So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Last month there were two interesting tabulations of the results so far in the primaries. We have seen all the tabulations of the popular vote and the arguments about who's ahead, but these two were different. They counted the DEMOCRATIC vote. That's right- the votes by actual, card-carrying Democrats in Democratic primaries.

Of course, you can't measure this directly, and that's for a reason. Every vote in the ballot box is the same. The only way to do this is indirectly, using exit polls. If you know the percent of  voters who identified themselves as Democrats in exit polls, and the percentage of Democrats who voted for each candidate (again using exit poll data), you can take the recorded vote totals and figure out how many Democrats in each state voted for each candidate.

Is this pure science? Oh, hell, no. You're extrapolating from a sample of a few hundred to millions of voters. But it's way ahead of the anecdotal evidence we have that "those people in Mississippi who voted for Hillary were really Republicans" and "I heard that Obama got a bunch of Independents to vote for him". At least it's real numbers... probably the best available data to answer the burning question, "Who do the DEMOCRATS want for the Democratic nominee?  We know who the Republicans want- somebody who will lose to McCain.

Onward to the numbers.

Let's do a fast example. Say in State X, the vote totals were Obama 1,500,000 and Hillary 1,000,000. Obama won the primary, 60% to 40%. Now, suppose the exit polls said that only 60% of the voters self-identified as Democrats (in the vote total, that would be 1,500,000 of the 2,500,000 total votes), and of those Democrats in the exit polling, they favored Hillary 8 to 7 (53.3% to 46.7%).  That means that Hillary got 800,000 of the 1,500,000 Democratic votes, and Obama got 700,000. Obama won the open primary by 500,000 votes (since the 1,000,000 non-Democrats went for him, 800,000 to 200,000, or 4 to 1), but lost the Democratic vote by 100,000 votes See how it works?

Last month there were two efforts to take the primaries so far, and all the exit poll data, and calculate who was ahead in the Democratic vote. One was from Cal Lanier over at The Perfect World, and can be found here. The Slate Trailhead blog had a mention of this, which is how I found it. Paul Lukasiak had a similar analysis up on Taylor Marsh's site here
(cootie alert for Obama supporters).

Updating the totals since February by looking at TX, OH, VT, and RI, and even including Mississippi, Cal Lanier has the primary total as Hillary 10,210,076 Obama 9,133,765. Even throwing in the Democratic vote counts from caucus states, which aren't technically votes, but might as well count, since it's one Democrat's opinion, that adds another 378,613 for Hillary and 683,111 for Obama, so Obama ends up losing the total Democratic vote by 771,813 votes.

Bottom Line? Here are the total votes cast by DEMOCRATS so far...

Hillary 10,588,689, Obama 9,816,876

And people wonder why she's fighting for the nomination. Probably because more Democrats want her to get the nomination that want Obama to get it. I know, it's a silly thing, this majority opinion by actual party members, but I thought I'd throw it out there.

OK, you can all screech away and attack the methodology, now that you've decided you don't like the results. And remember RULE ZERO, as lambert over at Corrente says:

Rule Zero: Any rule that purports to impede Obama's selection as Democratic nominee is not really a rule.

Tags: 2008 election, Primaries (all tags)

Comments

45 Comments

Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Excellent analysis, camp. Your research is spot on!

by KnowVox 2008-03-24 07:24PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

To answer your question - HILLARY!

Well said Camp - highly RECOMMENDED!

by alegre 2008-03-24 07:25PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?
This is Democrat Nomination.  Democrats should have the the exclusive right to select their nominee.  But this is not the case.
I would accept independent voters.  But Republican has no place.
by JoeySky18 2008-03-24 07:26PM | 0 recs
If the democrats want it to themselves...

If the party wants to keep outsiders out it's time they fund their own elections instead of having the taxpayers do it.  I actually think the current debacle with the Florida/Michigan is a good example why they SHOULD consider taking that route.  Do it all themselves and not let Republican legislatures determine the rules and dates.

by furiousxgeorge 2008-03-24 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

So if a Republican you knew told you he was going to vote Democrat in Nov, but only for Obama, you would tell him to take a hike?  Seems like a lousy way to build a majority.

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-03-24 08:27PM | 0 recs
false premise.

these are all PRIMARY votes we're talking about here.  nobody cares if whomever- republicans, independents, aliens, etc... votes for our ticket in the general. i'm talking about choosing the nominee of the DEMOCRATIC party here.

by campskunk 2008-03-25 05:07AM | 0 recs
Re: false premise.

Right and this registered Republican would like to have a say in the choice of our nominee, not because he wants to sabotage our party but because he wants the chance to vote for the only Democrat that he likes in the GE.  You think that allowing him an opportunity to help us in the GE is a bad thing?

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-03-25 08:03AM | 0 recs
same false premise as before.

let me repeat this. i am in favor of democrats, republicans, independents, space aliens, and innocent passersby voting for the democratic nominee in the general election. this diary is about primaries. you don't seem to be able to understand that.

by campskunk 2008-03-25 08:31AM | 0 recs
Re: same false premise as before.

I do understand your premise.  My hypothetical presupposes a former Republican who will vote on our side in the general IF AND ONLY IF his chosen candidate is made the nominee in the primary.  Can you see the advantage of letting him have a say in the primary to expand our base in the general?

by DreamsOfABlueNation 2008-03-25 08:46AM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Agreed.  Let's start by rejecting and denoucing the 257,000 republican votes HRC got in TX, OH, and MS.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articl es/2008/03/17/many_voting_for_clinton_to _boost_gop/

While we're at it let's throw out any future nefarious republican votes that may come along in upcoming contests.

http://www.examiner.com/blogs/political_ hypothesis/2008/3/19/General-Rush-Limbau gh-directs-Operation-Chaos-in-a-ParaMili tary-Strike-Against-the-Democratic-Party

by fogiv 2008-03-24 08:29PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Sure lets renounce the candidate with the smaller number of GOP votes.....

by DTaylor 2008-03-24 08:38PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

So.... some are ok then?  So long as they're in your boat?

The poster to whom I replied suggests that Repubs should not be involved in a dem primary, but by ommision gleefully accepts those 257k GOP votes for Hillary.

While my post points out the ridiculous hypocracy of such a statement, your clever response accomplishes what?

by fogiv 2008-03-24 08:46PM | 0 recs
i dunno about rejecting and denouncing...

...but i sure didn't count them, or count ANYONE who wasn't a democrat. if you had read the diary, you'd know the premise was to see who the DEMOCRATS voted for, and not count non-democrats who support either candidate. you seem to want to return to the same anecdotal approach the methodology was designed to cut through, and obscure the issue. i wonder why that is.

by campskunk 2008-03-25 05:10AM | 0 recs
Corollary to RULE ZERO:

Any analysis which shows Hillary in an advantageous position to Obama has irreparable and fatal methodological errors.

by campskunk 2008-03-24 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: Corollary to RULE ZERO:

Plus it's a racist analysis done by a racist.

by Scotch 2008-03-24 07:46PM | 0 recs
Re: Corollary to RULE ZERO:

yeah, it's all this white guilt that's causing the calculation errors.

by campskunk 2008-03-24 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: Corollary to RULE ZERO:

Thought so.  Thanks for confirming it.

by Scotch 2008-03-24 08:00PM | 0 recs
Re: Corollary to RULE ZERO:

And its sad and pathetic. lol

We should have a list of the no think Obama team answers.

by DTaylor 2008-03-24 08:39PM | 0 recs
blah...blah...

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 07:57PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?
Lukasiak, btw, is gold. He is the one who did the deep digging into W's AWOL records via the FOIA. It is his work that provides the gold standard on the topic. He's been an honest broker on the progressive Internet since dinosaurs walked the earth, before the '00 election.
by Pacific John 2008-03-24 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: Another "Rule"

Don't forget Obama's famous "W.O.R.M. RULE." Anytime Obama is wrong, his campaign tries to worm their way out of it by telling us "W.hat O.bama R.eally M.eant" LOL

Rule Zero: Any rule that purports to impede Obama's selection as Democratic nominee is not really a rule

by KnowVox 2008-03-24 07:28PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Good job, Camp. I like your analysis.

by Check077 2008-03-24 07:29PM | 0 recs
thats right,

only a self identified dems are true dems.
No other liberal.

And of course no repub would lie about being a dem if he is trying to throw and election.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 07:33PM | 0 recs
oh, we don't care if they lie.

these were self-identified- they're whatever they told the exit pollster. most of those republicans have more self-respect than to identify themselves as democrats ;-)

by campskunk 2008-03-24 07:53PM | 0 recs
ok

but there are TONS of liberals who do not want to be identified as Dems but vote Dem. Think about how pissed Dems were at Nader supporters who were obviously liberal but did nto identify themselves as Dems.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 07:55PM | 0 recs
Re: ok
That's true. I'm a registered Independent, but I'm way to the left of nearly everyone I know IRL.
by sricki 2008-03-24 08:24PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

This can't be right.  Obama is the one.  He is winning everything, popular vote, caucuses, primaries, delegates,... only meanies and old people vote for Hillary so this can't possibly be right. </snark>

by Mike Pridmore 2008-03-24 07:37PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

I don't get the concept of the primary winner being called the Democratic nominee, when they're not.  Independents should make a committment, or get their own candidate.  They are the ones who are usually screaming about a 3rd party and being forced to vote for just one of two candidates.  They should get their own.  The more, the merrier.  My experience with people who are registered as independents in my states closed primary, is that they don't really care about politics and voting and are in fact, relieved to not have to go to the polls on election day.  It's an excuse to not participate in the system.  That is just my state, I don't know the experience in other states.  

If independents and republicans can vote in a DEMOCRATIC primary, then the candidate shouldn't have to be a Democrat either.  In fact, why don't we just open the candidate application to anyone who wants to run.  Forget about parties, and run the two candidates who get the most votes in the whole country in the GE.  After the person gets elected, then they can pick the party they want to allign with.  Either that, or Independents can get their own candidate, and Republicans can take a hike.  I am not interested in sharing a party, I have participated and given time and money to building, with just anyone in voting for the DEMOCRATIC Nominee.

by Scotch 2008-03-24 07:44PM | 0 recs
well the idea is
you attract Independent and cross overs to your candidate during the primary and they are much more likely to vote for you in GE.
There are numerous studies confirming this.
by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 07:52PM | 0 recs
better go tell obama.

all the "democrat for a day" literature i've seen stresses the fact that you can switch right back. not that they need to, though... the general election is open to everyone. all those democrats for a day will be eligible to vote for mccain, regardless of their registration. the monkey business with the registration is solely to mess with the opposition party's primary. it's happening in PA as we speak.

by campskunk 2008-03-24 07:58PM | 0 recs
you the crappy

part about this is that you know the truth.
You know that it was one instance of that by ONE volunteer precinct captain who did it on his own initiative and that Obama campaign quickly put a kaboosh on it.

Show me proof its happening in PA?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 08:01PM | 0 recs
Re: you the crappy

It's happening in PA because I've been listening to commercials on the radio all week with Obama himself telling people that they had a week to reregister as a democrat.  Can't quote the exact words, but almost fell off my car seat because this is exactly what has been described through the whole campaign.  In fact, the local news tonight said that a large number of people have been changing from pug to dem by todays deadline.  I don't for a minute think that they are doing that in good faith and intend to stay registered that way for long.  They can vote for anyone in the general no matter what their registration.  

by Scotch 2008-03-24 08:07PM | 0 recs
oh what the flip!!!!

Are you ABSOLUTELY CRAZY?????

We do not want new Democrats?

What the proper procedure to register a former republican who is disillusioned and want to be a democrat now? Does this person need change his registration to independent then wait a few years then register dem?

What about registering an independent as a dem? Does he need to take an oath before registering that he stays dem for a long time. Lets call it a loyalty oath.

Should we not remind people of deadline? Should the information about the deadline be hidden in Far Far Away?

Did you know that Hillary website is promoting the same kind of fraud?? Look:

Voter Registration Form Due Today!
by Saul Shemesh
3/24/2008 11:55:55 AM

Today is the deadline to register to vote for Hillary in the Democratic Primacy.  Your registration form must be postmarked by today, March 24th, and sent to your county voter registration office.  If you are currently registered as a Republican or Independent, you must register as a Democrat to vote in the Primary.

Click Here for Your Voter Registration Form and Your County Voter Registration Office Address.


http://blog.hillaryclinton.com/blog/main /2008/03/24/165555

How dare they!!!!

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 08:16PM | 0 recs
Re: oh what the flip!!!!

A certain number of them always reregister, but they are not openly courted.  They do it to screw with the process.  The Republican election is boring and the candidate already fixed, why not fuck with the Dem process.  Believe me, this is not done out of good faith and a true belief in any of the candidates.  You can't think that that many Republican voters are actually voting Democratic, actually turning liberal.  Republicans hate both candidates here, McCain is popular in PA.   The Dem party is not getting a whole bunch of new converts in the switch.  There are actually orgnized efforts to throw the other side off here, but it is usually not promoted openly by the candidates.

by Scotch 2008-03-24 08:34PM | 0 recs
well primaries as well as others

election are the MAIN time we get new registrations.

More over the commenter above accused Obama of doing that. I assure you, Clinton is doing it too.

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 08:41PM | 0 recs
Re: well the idea is

I am not sure that is the case.  In the caucus I was in in Texas, we had 45 voters.  Thirty-three were for Hillary and we were all registered Dems.  Obama got twelve votes.  Of that group, five said they were Independents and didn't know who they would vote for in November.  I knew two of the other Obama caucus supporters and they are Republicans who will certainly vote for McCain.  It was surreal.

by macmcd 2008-03-24 08:29PM | 0 recs
think Nader

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 07:53PM | 0 recs
Re: think Nader

Hmmm....I am thinking Nader. Wasn't he funded by...Republicans?

by OtherLisa 2008-03-24 10:18PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Damn right. Democrats favor Hillary.

by Fleaflicker 2008-03-24 07:59PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMS Want?

Well, I know for certain that I am a Democrat and I want Hillary for our candidate.  Thank you for this excellent diary.  I think Democrats should choose the candidate.  If a Republican or Independent wants to vote in our primary, I believe they should register as a Democrat and they should have been registered for 30 days prior to the primary.  I am really tired of crooked elections and I am not at all comfortable with what happened in the caucuses this year.

by macmcd 2008-03-24 08:33PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Obama is running a GOP register dem in Penn.

He will do ANYTHING to win even sell out to the GOP

So far his team has called

Joe Biden
Bill Clinton
Hillary Clinton
Geraldine Ferraro
Anyone who mentions his middle name
Anyone who televised the wright issue

A racist.

HE WILL DO ANYTHING...

by DTaylor 2008-03-24 08:43PM | 0 recs
so

are you voting Dem in November?

by kindthoughts 2008-03-24 09:30PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

You may indeed be correct.  It's hard to know for certain, but I have no problem with the premise of this claim.

Of course, I'm happy to argue that, since independents in the great American middle are likely to decide this election, the candidate who has done better with independents has an even better reason to fight on.

In truth, though, it's not the fighting on that I mind.  It's the negativity coming from BOTH sides, while McCain gets a free ride, with the minor exception of the day or two where his Sunni/Shia folly filled a few spare minutes.

by freedom78 2008-03-24 09:22PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Oh, do you seriously want to start talking about who thinks HE'S the second coming of christ?

by Gmo 2008-03-25 08:51PM | 0 recs
Re: So Who Do the DEMOCRATS Want for a Nominee?

Fabulous post!!

Of course, given how the party has "changed" so much, I officially re-registered to vote in California this evening.  After spending the greater part of my torture adulthood voting for losers, I proudly dropped my Democratic party affiliation.

I just realized: why am I fighting upstream against a party that's jumping up and down about "the math" in selecting a garbage candidate, and disenfranchising the votes of two important swing states for the sake of "unity"?  No more.  

Hey Dems! -- enjoy Obama.  I'll be voting for Hillary when she comes to her senses and runs as an independent, and puts the world's most ungrateful and disloyal party to shame --  Bill Richardson: you ain't seen nothin' yet, you flowering Judas.

Ohhh,  I can't WAIT 'til she cleans both Obama's AND McCain's clocks in November.  I'll be sopping it up with a biscuit.  

by Gmo 2008-03-25 08:37PM | 0 recs

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