Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over Photo

Here is ABSOLUTE PROOF that this so-called Clinton "leak" of this Obama Somali dress photo is bogus.  Follow the timeline.

Time:  Saturday night, February 23, 7:25pm Pacific.  Some right-wing poster at freerepublic.com posts a scanned photo --taken from the National Examiner supermarket tabloid of February 4, 2008-- of Obama in the Somali clothing. 

Freerepublic.com post Saturday Night February 23.

Later freerepublic posts specifically state that someone has to "get this to Drudge".  

As regards Drudge, who in their right mind would think that someone from the Clinton campaign would say "Hey Drudge, post this photo of Obama and please state that it was leaked by a Clinton Campaign Staffer!".  Patently absurd.

This case is closed, and the Obama campaign now has to make it clear that it's the right-wing that's trying to damage him, NOT Senator Clinton's campaign, with this photograph.  If they don't, it's tantamount to perpetuating a lie.  

Yeah, I know...Now the mantra will be "I bet it was a Clinton staffer who posted it on freerepublic!".  Please...don't bother with that crap.  Enough is enough.  

Tags: freerepublic; smear; apologize; clinton (all tags)

Comments

128 Comments

Re: Obama camp

umm..the new york times reported today that it came from a clinton official...so obama should not have to apologize.

by mecarr 2008-02-26 04:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp

Do you have a link to that?

by Inky 2008-02-26 04:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp

I checked the NY Times this morning, and they reported no such thing.  They reported on the flap, and stated that, "It has not been independently verified that the photograph came from the Clinton campaign."  See here.

Note: two Clinton officials separately denied knowledge of the photo and also the much touted Clinton staffer with "links to Drudge" further denied knowledge of the photo.  

Given that the photo was: 1. Published in a tabloid this month; and 2. bandied about by Freepers this weekend, I think that the preponderance of evidence supports the theory that the Clinton campaign is NOT the source, and the picture probably wound its way to Drudge via some other source.  And, I'm sure that Drudge got what he wanted, since he was mentioned in every national news broadcast last night - even on NPR and the BBC.

by mgee 2008-02-26 04:31AM | 0 recs
Don't waste your breath

Being an Obama supporter means never having to say you're sorry.

by Beltway Dem 2008-02-26 08:19AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't waste your breath

How true!, LMAO!

by ginaswo 2008-02-26 08:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Don't waste your breath

Being a Clinton supporter means never seeing your candidate become President!

by doschi 2008-02-26 08:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Don't waste your breath

Seen the latest poll?

http://www.internetnewsagency.com/storyl ink_430_378.aspx

You can't win a Presidential election in this country when the only people who will vote for you are Internet fanboys and fangirls.  And apparently, you can't even win a Democratic primary, even with Republicans crossing over to help you out!

by RedSox04 2008-05-01 05:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp

I'll be danged.  On MSNBC this morning, Bob Shrum said it was so!  That the NYT said so!  

(Forgive my cynicism, but I think he's angling for a gig with the Obama campaign.  Sure hope they hire him.  Snort.)

by susanhu 2008-02-26 08:47AM | 0 recs
So many Democrats are turning into Dick Morris

I have never seen such ungrateful backstabbing in my life.  They all better hope Hillary doesn't end up winning the nomination and the presidency because their calls will not get returned.

by diplomatic 2008-02-26 09:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp

Imagine that!  Something false being reported about Hillary Clinton on MSNBC!  Well, this is truly a first!  Never mind, I'm sure Keith Olberman will correct the record. (/snark)

by mtnspirit 2008-02-26 09:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp

Heh. Yeah, MSNBC has been so meticulous about its balanced coverage on the Democratic candidates this primary season. I'm sure they'll right this wrong. And hey, even if Keith doesn't manage to correct the record, Chris Matthews will play hardball with everyone who was foolish enough to preemptively blame Hillary (for whom he is clearly in the tank). A fair-minded fellow like Chris will undoubtedly ensure that justice is done and that the Clinton campaign has a fair say. Yup. He'll get to the bottom of this. Thank god for the good folks at MSNBC.

by sricki 2008-02-26 09:48AM | 0 recs
Then why

hasn't the Clinton campaign denied being the source?

It is amazing that they didn't slam this story shut.

by fladem 2008-02-26 11:44AM | 0 recs
They Did!

"I just want to make it very clear that we were not aware of it, the campaign didn't sanction it and don't know anything about it," Clinton spokesman Howard Wolfson said in a teleconference with reporters. "None of us have seen the e-mail in question. If anybody has independent reporting that they've done on it I would welcome it."

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 11:52AM | 0 recs
Re: They Did!

This was in the late afternoon.  Williams had a chance to issue such a statement in the morning and shut down the story. But she didn't - another example of an incompetent campaign.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 12:44PM | 0 recs
Re: They Did!

OK, they could have done a better job of denying it.

Point granted.

And the Obama campaign should have been smart enough to not embrace the story without any proof that it came from Clinton.

Does this make his campaign incompetent?

Or worse?

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 01:09PM | 0 recs
They were crazy

like a fox.  They clearly won this exchange.

I think we are learning how important Carvelle and Begala were to the Clinton War room in this cycle.

This group can't shoot straight.  

by fladem 2008-02-26 01:49PM | 0 recs
Re: They Did!

You are repeating dumb Obama talking points.

When an allegation like this is made, a campaign, which is a really big and diverse group of both paid workers and volunteers, needs to check its facts.

What if Hillary had immediately denied it, and then the NY Times found out that some low level unpaid staffer had sent Drudge the photo?  Then people like you would be claiming that Hillary was a liar.

This is how campaigns work.  You do due diligence before you make absolute claims.  Even then, you hold your breath and cross your fingers.

by RedSox04 2008-05-01 05:12AM | 0 recs
not from CLinton

The NYT report I read said that there had been no outside verification of the email having anything to do with the Clinton staff.

So far as I know it is just a Drudge claim; if he really has staff email, why hasn't he released that?

There is proof that it has been around for much longer. And even Drudge didn't claim the CLinton staff person had sent it to HIM; he just said he had 'obtained' an email commenting on it.

The origin of the photo is established. It's still at a reputable African site, www.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.ht m

Some sensible coverage: http://bigheaddc.com/2008/02/25/drudge-f alsely-accuses-clinton-of-obama-photo-ti es/   VERY SENSIBle, they asked africa!

It's been talked about and linked to since at least Feb 11: http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:adB TPDeWAgMJ:forums.sohh.com/showthread.php %3Ft%3D976671+komo_somalikenya.jpg&h l=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us& client=opera

One of the MSM blogs (Tapper?) said he has been getting it in email for quite a while -- though not from any Clinton staff.

by 1950democrat 2008-02-26 10:32AM | 0 recs
NYT says no evidence of Clinton staff involvement

No, the NYT said there is no confirmation of any connection with any Clinton staff. If Drudge did have such an email, he should release it, not just assert claims about it.

The origin of the photo is established. It's still at a reputable African site, www.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.ht m

Some sensible coverage: http://bigheaddc.com/2008/02/25/drudge-f alsely-accuses-clinton-of-obama-photo-ti es/   VERY SENSIBle, they asked africa!

It's been talked about and linked to since at least Feb 11: http://209.85.173.104/search?q=cache:adB TPDeWAgMJ:forums.sohh.com/showthread.php %3Ft%3D976671+komo_somalikenya.jpg&h l=en&ct=clnk&cd=8&gl=us& client=opera

One of the MSM blogs (Tapper?) said he has been getting it in email for quite a while -- though not from any Clinton staff.

The rightwingers were posting it and talking about sending it to Drudge; doubtless some of them did. Drudge decided to link it to 'Clinton staff'. Actually he didn't claim Clinton staff SENT it to him -- just that he 'obtained' an email where they were commenting on it.

No other media got anything like this from Clinton staff.

The clear thing is that Obama's people jumped in with a vile accusation against Hillary, then admitted they didn't really know anything about the story!

by 1950democrat 2008-02-26 10:43AM | 0 recs
didn't need to

it gave Obama a chance to play the victim again, he's going for that sympathy vote he wrongly claims Hillary gets.  He's amazing, he'll do anything to get the nom.  He likes to play dumb, but why? Does he think the people are too dumb to want a great president?  There is some game plan her, and I don't like it.   At least Dick had his prostitute, what's Obama getting? (Oh, yeah, he gets to be the nom? She wants a job, he wants a title?)  

by anna shane 2008-02-26 01:45PM | 0 recs
But what I don't understand is

why didn't the Clinton campaign issue a denial? Perhaps there's something I'm missing (that wouldn't be a first), but why bother to issue a statement without refuting the allegations that the photo came from the Clinton campaign?

by Inky 2008-02-26 04:19AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

I suspect that Williams was trying to push back without (much) knowledge, but also didn't want picture to rule the news cycle, with headlines like: Clinton denies racist smear.  See how that works?  Later in the day, two separate Clinton officials denied knowledge of the photo, and the staffer linked to Drudge also denied knowledge of the photo.  

by mgee 2008-02-26 04:34AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

That makes some sense, but in that case it seems like a lose/lose proposition for the Clinton campaign (I guess it wouldn't be a first). As you probably know, the Obama camp has been making hay with the Drudge allegation, portraying the Clinton camp as purveyors of smear tactics who are trying to fan the flames of xenophobia. I wish it were possible to clearly refute that charge.

by Inky 2008-02-26 04:49AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

Me too.  Wolfson pretty strongly questioned whether the press had independent confirmation.  They don't.  Still: once the charge is out there, it takes on a new life of its own.  Lose/lose/lose/lose/lose for the Clinton campaign, as far as I can tell.  

by mgee 2008-02-26 05:21AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

That's the whole idea. Impossible to refute that charge or the implications. Just like it was hard to refute the charge of race baiting before S.C. Works just like the "do you still beat your wife?" question. Whether it is true or not, the damage has already been done. Funny how that works.

by georgiapeach 2008-02-26 05:35AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

And it changed the debate nicely, did it not, since Obama was losing the smear argument on the Nafta and Health Insurance Mailers.

by mtnspirit 2008-02-26 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

The question is, will she call him on it in tonights debate, or go back to being conciliatory? And if she does call him on it, how quickly will they go to commercial?

by georgiapeach 2008-02-26 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

ROTFL...will they parody SNL?

Seriously, I don't think the moderators will be able to let it pass.  They'll still play it out in favor of Obama.  First they'll give them this question, and then they'll immediately follow up with some kind of question that allows Obama to portray her as a hypocrite.  And of course, they'll give him the last word.  Just a guess.

by mtnspirit 2008-02-26 11:22AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

Probably a pretty good guess. Any predictions on when the media will turn on him? My money is on next Wednesday or Thursday, if Clinton doesn't blow him out in Ohio and Texas. The coverage is already going from absolutely glowing and effusive to just plain old positive. Once they think he has the nomination sewn up, they will start picking apart everything he says and does, and digging into his past and reporting on it. It won't happen all at once. There will be a gradual shift that will become an avalanch by November.

by georgiapeach 2008-02-26 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

HELLO! ITS DRUDGE!

Its LOSE LOSE for Obama and Clinton

SAME THING W/ NOVAK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This is the second time the Obama camp has fired off at Clinton without any proof.

Obama, being led by the RWNM.

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-26 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

my gd so much energy on just one little picture-what the hell does he think is going to happen when he's president? what that he's just going wear only suits/ties to every single country? Lighten up dude-be proud you broke loose of the tie and wore something different for a change!  Does he really think we're all tht stupid and that we all really care whether he had this stuff or not and what does it all mean...maybe it just means it was laundry day and that's all he had clean to wear...
  Bam-as my mother used ta say. "if ya can't take the heat then get outta the kitchen!!!"  Thicken up boy, thicken up.

 Also whatever happened to "transparency" if you can't be transparent about this little number how can I trust that you'll be transparent in office?

by artsyker 2008-02-27 12:24AM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

She was so incompetent that this nondenial kept the story alive.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:18AM | 0 recs
No...

The campaign issued a clear denial.

What keeps the story alive is all this denying the denial.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 12:19PM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

"why didn't the Clinton campaign issue a denial? Perhaps there's something I'm missing (that wouldn't be a first), but why bother to issue a statement without refuting the allegations that the photo came from the Clinton campaign?"

My take on it stems from the statement that Clinton has over 700 staffers.  I think they were afraid to deny that a Clinton staffer leaked the picture only to have it come out later that in fact it had.  I believe that the honestly didnt know for sure and were being careful.  It would be a bitch to deny only to find out that someone was off the reservation.

And in their infinite hatred of Clinton, everyone took the lack of denial as "proof" that she in fact was playing dirty tricks.

The Clintons are not my favorite people, but all the hate has me rooting for them because I feel that they are good honest Democrats and are taking a totally unfair beating from Obama supporters.  For that reason, I will not lift a finger to help the Obama campaign in my state.  Not that it matters... I live in South Dakota  LOL!

by Dave B 2008-02-26 08:17AM | 0 recs
It goes both ways...

since the Clinton supporters can be shown as using negative tactics and attacks would you not help her either? If you aren't lifting a finger to help Democrats win in November then you aren't a Democrat. If you'll help one but not the other you'll have to explain why? And not the bs that you gave above.

by Erik 2008-02-26 12:47PM | 0 recs
Re: But what I don't understand is

B/c they couldn't know for certain that some low level staff - one of among 700 staff didn't forward it and they weren't about to waste time grilling all 700 folks this close to make or beak primaries.

I wouldn't have legitimzed BO's hissy fit over this w/ a denial either.

This is just another diversion - another excuse to NOT be talking about the issues that really matter.

by alegre 2008-02-26 08:39AM | 0 recs
Re: STOP PRETENDING- THEY DID

Drudge linked the photo to Hillary. Why would they attempt to defend the picture instead of attacking Drudge. Hillary's campaign response does not make sense unless it was true. First Response

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed.

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-26 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: STOP PRETENDING- THEY DID

It may be true that the Clinton campaign should have been more disciplined and not said anything qualitative about the picture. On the other hand, if they did, critics might be suggesting that their silence is in some way suspicious. Damned if you do, and damned if you don't. That's been the story of this entire campaign.

And in any case, how does their statement that the pictures are no big deal lead to any conclusions about the source of the picture?

Further, what they are saying is that there is nothing wrong with dressing up in native costumes. How is that a slap at Obama?

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 11:59AM | 0 recs
Well, just reading the thread...

"I hesitated to say...but I scanned it from a tabloid...but it's only about a week old."

That's one of the quotes posted on Saturday night; overall, doesn't look like a Clinton campaign leak (looks like an Star Magazine sort of deal in the first place).  The New York Times may have gotten this one wrong (it's not like they're perfect).

by ejintx 2008-02-26 04:23AM | 0 recs
Umm, with over 700 staffers onboard...

how could they unequivocally say that at the time?  Regardless, the proof is in the link above.  Whether there was an official refutation or not, reading is believing.  

Doesn't it make more sense that the right-wingers now assume Obama's going to be the nominee, and want to begin the process of trying to unfairly tarnish him?  Come on, people.  Let's be fair here.  

by DaTruth 2008-02-26 04:23AM | 0 recs
Re: Umm, with over 700 staffers onboard...

I understand all that, but I don't understand why the campaign didn't issue a statement  that the it did not authorize the release of the photo, and if that if someone on their staff did so independently, that person would be dealt with harshly.

Why did the it remain silent about the allegation and allow itself to be tarnished by the presumption that it was involved with phot's release?

by Inky 2008-02-26 04:33AM | 0 recs
Re: "I just want to make it very clear

Drudge linked the photo to Hillary. Why would they attempt to defend the picture instead of attacking Drudge. Hillary's campaign response does not make sense unless it was true. First Response

If Barack Obama's campaign wants to suggest that a photo of him wearing traditional Somali clothing is divisive, they should be ashamed.

by JoeCoaster 2008-02-26 10:29AM | 0 recs
OK, let's look at that statement...

Please explain to me how that statement implicates the Clinton campaign in any way?

What is your point?

What it seems to me is that they are saying that Obama should have scoffed at the notion that the picture is in any way hurtful. That he should have ridiculed the notion that it was anything other than a right wing slime tactic.

For him to adopt the position that it is in some way embarrassing or hurtful to his campaign to have the picture in the public is shameful, because it gives credence to the notion that dressing up in native costumes is in some way unamerican or wrong.

Further, to jump to the conclusion that the Clinton campaign was behind it with no proof is shameful.

I agree with the Clinton campaign that the Obama campaigns response to this has been shameful. It is.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 12:09PM | 0 recs
Correct response...

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/2/26/8 4755/2577/97#97

Place blame where it is deserved.

by Erik 2008-02-26 12:51PM | 0 recs
It cost the Clinton Campaign

a news cycle, since Williams' initial statement was ambiguous.

This was a very stupid reaction on the part of the Clinton campaign.  Here is what they should have said"

"The story that appears on Drudge is offensive, and no one authorized by the Clinton campaign to issue press releases was responsible it.

We find the Obama campaign's eagerness to highlight this story an obvious attempt to change the subject from the increasing attention being paid to their deliberate attempts to mislead people about Senator Clinton's record. "

This is an incompetent campaign.

by fladem 2008-02-26 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

Your implication that Obama leaked it is as absurd as any claim.

by Socks The Cat 2008-02-26 04:32AM | 0 recs
it crossed my mind too

but I didn't accuse him the way he was so quick to accuse her. Now we know it was neither, sure glad I held my fire, oh, wait, I'm a nobody, no one cares what I think.  But, I'm sure no one listened to Obama either and hated Hillary even more and vowed to defeat her to show their love and respect for him?  Well, last night I ran into a friend who said, did you hear what Hillary did to Obama, he says so himself, it must be true.  I'm sure not voting for her, if she wins I'll vote for McCain. So, Senator Obama, thanks so much for standing up for our party, not!

by anna shane 2008-02-26 11:09AM | 0 recs
Maybe they were doing due diligence...

What would have happened if they categorically denied it, and found out later that some staffer actually leaked it?  

Again, none of this is the point.  The point is that this "leak" originated on right-wing sites.
It's time to make that absolutely clear, rather than perpetuate the myth of the Clinton campaign involvement.

by DaTruth 2008-02-26 04:41AM | 0 recs
Correct repsonse...

http://www.mydd.com/comments/2008/2/26/8 4755/2577/19#19

The Clinton campaign are highly paid incompetents.

by Erik 2008-02-26 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over
"Dodd is a slut.." You stay classy, milady
by John in Chicago 2008-02-26 05:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

No I don't think Obama leak this photo.  

And I don't think Clinton leak this photo.  They know it will boomerang back to her in a second, as it already proved yesterday.

I think we DEM have to stay vigilance on right wing slipping divisive tactic to setup a crash between Obama and Clinton.

We are a fool playing into their hands.  Whoever jump on Clinton's throat yesterday was wrong.  And whoever jump on Obama's throat today is wrong.

Obama needs to recognize that they play into rightwing hand yesterday, limit the damage, reconcile with Clinton and move on.

by JoeySky18 2008-02-26 05:26AM | 0 recs
Don't hold your breath

waiting for Obama or anybody in his camp to apologize for anything. They haven't yet, nor have they been held accountable for anything their staffers have done. Hillary Clinton fired the staffer who brought up Obama's coke use, but the Obama campaign hasn't been held to the same standard.

by georgiapeach 2008-02-26 05:38AM | 0 recs
Bill Shaheen was not staffer...

he was a NH co chair of her campaign and he resigned he wasn't fired.

by Erik 2008-02-26 12:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill Shaheen was not staffer...

Fired or resigned because of the uproar to make it look better. What's the difference. Anybody leave Obama's campaign over the Punjab comment? Anybody in the media asking if it would happen or calling for it during their miniscule coverage of the incident?

by georgiapeach 2008-02-26 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

The Clinton response was confusing and disorganized. It would have been easy to say we did not and would not authorize any such thing and if we find out that anyone connected with the campaign was behind it they will be fired. In the mean time Drudge is hardly a credible source and we have not been able to find any evidence that it did come from anyone connected to the campaign.

Instead it was something to the effect of even if someone did it without our knowledge it's no big deal. Then some following qualifying statements. Why is Penn getting paid millions?

by hankg 2008-02-26 07:02AM | 0 recs
Re: very clear

To bad they were not speaking with one voice. Keystone cops messaging.

by hankg 2008-02-26 08:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

BO never apologizes for anything -- not his sexist remarks, not the abusive behavior of his fans, not 527s lying about Hillary, not about his own negative and deceitful advertising.

He puts out trash and says Hillary made a mess. He runs the most vicious and cynical "politics as usual" -- chicago style politics -- campaign, and out of the side of his mouth offers us hope for a new way.

It makes me kind a sick to my stomach.

by seattlegonz 2008-02-26 08:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

Please provide links for his sexist remarks and these other allegations.

I can provide links for the racist and negative remarks by the Clinton campaign.

by Erik 2008-02-26 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

So, Hillary never has the class to concede a loss and congratulate her opponent.

She probably won't have the class to drop out after she loses Texas on March 4th.

She'd rather take the party down kicking and screaming with her than give up what she thinks is her birthright.

by doschi 2008-02-26 08:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

You guys literally make me sick. If you don't see your own sexism I cannot help you. I will be hoping, praying and urging Hillary to not concede this race for any reason. She's got half the delegates and a majority of women (which make up the majority of the democratic party) on her side.

We will not give up, or sit down, or bow down to the misogyny that is threatening to claim the democratic party as its own. In the old days democrats stood up for civil rights and women's rights. BO's campaign is a disgrace.

by seattlegonz 2008-02-27 08:10AM | 0 recs
How does

stupid crap like this make the rec list?

Honestly.  Nobody is going to be apologizing to anyone about this or anything else.

You guys are too much, really.  T

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-26 08:02AM | 0 recs
Re: How does truth not matter?

I don't think "truth" is very highly regarded by a lot of people in the Obama camp - especially when that truth acquits Hillary of one of the innumerable vicious charges leveled at her by Obama and his surrogates.

by sricki 2008-02-26 10:02AM | 0 recs
Re: How does truth not matter?

it isn't the 'truth.'  Just a story you have convinced yourself MUST be true.

You won't have to worry about this sort of thing for much longer; I'd say about 8 days, maybe 9 tops.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-02-26 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

What Obama needs to do is hunt down every copy of that picture and burn them. It's so comical that the voters will laugh at him over and again.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 08:04AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Yes, he's such a comical figure he's won 25 out of 36 races!

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:23AM | 0 recs
Re: this Dem will

I respect your right as a citizen to do as you wish. But I would vote for Clinton if she were the nominee and she has done things that have bothered me quite a bit.

Again, your choice and your right.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Typical Obama supporter. Avoid the obvious.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 09:22AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama
The picture itself is a non-issue.

Republican's could do a lot more with a picture of Hillary in Palestinian garb posing with Yasir Arafat's wife:

http://www.juancole.com/graphics/clintonaf/hillaryandsuha.jpg">
by hankg 2008-02-26 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

And the story about representing the man accused of rape and making things up about the victim to undermine her credibility would be Clinton's Willie Horton.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Well, then Obama has 15 Willie Hortons. Get ready!

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Name one.

by doschi 2008-02-26 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Rezko

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-27 02:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama
All of this hypocritical concern trolling about Obama being vetted or how the Republicans will smear him is as full of crap as showing "concern" about what Republicans will do with all the above and what ever else Republicans will dig up that they think they can distort about the Clintons. No matter who runs the Republicans will not need pictures or half-truths or out of context 'facts' they will just make stuff up. Obama has so far had a much more disciplined and on message campaign machine. He also has more money and broader and better human resources to draw from to get that message out. He is showing himself better prepared to take advantage of the opposition's mistakes, parry their attacks and out think, organize and fund raise them. He is ready on day one for the national campaign.
by hankg 2008-02-26 09:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Considering how he handled the patriotism flap I would say not. His campaign botched that one. You don't run around lecturing the country like a college professor when you screw up. You throw it back in their face.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 09:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

He did.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 12:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

Sorry but he did not. He lectured like a college professor. Stupid.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 12:58PM | 0 recs
Re: mainelib- let us at least put this one issue
Bravo, Psycho. ;) Excellent points.

(Sorry about your friend.)

by sricki 2008-02-26 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama

You're kidding right? Do you really think that picture is as bad as Obama's? RTFLMAO! That picture is nothing compared to Obama's.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 09:23AM | 0 recs
Yep, the damage has already been done to

Hillary, once again. What I learned from this little fiasco is what I already knew and what has already been demonstrated. Obama supporters will instantly turn on anyone who criticizes their anointed one, or just simply supports Hillary - no matter their credentials - and instantly cite as authoritatative anyone who supports their narrative, no matter how far out in wingnutty land they may be, i.e., Drudge. Very telling, really...

by Rumarhazzit 2008-02-26 08:17AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

And now a top Clinton surrogate is keeping the flap alive by saying that the picture on Drudge yesterday shows Obama in the clothing of "his native country"?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XnLSkWulP VE

Isn't she stating - not just implying - that Obama is not really an American?

It's either a smear or rank incompetence.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:20AM | 0 recs
Re: poor victim obama.

Actually, I've gained quite a lot of confidence in him as a prospective nominee to see how quick and agile his campaign has been in responding to attacks in the last two weeks.

Frankly, it reminds me of the great War Room of the 1992 Clinton campaign team.  You have to do everything right to win as an insurgent.  And Bill Clinton and Barack Obama have been quite competent insurgent candidacies.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:35AM | 0 recs
Re: since I was there and you were not

Excuse me...where were you?

And on what point do we disagree?

by mainelib 2008-02-26 08:50AM | 0 recs
Relying on Drudge as a source

= "doing everything right?"

???

You're kidding me, right.  It was a major blunder for them to outright accuse the Clinton campaign based on such a slim reed of evidence.  "Don't believe Drudge without confirmation" is holy writ for Democrats.  He is a known GOP stooge.

If they get away with this, it's only for the same reason that they've gotten away with their other blunders:  because the press is, in fact, totally in the tank for Obama.

by Trickster 2008-02-26 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Relying on Drudge as a source

When you can provide evidence that this has hurt the Obama campaign, then I'll conclude you are right.

by mainelib 2008-02-26 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Relying on Drudge as a source

It will come back to haunt him in the general when the GOP uses Drudge to unload on his campaign. After all, he believes Drudge is a reliable source right? It's utterly stupid. We want to shut these people down not give them credibility and Obama's campaign took it hook, line and sinker. Dumb.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 09:27AM | 0 recs
Against Hillary

Obama can apparently get away with anything.  He'd better not pull some bush league crap like this against McCain, though, the press will stuff it up his rear so far it'll come out his nose.

I mean really now.  He assumed Drudge to be a good source and launched a very personal attack against his opponent based on Drudge's word.  That's way way way way way across the line.

by Trickster 2008-02-26 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: poor victim obama.
No, poor victim Hillary. Once again screwed by her own incompetent campaign.
by hankg 2008-02-26 09:26AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

Does anyone smell conspiracy here?  I myself find that it is no coincidence that the first female dem front-runner is pitted against the first african-american dem front-runner.  This is too much of a coincidence not to be pre-planned.  I am starting to think this is a conspiracy by the republicans.

I believe Clinton's aide when he says Clinton camp has nothing do with the the photo of Obama in muslim clothes.  I do feel Obama's allegation (that it is a smear on her part) is a misplaced allegation.  However, I wouldn't put it past the repugs to publish something like this, knowing that Obama may be the nominee.  Repugs are already trying to discredit him.  My prediction:  repugs are controlling media against Clinton, in favor of BHO, and when BHO gets nomination they are going to sink him with (1) cocaine use, (2) lack of experience, (3) muslim garb photos, (4) his link to Black Nation of Islam (donors), (5) Rezko, (6) etc., (7) etc.  I don't think Obama deserves the negative press, but I am suspicious that there is a conspiracy happening to keep a republican in the white house.  

by findthesource 2008-02-26 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

It certainly seems that way sometimes. The GOP has a truckload wating to unload on Obama. He'll be on the defensive the entire election. They're saying it'll take about 2 weeks to wipe him out. That may be the only truth they've told this entire election season.

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 09:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

C'mon Georgia, what about our bet?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 11:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

What bet?

by Ga6thDem 2008-02-26 11:15AM | 0 recs
Rezko trial starts Monday

It will be going on the entire election cycle. Obama's name will be mentioned daily with a future convicted felon. Not good.

by bigbay 2008-02-26 07:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

I hear that argument a lot about Obama.  Some version of "he's too naive to handle what the Republicans will throw at him".  But just look what happened here.  A photo mysteriously appears of Obama dressed in Islamic garb, supposedly one of his weaknesses that the GOP is waiting to exploit, and what happens?  All of a sudden, it makes Hillary look bad and people on this site are demanding an apology from...Obama.  I'd say that's not bad political judo.

True.  We don't know where the photo came from and it seems unlikely that it was the Clinton campaign at this point.

But.  Obama sure figured out how to use it to his advantage.  At this point, it doesn't even matter who put it out there.  The Obama campaign somehow got this to stick on the Clinton campaign.

True.  He is a media darling at the moment.

But.  I don't see how that's worse than being hated by the media at this point.

True.  The Republicans are way more sneaky than this (at least that's what we tend to think).

But.  Look, nothing has stuck to this guy so far:  Drug use as a teen, possible connections to Islam, some half-baked theory about a '60s radical, a silly picture of him in a Somali garb, some made-up story about not saying the Pledge of Allegiance.  Plus having all of this stuff come out now, while everyone is fixated on the Democratic primary, may give all of it an "old hat" quality when the Republicans pull it out in a few months.

I'm not sure what else he can do at this point to make people think he can take the heat.

by the mollusk 2008-02-26 10:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

Wait. What would be the advantage to put out anything negative on Obama now? They need the help of Repubs and Indys for him to get the nomination. Once he's got it, they'll let loose.

by jen 2008-02-26 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

Not sure I'm following, but I'll give it a try.

First, I never said any of this came from the Repbublicans.  I'm not well-versed enough to say unequivocally that it came from the Clinton camp either.  But whatever the genesis, Obama has done pretty well deflecting these whisper campaigns.

Second, I'm also not sure the Republicans have held back as much as you say.  After all, if you look at right-wing blogs (sorry to admit that I do sometimes), there is some gathering momentum in trying to pick up anti-Obama stories (which are, frankly, indistinguishable from the left-wing anti-Obama stories).  Also, McCain himself has aired a few trial balloons about Obama being "inexperienced" and "etc".

Lastly, sometimes Occum's razor is a decent tool.  You say the Republicans are intentionally holding back as a way of double-crossing Obama later.  Well, I guess that could be.  But maybe he's winning without the help of a Karl Rove kabala.  Just sayin'.

by the mollusk 2008-02-26 12:50PM | 0 recs
Do you remember the 1990s?

This is a teeny-weeny kerfluffle compared to what the RWNM does in high gear.  And actually, he hasn't handled stuff all that well (i.e., his wife's stupid remark about being proud of this country).

by newhorizon 2008-02-26 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Do you remember the 1990s?

I suppose this could be "teeny-weeny" as you say, but I still don't see how Obama could be doing much better with this.  His team responds rapidly, he keeps his cool, and so far everything thrown at him has made the throwers look worse.  I have no doubt the Repubs would come after him with the dirtiest innuendoest stuff they can muster, but so far that hasn't worked against him and his team seems to "get it", at least in my view.

by the mollusk 2008-02-27 04:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you remember the 1990s?

Getting suckered by two high-profile RWNM blowhards, Novak and Drudge, isn't exactly "getting it."  

by newhorizon 2008-02-27 05:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you remember the 1990s?

Suckered is in the eye of the beholder, I suppose.  The bottom line is that this has not hurt Obama in any appreciable way and may have hurt the Clinton camp more.  Now, I suppose you could argue that Drudge was trying to do Obama a favor by pinning this on Hillary.  Although I'm not so sure of that logic.  You'd have to believe that Drudge has chosen sides in the Democratic primary and has chosen Obama.  And that he was intending to help Obama by double-crossing Clinton in some way.  I don't know, seems like a pretty complicated way to help somebody.

As I said above, we can gauge the success of Obama's response to this by the fact that a doggedly pro-Clinton poster on MyDD is demanding an apology from...Obama.  You only demand apologies when your side has been hurt in some way.  All the Democrats did from 2001 to 2005 was demand apologies from the Republicans who steamrolled them.  Personally, I'd rather be the one deciding whether to apologize than the one demanding the apology.

by the mollusk 2008-02-27 06:30AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you remember the 1990s?

Well, I doubt that Drudge was trying to help anyone but himself.  What Drudge (and Novak) showed is that whatever they offered up, regardless of their well-known histories of being right-wing shills and regardless of how flimsy or irrelevant the item was, was taken at face value by Obama's campaign.  That's the "suckered" part.  

by newhorizon 2008-02-27 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: This has been a huge help to Obama

and I'd also give it a "Potential Lose" for the Republicans.  The next iteration of this story (presuming it is in several months coming from Republicans) will have a stale whiff to it and a decent history of refutation.

by the mollusk 2008-02-26 10:15AM | 0 recs
Amazing Isn't It?

Here's what I think is amazing about Picturegate:

1. Drudge, the right wing slime machine, takes a perfectly innocuous picture of Obama and posts it saying that it was 'circulated' by 'Clinton staffers.'

2. Clinton denies that the campaign had anything to do with it.

3. The main stream media repeats the Drudge allegation over and over again, and dismisses the Clinton denial in the most caustic and nasty way.

4. Obama jumps on the band wagon and launches into Clinton.

Look what was accomplished and who is hurt.

A. Clinton is slimed as someone who "Will do anything to win."

B. Obama is slimed as an "unpatriotic Muslim." Something that is reinforced by his 'outrage' over the incident.

Anyone notice that these are two Republican narratives...

Both the Democrats are hurt and the Drudge is laughing his way to the general election.

What Obama needs to learn is that he will not win by playing the game this way. He should have taken the position that this is whole thing is ridiculous and blame Drudge and the Republican slime machine for their silly tactics. Instead he embraced the canard. He is playing right into their hands, and he can not win in the fall if he plays the game this way. They will chop him up into little pieces.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Amazing Isn't It?

BINGO!

by sepulvedaj3 2008-02-26 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Amazing Isn't It?
Picturegate? Hah! Love it.
by sricki 2008-02-26 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Amazing Isn't It?

This is exactly what the Republicans need. With the excitement of Democrats, and the distaste in the general public for Repuglicans, they need us to have a bloody primary so we come divided.  Hopefully the comments of not voting for so and so are just a phase.  We need to stand united.  Remember what will happen people if Republicans retain the WH

by SocialDem 2008-02-26 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

This was the original picture that was publishd in news papers in Africa. The whole world knew about it:

He is the link:

www.geeskaafrika.com/ethiopia_31aug06.ht m

by indydem99 2008-02-26 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize

Nice find

by SocialDem 2008-02-26 12:51PM | 0 recs
Sorry wrong...

You do not think like a Republican.

It may be a win in your eyes, but there are a lot of nervous white folk out there, who are being reminded that Obama is.... black.  The slime machine will continue to churn this stuff out. You might think it will backfire, but I think the history of these guys tactics demonstrates that they are pretty effective.

And, Obama takes the bait and demonstrates that he is willing to play along with slime tacticsw if it seems to help his campaign.

Oh, and they get to blame the whole episode on Clinton. Brilliant!

Obama: lose/lose
Clinton: lose/lose
Thugs: win/win

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 10:44AM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry wrong...

you think a few of them forgot he was black?

by the mollusk 2008-02-26 12:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Sorry wrong...

Actually I think you are wrong.  There is no proof that a significant number of people only need to reminded that he is black and won't vote for him.  Those people wouldn't vote Democrat anyways.  And in actuality it is better if he blames it on Clinton because then it will be perceived as "Clintonian dirty politics" and will almost be totally disregarded because people will just assume it's Hillary playing politics rather than a true story to run with.

by SocialDem 2008-02-26 12:57PM | 0 recs
They may not vote Dem

but they'll be Dems for a day on March 4.

by newhorizon 2008-02-26 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs
Ugh. So this picture comes out, and a slew of Obama supporters and Clinton supporters jump at each others' throats, no questions asked. Now it looks like neither camp is responsible, but some people are still trying to lay the blame on their fellow Democrats because apparently each camp is absolutely determined to think the worst of the other. So instead of sitting back and thinking, "Hm, maybe we shouldn't have jumped to conclusions in the first place, and maybe we should investigate this further," a lot of Clinton supporters and Obama supporters will continue to go at each other over this for god knows how long. If the Democrats lose this cycle, it won't be the GOP's fault -- it'll be the Dems' fault for deciding they'd rather eat their own than go after the Republicans.

And who's ultimately responsible for all this? A stupid tabloid and some freepers.

Pathetic.

by sricki 2008-02-26 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs

As a former Edwards supporter I find it actually entertaining to see them at each other throats at something as ridiculous as some stupid picture.  Yes, I understand the implied meaning behind it but come on! Anyone with half a brain will know that this picture doesn't really mean anything and if they looked into Obama's ties to Africa they'd understand.  So really I do not see why everyone is making such a big deal about it.  Whether or not it did come from Clinton is not the point.  Like the comment above mine WE NEED TO STOP EATING OUR OWN!

by SocialDem 2008-02-26 11:43AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs

Well, I don't think it is entertaining, since so much is at stake.

But, you make an excellent point:

Anyone with half a brain will know that this picture doesn't really mean anything

It is perfectly innocuous.

The only reason that this has legs is that the Obama campaign chose to act offended. Big mistake.

It gives credence to the idea that something is wrong with the picture, keeps it in the news, shows he is willing to endorse these kind of tactics, and demonstrates that he is naive with opposition media slime tactics.

Obama goes for the bait, and both Dems are the losers. He could have just scoffed it off and put the blame back where it belongs, but he chose to embrace the smear. Very bad move.

by MediaFreeze 2008-02-26 01:16PM | 0 recs
My question is...

Why is a "Democrat" like you spending so much time on a right wing smear site?  Seems odd to me.

Just saying...

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-26 11:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

   Your candidate needs you to phone bank, but you right silly diaries demanding apologies.  Bye, Hillary.

by cilerder86 2008-02-26 11:34AM | 0 recs
Apologize?

There are at least a couple reasons why it was reasonable to believe the story was pushed by the Clinton campaign. First, the Clinton campaign pushed that lame plagiarism story by leaking to the Times. Second, the Clinton campaign is in such desperation that it's plausible to believe it would try to make an issue of that photograph.

by Quarterbackjoe 2008-02-26 12:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

If this is true then it's Drudge who owes the apology for claiming something came from the Clinton campaign that did not.

by freedom78 2008-02-26 12:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

But Drudge did this on purpose--why should they apologize for a successful hit?

by Alice in Florida 2008-02-26 04:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over.

OK, but then why didn't the Clinton campaign deny it if it wasn't them?

by fsugrad 2008-02-26 12:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over.

Why deny it? First, they would then be accused of lying by the people who choose to think badly of them.

Second, what is wrong with a picture of Obama dressed up like that? Why is everyone so worked up about it? I doubt that the picture came from the Clinton campaign because why would anyone there see it as a smear? People put on native dress often when they visit foreign countries. Aren't there some pics of past-presidents like that?

Chill everyone.

by bently2 2008-02-26 09:06PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

Just for one moment...
forget how offended you are...
Where you you be be in your town our city
to raise not only your voice but your presence
as we acknowledge another Iraq anniversary in March?

by nogo war 2008-02-26 01:12PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

Why are folks so obsessed about Clinton/Obama as opposed to FISA etc..?

by nogo war 2008-02-26 01:59PM | 0 recs
How divisive Obama is?

This diary and all comments above prove how smearful and divisive and unapologetic Obama campaign have been so far.

This is the 2nd time Obama campaign fell for some false right wing smear and blamed Hillary for it with no proof.

What great judgement!!

(This shows Iraq war judgement was a fluke. And that too due to the incompetence of Rumsfeld's strategy).

by Sandeep 2008-02-26 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

So why should the Obama campaign apologize? It seems like they were reacting to a Drudge piece. Drudge should apologize.

by chicagolife 2008-02-26 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

Because it shows lack of judgement to be fed and distracted by bad sources and lack of civility to react in the manner they did towards a respectable senator and fellow Democrat.

I think judgement is not important to you? Also, civility and new kind of politics is not important to you?

by Sandeep 2008-02-26 05:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama camp needs to apologize to Clinton over

Yeah, apologize for HillBilly's desperation in circulating this without a strategy or cover story.

by Demeric 2008-02-26 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Crack Me UP

Where to start? The Clinton people cannot see the forrest for the trees. The real issue is that after South Carolina, the narrative is that the Clintons will do anything to win.  Thats why this story had legs, it fit the narrative.  Just like the poaching of pledged delegates.  There was no, they would not do this. The reaction was Hell No, look at the shit they are trying now. It is a sad state of affairs.  Like most african americans, I loved Bill Clinton but not after South Carolina. We learned that there was no special relationship.  The Clinton's would throw us under the bus as fast as they would anyone else. All of the minor doubts and issues are view thru a new lens. The last I will give you a pass card has been played.  For the record, I do not hate Hillary. She is my senator. However, I have three fundamental policy/judgement issue problems with her: Iraq War authorization, Kyle Lieberman and the Murdoch fundraiser. The worst thing is the belief i now have that they would blow up the party if it meant wining the nomination.

by anonquia 2008-02-26 11:03PM | 0 recs

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