'd you rate a brother's comment as lame?

Oh and what year/school are you and what's your pin? :)

As you may know Dean has the highest floor and lowest ceiling of the major DNC candidates.

I suspect that the florida delegation is comming out  in support of Dean to try and head off dean losing as the voting is successive runoffs until someone gets a majority.  This successive runnoff favors candidates with broad support from the primary followers of other candidates.  I don't think Dean has that support.

My angle is they are trying to protest in advance the election that Dean is almost certaily going to lose.  If true this has a disruptive effect.  IE not team players willing to vote in private and then support the winner but rather my guy or the highway types.

This is a serious Issue shared by many moderate Democrates that I expressed in a flippant manner in the post you refer to.

This Dean $$ thing is BS.

Its the format of ratings where 1% can ban you that sucks.  There should be some way that you get Karma so that you become resistant to being troll banned.

Imagine our surprise and revulsion when "the Real Deal" jumped into the primary lead. He wouldn't even get behind the things he'd done right!

(This is the one place I disagree with you, 'cruncher: It seems to me that one of the "moderates" won the primaries. He may have just been posing, but that doesn't make it right.)

I will qualify my opinion by stating that the mood of the primaries seemed to be to select an experienced, electable statesman over a firebrand. That may not have been the right choice, but it seemed to be the general zeitgeist of the majority of Dems.