Unity? What Unity? UPDATED

I'm a Hillary supporter.  I have been since I first hear her speak in 1992, and I will continue to be a supporter.  She'll have my money and my vote whenever she needs it.  And Hillary has made it clear that if Obama wins the nomination, she'll be out there supporting him, and so will I.

In that spirit, I made a trip over to Daily Kos this morning, wondering if the tide of unity was at least lapping the shores there yet.  It isn't.

So why another diary about what happens at a blog other than this one? Very simple - Daily Kos, for better or worse, has the highest profile of any progressive blog out there (arguably), and the tone over there matters. The MSM gleefully reports the Hillary hate that has manifested itself there, and I can unhappily report that it continues unabated.

The first diary I saw was this one , right at the top of the rec list. I saw it was entitled "An Open Letter to Clinton  Supporters", so I thought I had struck gold in the first 5 seconds of my trip. Wrong.

This diary purports to be an open letter, but it's nothing more than an excuse for some of the more obnoxious partisans to slap Hillary around and tell us how awful they think our candidate is, and I said so in the comments. Here's a taste treat from that diary:

The truth is that there is a quiet battle being waged for the soul of the Democratic Party.  Your candidate was on the wrong side of that divide.

The diarist then goes on to give us a list of the faults of Hillary Clinton and her campaign, as he sees it.  And this is an open letter to Clinton supporters, which I would assume is intended to bring them us over to Obama

Guess what folks: telling me how horrible you think my candidate is won't accomplish that goal.

On the other hand, I did find several excellent diaries about topics other than the primary, which has always been the case at Daily Kos.  There is no limit to the number of passionate people who will write and discuss any number of topics intelligently and without rancor.

I also found a response dairy to the one I mentioned above, which I think struck exactly the right tone. It was well written, but without the need to preach to we Clintonistas and inform us how wrong we are. He/she made very mild criticism of both Clinton and Obama, and gave them both compliments as well.  

Barack Obama is campaigning on the idea that a president can be public-minded, that he can serve the interests of the nation as a vocation and that the role of the president as the First Public Servant is just as  important as that of Commander-in-Chief.

Now, I understand that Sen. Clinton has been "delivering the goods" on jobs, on housing, on health care, on retirement ...  For people following issues, it just seems like Sen. Clinton is better.  She seems to know more.  Her solutions seem more immediate.  More relevant.

I didn't agree with everything in the diary, but it was an excellent call for unity.  I rec'ed the diary and logged off to do some work.

Imagine my surprise (of which there was none) when I came back this afternoon to discover another anti-Hillary diary, this one slightly hysterical and focused on Hillary is44.  Now, I've never been to that site and I don't post there.  I have no idea if what the diarist claims is true, but that's not really the point.  What really got my attention was the incredible vitriol in the comments.  I won't dignify some of the crap I read, but you can feel to check out the "Shrillary" comments for yourself if you like.

We've got a long way to go, people. If I may be so bold, I would like to give Obama supporters a little unsolicited advice, which is worth exactly what you're paying for it: if you really want to help bridge the divide, resist the temptation to tell us how wrong our candidate is. If some fool alleging to be a Clinton supporter says something outrageous, don't take the bait. We all know who the trolls are, there's no need to feed them.

I would also like to thank the reasoned and dedicated Obama and Clinton supporters here at MyDD.  I think it's remarkable how much closer together we've come over the past few weeks, and that's due in large part to people actually making an effort. MyDD is a much more pleasant place than Daily Kos, and likely will be for some time. We've still got some road ahead of us, but we're definitely on the way.

I continue to support Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton (let's face it, she's just awesome!), but if the time comes, I will support Barack Obama with my time, my money and my vote.  And so will Hillary.  What about you?

Update [2008-5-16 20:40:34 by Denny Crane]: It was suggested in the comments that I should acknowledge that there are plenty of nasty anti-Obama diaries written by Clinton supporters, and that's absolutely true. If we are going to win in November, we'll need to come together and stop beating each other up -that goes for both sides. Fellow Clintonistas, we can't expect unity unless we're willing to work for it too. It's not a one way street.

Thanks to DawnG for the suggestion.

Additionally, I returned here to MyDD this afternoon and was truly dismayed t find that very same dairy on the rec list here. I think it's unfortunate that a divisive diary that pretends to be helpful makes the rec list, but such is life.

Tags: Barack Obama, Daily Kos, Hillary Clinton, MyDD (all tags)

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for our two fine candidates and beating John McCain.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 03:25PM | 0 recs
Did you see my diary?

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/5 /16/101123/040/806/516849

Democrats Coming Together: Clinton and Rubin Defend Obama from Bush Charges
by TomP [Subscribe] [Edit Diary]
Fri May 16, 2008 at 07:54:28 AM PDT

Yesterday I wrote a dairy about John Edwards speech endorsing Obama,John Edwards: "We must come together as Democrats," a diary that focused on Democratic Party unity.

Today I see more signs of unity among Democrats.

Yesterday Senator Clinton defended Senator Obama and said President Bush's comparison of him to Nazi appeasers was "offensive and outrageous."  

Today, her foreign policy advisor, James P. Rubin, who was Assistant Secretary of State under President Clinton, wrote an Op-Ed in the Washington Post in which he defended Senator Obama, called out Bush-McCain for "Nixon-style dirty campaign tactics," and exposed McCain's hypocrisy:

The Obama campaign was right to criticize the president for his remarks and for engaging in partisan politics while overseas.

That article likely was written with Senator Clinton's approval.

More on these signs of Democratic Party unity after the fold.  

by TomP 2008-05-16 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Did you see my diary?

I had not seen - thanks for pointing it out to me and thanks for writing it. I rec'd it.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 05:53PM | 0 recs
The first diary...

...you cite is on the rec list here...Didn't you know??

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 03:28PM | 0 recs
Re: The first diary...

It's more evil written in orange ;)

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: The first diary...

I think it had more to do with the comments section. Dunno.  But Daily Kos has turned off Obama supporters also.  You can get some nice pro-Obama diaries there, and some good information on other things.  But constructive criticism is not accepted there for Obama or here for Clinton, that site is just worse because it has alot more people to jump down your throat.

by Tumult 2008-05-16 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Unity! Bush really helped our party this week get in a big group hug. Who would have thought ol' Georgie would help us like he did!

by Cheebs 2008-05-16 03:33PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Good diary.  I agree that there has been considerable progress, but that the vitriol on the blogosphere is by no means gone.  I'm certainly, however, that an overwhelming majority of supporters of both candidates will come together much more quickly than people suspect, for two reasons:

1) It's likely that Hillary will concede on or about June 4th, and in the process will urge - with the strongest language possible - that her supporters support the Democratic nominee.  I'd anticipate her saying something to the effect of, "If you abandon this cause now - if you abandon what the Democratic party and I stand for - then you weren't part of the cause in the first place."

2) George Bush and John McSame.  We needn't say more.

It was an historic primary, and the party is so much stronger for it.  Hillary will play an extremely important role in the renaissance of the Democratic party.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Frankly I move from Obama to Mccain and vice versa  almost on a daily basis .

It really has nothing to do with unity , its ideological with me.

I am just more in line with Mccain on a host of issues , and rev . wrigth , the flag pin  are also issues with me.

Obama just doesn't excite me in anyway , I suspect I would end up voting for him , but now its a day to day thing.

And I have a favorable opinion of him , he ran a better campaign than Hillary Clinton did in terms of the nuts and bolts of a campaign even though she is a better and more electable candidate.

It is a weird day when I can sit through a Mccain speech and agree with more of what he says than Obama and democrats infact sometimes even Hillary Clinton especially on foreign policy and national security which is a primary concern of mine.  

by lori 2008-05-16 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Can't ya give me a early birthday present??

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 03:39PM | 0 recs
Give us a couple months

We can make McCain completely unpalatable for you ;)

by Lost Thought 2008-05-16 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Hey hon-

National security??  The past 8 years have made our national security worse...Look at Iraq, it has made Iran an even stronger threat, unstabilized Afghanistan and Pakistan and North Korea is still doing there thing...Cmon, you can't say that Bush's policy has made us safer...

On top of that I have a cousin who is on his second tour in Iraq..He tells me that he and his buddies only ask for one thing..A Democratic POTUS...

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Right.  McSame has been a total failure on national security, and the policies that he's supported for the last eight years have made us less safe as a nation.  He is proposing more of the same - McSame - so these disastrous results will only continue for the next four years, and we will be that much less safe.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Hey the military is diverse , opinions are as varied as our politics are today .

This is a big military area and I have an immediate kinfolk in Iraq on his 2nd tour now and I can tell you morale is high among his buddies but hey you are going to get a different feel in different places .

The military families here are more in line with Mccain than Obama , obviously we all want to see the boys back but not at the expense of throwing away the gains they have since made under Gen. David Peatreaus.

I will probably end up voting for Obama because of his pro choice position.

by lori 2008-05-16 03:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Have I ever told you I love you :)

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 03:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

OMG!  Heard of sexism?

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-16 04:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

that is surely not what is going on here , i can vouch for hootie.

by lori 2008-05-16 04:21PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

I respect that.  Do you vouch for all women?

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-16 04:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Chill out Denny...as you can see my post was directed at lori...Don't you have more Larry Johnson articles to post??

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 04:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

HEHEHE.  I'm from CHITOWN.  ;)

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-16 04:57PM | 0 recs
Well I live

near Fort Lewis in WA state. We have a LOT of military in this area and i would have to say that more and more are sick of the repugs and this war/occupation.

I see them and talk to them in many different places. More and more you see them showing up at Democratic events and Drinking Liberally.

by kevin22262 2008-05-16 04:28PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

For the sake of discussion, what issues are you much closer to McCain on then Obama?  I ask this only because the only real difference in policy between Clinton and Obama centered on the means to cover the most Americans with heath care, and McCain has no plan and is immeasurably worse than both candidates on the issue.  Other than that, Clinton/Obama and McCain are at the opposite end of the spectrum on basically everything.  If someone is a Democrat - an advocate of Clinton and Obama's policies - how can they possibly switch from one of those candidates to McCain based on ideological and/or policy grounds.  I don't see how that makes any sense.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 03:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Lets just say I am one of those conservative southern democrats supporting Clinton who could be swayed by a Mccain candidacy.

I have made mention of this for over a year now on this blog when Mccain was written off.

by lori 2008-05-16 03:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

That's fair, but why would you support Hillary over McCain?

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 03:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

I'll be honest with you if I am presented with a Hillary Clinton / Mccain matchup that would be a thrill for me because I like them both .

Aside from the fact that she is moderate enough for me to support , she has actually been a hero of mine for a long time in terms of women issues and thats why Obama would have a leg up on Mccain eventually because I don't want to see women thrown back into the wilderness in terms of choice and when Mccain says I'll appoint Strict constructionist judges his stock plummets with me.

I can handle Hillary Clinton's position on Iran and I could handle her position on Iraq before she switched .

Her emphasis on fiscal discipline and balanced budgets is great among other issues.

by lori 2008-05-16 04:08PM | 0 recs
really?

Oh my!

There are few things I would agree with mccain on. Off the top of my head I can name ... breathing, eating, need for water... I will have to get back to you on the others.  ;)

I would seriously like to know what you agree with him on.

by kevin22262 2008-05-16 03:48PM | 0 recs
Re: really?

The main one is that Lori is pro Iraq war.

by map 2008-05-16 03:51PM | 0 recs
The flag pin is an issue with you?

Really?

Please, explain to us all in full detail the import of the flag pin, and why it's one of the key points to use in selecting the United States President.

by Rorgg 2008-05-16 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: The flag pin is an issue with you?

i don't have to explain anything to you . The reasons that are of importance to me that influence my vote is strictly my prerogative and needs know explanation.

I am glad Obama has reversed course now and has decided to start wearing one.

If he didn't think it was important I doubt who would have flipped on it.

You are running for president of the USA it should be a no brainer.

by lori 2008-05-16 04:40PM | 0 recs
They browbeat us into unity

if they just keep telling us how wrong we are and how horrible our candidate is and how she should drop out, we will fall in line. NOT.

by catfish1 2008-05-16 03:37PM | 0 recs
We...

...will follow our Democratic leaders (Clinton and Obama).  The will unite us and our force will be unstoppable in destroying all GOP positions from the POTUS, to the House, to the Senate, to Governors...I have no doubt, the GOP should be afraid, very afraid...

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 03:38PM | 0 recs
Denny Crane? Me likes Shirley Schmidt

ya know, Candice Bergen would make a great Hillary in any biopic.

by Al Rodgers 2008-05-16 03:40PM | 0 recs
Re: Denny Crane? Me likes Shirley Schmidt

Denny Crane: I'll argue it myself. Ban red meat. That cannot pass Constitutional mustard.
Shirley Schmidt: The word is "muster", Denny, but you're right, the law lacks condiments.

Yep, Shirley rocks.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 04:23PM | 0 recs
Denny!

This is an EXCELLENT Diary!

Spot On! Way To Go!

by kevin22262 2008-05-16 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Denny!

Sorry for giving you shit the other day...it was uncalled for..

by hootie4170 2008-05-16 03:48PM | 0 recs
Thank you

by kevin22262 2008-05-16 03:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Unity...how can a party unify when the heads have demonstrated that a faction is no longer desired. I honestly am not grasping the concept. On one hand unity is asked for and on the other .. a new party is emerging..you can't have it both ways. It isn't going to happen in my opinion...the damage is done..

by Liberty 2008-05-16 03:42PM | 0 recs
a new party

is emerging?

What party is that?

by kevin22262 2008-05-16 03:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

I have no idea what you're talking about.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 04:13PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Speaking for this commenter, I refer you to Donna Brazile.

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-16 04:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

i will never support Cult Builder

by engels 2008-05-16 03:43PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Fuck Kos, man. There's too many hotheads on each side. I usually just pay attention to meatworld- I spoke to half a dozen Clinton supporters recently, and none have hard feelings about Obama or any indication they wouldn't vote for him. The people that matter believe in unity and want to work with you.

by ragekage 2008-05-16 03:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Great.  That's 6.  Onnly 20M to go.

by ChitownDenny 2008-05-16 04:25PM | 0 recs
Because you represent 20 million people

Gosh, nice ego there...

by Regenman 2008-05-16 04:50PM | 0 recs
Actually!

Including me, it's 7.  I can think of at least ten other Clinton bloggers here who feel the same.  That's 17.  My parents (WV) voted for Hillary on Tuesday and they will support the nominee.  That's 19.  I also have three colleagues who voted for Hillary and will support the nominee.  That's 22.  

And then you have to include Bill, Hillary, and Chelsea Clinton.  They've pledged to support the nominee.  James Carville has also indicated he would support the nominee.  That bring us up to 26.

That's a pretty good start.  I think we'll get there.

by psychodrew 2008-05-16 08:08PM | 0 recs
put this diary

an the rec list!

by kevin22262 2008-05-16 03:46PM | 0 recs
Okay, I am going to take issue with this.

As a long time Kossack who ended up coming here as a means of actually defending MyDD from accusations of having gone off the edge of sanity.

Things are getting better over there.  But there are still some "Hell no Hillary" people just as there are still "Hell no Obama" people over here. (but things are getting better over here as well)

Being on the fence and not having chosen a side in the great Clinton/Obama deathmatch this primary has turned into, I think the two sites actually have more in common than in difference.

by DawnG 2008-05-16 03:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Okay, I am going to take issue with this.

Infinitely more in common.  George Bush and John McSame have been and will be terrible for our country.  They advocate everything that us Democrats oppose with every fiber of our being.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 03:50PM | 0 recs
Oh, and if I may say...

...I find it rather unusual that you are criticising something you read on daily kos when you weren't even willing to understand what it is exactly they were talking about (namely the http://hillaryis44.blogspot.com/ website).

So I invite you to go to the Hillaryis44 site and if you still think only Obama supporters are haters, then, I'll do my best to avoid you from here on out.

Becuase that site is scarey.  I'm talking freeper scarey.  It's shameful.  And not worthy of defense.

by DawnG 2008-05-16 03:52PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh, and if I may say...

When did I say that only Obama supporters are haters? Did you actually read my diary, or is this just a knee jerk response?   I wrote this:

If some fool alleging to be a Clinton supporter says something outrageous, don't take the bait. We all know who the trolls are, there's no need to feed them.

I have written many, many times that there are nutjobs on both sides, and I've given out my share of TR's to Hillary supporters who cross the line.

I honestly don't have the foggiest idea where you got the idea that I think all the nuts are all on one side, or that I was defending hillaryis44.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 04:11PM | 0 recs
Oh I'm so sorry...

...I missed the part where you chastized Clinton supporters for writing vitrolic anti-Obama diaries.

Ummm...hmm...could you point that out for me?

by DawnG 2008-05-16 04:14PM | 0 recs
oh and if I may say.

Punting the topic by calling them "claims to be" Clinton supporters is kind of disingenuous.

by DawnG 2008-05-16 04:15PM | 0 recs
There's a formal name for that, by the way

It's known as the "No True Scotsman Fallacy".

by Rorgg 2008-05-16 04:25PM | 0 recs
Oh wow!

I didn't know there was a name for it.

And it's got scotsmen too!  what's not to love?

Thanks for the tidbit.

by DawnG 2008-05-16 06:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Oh I'm so sorry...

I'll edit the diary to include that, it's a valid point.  Now can you point out the sections where I defended Hillaryis44 or said that only Obama supporters are out of line?  Or did you just make that up?

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 04:33PM | 0 recs
I never said you did defend it.

I merely said it was indefensible.  

I also said it was odd that you'd criticize the reation to that site when you didn't even see it.

Truthfully I'd be as disgusted if I was presented with an "obamais44" equivilant.  It's the entire behavior that should be condemned, not just which direction (obama supporters or Clinton supporters) it's coming from.

by DawnG 2008-05-16 06:38PM | 0 recs
Re: I never said you did defend it.

With all due respect, Dawn, you also said that indicated that Obama supporters are the only crazy ones, and that just isn't true.

Also, I couldn't care less about the comments regarding hillaryis44 - that's not what I criticized. Calling Hillary Clinton "Shrillary" has nothing to with that website.  That's the issue - hillaryis44 is irrelevant.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 09:57PM | 0 recs
Um...know.

As someone who hasn't taken sides in this primary I openly and eagerly admit there is crazy on both sides.

It's been a point of disgust for me to watch but it's there, on both sides.

by DawnG 2008-05-17 01:45PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

I also really don't think people truly understand how much FUN it is going to be to whack away at McSame.  It's hard to describe how unafraid of the "Republican machine" and "Swiftboating" I am at this point.  Will the smears come?  Sure.  But we will pound these guys to no end.  Let's show some spine and turn John McSame into Abraham Simpson.

by Pat Flatley 2008-05-16 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?
Thanks for the diary.  I read the DKOS posts regularly, and the most highly recommended ones are more about Obama, McCain, the Bush administration, or just plain activism.  You caught one diary that compares Obama to clinton, but that is not wher this blog is headed.  It's the GE now that we are concentrating on and it's absolutely necessary, as time is short and McCain is fucking up on a daily basis while we are playing tug-o-war.  
Whoever your candidate is, the time is now to confront McCain and highlight the differences between the parties.
by haystax calhoun 2008-05-16 04:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

We've all been taking troll-bait too long that we can't tell the difference between them and the real Democrats.

by Skaje 2008-05-16 04:17PM | 0 recs
Gandhi said:

"You must be the change you wish to see in the world."

In other words, let DK mind itself. If you want unity, it starts with you.

by PhilFR 2008-05-16 04:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Gandhi said:

This diarist is making the change. (I don't blame the diarist for stating how some KOS diaries could be very offensive to Hillary supporters.  We need to really empathize with each other, see other person's point of view, put ourselves in their shoes...etc.)

We ALL need to make the change for Unity to happen.  Let's not wait for someone else to go first.  

by hienmango 2008-05-16 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Gandhi said:

Well, yes, I agree with you, sort of. But throwing stones at DK will not help us win in November. I understand that there's a counter-argument to that, that we should be trying to make our venues (and yes, DK is one of our venues) better. And that the continuing venom helps no one, so we should be trying to stop it. But the act of stopping it may well continue it, at least for a little while.

But it's time for all of us to turn our attention toward McSame.

The venom in the Dem primary is finally running it's course. We're at a certain moment in the process, and I have little doubt that those who don't yet see unity as a primary objective will come around soon enough.

by PhilFR 2008-05-16 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Did you post this on Daily Kos?  I think some of the more extreme Kos people need to hear your message.  
(Just be forewarned that your diary may not be well received by some folks over at Daily Kos, but I like your message and Kos people need to be reminded that we are one party.)

Thanks for not painting all of us Obama supporters on to one slate.  I really do think it's past time we democrats get together and work on our COMMON goals.  

by hienmango 2008-05-16 04:29PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

Whichever candidate we support, we're all Democrats.  Except, I continue to suspect that some of the most vitriolic on both sides are Republican trolls.

by Denny Crane 2008-05-16 04:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

You are right, because sometimes when I read certain diaries (and some comments) I wonder how could a Democrat write such a thing about another fellow Democrat?  So I think they are trolls, especially when they say they will vote for McCain over Hillary/Obama.

I've trying to tone down my own writing hoping that in unison with writers like you, we can unite the party.

Although I've noticed that even with conciliatory diaries, someone out there will pick one sentence out of the whole diary and then proceed to condemn the writer. I try to see the bigger message instead of picking out that one sentence I disagree with.  As long as the message is to unite, your diary for example, I am fine with any disagreements the writer may have with me because we can bridge the gap and reconcile our differences later. (Which I think are usually petty differences and should have not been brought up in the first place).  We need to work on the way we've been treating each other, cause lord knows both Hillary and Obama supporters have been misbehaving!

by hienmango 2008-05-16 04:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Unity? What Unity?

"In that spirit, I made a trip over to Daily Kos this morning, wondering if the tide of unity was at least lapping the shores there yet.  It isn't."

You should have been there the night of Indiana and North Carolina.  It was a snugglefest.  Unity was the word of the day.  Then the primary didn't end, as everyone had pretty much expected it would.

When the primary DOES end, please believe me when I say the Daily Kos community will welcome Clinton supporters with open arms, for any who will accept it.

by BishopRook 2008-05-16 04:35PM | 0 recs
I'm a Kossack and an Obama supporter

But I agree that the tone over there has gotten out of hand. I don't appreciate hit diaries on Obama, but I also don't think it's right for people to piss on positive diaries about Clinton. Whenever someone posts a pro-Clinton diary I make a point of recommending it.

I hope that Kossacks will settle down and that all Democrats will eventually feel welcome there again, once we have a nominee.

by democrattotheend 2008-05-16 05:01PM | 0 recs
Where is the line

Personally I don't trash Hillary herself, and have even written a diary praising her.  But if people make ridiculous claims and specious arguments I do call them out.

by JJE 2008-05-16 05:40PM | 0 recs
Nobody is Perfect

Both canidates are HUMAN. They are flawed, they are ignorant of some things, they have limited strength and limited intellect. They have big hearts but cannot feel for everyone. They have great minds but cannot answer all questions. Some times they do not do  what they promise, sometimes they do. They are flawed and Human, so dont mind the critism its valid for all of us on this earth.

by edtastic 2008-05-16 05:54PM | 0 recs
Excellent Diary

I wish I could rec it twice!

by psychodrew 2008-05-16 08:37PM | 0 recs

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