I really like Biden, even though it's a risky move.

A blogger I respect, Jeralyn at TalkLeft, a former Hillary supporter who has thrown her support to the (presumptive) Democratic nominee, holds Biden in little regard.  She has stated her reasons and I respect her right to decide for herself.   Biden as VP may affect her decision to support the top of the Dem ticket.  For me, I think Biden's a great choice.  I also think, in light of current polling, it is a risky choice.   IMO, the safe choice would have been the Unity ticket, Obama/Clinton.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yYMWw6RK LU

When roughly half of Hillary's supporters have yet to support Obama, I find it risky not to make a move that would attempt to bring the party together.  

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/20/ob ama-in-need-of-a-game-changer/

But, as I've diaried earlier in this cycle (http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/7/7/13214 /81026#readmore), I have two choices; vote for Barack for president, or don't vote for Barack for president.  In fact, you, and every American citizen has the same two choices.  

I support Democratic Party ideals, including:

 Revision of the tax code
 Universal healthcare, at affordable prices
 Ending the war in Iraq
 Equal rights for all citizens (yup, Gay marriage)

So, I'm voting for the whole Democratic ticket.  If I don't support the whole Dem ticket, the ideals I support may be another 4 years further from their fruition.  That's enough of an incentive for me (though that was the incentive the last two presidential cycles, too).

I won't say I'm holding my nose; I will say I'm keeping my fingers crossed.  Pragmatism, at its best!

P.S.  What's up with the "3 A.M." text?  I find that peculiar, to say the least.  

Tags: barack, clinton, Democratic Party, Democrats, Hillary, joseph biden, obama (all tags)



I'm voting for BO/Biden
But share the same feelings about the ticket. Biden adds very little strategically to Obama's electoral map, and gives McCain a chance to make up some ground out West with Romney.
by Chelsea in 2020 2008-08-23 09:49AM | 0 recs
On 3 am

My guess was that the 3 am text was forced more by the sudden media announcement than anything else.  Besides...it's only 3 am in one time zone.  Was it sent at 3 EST?  Because that would have been 2 am at Obama HQ.

by freedom78 2008-08-23 09:50AM | 0 recs
Re: On 3 am

I got mine at 2:30

by hocuspocus 2008-08-23 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: On 3 am

Well, there you go!  Given the amount of time it must take to text tens of thousands (more?  I have no idea) of people, SOMEONE had to get it at 3 am, given the time that the news broke in the MSM.  

But that doesn't mean it was a swipe at Hillary.

by freedom78 2008-08-23 11:44AM | 0 recs

I agree with you that Obama needed a game-changer, and Biden was not necessarily it.  HRC certainly would have been it.  That said, Biden was always my #2 choice, and I do hope that the current frustrations from HRC's camp pass quickly, or else we do have a problem.  

by MMR2 2008-08-23 09:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Agreed

Hi MMR2.  I just hope Obama's GOTV is sufficient to overcome "disaffected"  Hillary voters.

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:14AM | 0 recs

Knowing Joe Rospars I'm sure he was chortling over the timing of the text. He has a heavy dose of insecure white-boy machismo, he fits in well with the campaign.

The idea that the campaign's hand was forced is silly. They knew perfectly well that the press would take the timing as a dig at Hillary Clinton and decided to go ahead regardless of the risk of alienating supporters by texting them in the middle of the night. They didn't wait for a more appropriate time because they couldn't pass up getting a dig in.

Biden, though, was the best pick among the people Obama was considering.

by souvarine 2008-08-23 10:06AM | 0 recs
Re: texting

Not everything that happens in politics is related to Hillary Clinton.  There was no 3 am dig.

Seriously that doesn't even make sense.

Also, I got my text at 12:47 am pacfic time.  Clearly that means Obama hates the Clintons.

by CAchemist 2008-08-23 10:15AM | 0 recs
Re: texting
Biden is indeed a good pick.  I saw him on MTP, when Russert (RIP) was still at the helm.  Biden emphatically stated no way on the veep issue.  Ah, politics.
3 A.M?  Indeed, peculiar.
by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:16AM | 0 recs
Re: texting

I would agree that Obama announcing in the middle of the night was very strange.  The insinuation that it had anything to do with slighting Clinton is bullshit.  That is all I am saying.

by CAchemist 2008-08-23 10:19AM | 0 recs
Re: texting

Politics = Strange Bedfellows....

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:21AM | 0 recs
Re: texting

Meh. I don't think there's anything sinister or even attempted irony about the text coming at 3 A.M.

I think the Obama campaign really did want to text people before it got out to the media.

Because the media were extraordinarily obsessive and creepy and tracking chartered plains and stalking people's houses, they did find out before the Obama campaign could send out the text.

And so I think the Obama campaign was trying to live up to it's promise as best it could and sent out the text.

by pomology 2008-08-23 10:27AM | 0 recs
Re: texting

Hi Pomology.  I choose to give Obama the benefit of the doubt, so I choose to agree with you, ...I think....

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:30AM | 0 recs
Any pick had "risks"

Though I would have prefered Wes or Hillary, ANY pick is "risky" I think Killary would have made a lot of her supporters joyous, but, there are a lot of folks (my best buds are Repubs voting Obama) who LOATHE the Clintons...

It's a risk that way as well, though, I think Obama SHOULD have taken it....

by WashStateBlue 2008-08-23 10:34AM | 0 recs
Re: Any pick had "risks"

The risk was not choosing Hillary.  It's a Dem year.  Hopefully, GOTV compensates.

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:55AM | 0 recs
good choice

Biden is a good choice. I also agree that he's somewhat risky but not as risky as kaine or bayh. I'm still a no vote and if Clington was the choice, I'd still be a no vote. That being said, I think Biden was a good choice for Obama. Biden was my first choice for president.

by soyousay 2008-08-23 10:40AM | 0 recs
Re: good choice
Hi Soyousay.  Few of us left on this site w/out "Clintonista" monikers.  
If I read you correctly, does Hillary have to be on the top of the ticket?  Is that the only solution to the ideals you support?  Personally, wish it were true, but it won't.
by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:46AM | 0 recs
Re: good choice

Eh; won't = isn't

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 10:49AM | 0 recs
Re: good choice

No. It's really not about Clinton although she would make a great president IMO. It's about Obama. There are so many unanswered questions and problems I have when it comes to Obama. He's NEVER addressed many issues IMO. His lack of experience and his quick move up the ladder with little to nothing to show for it, is a problem for me. I never understood his relationship with the likes of Rev. Wright. He changes positions all the time. I want to see how he does during the debates. I was unimpressed when he debated Clinton. She blew him away. McCain is a problem for me too, I won't vote for him.

Maybe by Nov. after the debates I will get a better idea of what Obama is really all about.

by soyousay 2008-08-23 10:58AM | 0 recs
Re: good choice

This is exactly why She was not picked, people like you are not worth appeasing.

by Brandon 2008-08-23 11:02AM | 0 recs
Re: good choice

"people like me" that don't fall in line and expect answers :D

by soyousay 2008-08-23 11:10AM | 0 recs
Re: good choice

Fucking 'bot!  Thanks for engaging in discourse, NOT!

by ChitownDenny 2008-08-23 11:24AM | 0 recs
Re: I really like Biden, even though it's a risky

I got the text at 12:53, not sure what the big deal is there.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 10:50AM | 0 recs
Re: I really like Biden, even though it's a risky

The big deal is; they got your number :D

by soyousay 2008-08-23 11:01AM | 0 recs
Re: I really like Biden, even though it's a risky

Yeah. Cause I gave it to them.

by Cincinnatus 2008-08-23 12:16PM | 0 recs
Re: I really like Biden, even though it's a risky

I dont know if I have enough tinfoil for this.

by Brandon 2008-08-23 12:19PM | 0 recs


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