Well, first of all if Michigan and Florida do not get seated fairly, (and not after the fact), and Obama is chosen as the nominee, he will be seen as illegitimate by more than just women.
Also, what's not being reported is that Hillary is pulling Republican women who actually support her. I think Hillary could win if AA's stay home - Obama can't win if women (and Hispanics, and Jews, and Catholics, and Asians, and seniors) leave him in record numbers
Frankly, if he limps into the nomination (especially without Michigan and Florida) there are many, many of us who not only see McCain winning the WH, but down-ticket races not going for the Dems. On the other hand, if a miracle would occur and he actually squeaks out a win against McCain, many of us also feel like he would be such a disaster that the Dem brand would be ruined for many elections to come.
I don't ever want to hear Howard Dean, Donna Brazile or any Obama supporter mention Florida and 2000 and how the Republicans stole the election because they will be just as guilty.
Ha! The Democratic Party don't need no stinkin' democracy!
from this speech was the following when asked about a potential VP running mate:
"I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I'm not as expert on," he said, and then he was off and running. "I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."
He needs someone that knows a bunch of stuff! What a hoot!!
This is is still not uncommon. With regards to this specific NIE, here's what John Kerry said:
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Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee who voted in favor of the invasion, said, "I read the summary, but I didn't read the full report because I got it from them straight," referring to personal briefings he had with senior administration officials.
"A lot of people on both sides of the aisle are getting whacked around with this," said former Sen. Bob Smith (R-N.H.), who voted for authorizing war but did not read the full report. "You have to understand that the briefings are so thorough that it's common for members not to read entire reports."
And frankly, no one knows really how many Senators actually read the whole report:
"There is no record, committee or otherwise, of who read the NIE," said Wendy Morigi, spokeswoman for Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), now Intelligence Committee chairman, who read the NIE before the pivotal fall vote of 2002.
But then how do you reconcile that with the fact that Obama himself said he didn't have all the facts or intelligence the Senate had access to, and had he been in the Senate at the time, he wasn't sure how he would have voted?
Then I guess you must be angry at every member of Congress for most of the bills they vote on. They don't read all the bills (I'm not excusing it - just saying the way it is - that's why they have highly educated staff members). But when you (and a group of your colleagues) can sit and ask questions of the people who wrote it to dig deeper than what is buried in jargon and such and read body language and ask follow up questions, I tend to think that would be BETTER than trying to read it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest she wasn't totally ignorant of what was in the NIE, but I don't think she read all 500 pages (or whatever) cover to cover
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No - but we may stay home.
Well, first of all if Michigan and Florida do not get seated fairly, (and not after the fact), and Obama is chosen as the nominee, he will be seen as illegitimate by more than just women.
Also, what's not being reported is that Hillary is pulling Republican women who actually support her. I think Hillary could win if AA's stay home - Obama can't win if women (and Hispanics, and Jews, and Catholics, and Asians, and seniors) leave him in record numbers
Frankly, if he limps into the nomination (especially without Michigan and Florida) there are many, many of us who not only see McCain winning the WH, but down-ticket races not going for the Dems. On the other hand, if a miracle would occur and he actually squeaks out a win against McCain, many of us also feel like he would be such a disaster that the Dem brand would be ruined for many elections to come.
didn't turn out in record numbers for Obama? We're 52% of the electorate.....
I don't ever want to hear Howard Dean, Donna Brazile or any Obama supporter mention Florida and 2000 and how the Republicans stole the election because they will be just as guilty.
Ha! The Democratic Party don't need no stinkin' democracy!
Is that this memo makes it seem like it was the CA Dems who wanted to dump the delegates, but in reality it was the Obama campaign.
We're not fooled, though!
Take all polls with a grain of salt, but SUSA has been the most accurate this primary season. Don't discount it.
It's the same as Sam Powers not really being "gone" from Obama's campaign. Who cares?
And very few did (no one knows the exact number)
from this speech was the following when asked about a potential VP running mate:
"I would like somebody who knows about a bunch of stuff that I'm not as expert on," he said, and then he was off and running. "I think a lot of people assume that might be some sort of military thing to make me look more Commander-in-Chief-like. Ironically, this is an area--foreign policy is the area where I am probably most confident that I know more and understand the world better than Senator Clinton or Senator McCain."
He needs someone that knows a bunch of stuff! What a hoot!!
You may be right about the length, but it wasn't just Senators who had access to it - aides with clearance were allowed to read them too.
http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/few- senators-read-iraq-nie-report-2007-06-19 .html
This is is still not uncommon. With regards to this specific NIE, here's what John Kerry said:
*******
Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts, the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee who voted in favor of the invasion, said, "I read the summary, but I didn't read the full report because I got it from them straight," referring to personal briefings he had with senior administration officials.
"A lot of people on both sides of the aisle are getting whacked around with this," said former Sen. Bob Smith (R-N.H.), who voted for authorizing war but did not read the full report. "You have to understand that the briefings are so thorough that it's common for members not to read entire reports."
And frankly, no one knows really how many Senators actually read the whole report:
"There is no record, committee or otherwise, of who read the NIE," said Wendy Morigi, spokeswoman for Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.), now Intelligence Committee chairman, who read the NIE before the pivotal fall vote of 2002.
But then how do you reconcile that with the fact that Obama himself said he didn't have all the facts or intelligence the Senate had access to, and had he been in the Senate at the time, he wasn't sure how he would have voted?
Then I guess you must be angry at every member of Congress for most of the bills they vote on. They don't read all the bills (I'm not excusing it - just saying the way it is - that's why they have highly educated staff members). But when you (and a group of your colleagues) can sit and ask questions of the people who wrote it to dig deeper than what is buried in jargon and such and read body language and ask follow up questions, I tend to think that would be BETTER than trying to read it. I'm going to go out on a limb here and suggest she wasn't totally ignorant of what was in the NIE, but I don't think she read all 500 pages (or whatever) cover to cover
see my reply above - she was BRIEFED on it.
No, since she was BRIEFED by the people who WROTE the NIE and she had a chance to question them and read their body language.