Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

People have accused Barack Obama of playing the race card in this campaign.

I didn't believe them.

But, this latest incident proves that his critics here have been right all along.

Please Rec and read below for this latest example.

Today, Geraldine Ferraro had this to say about Obama.

"If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position," she continued. "And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept."

Yet another example of Obama playing the race/gender card.  Does anyone doubt that Ferraro, a strong advocate for Hillary, would have said this if Obama were not so blatant about his blackness and masculinity?

Further proof that the Obamabots are the ones who played the race card here is shown by the fact that the Obama worshippers have the nerve to complain about this!!!!!!

And, yes, of course Geraldine Ferraro would have been on the ticket in 1984 and famous if she were a man.  To suggest otherwise is sexist and misogynist, and playing the race card.

Tags: Barack Obama, Geraldine Ferraro (all tags)

Comments

138 Comments

What do you mean?

I'm outraged by this!

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:17PM | 0 recs
BTW There is an EXCELLENT clarification
that exposes the smear job claiming "Hillary made Obama too black. "
He did a better job explaniing this than Factcheck.org.
http://cannonfire.blogspot.com/2008/03/k os-is-klown-or-why-did-obama-girl.html
by earthoat 2008-03-10 02:50PM | 0 recs
Re: What do you mean?

Obamabots continue manufacturing racist charges against the Clintons.
Now - they claim Hillary's VP comment was really code for "get to the back of the bus, Obama."

Oh - and tying Hillary to Spitzer gives Obamabots the rush they seek.

4 years of Obama's "new politics"?  don't think so.

by annefrank 2008-03-11 08:44AM | 0 recs
Am I right--isn't this just awful for Obama

to be doing this kind of thing?

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:17PM | 0 recs
Agreed

I am so tired of politicians manipulating their skin pigmentation just to win elections... the gall :-)

by zonk 2008-03-10 01:28PM | 0 recs
You thought his trip to Hawaii was about

something besides darkening himself up?

Oh, and slavery is his fault too--he cooked it up to make white people feel guilty.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:29PM | 0 recs
Re: You thought his trip to Hawaii was about

Grrr... So Obama's playing with skin pigmentation AND playing with the very fabric of time?

When Christopher Lloyd shows up with a flying DeLorean, do we want Obama's finger on the flux capacitor button?

by zonk 2008-03-10 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Am I right--isn't this just awful for Obama

Ok... HOW is this OBAMA playing the race card?  Ferraro said it, not Obama.  She supports Clinton.  

Maybe the diary was snark, but HOW THE HECK IS THIS OBAMA PLAYING THE RACE CARD??????

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 04:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Am I right--isn't this just awful for Obama

Yeah I started to realize AFTER my comment.  Thank god... I can't even see her rabid supporters condone this... of course the arrogant comment calling him Ken Starr didn't lead to a resignation as it should have.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 05:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Am I right--isn't this just awful for Obama

the obama strategy about that the super delegates can only confirm their lead is racist in arace between 2 whites this point would have been mute

by awayer 2008-03-10 09:25PM | 0 recs
HOW DARE HE!

I mean, really, how DARE he be born to an African father in America. How DARE he be inspiring and stuff.

WHERE IS THE OUTRAGE IN THE MEDIA OVER THIS BLATANT RACE CARD PLAYING BY OBAMA!

by Walt Starr 2008-03-10 05:47PM | 0 recs
Re: Am I right--isn't this just awful for Obama

Michelle and Oprah initiated the Race Card - telling blacks to vote for THE ONE.
The black one.

Those who don't - are racists.

by annefrank 2008-03-11 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Am I right--

Michelle and Oprah initiated the Race Card - telling blacks to vote for THE ONE.
The black one.

Those who don't - are racists.

by annefrank 2008-03-11 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Apparently Obama has been playing the race card his entire life. The nerve!

by JoeCoaster 2008-03-10 01:19PM | 0 recs
Look at his name--could he play

the race card any more blatantly than by having a hubristic African name like that?

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:20PM | 0 recs
Obama spent time in a neighborhood.

So, he's to blame for Bob Johnson making those comments.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Lol!  Good one

by oregonkcg 2008-03-10 01:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Now all he needs to do is keep playing the closet Muslim card and he can steal this election.

by conqdad 2008-03-10 01:25PM | 0 recs
Hmmm

What was that phrase at the past debate????  Oh, that's right, reject and denounce.

by minvis 2008-03-10 01:26PM | 0 recs
Heh

I had the Ferraro link ready to go when I clicked this diary just because of its title :-)

Seriously, though - this is an awfully dumb thing to say...

It's beyond the pale and I call on Senator Clinton to REJECT AND DENOUNCE Ms. Ferraro and to REMOVE her from her finance committee.

by zonk 2008-03-10 01:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Heh
Obama has made sexist comments about Hillary.
Has Obama apologized?
NO!  Obama encourages the "beat the bitch!" mantra.
by annefrank 2008-03-11 08:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

Bitch is the new black!

by kasjogren 2008-03-11 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Heh

Geez.

You're unhinged.

Can you please cite examples of Obama's "sexist comments"?

by zonk 2008-03-11 09:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

dont worry he can keep telling his black voters they are being bamboozled hoodwinked by the evil racist clintons.

by zane 2008-03-10 01:29PM | 0 recs
I forgot about that part. He

talks to BLACK voters.

Shameless race-hustler.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:31PM | 0 recs
Re: I forgot about that part. He

Shameful!

by oregonkcg 2008-03-10 01:42PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!
Yeah, I loved that. So glad he said it.
by Becky G 2008-03-10 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Hmmm, that's funny.  I don't recall Obama having any "black voters only" events.

Or events where TV cameras and reporters were not allowed, so that the whole country -- all races, colors, and creeds -- can hear it.

So, when was this event exclusively for "black voters"?

And when did Obama call the Clintons "evil racists" for trying to bamboozle and hoodwink people?

This Caucasian voter heard what Obama said about the VP-offer trick (somehow I must've gotten a special pass to see and hear his words over the internet, despite the fact that I'm not black!).  And I absolutely think that what the Clintons are doing is trying to hoodwink people by (a) implicitly offering the VP slot when Hillary's in second place, (b) suggesting that it's OK for her to leapfrog Obama because Obama voters can take solace in him possibly being VP, and (c) telling people that Obama is perfectly qualified to be VP, a heartbeat away from the presidency, but somehow not qualified for the presidency itself.

In my mind, that's some smooth attempted trickery by the Clintons.

But hey, you probably think that only "black voters" understand or care about that kind of logic, don't you?

Well, unfortunately for you and your preferred candidate, it's not just "black voters" who support Obama and appreciate what he's got to say.

by Bluebeard 2008-03-10 02:24PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

That's because you got left off the invite left.  They were secret... Shh.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 05:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

I don't know about the Clintons, but I wonder how many are being bamboozled by the racist Geraldine Ferraro.

by Drummond 2008-03-10 06:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!
I heard her interviewed on NPR recently and then on PBS (Jim Lehrer). Both times she sounded like a complete wack-o. She rambled all over the place, never answered anything she was asked and positively ranted when anyone said anything that didn't agree with her views on Hillary. I vaguely remember her when she ran with Mondale in 1984 and she seemed normal then. Now she seems to be kind of "out there" and not very nice. It crossed my mind that she's way too emotionally invested in Hillary's campaign for her own good.
by Becky G 2008-03-10 01:30PM | 0 recs
She's a stereotypical

latent racist who probably hasn't had an honest discussion about race with a black person her entire life.

How dare Obama take advantage of that!!!!

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a stereotypical

"She's a stereotypical latent racist who probably hasn't had an honest discussion about race with a black person her entire life."

You obviously know absolutely NOTHING about Geraldine Ferraro. Your throwing around accusations of racism with no basis for them is offensive and it degrades your credibility.

by 07rescue 2008-03-10 04:25PM | 0 recs
Re: She's a stereotypical

Her comments are a basis.  It's up to her to apologize for them.

by Drummond 2008-03-10 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Ha

And apparently it was HRC that was playing the race card when Jesse Jackson Jr accused her of never crying for black people (this was the day after NH primary), or when he badgers black superdelegates into supporting a black President.

Look...both sides have played the race card.  But unless you can come up with something before the NH primary, it appears to me that the BHO campaign played it first.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-10 01:31PM | 0 recs
Of course--he was black before

Clinton's people said anything.  It's obviously his fault.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:32PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course--he was black before

sure, whatever...if you say so.,

You probably think that being funny allows you to get around inconvenient truths...whatever.

by SevenStrings 2008-03-10 01:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course--he was black before

The inconvenient truth is that you can point only to one incident (you are right about doing this one, by the way, he shouldn't have said that), while we can point to many.

by marcotom 2008-03-10 03:19PM | 0 recs
Re: Of course--he was black before

Can you provide me with a list of incidents that you consider racially motivated/provocative

by SevenStrings 2008-03-10 08:28PM | 0 recs
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Come on, people.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-03-11 04:38AM | 0 recs
President Barack Obama

Sounds better every day.

by highgrade 2008-03-10 01:32PM | 0 recs
Hey, guess what!

Obama is benefiting from the fact that he is black.  Hillary is benefiting from the fact that she is a woman.

So you dare to state the facts and suddenly you are a racist?  Wow.

by linc 2008-03-10 01:33PM | 0 recs
Yes, black men have it made in the U.S.

Ask any listener of Rush Limbaugh's show.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Hey, guess what!

If you'll read the diary, it's about Ms. Ferraro's comments.  She didn't point out that he is black, she said he is lucky to be him and that he wouldn't be where he is now if he was white.

by oregonkcg 2008-03-10 01:44PM | 0 recs
There is no advantage to being a woman

either in politics or in the workplace.  Every once in a while you get tossed a little bone, but it isn't often, and it doesn't compensate for the disadvantages, like being told yes, you are a talented videographer, and better than 80 percent of the guys on staff here.  But we hired our woman, and every network has only one woman shooter on staff, that's just the way it is, and only one, and they're pretty young and not about to drop dead, so forget shooting in the field for a network in your lifetime.  Try the cheap cable station down the road that pays $14.20 an hour.

by earthoat 2008-03-10 02:56PM | 0 recs
Re: There is no advantage to being a woman

That does suck, and I agree with you. But it shouldn't be a contest of who has it harder, blacks or women. No one else in this race has put it that way until Ferraro's comment today.

Having said that, if the past few days proves anything, it's that (a.) a whole lot of people work for the campaigns and act as surrogates, and (b.) it's almost impossible to control them all and prevent dumb statements.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-03-10 03:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Hey, guess what!

How is he benefiting from being black?

by Drummond 2008-03-10 06:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

WOW!  Stunningly stupid and ignorant on Ms. Ferraro's part.  I wonder if the Clinton campaign will demand she be fired?

Oh, wait.....

Nevermind.

by Its Like Herding Cats 2008-03-10 01:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

This tripe is becoming so tiresome. Should Hillary quit now?  How about now?  Maybe now?  no, Now?

Maybe when Obama turns white again and Hillary takes off the pants and we all see she is really a man?

And how about killing all those babies?  didn't she do that?  No maybe that was Obama?  Maybe he killed those babies, remember he voted for no ban on late term, no maybe that's not right maybe it was he didn't vote, what was that he didn't vote for again?  No it was Hillary she didn't vote for late term, not that's it, they are both guilty, they both didn't do it, do you people see how silly you all look, its really funny LOL

by democrat voter 2008-03-10 01:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

You're not even making sense anymore.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-03-10 01:53PM | 0 recs
Losing it is par for the course.

Another day at MyDD.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-03-11 04:41AM | 0 recs
I don't follow

Did Ferraro say Hillary killed babies?

by amitxjoshi 2008-03-10 03:15PM | 0 recs
*blinks*

dude, you got to get off that sugar high. No idea what you just said.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-10 03:17PM | 0 recs
He fathered two black children too,

lest we forget! How dare he!!

by NeuvoLiberal 2008-03-10 01:47PM | 0 recs
I think the difference is that

they were not secret black babies like McCain's are.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-10 03:18PM | 0 recs
Re: I think the difference is that

?

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 05:52PM | 0 recs
its a reference

to the push poling done by Karl Rove in 1999 republican primary. Basically they were calling up voters and saying.

What do you think about McCain?
and then following up with

How would you vote if you found out that McCain had secretly fathered a black baby.

Basically, that was supposed to have damaged McCain...blah, blah...and so on.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-10 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: its a reference

Ah yes...forgot about those stories.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 09:53PM | 0 recs
I wish she just would have called him

A Monster.

by Edgar08 2008-03-10 01:48PM | 0 recs
Ferraro told us a lot about herself

with this statement.

Just another out of touch, latent racist old white lady.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:51PM | 0 recs
Shouldn't she just have

Called him a Monster, if that's the way she really felt?

by Edgar08 2008-03-10 01:53PM | 0 recs
No, he's just another Negro

who doesn't know his place.

Benign racism.

by CarolinaNumber23 2008-03-10 01:59PM | 0 recs
Well good then

At least she doesn't think he's a monster!

by Edgar08 2008-03-10 02:00PM | 0 recs
Well Hey???!!!!!

What about this part:


And if he was a woman (of any color) he would not be in this position.

She must be sexist too.

Burn her.  She's a witch!

by Edgar08 2008-03-10 02:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Ferraro told us a lot about herself

Gee 1 part of the team who were handed one of the biggest electoral defeats in history... yeah there's a surprise she's out of shape.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 05:55PM | 0 recs
I think this is the critical difference

between the Obama campaign and the Clinton campaign...

Since SuperTuesday, Team Clinton seems to be running for "Biggest Victim", while Obama continues to run for President.

by zonk 2008-03-10 02:06PM | 0 recs
Re: I think this is the critical difference

I hope they both win!

by freedom78 2008-03-10 02:49PM | 0 recs
Re: I think this is the critical difference

haha, that's good!

by marcotom 2008-03-10 03:41PM | 0 recs
Good one, f78

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-03-11 04:43AM | 0 recs
LOL

snicker.

Guffaw.

by Edgar08 2008-03-10 03:05PM | 0 recs
Clinton's comment wasn't racial. it was political

by earthoat 2008-03-10 02:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

I am OUTRAGED that Obama continues to play The Race Card. OUTRAGED.

by amiches 2008-03-10 03:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Everyone knows it's easier to get elected as a black man in America. Ask our 1 black Senator or our 1 black Governor.

by sacca28 2008-03-10 03:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

On a scale of 1-10, how OUTRAGED would you say you are over this recent revelation that Barack Obama is black? I'm at 24 or so.

by amiches 2008-03-10 03:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Look at those stats, its good to be black in Politics!

by KLRinLA 2008-03-10 05:31PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

It's really unfair for you people to make an issue of this.  Clinton supporters, REALLY REAL DEMS, don't have time to comment on blogs, because they work nights and are seniors and have to get a babysitter to commit the time necessary to refute your nonsense!  Plus it's cold outside and I've had a few beers.  So just stop it already.

by enozinho 2008-03-10 03:35PM | 0 recs
Horsecrap

Clinton didn't try to "radicalize" Obama. Clinton made a perfectly reasonable observation. The race card was played by the Obamabots who used it to trash Bill and Jesse Jackson.

by bouvougan 2008-03-10 04:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Horsecrap

Why would Obama supporters attack a person who supports Obama?

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 04:20PM | 0 recs
Re: Horsecrap

What else would you call it when it's categorized at "radicalizing" Obama if you compare him to Jackson? Jackson himself said that the Obama camp was "playing politics" about Clinton's remark, even though he does support Obama.

by bouvougan 2008-03-10 04:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Horsecrap

Link?

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 05:50PM | 0 recs
Re: Horsecrap

Here's the link. Jackson's actual statement is that it was "more gotcha politics."

http://www.essence.com/essence/lifestyle /voices/0,16109,1706948,00.html

by bouvougan 2008-03-10 06:19PM | 0 recs
if you really believe that...

you are naive, my friend.

by Damien in Texas 2008-03-10 05:57PM | 0 recs
Re: if you really believe that...

You, my friend, are the naive one. I haven't heard one decent explanation as to why his remarks were racist. Just knee-jerk, unthinking affirmation by people way too gullible to do more than parrot what they've heard.

by bouvougan 2008-03-10 06:22PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Funny, Ferraro is a Clinton surrogate - Clinton is the one playing the race card.

by dogman 2008-03-10 04:17PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Lucky for you, I have a spare snark detector. You can borrow it.

by jaiwithani 2008-03-10 04:51PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

"Wait for the Clinton spin after Obama wins yet another State...Mississippi

If Obama wasn't a black man, all those black people in Mississippi would not have voted for him.

"Since it costs a lot to win, and even more to lose,
You and me bound to spend some time wondrin' what to choose.
Goes to show, you don't ever know,
Watch each card you play and play it slow,
Wait until that deal come round,
Don't you let that deal go down, no, no."

Tap your toes...Obama supporters know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKtrz_fvm oc

by nogo war 2008-03-10 04:21PM | 0 recs
So, blacks support of him by huge %

has nothing to do with his ethnicity?  They just like his message and "don't see color"?

I watched State of the Black Union and I didn't come to that conclusion.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: So, blacks support of him by huge %

What does that have to do with Ferraro's statement?  Are you suggesting that her comments are all good because most black people vote for Barack Obama? And are you also suggesting that because of his blackness and the getting of the black vote, he is in the lead, both  delegate and popular vote?  Just because a high percentage of blacks voted for Barack does not mean blacks make up the largest percentage of his total vote.  I don't say this to qualify Barack's votes, rather in an effort to explain sense into your non-sensical comment

by KLRinLA 2008-03-10 05:43PM | 0 recs
Obama gets DEATH threats because he is black

I wonder if Ferraro knows that.

by puma 2008-03-10 04:31PM | 0 recs
Sarcasm...

This diary makes me sad. I don't like Ferraro's comment, but instead of denouncing it in a serious way, the diarist chooses to pour more gasoline on the racial pyre. It would be one thing to confront racism with reason. It is another to confront it with sarcasm and counter racism.

When someone throws a stone, is the right thing to do to throw stones back at them? Or is the right thing to do to call the cops?

This response just fans the fires of hatred. Call her out, but to do it in such a mean spirited way undermines your legitimate point in my opinion.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-10 04:42PM | 0 recs
Holy crap

Does a comment like this really need to be denounced in a "serious" way? No, probably better to make fun of the entire idea. I'm sorry that your candidate, her surrogate, and her supporters are on the receiving end of this.

by amiches 2008-03-10 04:59PM | 0 recs
Re: Holy crap

All I am saying is that it would be better to take the high road. It seems you don't think so. When the tables are reversed and the Clinton people respond to sexist comments with mean spirited sarcasm, I'd say it undermines the legitimacy of their indignation. This knife cuts both ways. In my opinion it is always better to call out any -ism with clear denunciation. It is much more effective.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-10 05:09PM | 0 recs
but

Obama got blame for Samantha Power comments you were ok.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-10 06:11PM | 0 recs
Re: but

Certainly, the comment deserves reproach. Ferraro is not Clinton's odds on choice for Sec. State, but this comment is definately not appropriate in my book and it reflects badly on Clinton to the extent that she is represented by Ferraro (which I don't think is that much, but anyway).

Still, the right way to go after Powers was with carefully chosen reasoned criticism. That is what drove her to resign. I realize that some people had a field day. I would criticise them too. Juvenile mean spirited insults and over the top sarcasm just reflect badly on the speaker, their associates and their causes. That's my opinion anyway.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-10 08:37PM | 0 recs
Re: Sarcasm...

The problem is that her statement was not only reprehensible, but also just plain ridiculous - warranting satire.

by Drummond 2008-03-10 06:12PM | 0 recs
How about when Clinton said "fairy tale"

Wow, was that a bigoted remark or what?

I didn't realize when people told me that my thoughts on a subject or my "side of the story" was a "fairy tale" that they were making a racial remark about me!  I know better now!

And when Hillary said that LBJ was somehow involved in governmental reforms along the lines of MLK's "dream", WOW what a racial remark.  I mean MLK did it ALL by himself - and other African Americans.  LBJ and JFK did absolutely nothing.  

I guess I've been hoodwinked, bamboozled!

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 04:57PM | 0 recs
Re: How about when Clinton said

We're talking about THIS bigoted remark.

Do you or do you not support Geraldine Ferraro's bigoted remarks?

by amiches 2008-03-10 05:00PM | 0 recs
Re: How about when Clinton said

She uses the usual "I'M THE FUCKING VICTIM HERE" evasion technique. You see it very often with Clinton supporters. Don't expect them to denounce and reject anything, they can't do that.

by marcotom 2008-03-10 05:06PM | 0 recs
I've BEEN the Fucking Victim

and it's no fun.  I have to work very hard to not continue to be a victim - so carry that talk about "playing victim" to someone else.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 05:10PM | 0 recs
incredible

playing the victim...by claiming not to be playing the victim? It's like a bend in the space-time continuum.

by amiches 2008-03-10 05:14PM | 0 recs
You don't know what you're talking about

You don't know who I am, what I think.

I did not comment on Ferraro statement and I didn't have to.  

You don't know who I support.

You don't know who I've donated to.

You don't know who I voted for.

I can criticize people I support and I can criticize those I don't.  If I read something bad about one candidate, and it's not the candidate I support, I don't automatically assume that it's true.  I TRY to be fair.

Most of the people around here who don't like Hillary say things that are hateful and uninformed.  Ferraro purportedly made the statement - I haven't even googled it - and it's turned into Clinton is guilty.  When you make up your mind that someone is just evil or bad, you can see nothing but bad.

Thank goodness, I do not feel that way about Obama or Clinton.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 05:43PM | 0 recs
Re: You don't know what you're talking about

But it is weird to see you repeatedly post comments to this article trying to legitamize or downplay Ferraro's statement, so it makes me wonder what your motive is in defending the statement.   One thing we will see is what HRC's reaction to this is....like if she doesn't address this (or rather if she does not denounce this) then you can imagine that this may be a "move" on the part of her campaign (the move being getting white Penn/Miss blue-collar workers fired up about affirmative action)
by KLRinLA 2008-03-10 06:00PM | 0 recs
You are not right

I have not and would not "legitamize" or even downplay Ferraro's statement.  I certainly did not "defend the statement".

If you go back to the diary, it was a sarcastic in tone entirely and the comments were sarcastic as well, and worse.

No point in discussing anything with you - your mind is made up.  End of discussion, which MAY be what you want.  You make statements and no one should disagree with you.  

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 07:40PM | 0 recs
Re: You don't know what you're talking about

1) Fair points for the first half.

2) The Hillary Supporters have made JUST as many hateful and uninformed comments.  What you said is true, but its only half the story on MyDD and in general.  Be fair in your statement as both sides are equally guilty.

3) Samantha Powers Monster comment was made by the press, many bloggers and many MyDDers as an indictment on Obama... which is why she resigned.  If Powers comment was resignation worthy, how then is Ferraro's comment not EQUALLY heinous given the previously established precident.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: You don't know what you're talking about

I have not read near the number of hateful comments from Hillary supporters ABOUT Obama.  I certainly have not felt the hatred or disgust toward Obama that I read from some of his supporters on this blog toward Hillary.

As for Samantha Powers "Monster" comment, I thought that the press made way too much of it.  I thought Hillary was unfair and unkind in her response.  I have seen Samantha on CSPAN (on other subjects) and thought highly of her.  Too bad she let the emotions of the campaign get to her, but it is certainly understandable.  Lastly, I think Samantha said out loud what many write in the blogs - the sight of Hillary makes her go "Yearg" or something like that.  Hillary's reaction to the criticism was not appreciated by me.

If Ferraro is working for Hillary, then she should go AND Hillary should denounce and reject (another ridiculous statement from Hillary IMHO) Ferraro's statement.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: You don't know what you're talking about

I disagree on the number of comments, but maybe you haven't been reading as much as I have nor been around as long as I have.  What's hateful is fairly subjective as well, so the whole thing is an unanswerable exercise in subjectivity.

as for the rest, at least you are consistent and I applaud you.  I also happen to agree with you on that part as well.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 09:58PM | 0 recs
You obviously haven't checked the rec list

lately.  Hello?

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-03-11 04:50AM | 0 recs
I'll write what I want to write

When I want to write it and how I want to write it.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 05:08PM | 0 recs
Re: I'll write what I want to write

I'm going to take your silence as support, because, as we well know, one has to forcefully "denounce and reject" bigotry, even if it has nothing to do with you, at every turn.

by amiches 2008-03-10 05:12PM | 0 recs
re

Geraldine is absolutley right. Everyone knows that Bill and Hillary had a huge African American following and if Obama had not been in the race Hillary would have won them big. All the polls showed it. And Gerry is right, if Obama was a black woman NO WAY would Obama be in contention. Stating facts is not racism

by rossinatl 2008-03-10 05:25PM | 0 recs
Re: re

Actually, this is probably true.  Clinton was entitled to their votes.  The temerity of Black voters for not falling in line.

by enozinho 2008-03-10 05:37PM | 0 recs
Re: re

He stole their black votes?

by Drummond 2008-03-10 06:13PM | 0 recs
How soon we forget.

The Clintons had the black vote sewn up in the beginning.  Then Bill felt compelled to open his big yap.

by ReillyDiefenbach 2008-03-11 04:53AM | 0 recs
Re: re


You are right, and it's not that O "stole the black vote" from Hillary as some others have responded to your comment; that's not the point.  The Clintons have a long history with the AA community, and that's why they both have always been hugely popular with AAs and had their enthusiastic support.  Of course with an AA in the race, those votes go over to him.

Without all this division, the Dems would be sailing clear to a crushing victory in the fall; instead we're moving on "to snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory."

The Clintons are not racist, as some (not all) of O's supporters seem to think.

by moevaughn 2008-03-11 07:58AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuB_W8o_U sU

by SusanCLE 2008-03-10 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Very unfortunate statement. Really, really bad. I'm sure HRC will ask Geraldine to step down from the campaign immediately. In the words of Howard Wolfson, "this will be a real test of the (Clinton) campaign".

by Clipper 2008-03-10 06:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Wolfson should have been crucified for the Starr comment.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 06:17PM | 0 recs
Secret Service protection is needed because of

racist death threats but I guess in Geraldine's mind, that doesn't matter because he has received an easy ride.  Is she on crack?!  This is absolutely unbelievable!  She needs to go.  This man is risking his life and he gets to hear/ endure dumb comments like Geraldine Ferrero's.  There are several talented women in the senate and serving as governors but how many African-Americans are serving in those positions currently?  One - Deval Patrick in MA and Barack Obama in the Senate.

by mishiem 2008-03-10 06:18PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Geraldine Ferraro is a filthy racist!
Bill and Hillary Clinton are filthy racists!
All Clinton supporters are filthy racists!

Why don't all you filthy racists go vote with those other filthy racists, the Republicans, in November?

I'm Karl Rove and I approved this diary

by JoePittsburgh 2008-03-10 06:25PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Ha.

by illlaw1 2008-03-10 06:49PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Dude,

Why dont you write a real dairy - not a fake one. Stop joking about the race card. It is very sick.  Just include Obamas latest speech where he says "Hoodwinked" again.

Obama plays the race card, he uses reverse racism for his AA voters. Would it be alright for anyone white to say dont be "Hoodwinked" by this black man looking for your vote. Of course not. That is blatantly racist. And your support of Obama use of racism, and mocking those disgusted at it, seriously reflects on your own beliefs.  

Shame on you.

by moi moi 2008-03-10 07:09PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

So hoodwinked is on the forbidden words list?

Someone alert George Carlin.

by zonk 2008-03-10 07:41PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Did you read the diary, or the linked article?

by shalca 2008-03-10 08:07PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

I've used hoodwinked myself.  While not in common usage these days, it's a perfectly acceptable term for pulling the wool over someone's eyes, fooling them, conning them, etc.

by GFORD 2008-03-10 10:35PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Clinton supporters just don't get it. Haha. When Obama is the candidate this is exactly the kind of mentality we will be fighting against from the Republicans. Exactly. Just wait.

by Clipper 2008-03-10 07:32PM | 0 recs
And you didn't KNOW that?

Like Hillary supporters didn't know going in that she was going to hear Whitewater, filegate, travelgate, and yes Monica Lewinsky.  If she didn't know and her supporters didn't know the Republican machine was going to go after her with the venom they possess, I don't know what to think.

Likewise, if Obama supporters didn't know going in that we are going to hear racist, and I don't mean anything like "fairy tale" or LBJ/MLK remarks, I'm talking downright racist Muslim shit, I don't know what to think.  It's going to be straight anti-affirmative action because that's what they are.  They will try to hide the downright ugliest of the racist remarks - but they will get out.  I know, because I got them during Katrina.  It's bad out there.

Either way, it's going to be very very ugly.  Quite frankly, I'm concerned.

by Southern Mouth 2008-03-10 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Obama's famous speech at the 2004 Dem Convention was all about his father who left him when he was two- Not one word about his mother-  Obama has been race baiting from the very beginning- See TNR Race Man: http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?i d=aa0cd21b-0ff2-4329-88a1-69c6c268b304
The Democratic party has been threatened with race riots if he doesn't win- In Texas the caucus' were just plain scary in some districts-  The fact that Obama is winning by as much as 90% in the AA community is scary- This is affirmative action not merit based voting- It will not end well unless Obama does something to calm this down- Telling folks in the South that they've been hoodwinked and bamboozled- okey doked-(aren't these code words used by Malcolm X in Spike Lee movies?-where's the press on this?)  He's down on Popeye's etc. for someone who went to one of the most exclusive boarding school in Hawaii and then to ivy league -it's not exactly "authentic"

David Axelrod has certainly done a great job fooling the American people-

by ExperienceCounts 2008-03-10 07:34PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Is this a serious response or snark?

by shalca 2008-03-10 08:08PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

I bet it was scary for you, what with all those black people showing up at the polls.  Where were the police when you needed them?  Black support is oh, so scary when it isn't for the kind, gentle and good Clinton's who have made their poor lives worth living and should be entitled to their support. It's ok for blacks to vote for Democrats at a 80% clip, but when its for a black candidate it just seems like a riot waiting to happen.  We will all feel safer when "those people" come to their senses.

by GobBluth 2008-03-10 08:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Judgement counts more... and from Watergate, Travelgate, Hillarycare, cattle futures, the handling of Lewinsky and others by denial as is attributed to her by many WH insiders, her Bankruptcy vote and her AUMF, her judgement is pretty poor.  As is yours.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 10:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Sorry, foul -- I live in Texas, and there are virtually no reports of any caucus being even vaguely scary. Chaotic and confused, due to 10x the normal turnout, yes. Scary, no.

I agree that threats of race riots are uncalled for.

How is it that Barack Obama's high turnout and voter share amount AA's is "scary"? Is Hillary Clinton's very high share of older white women "scary"? Or is there something inherently "scary" about AA's that is not "scary" about white women? Is it the same thing "scary" about all that AA turnout at caucuses?

Could it reasonably be that there's an awful lot of pride among a community who have never even had a shot at the Vice Presidency in suddenly finding a candidate who has a strong chance of being President? Could it be that, instead of affirmative action?

How is it wrong to tell voters in Mississippi that they're being hoodwinked and bamboozled when they are? Can you ascribe anything else to a candidate in second place making a Vice Presidential offer to the leading candidate? In promoting the idea of someone for VP, a job that Bill Clinton himself says requires someone who absolutely is ready on day one, who the campaign claims to be NOT ready? If you believe that, you're being hoodwinked; if you let it affect you're voting, you're being bamboozled.

The TNR article you link to is tripe of the worst order. It's written by a very vocal Clinton supporter (which does not in and of itself make it tripe, mind you -- some Clinton supporters, though in my opinion a declining number, speak honestly about things -- but it does demand deeper investigation).

What that article pretty much says is that Obama is playing the race card because he is, and the evidence for it is that he played the race card in the following place. How did he do that? By playing the race card of course. And since he played the race card, clearly he's playing the race card. And since he's playing the race card, clearly what he did here, here, and here, is playing the race card, instead of anything else? Why isn't it anything else? Because he's playing the race card, that's why. And how do we know he's playing the race card? Because he did it here, here, and here.

It's pure tripe.

I don't actually believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton are racists. There's no reason to believe they are. They've said they're not and I believe them. Oh wait... that's a different subject.

Seriously: I do not believe that Bill and Hillary Clinton are racists. Period. End of subject. That's how to answer a question when you're asked if someone else is something you don't believe them to be.

I also do not believe that Barack Obama is, was, or has been playing the race card. I do believe that the Clinton campaign has, at times, played it. For instance, Geraldine Ferraro played it in absolutely unequivocable terms today.

I've seen Barack Obama speak on numerous occasions, and at no point did he ever allude to race. In fact, I've heard persistent criticism of him from black people, and mixed-race people, that he's not a good role model for black and mixed-race people because he doesn't refer to himself as black or mixed-race.

Barack Obama is not running to be the Black President of the United States. He's not running to be the Mixed-Race President of the United States. He's running to be the human President of the United States.

What happened to judging people by the content of their character instead of the color of their skin? Isn't that a Democratic value?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-10 10:36PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

The commenter before you doesn't deserve a response that good.  The racial obsession of certain Clinton supporters is nearing unhealthy levels on this site.  They're surprised that African-Americans, being one of the most shit-upon communities in US history, are rallying to a candidate who actually has a good shot at being the first black president.  It doesn't bother them that Clinton won landslides in the white vote in Southwest Virginia, western Maryland, and every Southern state even as she was getting blown out statewide.  No, whenever white voters pick a white candidate, it's merit-based.  When black people vote for an African-American, it's "affirmative action".

Sad.

by Skaje 2008-03-11 03:39AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Oh for the days when they knew their place, right?

by zonk 2008-03-11 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Meant Whitewater, not Watergate.  Too late at night to be writing this.

by yitbos96bb 2008-03-10 10:01PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

I hear that Obama wrote an essay in kindergarten about his ambition to become a negro.

by Dumbo 2008-03-11 12:41AM | 0 recs
weak

not even good snark

by MollieBradford 2008-03-11 04:01AM | 0 recs
Re: race/gender card

Going back over the whole last 20th century, do you know of a woman of any race or of any white person (male or female), who, with a good local-level resume, was elected to the U.S. Senate for the first time, and then right away started running for President?    

Putting aside gender and race for a moment:  
Barack does have a lot of good "fire it up" energy, and his success in the primaries has been incredible.  I kind of wish Dennis Kucinich had his "fire it up" skills, and the media had taken to Dennis and built him up a la O, because I really liked Kucinich's plans for the country most of all.

by moevaughn 2008-03-11 05:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama plays the race/gender card---again!!!!!

Great snark. This clearly shows the depravity of the Clinton campaign. Its pathetic.

by AHunch 2008-03-11 07:25AM | 0 recs

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