Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Well I think proves all those Dailykos types that Hillary was and is a true patriot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It6JN7ALF7Y

You know what makes me sick?  People don't get credit for the danger they endure!  Rec this dairy to show all the haters !

Tags: 2008, Bosnia, false, Hillary Clinton, lie, Presidency, tuzla (all tags)

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41 Comments

Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

We should give Sinbad a medal for his bravery.

by Cheebs 2008-03-23 06:38AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Both Hillary and Obama live with daily death threats, and every public appearance could be their last. That's why they are surrounded by secret service constantly and there are bomb sweeps done before they appear anywhere.

They do not talk about the threat of assassination because abviously that would be unnerving to the people they are with, and for other reasons.

I don't know why or how Hillary is incorrectly recalling her Bosnia trip, or perhaps she was told of possible dangers that other people on the plane were not informed of (fear definitely alters people's view of events), but it says nothing about her physical courage, which is indubitable.

You cannot run for high office in today's political climate without a tremendous store of bravery to call upon. You have no idea what they go through every day. She deserves credit for that, regardless of how the Bosnia trip unfolded.

by 07rescue 2008-03-23 08:11AM | 0 recs
What that video doesn't tell you:

That 8-year-old-girl had a high powered sniper rifle in her coat.

Carnage ensued.

by Dracomicron 2008-03-23 06:44AM | 0 recs
Re: What that video doesn't tell you:
i just shot soda out my nose.
much ike that girl shot that high powered rifle.
by theninjagoddess 2008-03-23 06:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

For the other side of the story, you can check out this dairy.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/03/22/ the-so-called-hillary-lies-about-bosnia/ #more-1895

What I don't get is why the Obama campaign and his supporters are focusing so much of their money and effort on trying to smear Clinton with stupid non-stories like this one when, from what I hear, the nomination is sewn up.

Btw, shaking hands with one young girl does not constitute a "welcoming ceremony."

by Inky 2008-03-23 06:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Agreed!!! I mean just watch the video you can tell what you are talking about!  I think this video proves that she didn't lie and all that crap about her experience is baloney!

by Chavez100 2008-03-23 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Yeah, we saw them all running for their cars, under sniper fire, no greeting with a little girl.

NOT.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-23 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Inky -

I was with you during the nineties, but I call it like I see it:

HRC lied here and Obama made a gaffe on the "typical white person" comment.

She needs to fire Mark Penn, and get her train back on track.

by Veteran75 2008-03-23 07:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

I agree wholeheartedly agree with you about firing Mark Penn. And I could even agree that she overplayed the danger, although I suspect that she truly remembers the situation as being dangerous.

That brings me back to the most troublesome aspect of Obama's speech, for me at least, wherein he equated his pastor's rants with his grandmother's occasional fear when encountering black men on the street. I don't believe that a woman being occasionally fearful of young men amounts to racism, even if the fear is heightened when the young men are AA.  I'm female, and it's been many years since I've felt those moments of fear. But there are times, and places, and situations where those fears are reasonable. In my life I've been mugged several times and sexually assaulted once. While I have never let these bad experiences greatly alter the way I live or how I interact with people, it has made me realize there are situations when you have to keep on your toes, and the sometimes it's better to take evasive actions rather than confront a potentially dangerous situation -- and I refuse to acknowledge that such actions constitute racism.

by Inky 2008-03-23 08:01AM | 0 recs
Obama owns the Post??

Jesus that man is rich!

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 07:48AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama owns the Post??

What are you talking about? And btw, did you know that the New York post and several of Murdoch's Australian newspapers really ran with the utterly b.s. Daily Kos story about Clinton campaign's "darkening" of Obama's video image in its campaign ad (that story actually made the cover of The Post--way to go, Markos!).

So if anyone is opposed to Hillary because of her ties to Rupert Murdoch, it looks like you can scratch that one off your list -- Rupert appears to prefer Obama.

by Inky 2008-03-23 08:08AM | 0 recs
I'm talking about the Washington Post

please read

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 08:12AM | 0 recs
Re: I'm talking about the Washington Post

Did you even read the last two updates to your own link? Here they are:

UPDATE Friday 6:45 p.m.

Lissa Muscatine, who served as Hilary Clinton's chief speechwriter in 1996 and accompanied her on the Bosnia trip, feels that I have failed to provide a full picture of what took place. She gave me her "vivid recollections" of the arrival in Tuzla, which I quote below:

I was on the plane with then First Lady Hillary Clinton for the trip from Germany into Bosnia in 1996. We were put on a C17-- a plane capable of steep ascents and descents -- precisely because we were flying into what was considered a combat zone. We were issued flak jackets for the final leg because of possible sniper fire near Tuzla. As an additional precaution, the First Lady and Chelsea were moved to the armored cockpit for the descent into Tuzla. We were told that a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac might be canceled because of sniper fire in the hills surrounding the air strip. From Tuzla, Hillary flew to two outposts in Bosnia with gunships escorting her helicopter.

UPDATE Saturday 8:45 a.m.

Gen. Nash says that I misquoted him in saying he was unaware of any "security threat" to the First Lady. While he was unaware of any "sniper threat," he now tells me there were a couple of "security concerns" that day, which he found out about after returning to his headquarters after greeting Clinton at the airport. There was a "non-specific report" of a possible truck bomb in the area. The military also had information that "some of the communications associated with the First Lady's visit were being monitored."

by Inky 2008-03-23 08:25AM | 0 recs
ok

so this says there were potential danagers. No doubt.

But she said she run from the plan under sniper fire, which is nto true at all.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-23 08:45AM | 0 recs
Re: ok

They were operating under the threat of sniper fire. The welcoming ceremony had been canceled. She quickly shook hands with th e young girl and was then rapidly escorted into a military vehicle.

Yeah, so she somewhat exaggerated the story in her own mind--but not by much, and I'm sure she remembers the danger better than some others who were on the trip. I can't believe that Obama supporters are trying to run with this story. That to me smacks of desperation.

by Inky 2008-03-23 09:10AM | 0 recs
Re: ok

Please Inky, make a diary, so that these false lies against Hillary might end.

by HillaryKnight08 2008-03-23 09:37AM | 0 recs
Evidence of the cancelled ceremony

the sniper fire & the run to the car please.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 04:24PM | 0 recs
Yes I did and I noticed that they did

NOT corroborate Clinton's story.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 04:23PM | 0 recs
Resume bloating

Kind of like trying to mention something Obama has actually done in the US Senate:

http://wonkette.com/358440/chris-matthew s-angrily-harasses-obama-supporter-to-de ath

by katmandu1 2008-03-23 07:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Resume bloating

Agreed!!! Man I feel I'm home! Thanks Katmandu1 I found some of BHO lies and fabrications abotu this experience....

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Illinois State Senate

"In the Illinois State Senate, this meant working with both Democrats and Republicans to help working families get ahead by creating programs like the state Earned Income Tax Credit, which in three years provided over $100 million in tax cuts to families across the state. He also pushed through an expansion of early childhood education, and after a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases." Link
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United States Senate

He has continued this inclusive and productive style of work in the U.S. Senate: "In the U.S. Senate, he has focused on tackling the challenges of a globalized, 21st century world with fresh thinking and a politics that no longer settles for the lowest common denominator. His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars are spent. He has also been the lead voice in championing ethics reform that would root out Jack Abramoff-style corruption in Congress.

Foreign Policy

Obama's foreign policy experience includes graduating from Columbia University with a degree in political science with an emphasis on international relations. In the U.S. Senate Obama is unique among Senators in that he serves on three of the four Senate Committees dealing with foreign policy issues including the Foreign Relations; Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs; and Veterans' Affairs committees and is the Chair of the Foreign Relations Subcommittee on European Relations which is responsible fore U.S. relations with European countries, the European Union, and the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (i.e., NATO). When comparing Obama's foreign policy experience with other candidates for President you have Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, Democrat Hillary Clinton who is a member of the Armed Services Committee and John McCain who is the Ranking Member of the Armed Services Committee yet there is no Senator except for Barack Obama who serves on three of the four committees that deal with foreign policy.

Foreign Relations Committee

Obama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues. The only other member of the Foreign Relations committee who is running for President is Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the full Foreign Relations Committee yet unlike Obama he does not serve on any of the other foreign policy committees and his experience is limited to foreign policy issues covered by the Foreign Relations Committee.

Obama has also traveled extensively in his capacity as a member of the Foreign Relations Committee and has visited Russia, Ukraine, and Azerbaijan in Asia; Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Kuwait, and the Palestinian Territories in the Middle East; and Chad, Djibouti, Ethiopia, Kenya, and South Africa in Africa. Obama has also co-sponsored the "Lugar-Obama Act" with Republican Senator Richard Lugar who was Chairman of the Committee on Foreign Relations at the time. This act was a bi-partisan effort to increase U.S. security in terms of the elimination of conventional weapons and weapons of mass destruction. This legislation came out of Obama's trip with Senator Richard Lugar to Russia, the Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

Obama has also sponsored legislation such as the "Democratic Republic of Congo Relief, Security, and Democracy Promotion Act" which was signed into law by President Bush on December 22, 2006. Obama has co-sponsored immigration related bills related to his service on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee including the Secure America and Orderly Immigration Act. His extensive foreign policy experience exceeds that of every other Presidential candidate including his trips abroad in the performance of his official duties as a member of committees dealing with foreign relation issues.

While some have criticized Obama's foreign travel claiming that he is the most traveled freshman Senator in doing so they often fail to mention that as a result of his extensive trips abroad is legislation such as the Lugar-Obama Act instead preferring to make the political connection between his travels abroad to his run for President yet others will recognize the experience he has gained as a result of his foreign trips and recognize that as a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee that he is expected to travel extensively and that his travels often were with the Chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee.

Among the three top freshman who have received attention along with Obama in terms of foreign travel you have Barack Obama who serves on three committees dealing with foreign policy, Republican Richard Burr who serves on the Select Committee on Intelligence and Republican Tom Coburn who serves on the Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee and it must be noted that such travel was part of an official delegation and was approved and paid for by the Senate.

Veterans' Affairs Committee

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan. Recognizing the terrorist threat posed by weapons of mass destruction, he traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world. And knowing the threat we face to our economy and our security from America's addiction to oil, he's working to bring auto companies, unions, farmers, businesses and politicians of both parties together to promote the greater use of alternative fuels and higher fuel standards in our cars."Link

Ethics
"Obama has made ethics reform a central part of his political career. Two years into his first term in the U.S. Senate, he has had limited opportunities to leave a mark at the federal level, especially as a member of the minority party. But he has worked with Republicans on new good-government laws. He co-sponsored one, signed in September, that will create a federal spending database so Web users can track all grants, loans and awards greater than $25,000. He also pushed to limit the Federal Emergency Management Agency's authority to award open-ended, no-bid contracts in the wake of major disasters -- a reaction to post-Katrina abuses. More to the point, last year Senate Democrats tapped Obama as the chief negotiator for their caucus in talks over post-Abramoff ethics reforms, though those negotiations faltered. Ethics reform was one of Obama's signature issues in Springfield, as well. Beyond the Gift Ban Act, he helped push Democratic Gov. Rod Blagojevich's 2003 ethics reforms. The gift ban law, the first broad ethics reform in Illinois since the Watergate era, prohibited politicians from using campaign funds for personal use, barred fundraising on state property, established ethics commissions, curtailed fundraisers in Springfield during legislative sessions and mandated online reporting of campaign finances. The 2003 ethics package created independent inspectors general with subpoena powers to look into abuses by legislators, statewide officeholders and their employees. It further clamped down on the types of gifts lawmakers can receive and prohibited lobbyists and their spouses from sitting on state boards and commissions. Obama also touted publicly financed judicial campaigns, an idea that was approved by the Illinois Senate but languished in the House."Link
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Nonproliferation: the poster child for issues that people ought to care about, but don't. Here Obama has teamed up with Richard Lugar (R-IN). How did this happen? Here's the Washington Monthly:

   "By most accounts, Obama and Lugar's working relationship began with nukes. On the campaign trail in 2004, Obama spoke passionately about the dangers of loose nukes and the legacy of the Nunn-Lugar nonproliferation program, a framework created by a 1991 law to provide the former Soviet republics assistance in securing and deactivating nuclear weapons. Lugar took note, as "nonproliferation" is about as common a campaign sound-bite for aspiring senators as "exchange-rate policy" or "export-import bank oversight.""

The way to a wonk's heart: campaign on securing Russian loose nukes. -- In any case, in addition to working on nuclear non-proliferation, Obama and Lugar co-sponsored legislation expanding the Nunn-Lugar framework (which basically allows the US to fund the destruction or securing of nuclear weapons in other countries) to deal with conventional arms. From an op-ed Obama and Lugar wrote on their legislation:

   "These vast numbers of unused conventional weapons, particularly shoulder-fired antiaircraft missiles that can hit civilian airliners, pose a major security risk to America and democracies everywhere. That's why we have introduced legislation to seek out and destroy surplus and unguarded stocks of conventional arms in Asia, Europe, Latin America, Africa and the Middle East.

   Our bill would launch a major nonproliferation initiative by addressing the growing threat from unsecured conventional weapons and by bolstering a key line of defense against weapons of mass destruction. Modeled after the successful Nunn-Lugar program to dismantle former Soviet nuclear weapons, the Lugar-Obama bill would seek to build cooperative relationships with willing countries.

   One part of our initiative would strengthen and energize the U.S. program against unsecured lightweight antiaircraft missiles and other conventional weapons, a program that has for years been woefully underfunded. There may be as many as 750,000 missiles, known formally as man-portable air defense systems, in arsenals worldwide. The State Department estimates that more than 40 civilian aircraft have been hit by such weapons since the 1970s. Three years ago terrorists fired missiles at -- and missed -- a jetliner full of Israeli tourists taking off from Mombasa, Kenya. In 2003 a civilian cargo plane taking off from Baghdad was struck but landed safely.

   Loose stocks of small arms and other weapons also help fuel civil wars in Africa and elsewhere and, as we have seen repeatedly, provide ammunition for those who attack peacekeepers and aid workers seeking to stabilize and rebuild war-torn societies. The Lugar-Obama measure would also seek to get rid of artillery shells like those used in the improvised roadside bombs that have proved so deadly to U.S. forces in Iraq.

   Some foreign governments have already sought U.S. help in eliminating their stocks of lightweight antiaircraft missiles and millions of tons of excess weapons and ammunition. But low budgets and insufficient leadership have hampered destruction. Our legislation would require the administration to develop a response commensurate with the threat, consolidating scattered programs at the State Department into a single Office of Conventional Weapons Threat Reduction. It also calls for a fivefold increase in spending in this area, to $25 million -- a relatively modest sum that would offer large benefits to U.S. security.

   The other part of the legislation would strengthen the ability of America's friends and allies to detect and intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction or material that could be used in a nuclear, chemical or biological weapon. Stopping weapons of mass destruction in transit is an important complement to our first line of defense, the Nunn-Lugar program, which aims to eliminate weapons of mass destruction at their source."

Dealing with unsecured stocks of shoulder-fired missiles and other kinds of conventional weapons, stocks that might fall into anyone's hands, be sold on the black market, and end up being used against our troops or our citizens, or fueling civil wars that tear countries apart -- it seems to me that this is an excellent thing to spend one's time on.

Avian flu: Obama was one of the first Senators to speak out on avian flu, back in the spring of 2005, when it was a quintessentially wonky issue, not the subject of breathless news reports. There's a list of Democratic efforts on avian flu here; Obama shows up early and often. He has sponsored legislation, including what I think is the first bill dedicated to pandemic flu preparedness. It's a good bill, providing not just for vaccine research and antiviral stockpiles, but for the kinds of state and local planning and preparedness that will be crucial if a pandemic occurs. (I was also very interested to note that it requires the Secretary of HHS to contract with the Institute of Medicine for a study of "the legal, ethical, and social implications of, with respect to pandemic influenza". This is actually very important, and not everyone would have thought of it.)

He has also spoken out consistently on this topic, beginning long before it was hot. Here, for instance, is another op-ed by Obama and Lugar:

   "We recommend that this administration work with Congress, public health officials, the pharmaceutical industry, foreign governments and international organizations to create a permanent framework for curtailing the spread of future infectious diseases.

   Among the parts of that framework could be these:

   Increasing international disease surveillance, response capacity and public education and coordination, especially in Southeast Asia.

   Stockpiling enough antiviral doses to cover high-risk populations and essential workers.

   Ensuring that, here at home, Health and Human Services and state governments put in place plans that address issues of surveillance, medical care, drug and vaccine distribution, communication, protection of the work force and maintenance of core public functions in case of a pandemic.

   Accelerating research into avian flu vaccines and antiviral drugs.

   Establishing incentives to encourage nations to report flu outbreaks quickly and fully."

This is very good policy, especially the parts about increasing surveillance and response capacity here and abroad. (Effect Measure approves too.)

Regulating Genetic Testing: It was while I was reading about this issue that I first thought: gosh, Barack Obama seems to turn up whenever I am reading about some insanely wonky yet important issue. And this one is not just off the radar; it and the radar are in different universes. Anyways:

You might be surprised to learn that there is very little quality control over genetic testing. I was. If I offer some genetic test, I can basically say what I like about what it will reveal, so long as I avoid violating the laws against fraud. And if you think about how easy it would be to avoid those laws just by talking about, say, a test for some gene that has been found to be slightly associated with increased IQ, you can see how many deceptive (but not legally fraudulent) claims this allows.

Moreover -- and more seriously -- there is very little oversight of the quality of labs that do tests -- that is, whether or not they tend to get the right answers when they do those tests. There is a law (passed in response to evidence that significant numbers of people were getting incorrect results on pap smears) that requires what's called proficiency testing for labs. But though the law requires that the government develop special proficiency tests for labs that do work requiring special kinds of knowledge, and though genetic testing plainly fits that bill, the government has not developed any proficiency tests for genetic testing labs.

This is serious, and bad. Suppose you are mistakenly informed that you are a carrier for some horrible disease: you might decide never to have kids. Suppose you have a fetus tested and you are told that it has, say, Downs' syndrome: you might abort. To do these things as the result of a lab error would be horrible.

Not nearly as horrible as the results of some false negatives, though. Consider this case (from a very good report on the topic):

   "A Florida couple both tested negative for the genetic mutation that causes Tay-Sachs, a fatal childhood disease. Two copies of the mutation are required to cause the disease. The couple learned that the test results were incorrect for both parents when their son began exhibiting symptoms of Tay-Sachs shortly after birth. He died eight years later"

Tay-Sachs is an unbelievably horrible disease:

   "Infants with Tay-Sachs disease appear to develop normally for the first few months of life. Then, as nerve cells become distended with fatty material, a relentless deterioration of mental and physical abilities occurs. The child becomes blind, deaf, and unable to swallow. Muscles begin to atrophy and paralysis sets in. Other neurological symptoms include dementia, seizures, and an increased startle reflex to noise. (...)

   Even with the best of care, children with Tay-Sachs disease usually die by age 4, from recurring infection."

So imagine this: you know that you and your spouse are at risk for carrying this disease. You both get tested; neither is a carrier. You give birth to an apparently healthy child. But after a few months, the child you love stops developing normally, and it turns out that both your test and your spouses were misinterpreted, or screwed up, or whatever, and as a result your child is going to die a horrible death by the age of four. Oops!

In your copious free time, you can think of more cases in which screwing up a genetic test would be disastrous. After you get through with the cases involving children and inherited diseases, consider the effects of misreading a genetic test and informing a man that he is not the father of his child when in fact he is. The possibilities are endless.

You can probably guess who has introduced legislation that addresses this problem. The people who wrote the initial report (note: I know them; they're very good) think it's good. So do I.

Reducing medical malpractice suits the right way: Contrary to popular belief, medical malpractice claims do not do much to drive up health care costs. Still, medical malpractice litigation is a problem. Tort reform would address this problem at the expense of people who have been the victims of real, serious medical malpractice, who would lose their right to sue, or have it curtailed. If you read the medical literature, however, it turns out that there's a much better way to minimize malpractice suits, namely: apologizing. Strange to say, it turns out that people are a lot less likely to sue when doctors and hospitals admit their mistakes up front, compensate the patients involved fairly, and generally treat people with respect. It certainly would have helped in this case:

   "A Sanford mother says she will never be able to hold her newborn because an Orlando hospital performed a life-altering surgery and, she claims, the hospital refuses to explain why they left her as a multiple amputee.

   The woman filed a complaint against Orlando Regional Healthcare Systems, she said, because they won't tell her exactly what happened. The hospital maintains the woman wants to know information that would violate other patients' rights."

I'd want to know what happened too, if someone cut off all my arms and legs. And in a case like this, if it was malpractice, limiting the damages a person can collect doesn't seem like the right answer, somehow.

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton teamed up to introduce legislation aimed at helping hospitals to develop programs for disclosure of medical errors. (They describe it in this NEJM article.) Again, I think it's good policy: this really is what the evidence suggests is the best way to reduce malpractice claims, and it does it without curtailing the rights of people who have already been injured through no fault of their own. Moreover, when people feel free to discuss their errors, they are much more likely to figure out ways to avoid repeating them. (The legislation provides support for this.) And that's the best way of all to deal with malpractice claims: by addressing the causes of medical malpractice itself.

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Those are some of the wonkier things he's done. (There are others: introducing legislation to make it illegal for tax preparers to sell personal information, for instance, and legislation on chemical plant security and lead paint.) He has done other things that are more high-profile, including:

   * His "health care for hybrids" bill

   * An Energy Security Bill

   * Various bills on relief for Hurricane Katrina, including aid for kids and a ban on no-bid contracts by FEMA

   * A public database of all federal spending and contracts

   * Trying to raise CAFE standards

   * Veterans' health care

   * Making certain kinds of voter intimidation illegal

   * A lobbying reform bill (with Tom Coburn), which would do all sorts of good things, notably including one of my perennial favorites, requiring that bills be made available to members of Congress at least 72 hours before they have to vote on them.

   * And a proposal to revamp ethics oversight, replacing the present ethics Committee with a bipartisan commission of retired judges and members of Congress, and allowing any citizen to report ethics violations. This would have fixed one of the huge problems with the present system, namely: that the members have to police themselves.

by Chavez100 2008-03-23 07:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Resume bloating

I am sick of your cut and paste as if it is your own work, or even if it is Obama's. What I find most disingenuous about O is that he assumes that his experience is so superior to Clinton's but then tries to discount anything she has done, while in the WH or while in the Senate.  The REAL fact is that O is not as experienced as Clinton, and that is a fact and all your long wasted posts aside, the man will never actually be president so I guess you are just wasting your time, I know you waste mine.  But by all means, keep on doing it, because if you think O is so experienced then you must admit that Clinton is more so because she was actually in the WH, regardless of your trying to diminish that experience, O was no where near the WH and will be no where near it any time in the future, unless invited there by the new president.

by democrat voter 2008-03-23 07:28AM | 0 recs
just to let

you know. Being First Lady does not give you as much as experience as you think.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-23 08:09AM | 0 recs
Re: Resume bloating

Wow you know how to copy and paste. Do you also color?

by pollbuster 2008-03-23 07:40AM | 0 recs
HRed

please put this in a diary. Seriously people.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-23 08:05AM | 0 recs
Re: This is hilarious, Thanks for the Laugh...

ROFL...

How embarrassing for Obama. This is awful! If you're trying to promote him, you're doing a very bad job of it.

Obama's foreign policy experience includes graduating from Columbia University with a degree in political science with an emphasis on international relations

He's running for the White House, and he has to use his undergraduate degree? Oh, that is just pathetic.

Obama service on the Foreign Relations committee has placed him in an unique position in that he is the Chair of the Subcommittee on European Relations and serves on the Subcommittees on African Affairs; East Asia and Pacific Affairs; and International Development and Foreign Assistance, Economic Affairs, and International Environmental Protection. This cross-section of subcommittees places Obama in a unique position of having knowledge about Asian, African and European issues. The only other member of the Foreign Relations committee who is running for President is Democrat Joseph Biden who is Chairman of the full Foreign Relations Committee yet unlike Obama he does not serve on any of the other foreign policy committees and his experience is limited to foreign policy issues covered by the Foreign Relations Committee.

I say, I wasn't aware that Barack Obama was more experienced than Joe Biden on Foreign policy! Now, that IS a revelation! And, simply by virtue of the fact that he got himself named to committees.

Barack Obama may be the Chair of a sub-committee; but he admitted publicly that he was "too busy running for President" to hold even one substantive hearing of that sub-committee. And, honestly, it takes an egomaniac to compare himself overly well to Sen. Joe Biden on Foreign Experience, when Obama has been in the Senate two years. Why, this man must be a Messiah after all, if he's THAT GOOD!

"his extensive trips abroad"

Why does Barack Obama continue to refuse to produce an itinerary of his trips abroad? Steve Clemons at The Washington Note has repeatedly requested a list of the trips and the dates, and Barack Obama refuses to provide them.

This is, frankly, a psychiatrist's dream resume. It tells you so much about narcissistic personality disorder, it could be the basis of a Ph.D. thesis.

lol...Oh, my....

by Tennessean 2008-03-23 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Why don't you do a diary about BHO's experienc

This is so beside the point.

Obama isn't claiming great foreign policy experience. Clinton has made it a primary rationale for her candidacy.

And Clinton has been caught telling a quite the bold-faced lie, up there with any of Bill's, except in this case there is video proof that her story is bunk.

Why did she go out and repeat this story on Monday? Does she think all video from her visit is missing or can't be located?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-23 07:11AM | 0 recs
Or reverse resume bloating

oh, how hard my life was ---

did you know Jeremiah Wright was the third generation of his family to go to college?

From an IL Senate resolution:  http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/95/HR/09 500HR0171.htm

WHEREAS, Pastor Jeremiah A. Wright, Jr., was born in
7         Philadelphia, Pennsylvania; he completed his elementary
8         education in that city and then went to the college where his
9         mother and father met, Virginia Union University, in Richmond,
10         Virginia; he was a third generation family member to be a
11         student at that college; his grandparents also finished
12         Virginia Union University in the early 1900s;

by katmandu1 2008-03-23 07:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Or reverse resume bloating

Does that prove Hillary isn't lying like a rug about this?  

by Blue Neponset 2008-03-23 07:20AM | 0 recs
Re: Or reverse resume bloating

Was that college in Bosnia and was Wright did Wright receive sniper training there and then take some shots at Hillary's plane or something? If not, then what you said is irrelevant.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

I don't get why people still try to get away with things like that.  Do they not understand that there's an army of people out there with nothing better to do than to check facts?

by thezzyzx 2008-03-23 07:25AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong
I don't remember when Hillary made the claim - I've seen tapes of her saying it but don't know when it was. I suspect she said it early in the campaign when she thought she would be so far ahead that she wouldn't have any real competition. She would have assumed that no one would be checking and she'd be nominated without a lot of checking up on her before she had the nomination. Not sure, but that's the only thing that makes sense to me.
by Becky G 2008-03-23 07:45AM | 0 recs
she made the sniper claim after Sinbad

said it wasn't dangerous. That as very recently.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 07:49AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

It was last Monday.  I guess no one was paying attention due to Wright coverage.

by thezzyzx 2008-03-23 07:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Check facts?  What a laugh that is, this is not a proof of any fact, you don't even know when this video was taken, of if the same ride she is recalling is the same as this video so to claim that it is some kind of proof that she is lying is just a lie itself.  For all O supporters, remember that to ever see O in the WH you will first have to convince Clinton supporters to actually vote for him, which becomes more and more unlikely every moment.  so take your gloating somewhere where it will make you happy because it will gain you nothing with me, the likelihood of my voting for O is becoming less likely all the time, so if you care anything at all about O you should refrain from hating so much.  It will make your face draw up and it might freeze that way.

by democrat voter 2008-03-23 07:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong
On all the political talks shows this morning no one doubted it was the same event. It's hard to believe that none of those people would had thought of that. Some were even HRC supporters. No one questioned it. She won't be able to wiggle out of this since it's all on tape.
by Becky G 2008-03-23 07:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Ok. read this.

I'm sure Clinton will come up with an explanation of why no one can corroborate her story. If she does great. If she doesn't what will you think?

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 07:50AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

In that very story, someone who was there corroborates her story, while the ex-GOP-operative "fact checker" who was not there casts doubt on it.

By the way, in addition to that landing on the CBS film at Task Force Eagle base in Tuzla, Hillary also made two trips to front-line bases by helicopter that same day, which this dude either never knew about or does not feel like mentioning.

by Trickster 2008-03-23 08:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Hey, if this is a personal bravery in the face of combat competition we might as well hand the election to John McCain.  If it is about "lying," there are bigger issues to spend time on.

That being said, anyone running for office has to have more courage than average.  You risk your personal safety, your ego is out there on the line every day, I think this is a really stupid game picking this apart. This is such small stuff.

I badly want Obama to be my next president but this does not factor into anything at all.

At this point in the campaign we pretty much know who we choose (especially on a site like this one) and why.  Is this kind of argument going to do anything but give people a really bad taste for the process?

by mady 2008-03-23 08:11AM | 0 recs
HRC has made in an experience

issue and has lied about her experience. That's certainly worthy of note. Clearly history shows experience or lack thereof is not determinative of a successful presidency and McCain can beat her in that argument anyway so it's a stupid argument. But it's the one that she's made.

by RLMcCauley 2008-03-23 08:14AM | 0 recs
Re: Hillary was brave, media has it wrong

Normally, I'd agree that this was silly, but this story was floated not as an amusing anecdote, but as a reason to choose her as the nominee.  In that case, checking its accuracy is important.

by thezzyzx 2008-03-23 08:16AM | 0 recs
Then ask somebody who was there

This entire round of speculative criticism of her originates entirely from people who were not there.

by Trickster 2008-03-23 08:58AM | 0 recs

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