So you don't understand its going to take a "defining election".
Obviously Obama is not running on an empty platform. Go to his site and read his policy papers and listen to him talk. its pretty progressive stuff.. Not sure why you pretend that he's not saying anything? The whole Obama is an empty suit stuff you read only on MyDD by the way is a crock of bullshit. Are there things he's less progressive than others on? I'm sure there are. Does he not please Krugman? He does not. But the idea that Obama is running as a conservative is a bunch of baloney. It doesn't pass the laugh test.
But Hillary will NEVER get the votes to effect the changes she is now pretending she stands for...Its a nonstarter. She will divide the country not unite it that is fact.
Don't be ridiculous. Lots of people talk the big talk but what have democrats done in the past 15 years to articulate a vision for health care that allowed this general sounds good would be great idea of universal health care to actually be something more than a pipedream?
AN "idea" isn't saying " people should not be poor". Thats a slogan.
I believe Obama is a progressive with a record of working to help people including on a personal level man to man. He has a progressive voting record contrary to what people on this site permanently state.
He is working to get elected with a mandate something that HIllary will NEVER EVER do. If she wins it will be a nailbiter and she will have no mandate to do any of this stuff you want done. Do you understand that its going to take a defining election to get progressive change???? Obama is trying to get this mandate but unfortunately he is not throwing enough red meat to the democrats and its pissing them off..
I get it and I hope you do to..
Now I really have to go cause its not my purpose to convert you. I posted on this thread because you meaning I read so much bullshit that its all I can do not to pull my hair out.
Look I have no clue what he meant Steve M. I don't sit around all day trying to take his words out context so I can write the next "Obama slanders african americans and throws grandmas under the bus..." diary. But where are all these great democratic ideas anyways???? Forget about Obama for a second if you can and I know its tough. But lets have the ideas!
I mean to argue that democrats have been the party of all these incredible ideas that have reshaped America over the past 15 years really takes the cake...
What idea? Was it the great democratic medicare bill??? the great reform of health care???? Tax policy????
So you like her bullshit? Its weird to me how a person can say "So she said and did this for years but NOW that she wants my vote she's feeding me what I want to hear and I'm happy about that!" Thats actually pretty twisted shit and exactly the opposite of how I operate.
Yeah yea I get you don't like Obama- I get it mac its hard not to with your numerous posts to that effect on every thread- no need to bring that in but I'm not here to convert you!!
Well where are the great Democratic ideas of the past 15 years?? Lets have them guys on this thread raking Obama. Give me the ideas.
Are you guys referring to the widescale adoption of the Gingrich contract by Bill Clinton in 1995???? Or is it the democratic capitulation to Bush in the wake of 2001 (with Hillary leading the charge btw)???
Please lets hear about all these great democratic ideas. Was it the widespread push for gay rights by democrats??? Or perhaps school vouchers??? Or maybe its all those great ideas that democrats pushed through that helped finally lift african americans out of poverty?
You give her credit for tacking to the left to win the primaries?
See, I'm the opposite: I give her no credit because I know- I remember- she was Mrs. Hawk on capitol hill the past few years and I am always more interested in what people do rather than what they say they are going to do.
There's a great Keith Richards record called "Talk is cheap".