Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalkingCain

It's one thing to play the Fear card against Obama, but it is quite breath taking to see Hillary actually stoop low enough to PLAGIARIZE a Republican Fear Ad.

Watch these two videos side by side to see for yourself:

McWalkingCain's Ad:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cl iid=p00gw

Hillary's Ad:

http://www.jabberwonk.com/flinker.cfm?cl iid=1c7x27


Tags: fear, Hillayr (all tags)



Just when I thought Penn couldn't sink any lower

That's what happens when Clinton and McCain's campaign gurus are business partners.

by Hudson 2008-02-29 11:57AM | 0 recs
That's Fine...

Both campaigns look to be headed the same direction.

by Brillobreaks 2008-02-29 12:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalki


by oregonkcg 2008-02-29 11:57AM | 0 recs
I wish the Obama campaign

were just as hard hitting and nasty as the Clinton's. Hit her with everything you got! Your supporters will like you even more for it!

by highgrade 2008-02-29 11:58AM | 0 recs

No need.

Obama's an F-16 -- the smear merchants are natives with pointy sticks.

Pity - not anger, my friend!

by zonk 2008-02-29 02:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Nahhh
Exactly. He'll take the high road even if some of us will get down and dirty in the trenches for him against the HRC "ignorami" clan... with or without pointy sticks.
by VT COnQuest 2008-02-29 08:01PM | 0 recs
you won my nomination

for most moronic statement read thus far on the MYDD boards.  Congrats!

by Ajax the Greater 2008-03-01 07:01AM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalki

It only took her the whole campaign season and her back against the wall , to make the most succinct argument for her candidacy , and to point out glaring Obama's weakness.

Why it took her so long you have to wonder.

For Obama to come out personally to speak about the ad just played into the argument the ad was all about.

To call that ad fearmongering the way obama did , and the clinton reply that Texas doesn't scare that easily is exactly what she wanted.

Talking about her strengths and national security isn't fear mongering.

Here in Tennessee that ad would play well with female voters especially . I don't know what the reaction  would be among women in Texas but it won't be far off.

The democratic voters in places like Tennessee , Texas are  a little different from those in illinois or new york.

Talking about national security is not fear mongering in these parts.

obama's reaction is really bizarre.

I know the kos crowd have endorsed him but this won't give voters confidence in him on national security .

by lori 2008-02-29 12:07PM | 0 recs
The Iraq war HRC enabled made us LESS SAFE

If people want to fear, they really should fear her and McCain and the opposite w/ Obama who has shown far better judgement than both of those war hawks.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 12:23PM | 0 recs
Re: The Iraq war HRC enabled made us LESS SAFE

Was Obama showing good judgment when he said in August 2004: "There's not much of a difference between my position on Iraq and George Bush's position at this stage"?

by Inky 2008-02-29 05:46PM | 0 recs
Good job spinmeistering.

Russert misleadingly cropped Obama comment

''But, I'm not privy to Senate intelligence reports,'' Mr. Obama said. ''What would I have done? I don't know. What I know is that from my vantage point the case was not made.''

But Mr. Obama said he did fault Democratic leaders for failing to ask enough tough questions of the Bush administration to force it to prove its case for war. ''What I don't think was appropriate was the degree to which Congress gave the president a pass on this,'' he said.

   BLITZER: Had you been in the Senate when they had a vote on whether to give the president the authority to go to war, how would you have voted?

   OBAMA: You know, I didn't have the information that was available to senators. I know that, as somebody who was thinking about a U.S. Senate race, I think it was a mistake, and I think I would have voted no.

   BLITZER: You would have voted no at the time?

   OBAMA: That's correct.

   BLITZER: Kerry, of course, and Edwards both voted yes.

   OBAMA: But keep in mind, I think this is a tough question and a tough call. What I do think is that if you're going to make these tough calls, you have to do so in a transparent way, in an honest way, talk to the American people, trust their judgment.

OBAMA: Now, Tim, that first quote was made with an interview with a guy named Tim Russert on Meet the Press during the convention when we had a nominee for the presidency and a vice president, both of whom had voted for the war, so it probably was the wrong time for me to be making a strong case against our party's nominees' decisions when it came to Iraq. Look, I was opposed to this war in 2002, 2003, '4, '5, '6, and '7. What I was very clear about, even in 2002 in my original opposition, was once we were in, we were going to have to make some decisions to see how we could stabilize the situation and act responsibly. And that's what I did through 2004, '5, and '6, try to see, can we create a workable government in Iraq? Can we make sure that we're minimizing the humanitarian costs in Iraq? Can we make sure that our troops are safe in Iraq? And that's what I have done. Finally, in 2006-2007, we started to see that even after an election, George Bush continued to want to pursue a course that didn't withdraw troops from Iraq but actually doubled down and initiated the surge. And at that stage, I said very clearly, not only have we not seen improvements, but we're actually worsening potentially a situation there. And since that time, I've been absolutely clear in terms of the approach I would take. I would end this war and I would have our troops out within 16 months.

Democratic ticket was made of two people who had voted for the war which put war opponents like Obama, Gore and Dean in a bind since it's not a good idea to criticize the war at the convention when the nominee had voted for the war.

It also made it difficult for Democrats to run firmly against the war (partly as a reason, we not only lost the presidential race but also lost some seats in house and senate). The same situation presents itself in 2008. Obama can run hard against McCain on the war, which Hillary Clinton cannot. We therefore should not nominate Hillary Clinton.

If we do make that mistake and nominate Clinton, would you then like Obama (and others_ to hammer her war vote hard at the Democratic convention?

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Good job spinmeistering.

You didn't even respond to my quote. Please read first before you cut and paste. Here, I'll fill out the quote for you.

"On Iraq, on paper, there's not as much difference, I think, between the Bush administration and a Kerry administration as there would have been a year ago," Obama said during a luncheon meeting with editors and reporters of Tribune newspapers. "There's not that much difference between my position and George Bush's position at this stage. The difference, in my mind, is who's in a position to execute."


Obama, a state senator from Chicago's Hyde Park neighborhood, opposed the Iraq invasion before the war. But he now believes U.S. forces must remain to stabilize the war-ravaged nation -- a policy not dissimilar to the current approach of the Bush administration.

The problem, Obama said, is the low regard for Bush in the international community.

"How do you stabilize a country that is made up of three different religious and in some cases ethnic groups, with minimal loss of life and minimum burden to the taxpayers?" Obama said. "I am skeptical that the Bush administration, given baggage from the past three years, not just on Iraq. ... I don't see them having the credibility to be able to execute. I mean, you have to have a new administration to execute what the Bush administration acknowledges has to happen."

That's our Sen. Obama, a politician who never missed an opportunity of fund the Iraq war, or fund a new addition to Gitmo prison, for that matter.

http://www.progressivepunch.org/vote.jsp ?member=ILIII&issue=R4&year=2005 &num=93&district=At%20large

by Inky 2008-02-29 06:46PM | 0 recs
You should have clicked the link I gave

Obama was responding to the quote you gave. Link here again.

"That's our Sen. Obama, a politician who never missed an opportunity of fund the Iraq war"

Hillary Clinton helped drive the truck into the ditch which she shouldn't have.

"or fund a new addition to Gitmo prison"

Hillary Clinton voted the exact same way.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 07:01PM | 0 recs
Re: You should have clicked the link I gave

But Clinton's campaign isn't built on I-don't-have-my-hands-dirty-with-Iraq like Obama's is. He set himself up as the purist. Pointing out that he is not is valid.

by River103 2008-02-29 07:05PM | 0 recs
Next time, show something where they differ

like this vote where Hillary Clinton voted to continue cluster bombing civilians and refugees:

Amendment Number:     S.Amdt. 4882 to H.R. 5631
Statement of Purpose:     To protect civilian lives from unexploded cluster munitions.

New York:    Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Illinois:    Obama (D-IL), Yea

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 07:16PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalki

I'm not so sure that is exactly what she wanted.

That may be what people who are already her strongest supporters want to see, but people on the fence and people who simply want to have a Democrat in the White House, I'm not so sure. To the contrary, they know perfectly well the Democrats will never win a GE against McCain on the basis of the experience argument or with fearmongering. This ad could have been coming from McCain, word by word, and used against Obama OR Clinton.

by marcotom 2008-02-29 12:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalki

To the contrary, they know perfectly well the Democrats will never win a GE against McCain on the basis of the experience argument or with fearmongering.

- you mean obama will never win , because hillary clinton clearly thinks she will and that is one of her strong points.

it is obama that has the problem not hillary clinton

by lori 2008-02-29 01:16PM | 0 recs
Hillary Clinton's 'experience' is negative

given her war votes:

  1. voting for the blank check Iraq war resolution w/o reading the 90 page intelligence estmate
  2. voting for the Kyl-Lieberman amendment on Iran (which doesn't explictly rule out a war authorization) knowing fully well how Iraq turned out.
  3. voting against banning cluster bomb in civilian areas and refugee camps:

Amendment Number:     S.Amdt. 4882 to H.R. 5631
Statement of Purpose:     To protect civilian lives from unexploded cluster munitions.

New York:    Clinton (D-NY), Nay
Illinois:    Obama (D-IL), Yea

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 06:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalki

I truly believe that Clinton is a bit more based in reality then her supporters her and does not believe for a second that she can win against McCain on national security. That is a pipe dream!

by marcotom 2008-03-01 12:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox -

Yes, Obama would never use republican tactics to win the nomination, right?

Maybe you should now post the "Harry and Louise" ad from 1993, and Obama's ad from this year, so we can compare those also.

by AnnC 2008-02-29 12:09PM | 0 recs
HRC IS using Nixonian/Rovian attacks tactics

Party leaders should sternly warn her to chill down in order to prevent her negativity and fear-mongering from hurting the Democratic party in the fall.

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox -

I did not come across one single negative TV ad from Obama. Could you enlighten me?

As far as mail pieces are concerned, Hillary is no innocent is attacking unfairly from the right and/or left whenever she pleases.

by marcotom 2008-02-29 12:27PM | 0 recs
Clinton camp sent out plenty of dishonest mailers


by NeuvoLiberal 2008-02-29 12:30PM | 0 recs
Great minds think alike.

by Bob Johnson 2008-02-29 12:36PM | 0 recs
More like plagiarizing Mondale

Sorry, but no, she is not copying McCain.  This is virtually the same ad Mondale ran against Hart in 1984.

by ocli 2008-02-29 01:10PM | 0 recs

You're kidding right? Seriously?

by Scan 2008-02-29 01:16PM | 0 recs
For some of you poor benighted denizens

of this blog, Hillary can do no wrong.  That's unfortunate, because this sort of fearmongering is straight out of the repuke playbook.  

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-02-29 01:43PM | 0 recs
It's my understanding....

...and I could be wrong on this, but I think McCain's ad was in response to Clinton's. So, if anything, he's copying her. The ad is not very polished and does suggest being put together hastily. As I said, I could be wrong, and I'll try to find which came first. If it is as I suspect, this diary has no legs. If her ad followed McCain's, then that's problematic for me.

by River103 2008-02-29 02:06PM | 0 recs
There you are!

I kept noticing this poster named "river103" who seemed to always pop up and hand out troll ratings that were clearly undeserved.

I thought you were just a ratings bot!

by zonk 2008-02-29 02:09PM | 0 recs
I admit...

...that there was one day when I got carried away with TRs and I have apologized for that. I usually TR only if something is untrue and the poter knows it, is attacking over the top another poster, or is just generally ovwer the top period. Admittedly, it's my own personal gauge, but then that's all any of us have. Apologies to you if you feel I've been unfair to you in the past. As I've stated elsewhere, I will continue to TR Bob Johnson because I believe him to define the word troll and he's been the worst of baiters that I have seen. So there. Onward.

by River103 2008-02-29 02:16PM | 0 recs
by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 03:42PM | 0 recs
Re: I admit...

Because you trolled me. Payback.

by River103 2008-02-29 05:20PM | 0 recs
by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 05:33PM | 0 recs
I will always...

TR BJ. Deal. Or don't. I'm not asking your permission.

by River103 2008-02-29 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: I will always...

But it wasn't "bj" to whom you were referring, you in fact called a totally different person a "sock puppet" and then also compared them to "bj".

What you did was unfair and uncalled for, apparently 7 other people thought so too. Three people in fact marked your comment to be hidden.  The consensus was that you were clearly out of bounds.

If you have a personal grudge with bj, take it up with the moderators, but you are handing out undeserved TR's like candy.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 06:27PM | 0 recs
Re: I will always...

Look. You're almost as bad as BJ with your incessent goading and mocking of anything Clinton. I almost always feel like telling you to STFU, but I don't. I had a rough day or two on this board and lost my cool. I've apologized. YOu want to drop the subject or do you want to continue to needle? That seems to be your modus.

by River103 2008-02-29 06:34PM | 0 recs
Re: I will always...
Kindly point out those comments I post that,
goading and mocking of anything Clinton.
by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 08:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Bill's Advice

I will take Bill's advice on this one though..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGW38Zy4b Jo

by DemsFirst 2008-02-29 02:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox - Hillary Plagaries McWalki

I like the Clinton ad, and I don't think it's quite as obviously fear-based as McCain's, but that's uncanny.  They both happen at 3 am, even.  

by freedom78 2008-02-29 02:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox

you are doing a great job of getting rid off old time Democrats like me out of the party.People like me who voted fot the past 30years for Democratic candidates.

Obviously you do not care because you expect a lot of Independents and Republicans to vote for Sen Obama.

I know I am not supposed to disagree with you because if I do you would then brand me either as a racist or agaist Hope and change. According to esimates from Pew survay there are abot 22% people like me who feel Sen Obama thinks we are too old and not needed in the party. I wish you and your new friends from republican party all the best.

by indydem99 2008-02-29 04:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox

Alright, later man!

by amiches 2008-02-29 05:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox -

Huh, so McCain spent 5 years in a box in Vietnam and you think it's just fine to make a stupid ageist joke about his name?

Yes, we're in the middle of a presidential election, but have a little bit of class fer once.

by Sensible 2008-02-29 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox -

AS long as the subject has been brought up,  Can someone, anyone tell me ho spending 5 years in a box qualifies as a reason to give someone foreign policy bona fides?

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-02-29 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Fear you can Xerox

Inexcusable. Playing the politics of fear is something that W and Co. do, not what we do. This is the exact opposite of what democrats stand for. It's one thing to be strong on national security and something completely different to use people's legitimate fears of terrorism against them ... this is bottom  of the barrel politicking.

I'm an Obama supporter, but I have no beef with Hillary. I'm not sure about her campaign team though.

by dannybauder 2008-02-29 05:42PM | 0 recs

Did you coin that?  That's seriously funny...

by Jeffrey Feldman 2008-02-29 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: 'McWalkingCain'... Are you talking to me?
It seems that my post (in jest) on this thread stating that my "McWalkingCane" name had been plagiarized by this threads starter (hence my post below stating that my "=P" emoticon/smiley had been cuttoff from the header which indicated that I was stating the fact lightheartedly) has since been deleted. Probably because the thread were I first used that McWalking name was over at dkos and I had linked to it. If it has been deleted by the mods here at MyDD because of that, that's very childish and biased.
by VT COnQuest 2008-02-29 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: 'McWalkingCain'... If it is me you where askin
and in response to your question as to whether or not I coined "McWalkingCane"... yes. Yes I did. On 02/28/2008 02:58:36 PST over on the dkos thread entitled "Obama shoves Iraq down McCain's throat" posted on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:59:18 AM PST by "Paleo" in the comments section where I said "I want BHO to put McWalkingCane's head on a pike." At least I had never seen OR heard it anywhere prior.
by VT COnQuest 2008-02-29 08:11PM | 0 recs
Re: 'McWalkingCain'... If it is me you where askin

Damn. I really hadn't seen or heard anywhere though before I used it.

Kudos to you Crackcorn! ;)

by VT COnQuest 2008-03-01 11:11AM | 0 recs
So let me get this straight

That's a "real" McCain ad, right?

And he spelled terrorist t-e-r-i-o-s-t?  And made a TV ad on a budget of $2.58 (actually, that's probably over-spending for the quality of that "ad").

(Hmmm. . . .)

by Trickster 2008-02-29 06:41PM | 0 recs

I misspelled the misspelling.  It's t-e-r-r-i-o-t.


by Trickster 2008-02-29 11:55PM | 0 recs
Shoot me

k-a-t cat

by Trickster 2008-02-29 11:55PM | 0 recs
Umm... my ( =P ) emoticon/smiley got cut off
in my post's header above. =)
by VT COnQuest 2008-02-29 07:41PM | 0 recs


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