Hillary's Campaign Comes Out Swinging

by campskunk, Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 08:03:08 AM EDT

In today's conference call, Phil Singer wasn't shy about telling reporters how things are changing in the race.  The email announcing the call, entitled "Obama Campaign: Just Words", made the following arguments:


At this point, it's no secret that the Obama campaign is in political hot water given the news stories of the last few weeks and is desperate to change the subject.

The ground is shifting away from them. And their response?

First, disenfranchise voters - Prevent new votes in Florida and Michigan .  Stop voting in Pennsylvania, North Carolina, Oregon  West Virginia, Puerto Rico, Kentucky, South Dakota, Montana, West Virginia and Indiana.

Second, peddle photos of President Clinton shaking hands with Reverend Wright less than 48 hours after calling for a high-minded conversation on race. Well, President Clinton took tens of thousands of photos during his eight years as president. Stop the presses.

Third, accuse our campaign of having something to do with Senator Obama's passport file being breached, a reckless charge that has zero merit.


Fourth, continue attacks on Senator Clinton's character in an effort to implement what the Chicago Tribune called a full assault on her ethics.

Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns, no state records, no answers about the inconsistencies in the Rezko story.

Singer continues with a summary of the state of the race now - it's all just words from Camp Obama.


So it's not a pretty sight - it's all part of a pattern of just words.

Senator Obama talks about voter participation while actively disenfranchising millions.

He calls for high minded debates while practicing lowdown politics.

He promises a different kind of campaign while attacking Hillary's character.

He promises transparency while hiding basic info and stonewalling the press.

It's no wonder that Americans are coming to see that for all of his lofty rhetoric, Senator Obama's candidacy is really just words.  

It's no surprise that Americans are expressing serious doubts about his ability to answer the 3am call.

It's no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it's amateur hour in Chicago.

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Re: Hillary's Campaign Comes Out Swinging

All those beautiful Obama words, they just sound so Wright...

by DemAC 2008-03-21 08:08AM | 0 recs
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It's too bad

that he has to deal with his pastor, but Hillary isn't making this a case against him, as usual she's making a case for herself, and it was starting to work before the Wright CD's came out.  I don't like him running on negativity but I guess that's what he thinks he needs to do, now that he has to deal with his own pastor he has to tarnish her 'character' even more. Saying she'd do anything to be elected should have been his lowest, but apparently not. How about his supporters ask him to knock it off, quit running against her, quit stoking Hillary hate, and start running for himself, what he has to offer not why she's so bad he's the least objectionable.  It's a weird way to run a primary, we're Democrats, and he ought not be making her 'life' and 'character' his man focus.  

by anna shane 2008-03-21 08:20AM | 0 recs
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Shame on you anna shane.  How can post on MyDD and ask for Obama and his supporters to quit stoking hate without seeing what's right in front of you.

Clinton's kitchen sink strategy had nothing to do with touting her own accomplishments.  It was all attack, all the time.  You should know better.

by haystax calhoun 2008-03-21 10:21AM | 0 recs
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I think for the benefit of the Democratic Party, Obama should now drop out of the race. He is radio active and is doing nothing but dragging us through his own dirty laundry.

by aroundtheblock 2008-03-21 11:03AM | 0 recs
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You're so silly.

The HRC propaganda is lame.  You hardcore HRC types get going with this bluster and I think it's funny.

This diary refers to unspecified "top reporters."  Would that include the NYT:

The documents offer no support for her claims, made during the presidential campaign, that she helped to negotiate the Irish peace accords or facilitated the flow of refugees in the Balkans. Neither is there evidence in them to back up her claim that she helped pass the Family and Medical Leave Act, the first legislation Mr. Clinton signed as president. The legislation, sponsored by Senator Christopher J. Dodd, Democrat of Connecticut, sailed through Congress and landed on Mr. Clinton's desk 10 days after he was inaugurated. Indeed, on the day Mr. Clinton signed the bill into law, Feb. 5, 1993, there is no indication on that day's calendar that she attended.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/us/pol itics/19cnd-archives.html?pagewanted=1&a mp;_r=3&hp

Or, this from the NYT:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/pol itics/10clinton.html?_r=1&hp&ore f=login

And, Tapper (who is usually attacking BHO) says the HRC camp's propaganda is NOT TRUE.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/ 2008/03/hillary-clint-1.html

by 1jpb 2008-03-21 11:36AM | 0 recs
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I learned a long time ago that what one is accusing another of doing is actually what is being done to the other.  Obama and his followers have been accusing Hillary of the "kitchen sink" strategy while doing it to her themselves.  Neither Hillary nor her supporters have attacked this guy while he has accused others of everything beginning with racism on down.  Shame on you all.  But I have often said that Karma is the most exact punishment and it seems that Mr. Obama's Karma is beginning to leak on him.

by macmcd 2008-03-21 12:55PM | 0 recs
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"Neither Hillary nor her supporters...

have attacked this guy."

Attacking him, claiming plagarism:
"Lifting whole passages from someone else's speeches is not change you can believe in. It's change you can Xerox."  
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hillary_Cli nton

Attacking him, claiming insufficent experience (bonus praising of McCain)
"Sen. McCain will bring a lifetime of experience to the campaign; I will bring a lifetime of experience; and Sen. Obama will bring a speech that he gave in 2002,"

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/ story?id=4404060 (note: the next line in the story is a Republican gleefully promising that this quote will make its way into a McCain commercial)

Attacking him, claiming dishonesty:
"I don't think people should come to Ohio and tell the people of Ohio one thing and then have your campaign tell a foreign government something else behind closed doors."

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo rld/us_and_americas/us_elections/article 3478693.ece (also, the article has her "he's not a Muslim, as far as I know" quote)

I can go on and on.  And that's just her, that's not even broadening it to her campaign (including Bill Shaheen and Gerry Ferraro) or supporters like SusanHu, whose diaries indicate that Sen. Obama is a cross between Jimmy Hoffa and George W. Bush.

Also, his karma is leaking on him?  I was unaware karma even needed to use a bathroom.  

by bosdcla14 2008-03-21 02:19PM | 0 recs
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The infamous "Kitchen Sink" strategy

was coined and executed by the Clinton campaign just before the OH, TX, RI, VT primaries.  Pay attention.

by haystax calhoun 2008-03-21 04:28PM | 0 recs
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I think you meant to say, "Hillary's Campaign Goes Down Swinging."  "Down goes Clinton!  Down goes Clinton!"

by PittsburghPete 2008-03-21 10:53AM | 0 recs
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The Democratic

Circular firing squad is now forming.

It appears the Clinton campaign is trying to hasten the its completion.

by fladem 2008-03-21 11:04AM | 0 recs
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Will Obama be indicted for Voter Fraud?

During the past year, Obama has encouraged Repubs and Indys to "be a Democrat for a day"  - and vote for HIM!  Obama followers have distributed "Dem for a day" fliers all over the country - preparing for the primaries and caucuses.

And Kos encouraged Dems to vote for Romney in Michigan.

Will Rush Limbaugh Be Indicted for Voter Fraud?

By Steven Rosenfeld, AlterNet
March 21, 2008
http://www.alternet.org/story/80392

>>>While this all makes for great talk radio and sounds like fun, there is one catch: What Limbaugh encouraged Republican voters to do in Ohio was a fifth-degree felony in that state, punishable with a $2,500 fine and six to 12 months in jail. That is because in order to change party affiliation in Ohio, voters have to fill out a form swearing allegiance to that party's principles "under penalty of election falsification."

On Thursday, March 20, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that the "Cuyahoga County Board of Election has launched an investigation that could lead to criminal charges against voters who maliciously switched parties for the March 4 presidential primary." According to the report, "One voter scribbled the following addendum to his pledge as a new Democrat: "For one day only."

by annefrank 2008-03-21 11:45AM | 0 recs
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That sounds awfully unconstitutional to me.

by Steve M 2008-03-21 11:53AM | 0 recs
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Poppycock.

There's no there there.  Any talk or suggestion of "voter fraud" is posturing and meaningless.  For starters, who's to say that doing everything one can to help one's party as one sees fit is not "allegiance to that party's principles"?  

What Rush suggested is no more illegal than what some Dems did in MI to help keep Romney in the race.  In fact, I'd say that doing the most one can to make one's vote count to help the party as a whole vs a single candidate is the very personification of allegiance to that party's principles.

Nobody is going to be prosecuted for this.  It's a basic First Amendment issue.  They'd be laughed out of court.

by rb608 2008-03-21 11:58AM | 0 recs
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It has come to this

On a Democratic Blog, we are now comparing Obama to Rush Limbaugh.

by fladem 2008-03-21 03:19PM | 0 recs
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I find it disgusting that you would link to a blog that is so clearly a giant anti-Obama hit piece.

by JDF 2008-03-21 11:54AM | 0 recs
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The polls suggest that Democrats are paying attention.  One hopes the Super Delegates are doing so, too.

by Beltway Dem 2008-03-21 08:08AM | 0 recs
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You wrote 'hope.'  Does that mean I can call you a KoolAid, messiah, BHO Hater Syndrome (or whatever you guys call it) cult member?

by 1jpb 2008-03-21 11:39AM | 0 recs
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Isn't Obama dependent on superdelegates now?

by annefrank 2008-03-21 11:46AM | 0 recs
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No, that would be Hillary, b/c Obama will have the popular vote and pledged delegate leads.

by nklein 2008-03-21 05:50PM | 0 recs
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The problem with Obama's "kitchen sink" strategy (weren't they just complaining about this?) is that it flies in the face of their "unity" campaign.

Clinton is the "fighter" and, well, people expect it.  

But Obama?

by mjc888 2008-03-21 08:09AM | 0 recs
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The Chicago Tribune's headline was:

Obama prepares for full assault on Clinton

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/polit ics/chi-obama_mar16,1,2550286.story

The vetting process is revealing the tactics he's used in previous campaigns.

by KnowVox 2008-03-21 08:52AM | 0 recs
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Did you read that story?

Could you identify the parts of the story are supposedly detrimental to BHO?  Are you just hoping nobody reads the link?

by 1jpb 2008-03-21 11:47AM | 0 recs
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Passive Aggressive Nutcase

Being the person that throws the first punch thens cries victim. You can decide which is which.

by bernardpliers 2008-03-21 09:58AM | 0 recs
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News just broke that Clinton's passport file was breached as well.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-21 08:10AM | 0 recs
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Well, that issue is now nullified.  

Next story.

by mjc888 2008-03-21 08:11AM | 0 recs
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For now at least. Hopefully Team Obama will stop the misinformation campaign and stop blaming Hillary for everything.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-21 08:31AM | 0 recs
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That's all he's got.  No record of his osn to run on so he goes on the attack amd makes sure her supporters votes don't count.

Underhanded.  Cowardly.  Two-faced.  Take your pick folks it all appkies when it comes to BO's talk of change and hope.

Frankly - if that's all he's sellin', I'm not buyin'.  I work for a living and just can't afford it.

by alegre 2008-03-21 08:43AM | 0 recs
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Alegre, you usually do better than that.  No need for personal attacks on Obama.  Namecalling does not help anyone.

I still believe Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton both are good people.

As John Edwards said last night, "we have two good candidates."

The increasing diviseness of the Obama v. Clinton campaign is only helping McCain. I think both Obama and Clinton are responsible.  

It appears we will see months more of this.  That is unfortunate.  I'm not taking sides or saying any candidate should drop out.  

by TomP 2008-03-21 09:09AM | 0 recs
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Well put Tom.

by UrbanRedneck 2008-03-21 09:31AM | 0 recs
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"No need for personal attacks on Obama. "

Obama himself is making personal attacks on Hillary, particularly on her trustworthiness. All bets are off.

by 07rescue 2008-03-21 09:44AM | 0 recs
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That is exactly what some Obama folks say on Daily Kos when they personally attack Hillary Clinton.

It ensures that the Democrats will lose.  Fight hard, but don't personalize.

by TomP 2008-03-21 09:56AM | 0 recs
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Let Obama himself stop, or all bets are off. Simple.

by 07rescue 2008-03-21 10:05AM | 0 recs
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Could you provide links that support your assertion BHO has personally insulted HRC?

And, I want to be clear, you believe that it is appropriate and deserved to call BHO:

"Underhanded.  Cowardly.  Two-faced.  Take your pick folks it all appkies when it comes to BO's talk of change and hope."

Also for the record, BHO is a more experienced and accomplished legislator than is HRC.  BHO in IL: tax rebates, health care reform, health clinics, ethics reform, and justice system reform where he started with no support, powerful lobbies in opposition, and a promised veto from the governor.    In DC biggest ethics reform in 25 years, international arms control, and government accountability that requires spending to be available to citizens over the internet.

He was also a community organizer, president of the Harvard Law Review (HRC failed the bar in DC), a civil rights attorney, and a constitutional law teacher for ten years.  Ever since being in politics he's had the same motivation.  In a 1995 profile in The Chicago Reader, he said, "What if a politician were to see his job as an organizer, as part teacher and part advocate, one who does not sell voters short but who educates them about the real choices before them?"  In contrast to this, HRC thinks she found her voice after losing in Iowa.  No doubt HRC is a hard worker, but she doesn't have the temperament and demonstrated results to be at the top of our government.  She is a valuable contributer to our country, just not at the top spot.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/10/us/pol itics/10clinton.html?_r=1&hp&ore f=login

by 1jpb 2008-03-21 11:59AM | 0 recs
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"Also for the record, BHO is a more experienced and accomplished legislator than is HRC."

Nonsense, Obama ripped off legislation that was created by many other Illinois State Senators during the 7 years they were in the minority, and only with the arm twisting of the State Senate newly minted majority leader, who Obama asked to be his kingmaker, was Obama given the lead sponsorship of those bills which had been sidelined. Very little of any consequence was his in that mix, and the strong arming to steal the accomplishments of others to give Obama a record to run on excited the lasting resentment of the other legislators who had earned that credit.

Yes, I do think it is fair to call him "Underhanded.  Cowardly.  Two-faced.  Take your pick folks it all applies when it comes to BO's talk of change and hope." I agree with that assessment, and more.

BHO's campaign has done the dirty work of insulting Hillary Clinton's character and the candidate is responsible for his campaign's actions.

No, I do not ever bother to find links for Obama supporters because after wasting my valuable time doing other people's research for them the facts never change their arguments one iota. People are responsible for their own opinions, and have to live with the results of them. People will get the government they deserve. Do your own research and stop asking me to do your work for you, and live with the results of your mistakes.

by 07rescue 2008-03-21 04:44PM | 0 recs
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Even if the State Senate Majority leader had "given [Obama] the lead sponsorship of those bills which had been sidelined," does he not get any credit for passing seemingly dead bills?  Is it not the mark of a good legislator to build coalitions to pass something that would have otherwise have gone by the wayside?

"BHO's campaign has done the dirty work of insulting Hillary Clinton's character and the candidate is responsible for his campaign's actions." What?!?  Did you not live through the 90's?!? During Clinton's administration every other day there was some malicious accusation (often completely b.s.) thrown at Hillary. That's why see went into this race with the highest negative of any candidate EVER.

And did Obama even touch Whitewater, Vince Foster, Travelgate, Monica or even the more recent Marc Rich & the pardons?  NO.  Not once.  So where the fuck is your umbrage coming from?  

by nklein 2008-03-21 06:06PM | 0 recs
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Stealing other people's bills and taking credit for them as soon as your party regains the majority is the sign of a good legislator? On what planet? It is deceptive and party-destroying gameplaying that completely misrepresents his accomplishments. Stealing is not the same thing as earning, by a long shot. And those bills were only "dead" while Democrats were in the minority and couldn't push them through.

BO's campaign has strategically gone after the red states that Democrats will never win, where her negatives from the 90's right wing smear campaign against her was most potent, and he capitalized on the savaging she received there. Then there was the Racism campaign, when he and his minions played the nuclear racism card against the Clinton campaign, the worst character assassination a Democratic politician can have leveled at them. He didn't care that he was stabbing lifelong dvocates for the civil rights of all, with baseless, twisted, and deceitful mischaracterizations of their words, taken completely out of context.

Now Obama is going to superdelegates arguing that Hillary is regarded as untrustworthy, once again exploiting  the right wing smear campaign that was responsible for those impressions in the voters minds.

Someone else proffered that John Edwards said at a debate that "If you are voting for me because Barack is a black man, or Hillary is a women, I don't want your vote." All along Barack Obama wants those right wing smear campaign motivated votes, encouraging every one of them, and that's disgusting.

Then there are all the threats of violence at the convention if he doesn't win, and threats made to super delegates if the don't vote for him. There is no end to the slimy, undemocratic Chicago arm twisting politics BO has let loose on this primary.

There are plenty more underhanded and unmentionable tactics going on, I am sure they will come out over time. BO is as dirty a politician as they come. That's why I want to vomit when he goes out and talks about "hope" and "change" with a straight face.

Ugh.

by 07rescue 2008-03-22 12:43AM | 0 recs
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You have a really warped view of things.  Either you have some real bitterness that you have to deal with or Obama hurt you in another life.  This anger against him is fascinating if only for level of vehemence without any reason.

Apparently, in your opinion passing bills is a bad thing, especially when the Democrats are in the minority.  So all the bills he passed in the minority were not stealing, but when he passed the bills in the majority it was stealing.  So ethics reform and death penalty reform was not stolen, but his health care bill was stolen.  It's funny also that you say that those bills were stolen, b/c I have yet to hear from an Illinois legislator claiming how underhanded Obama was for stealing their bills.  In fact, those legislators are supporting him.  But they must have been duped or drugged by Obama. /snark

Also, you're accusing Obama of using right wing smears.  When has Obama or his campaign call for an investigation of the Marc Rich pardon?  When Clinton was trying to call Obama out on Rezko, did Obama bring up Johnny Chung or Norman Hsu or any of the several other questionable donors of the Clintons?  If Obama is such a "dirty" politician, who is lunges at the prospect of using right-wing memes, why haven't I heard about Whitewater, Vince Foster and Travelgate throughout this campaign?

For such a "dirty" politician, why is it that Obama is winning the praise of the Chicago Sun-Times and Chicago Tribune for his transparency?  Why is it that he has released every scrap of paper that still exists relating to his public life?  Why did this dirty politician provide intimate details of his life in a book that could and have been used to attack him in this campaign?

Maybe it's that he's not a dirty politician.  Perhaps (and this is just me thinking out loud here) he didn't use the above right-wing smears b/c he wants to campaign on the issues.

For somebody who complains about right-wing smears, I have yet to see you object to any diarist who has used Fox News, Sean Hannity, Mark Halperin or any of the other wingnuts as sources here at Mydd.

by nklein 2008-03-22 02:58AM | 0 recs
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Didn't you organize a walkout on Dkos because of unfair and unfactual attacks on YOUR nominee? Do you really buy into all the crap you're spewing?

by TheSilverMonkey 2008-03-21 10:02AM | 0 recs
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"Underhanded.  Cowardly.  Two-faced."

I don't begrudge you your support for Clinton, but you realize that these adjectives apply equally well to some of the tactics Clinton has employed.

Underhanded = Saying that Obama threatened to "nuke Pakistan", when what he really said was quite different (and apparently effective), or saying that he agreed with Reagan's policies, knowing full well that it wasn't true.

Cowardly = Qualifying her answer that Obama isn't a Mulsim, as far as she knows, or using the fear of 3 AM phone calls to scare up votes.

Two-Faced =  Saying she never supported NAFTA, when her own words and actions prove the opposite. (We get it, Hillary, you changed your mind. It's OK to say so.) Or saying that Obama doesn't have the credentials to be President while hinting at a joint-ticket.

by jdusek 2008-03-21 12:35PM | 0 recs
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Hillary's file wasn't breached

Apparently, a trainee typed in the name, but never brought up the file.

by Travis Stark 2008-03-21 10:06AM | 0 recs
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Apparently, a trainee typed in the name, but never brought up the file.

Oh, yeah...and Bill didn't inhale.

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 11:15AM | 0 recs
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Actually I can see this easily. From what I heard last night there's an intermediate step where a big notice comes up that says what you are about to do might violate the law.

by Travis Stark 2008-03-21 11:43AM | 0 recs
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There has been no investigation.  These breaches should have been sent up the chain so that they could be investigated by an impartial party.  We know that didn't happen.  We should wait for more information.

But, it is reasonable to assume that people wouldn't be fired if they didn't go past the warning you mentioned.

by 1jpb 2008-03-21 12:04PM | 0 recs
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I may not be up to date, is the Obama camp actually accusing the Clinton camp of having something to do with the passport breach? If so than I hope they hold the medias feet to the fire on this one for some accountability in smear charges.

by Christopher Lib 2008-03-21 08:12AM | 0 recs
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I would like to know this as well.

by Steve M 2008-03-21 08:51AM | 0 recs
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No, they aren't. People on DailyKos are and even folks there are getting laughed at for making that claim.

Conflation of "the media", some supporters, and the actual Obama campaign apparently continues unabated in Hillary's inner circle as well as on sites like this.

by amiches 2008-03-21 09:10AM | 0 recs
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Oh, well if the consensus on Daily Kos is that it didn't happen, that certainly clinches it.

by Steve M 2008-03-21 11:55AM | 0 recs
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Steve, I'd love to see whatever evidence you have that the Obama campaign is pushing the "Hillary looked at passport records" story. Thanks in advance.

by amiches 2008-03-21 12:00PM | 0 recs
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As we all seem to forget, politics is "hardball".  No other way to describe it!

by mcctx 2008-03-21 08:14AM | 0 recs
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Well, give us credit...  we all forget that we are supposedly on the same side (Democrats) as well...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-21 09:53AM | 0 recs
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So, the Clintons are mad that Obama is fighting back.  All hail the Clintons!  How dare anyone fight back on the Clintons.

by Spanky 2008-03-21 08:16AM | 0 recs
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at least we fight back with facts and not with smears and lies like your precious leader and his followers like you. Why don't you take your sorry self back to DailyKos at least that is safe echo chamber where you can peddle your lies unchallenged.

by tarheel74 2008-03-21 08:20AM | 0 recs
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Now that is just FUNNY

I used to have to take heavy drugs to get such a distorted view of Reality. Now a trip into a MyDD diary is all the escape I need.

Obama '08.

by Pissoff 2008-03-21 08:42AM | 0 recs
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the HRC campaign doesn't lie....?  

Wow, how about the fact that they just put out a memo saying that Obama linked the Clinton campaign to the passport leak...  Honestly, I heard David Axelrod this morning and the talking heads tried to bait him into saying this and he didn't.  It is spin people...  that means a lie for political gain...  

I suddenly wish I had swampland...  I could probably sell it here for a really good price....

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-21 09:44AM | 0 recs
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There have been many smears and lies on both sides.

What do you call the CiC Threshold? Because I call it both a smear and a lie.

What do you call celestial choirs and cults? I call them smears?

What do you call Change You Can Xerox? Smear and lie.

What do you call NAFTAgate? Lie (though at least with that one the Clinton campaign may have not known it was a lie)

Rezko? Smear

No experience? Smear and lie.

McCain meets some mythical CiC Threshold; Obama doesn't? Smear, lie, and hurtful to the party.

Yes, Clinton's campaign does attack on the facts. They also use smears and lies. Obama's? Hard to find a knowing lie, and smear is partly in the eye of the beholder. If it's true, is it a smear? Or just an unpleasant truth?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 03:00PM | 0 recs
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Oh, and add to this:

Obama's campaign wants to disenfranchise voters, and it accused the Clinton campaign of violating the passport file,  Smears and lies.

Stonewall the press: there's a special place for such a blatant smear and lie. Let's see: Obama's been praised as a model of honesty and transparancy on Rezko, he (unlike Clinton) has released his tax returns, and the "State senate papers" don't exist, nor would they for any State Senator in Illinois or most states -- and the Clinton campaign well knows that.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 03:03PM | 0 recs
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Such a scary bully you are!!!

by zep93 2008-03-21 05:29PM | 0 recs
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All I will say is that more Obama keeps doing this, the more he losses white voters for the GE.

He already is bound to lose in November.

At this point, they are just trying to seal the nomination. This will amount to no more than an historic 1st black american nominee.

But come GE, we are talking about big losses even in Blue states like NJ,PA,MI

by libdemusa 2008-03-21 08:18AM | 0 recs
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well it shows once again that Obama is a hypocrite who will play the race-card as and when it suits him. He says he identifies himself as a black Americans then he says that he biracial. He went to elite prep schools and so do his children. He does not know what poverty is. For him his entire candidacy is built on a carefully designed shell which is completely hollow.

by tarheel74 2008-03-21 08:19AM | 0 recs
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What is it with the troll-ratings of Clinton supporters?

Geez, this is why I left the big orange.  Should've known the stalkers would follow.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 11:30AM | 0 recs
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You folks keep repeating what you know is untrue. Obama went to that school on scholarship.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-21 03:30PM | 0 recs
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Sorry, but is there any evidence that Obama's camp blamed Hillary for the passport thing?

I think not.  I think it's bullshit that they made up that lie.  And I think you ought to either find a link or admit that it's not true.

Also, did Obama's camp peddle the photos of Clinton and Wright?  Once again, I'd like to see a link.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-21 08:20AM | 0 recs
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ask and yee shall receive...

A photograph of former President Bill Clinton and Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. has appeared, courtesy of Barack Obama's campaign, as part of an effort to try to shift some of the attention in a controversy that has embroiled the Illinois Democrat for a week.

Bill Clinton, Rev. Jeremiah Wright Jr. photo appears

Pretty stupid, huh?

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-21 08:25AM | 0 recs
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Re: ask and yee shall receive...

I think you just showed him how disingenuous he was being. Bravo!!

by tarheel74 2008-03-21 08:28AM | 0 recs
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Re: ask and yee shall receive...

On the purported allegation of a connection between Clinton and Obama's passport record, I have not found it yet, but here is some NRO speculation. Maybe it has something to do with this opinion piece:

Somebody Was Snooping in Obama's Passport File?

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-21 08:37AM | 0 recs
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Re: ask and yee shall receive...

NRO, like, the New Republic?  The most Conservative site on the web?

What does that have to do with the Obama campaign?

I agree about the photo thing - hadn't seen the link earlier to the NYT piece - but this other accusation seems baseless and petty to me.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-21 08:39AM | 0 recs
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Re: ask and yee shall receive...

I'm not saying it does. Just searching. Thought this might be part of the trail...

Looks like there was some suspicion voiced how Clinton could make some statements about Obama's travel. Perhaps someone in the Obama camp made some accusations based on these suspicions. Again, I don't know, and have not found anything. I suspect that if the Clinton folks make that accusation they'd have something to back it up, but I haven't found it.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-21 08:56AM | 0 recs
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Thanks.  Yes, I agree that this was a stupid thing for his campaign to have done.

by Cycloptichorn 2008-03-21 08:38AM | 0 recs
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My take on it was that Bill was happy to use the black community, particularly black preachers to help him out at that prayer breakfast where he was confessing "I have sinned" re: Monica and this picture reminds black people of that.

by politicsmatters 2008-03-21 03:27PM | 0 recs
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no a private photo popped out just like that. And Huffington Post that shills for Obama just happened to make the connection between Clinton and Obama's passport leak. You are being disingenuous and intellectually dishonest. Your friends have peddled this crap without even the least hesitation and there were no "links". Yet you want link.

by tarheel74 2008-03-21 08:26AM | 0 recs
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They were making this accusation on Countdown yesterday. Full-on frothing.

by OtherLisa 2008-03-21 10:25AM | 0 recs
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Geez, you're still watching KO?  I gave that up at the same time I gave up smoking and big orange.  Bad habits all.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 11:34AM | 0 recs
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Nooo, I got that second hand - from a reliable source - my mom, who used to be a big KO fan but who thinks he's pretty much gone over the top and into the great beyond.

by OtherLisa 2008-03-21 12:39PM | 0 recs
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The Obama campaign is spreading this garbage...

Obama media agent Jamal Simmons just repeated the suspicion that Clinton was behind Passportgate twenty minutes ago on CNN.

Paraphrasing, he said that this situation had to be investigated. Who are the contractors involved and who is on their employee's donor lists? He pointed out that there was likely political motive and it was very suspicious that John McCains files may also have been breached.

The clear implication was that he suspected the Clinton campaign was behind it. Folks Jamal Simmons does not say anything on TV that is not approved by Axelrod.

Here's more background on how this all might have started: Someone Owes Sen. Clinton An Apology

The important thing to note is that Obama surrogates are still spreading these lies.

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-21 12:05PM | 0 recs
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SO SICK

of Obama's campaign blaming Hillary for everything:

Novak Story
Drudge report Picture
Naftagate
Passport breach

Its fucknig ridiculous!

by sepulvedaj3 2008-03-21 08:40AM | 0 recs
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WaPo - Hillary Vs. Sinbad in Bosnia

Sinbad 1, Hillary 0

http://www.dailykos.com/comments/2008/3/ 21/82344/2146/248?mode=alone;showrate=1# c248

by bernardpliers 2008-03-21 10:19AM | 0 recs
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And so does Joe Wilson

Joe Wilson, distinguished diplomat (and Valeria Plame's hubby) has hit Obama pretty hard: Obama's Shallow Credentials on National Security Are Dangerous for the Country.

by grlpatriot 2008-03-21 08:40AM | 0 recs
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Re: And so does Joe Wilson

That is worth a diary...

by MediaFreeze 2008-03-21 10:05AM | 0 recs
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He's become unelectable. The Democratic party is marching off a cliff.

by owl06 2008-03-21 08:40AM | 0 recs
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Have you noticed HRC as no events today.

I bet Richardson gave the Clinton campaign the heads up and she decided to stay away from the press. After all, this endorsement is a HUGE blow to her confidence and the confidence of the Clinton campaign.

But Richardson, being the stateman and democrat that he is, WILL support HRC if she gets the nomination. That is class.

by Newcomer 2008-03-21 09:09AM | 0 recs
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Yeah, how come Obama's not in the pews?

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-21 12:21PM | 0 recs
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Because Good Friday is not a Muslim holiday!

by mefck 2008-03-21 01:01PM | 0 recs
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Funny!

Do people go to church on Good Friday?

by politicsmatters 2008-03-21 03:29PM | 0 recs
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Bill is still on the stump. Thank God.

by Newcomer 2008-03-21 07:36PM | 0 recs
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He's only unelectable if enough Dems
refuse to vote for him. If he is the nominee I, a Hillary supporter, will vote for him in the GE and I hope all Hillary supporters will do the same. There is too much at stake for the country-- and the world-- to do otherwise.
by Swedie 2008-03-21 09:32AM | 0 recs
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Re: He's only unelectable if enough Dems

You need to go back and study demographics some more.  You can't elect a president without votes from the independents and the other party.

I too, will vote for Obama if he is the nominee but I have no illusions about his electability, especially in light of the past few weeks.  

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 11:45AM | 0 recs
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Re: He's only unelectable if enough Dems

I think he would get enough votes from indies, the youth vote, Latinos and others to squeak by-- IF the Dems can pull themselves together to put the good of the country ahead of their personal piques and disappointments (as you clearly show you are able to do). And IF the Clintons and other respected mainstream Dems can get that blue-collar vote to change their allegiance to Obama.

November is a long way away, and Obama is just now getting a taste of what can be expected from the Republican side. It's going to be ugly and we are ALL going to have to help, if he gets the nod. If enough Republicans don't bother to vote (and we can advance that scenario by helping McCain continue to shoot himself in the foot) we still have a good shot at it.

But I think his whole message of unity will end up as just a dream, and we'll still be a split country, just as we are now. The idea that Hillary is unelectable because she's too polarizing has always been nothing but a right wing meme picked up and distributed by Obamaphiles and other lefties who haven't done their homework. Wait'll they get a load of the GE with Obama as a candidate if they want to see polarization! Getting any real changes made will depend on picking up enough House and Senate seats to prevail.

Hillary is still the best choice by far, IMO, but it isn't looking good for her right now. It's going to be interesting...

by Swedie 2008-03-21 12:42PM | 0 recs
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You do realize that Obama runs far better among independents and Republicans who don't also say they're voting for McCain in the GE than does Clinton, right?

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 04:00PM | 0 recs
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Why was that troll-rated?

by rfahey22 2008-03-21 02:02PM | 0 recs
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That's what I wondered, too. Gee, only a couple of days on MyDD and I've already been troll rated. lol

by Swedie 2008-03-21 03:13PM | 0 recs
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ROTFLMAOASTC!  Barack Dukakis!

Will rec this as soon as I can quit laughing and hold the mouse still.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 11:37AM | 0 recs
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Thanks for this excellent diary! Obama has been shown up to be what he really is: a hypocrite with poor judgement. The damage is permanent. His bubble has popped.

Richardson endorsing Obama. Big deal. Unusual for a rat to jump aboard a sinking ship but there's nothing normal about the Obama campaign.

by Nobama 2008-03-21 08:52AM | 0 recs
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You make me sick. You do realize that we are on the same side. Richardson, a rat? What the hell is wrong with you? Your bitterness is telling and revolting.

by AHunch 2008-03-21 09:03AM | 0 recs
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you said it before I could....

So now Richardson is a rat to you...??

We are becoming what we have beheld.

This needs to end soon.

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-21 09:48AM | 0 recs
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The New Smaller Fuel Efficient Democratic Party!

So by the time Hillary makes the party half as large, will it get better gas  mileage?

by bernardpliers 2008-03-21 10:03AM | 0 recs
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I wonder what you would have said if he endorsed Clinton. Actually, no I dont.

Richardson was clearly a loyal Clinton supporter, and will be if HRC gets the nomination.

How many US Govs. is that for Obama? I lost track.

by Newcomer 2008-03-21 09:07AM | 0 recs
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15 Governors(BHO) to 11 Governor(HRC)

by indus 2008-03-21 12:06PM | 0 recs
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Uncalled-for, Nobama.  I was a Richardson supporter.  I am now a (weak) Clinton supporter.  I do not consider Richardson a "rat" for endorsing Obama.

C'mon...you're doing exactly what the Obama supporters are condemned for.  Do not sink to that level.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 11:49AM | 0 recs
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by KnowVox 2008-03-21 08:53AM | 0 recs
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Does anyone else notice that when the Clinton campaign "comes out swinging" there is not a single positive aspect of Clinton herself, just tearing down of the opponent. Thats telling.

Secondly, disenfranchising voters? Please. Laying the blame for this fiasco at the feet of Obama is disingenuous at best. If Obama is disenfrnachising now what was Clinton doing last September when she said the MI votes weren't going to be count.

The picture of Rev. Wright isn't meant to impugn the CLintons, its meant to show that Wright is not some fringe character who can so easily be characterized as a lunatic. And how could the picture be so damaging to the Clintons if their opponent refuses to distance himslef from the pastor.

Who in the Obama campaign accused the Clinton campaign of dirty tactics with the passport? Commenters at liberal blogs notwithstanding.

Finally, only in Wonderland could the CLinton camp claim that a candidate who spent more than 3 hours answering every single question on the Rezko scandal, to two different editorial boards, could be considered to be stonewalling the press. And calling him out on tax returns? Seriously? I beleive the word is chutzpah.

If the Clinton campaign is content on tearing down Obama to clear the way for their own nomination, they should question just exactly what it is that Hillary brings to the table.

by AHunch 2008-03-21 09:01AM | 0 recs
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gee... you're right..

Why even have elections anymore..  let's just poll in March instead...

by JenKinFLA 2008-03-21 09:49AM | 0 recs
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Like all the states that have been declared irrelevant, small, minor, to "not matter", and so forth, by Penn and the Clinton campaign?

Wonder if those states are going to want to vote for Clinton again?

Didn't think so either.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 04:03PM | 0 recs
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And Obama will win PA, OH, MA, and MN (you do know Obama leads McCain in MN, and Clinton is tied, right?). So you've got AR left. Against that, Obama has a solid chance of carrying TX, will carry CO, and runs well in most of the west.

You do know Obama does better again Clinton in FL, right? And CA? And PA? And NY? And NH? And CT? And NV, and OR?

Clinton does notably better against McCain than Obama in three battleground states: NJ, WA, and MA; in MA both are still winning and the gap is extremely closable in NJ and WA. Obama does better than Clinton against McCain in all the rest. For instance, McCain wins WI, OR, NM, NV, MN, IA, and CO vs. Clinton. Obama wins all of these except for NM and CO, where he ties.

Ask Rasmussen.

You're right, Clinton brings 270 EV. Obama brings about 300-350 depending on tossup races.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 03:46PM | 0 recs
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I would expect Hillary team to be more assertive with these line of arguments. I think they are trying play nice to win SD. C'mon Hillary team, this is worth fighting for!

I started feeling negative towards BO compaign. They seem to be in desperate situation.

by dtysaint 2008-03-21 09:02AM | 0 recs
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Fifth, stonewall the press: no tax returns

Its a simple thing....2006 tax returns....Obama released his ages ago. HRC has not.

HRC, Rendell, Strickland ALL made a huge fuss about this in their respective campaigns. Wolfson apparently stalked HRC's opponent and even sent some dude dressed up as Uncle Sam to his rallies (that is, actually, pretty funny...).

Regardless, you must admit that this spinning is the most ridiculous, Wolfson-esque, disingenuous, HYPOCRITICAL statement that has ever been made.

by Newcomer 2008-03-21 09:05AM | 0 recs
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Wow...now you attack McCaskill. Pity, really.

by Newcomer 2008-03-21 09:06AM | 0 recs
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Hillary Lied About February Fundraising

Hillary lied about her February fundraising totals. She said she collected 35 million but in reality she collected about 20 million.
"Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) was second in fundraising. She collected $34.6 million in February, pushing her total to $173.8 million. That includes $10 million from her Senate campaign account and a $5-million personal loan. Clinton owes consultants and other vendors an additional $3.7 million."

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition /asection/la-na-money21mar21,1,6702245.s tory

by chatters71 2008-03-21 09:29AM | 0 recs
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How Does She "Loan" Her Campaign $5 M ?

She was broke in 2000, and she's a government employee.

She owes favors to a lot of people, and it isn't us!

by bernardpliers 2008-03-21 10:51AM | 0 recs
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Richardson flubbed this like he flubbed his campaign with all his verbal gaffes. Had he endorsed when it mattered (a week before Texas), this race probably would have been over. Nobody in Indiana, Penn or WV is waiting on this.

by New York Democrat 2008-03-21 09:32AM | 0 recs
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That means a lot

coming from a campaign of pathological liars.

Will she tell voters the truth about her advocacy for NAFTA during her husband's Presidency, or continue to lie about it?

Will she tell voters the truth about her rolein FMLA, which is not mentioned once in the 11,000 pages of her schedule that were just released?

Will she acknowledge that her campaign has been trying to spook Superdelegates by pushing the Wright story?

Why has she changed her tune on Michigan and Florida?  Last Fall, she stood with her Democratic colleagues running for President.  Now, she wants the rules changed because it will benefit her.

Sen. Clinton has lost this nomination fight.  It's time for her to concede and help bring the party back together.

by jaywillie 2008-03-21 09:36AM | 0 recs
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Re: That means a lot

Will you help bring the party together and stop posting the unfounded discredited endless loop of talking points that infuriates and marginalizes MORE THAN HALF of the actual democratic primary voters?

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-21 12:19PM | 0 recs
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Re: That means a lot

Nothing he said was unfounded or discredited. Aside from that, you have a point. Oh, and the point about MORE THAN HALF the actual democratic primary voters -- MORE THAN HALF the actual democratic primary voters probably aren't infuriated, and they're definitely not marginalized. But a bit under one half might be.

For starters, let's stop claiming that Obama lied during NAFTAgate (didn't), that he's blocking votes in MI and/or FL (not), that he's being secretive (hardly), that he accused Clinton over passportgate (nuh uh), that he's lying about Rezko (nope; "model of transparency and honesty", remember), that he's not qualified for CiC (ha!), that he has no record of accomplishment (it's quite considerable).

Now those are things that are unfounded and have been discredited. And they actually DO infuriates and marginalizes MORE THAN HALF of the actual democratic primary voters.

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 03:54PM | 0 recs
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thanks Assholerod

I mean Ken Starr, for giving us McCain.

by DiamondJay 2008-03-21 09:55AM | 0 recs
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Isn't it amazing.  Wow, 1-5 , if it weren't real life tragedy, it would almost even be unbelievable as a story script.

If people don't stop shielding and protecting these falsehoods, the Dem's lose any chance at winning in the GE.

Hillary, actions match words, experience, passion, honesty and go getter.

Can you believe some Obama followers actually tried to make it seem like a bad thing that Hillary started working on Universal Health Care for all Americans IMMEDIATELY, within 3 days of her husbands administration?  OH NO-STOP THE PRESS.  A woman who keeps her commitment and promises and actually goes to work on behalf of America immediately.  NO, NO, we should have someone who constantly gives empty words, then his handlers leak out that this is all just campaign rhetoric, not reality and then sit around smiling and congratulating yourself for a year before holding even one meeting.  Yeah, surely we can hope something would actually get done.  Hope.

by LindaSFNM 2008-03-21 09:55AM | 0 recs
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What the heck are you talking about?

by ragekage 2008-03-21 10:46AM | 0 recs
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Great, Linda.  Thanks.

by oh puhleeze 2008-03-21 12:16PM | 0 recs
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Clinton's Wanted Wright's Help in 1998

Bill needed black pastors during the Lewinsky scandal, now they go under the bus.

by bernardpliers 2008-03-21 10:07AM | 0 recs
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Now all black pastors are bigots like Wright? I don't think so.

Hard to believe how many Obama supporters unthinkingly slip into racist categorizations.

by souvarine 2008-03-21 10:22AM | 0 recs
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Agreed--the "box" thinking of Obama supporters is staggering. 1. Everything that is negative about Obama is because of dirty tricks from Hillary's campaign. 2. If you say something about one person, it applies to all persons (e.g., Black pastors--and yes, I have personally met many wonderful ones.) 3. There is a typical white persona---PLEEAASE, that was a real insult. 4. If you have a photo taken with someone, that means you are best buddies. And on it could go. Hillary supporters are realists. We know Hillary has some problems and that there is no perfect candidate. But we do know that she is by far the best!
by The Smoldering Crone 2008-03-21 10:28AM | 0 recs
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No, no, I'm afraid you're using the same arguments as the Obama people and saying they work for Clinton because YOU support her. Don't work that way, Jack.

by ragekage 2008-03-21 10:51AM | 0 recs
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rascist characterizations

"Obama supporters unthinkingly slip into racist categorizations....."

I said, the Clintons are running a racist campaign, and you claim that I said something against Blacks.

There is a point where the passive-aggressive-neurotic-victim shtick crosses the line where Social Services has to come in and take the kids.

That was it. You're really getting into the realm of naked evil that will make people quit the party.

by bernardpliers 2008-03-21 10:44AM | 0 recs
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You said "Bill needed black pastors during the Lewinsky scandal, now they go under the bus."

I don't know what Bill Clinton has to say about this, so far only the Obama campaign has brought him up. But "[black pastors] go under the bus" implies that rejecting a bigoted pastor, Rev. Wright, is rejecting black pastors. I reject the inference, and I suspect you do to. Hence 'unthinking'.

by souvarine 2008-03-21 11:02AM | 0 recs
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Did you somehow miss the video that played over and over on every news channel of Wright trashing the Clinton's in his sermon. "Hillary ain't never been called a N****R." "Bill did us dirty just like he did Monica"? So exactly how is Bill throwing him under the bus? Maybe in your twisted logic but to a normal thinking person if Bill were to punch Wrights lights out on TV Hillary's Poll's would skyrocket and he would be given an award.

by RedstateLib 2008-03-21 10:44AM | 0 recs
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I'm so sorry, but, your candidate has lost so much credibility that I don't know what might win her this election.  If it's not Obama's win then it will certainly be McCain's.

by noquacks 2008-03-21 10:25AM | 0 recs
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It's no wonder that top journalists are calling the Obama campaign desperate, saying that it's amateur hour in Chicago.

Heh. I hadn't read that. Do you have links to any of their articles?

by sricki 2008-03-21 10:40AM | 0 recs
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these are the best we have to choose from?

Sigh.

Seriously, Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton are all we can offer?  

Hard not to walk away from the process in despair.

by Thirsty Gator 2008-03-21 10:42AM | 0 recs
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Amen.

Prior to our caucuses here in Iowa I went from supporting Gore to Kucinich to Richardson and finally to Edwards before I got a candidate my vote could actually register for.  

Now I have to choose between Clinton and Obama.  Since Clinton is the lesser of the evils (having at least some experience and a record) I have settled on her for the time being.

I keep looking for someone in the Obama camp to float a coherent argument for supporting him (other than "peace, love and hope") but I'm still waiting...just as I have been since 2004, for some indication that the guy who spoke those wonderful words at the convention was actually doing something.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 12:02PM | 0 recs
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Thanks campskunk! We needed this diary.

I think we all need to come out swinging too!  I am proud of my candidate, and to borrow an often-used line "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it any more!"

Lets kick it up for Hillary!

by cjbardy 2008-03-21 11:16AM | 0 recs
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WHAT A DIARY!

Great work, Skunk!

by internetstar 2008-03-21 11:25AM | 0 recs
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Take it to Free Republic

The reality-based community doesn't need you.

by rb608 2008-03-21 11:29AM | 0 recs
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Unfortunately, neither Wolfson or Singer can back up their assertions with facts.

by shalca 2008-03-21 12:50PM | 0 recs
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I hope Hillary

takes some of her supporters with her..when she drops out next week.

If this bitter fight has done one thing it has exposed the fault lines that have been in the Dem party for some time.  It really started to come to ahead with Dean 04 and it has been plainly exposed in the past 5 months.  

Since the 90's we have been held down by the Clintons and their baby boomer supporters who are obsessed with fighting decade old battles. That obsession with not being "wrong" about a war again led Clinton to vote for the current war.  She was terrified, like most boomers, that the Dem party would be blaimed again for "losing" another war like they were for Vietnam.

It's time to let go boomers.  It's our party now.  I welcome you to join us in the coming change in our party and country but if you cant please kindly step out of the way or we will run you over and that would be unfortunate.

by FinneganOregon 2008-03-21 12:52PM | 0 recs
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You have it a little wrong.  Baby boomers don't lose much sleep over Democrats supposedly "losing" another war.  Most  Baby Boomers who were paying attention consider the Viet Nam war to have been a horrible mistake and are proud that Our generation ended it.  Hillary Clinton did not vote for another war.  She voted to give Bush leverage to show strength intended to make Hussein back down.  

See the trouble with people who didn't live through the Viet Nam war or have little knowledge of it or history, is that they have to rely on what republicans and people with an agenda  tell them about what happened back then and that is sad as well as harmful to the country.

by Scotch 2008-03-21 03:41PM | 0 recs
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Re: I hope Hillary

First off don't insult our intelligence with the "it wasnt really a vote for war".  Everyone acknowledge it was, including Hillary in her floor speech prior to casting the vote.  Anyone with an ounce of intelligence knew that this was a vote to authorize war.  So Hillary was either stupid or made a political caculation that a vote for war was good politics.  Either way it is what disqualified her from the get go as a candidate for me (and alot of other Democrats)

As for Vietnam - YOU may not have any reserves about the Vietnam war but a vast number of boomers DO and this is something we have been unfortunately fighting for the past 40 years and frankly I, and alot of people under the age of 45 are freaking sick of it.

It is time to let go of the past.  It is time to move beyond the identity politics that have held this party hostage for so long.  Boomers step aside please.

by FinneganOregon 2008-03-21 04:18PM | 0 recs
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I hate reading your immaturity.  Maybe when you grow a little older and learn how to express yourself in a less vitriolic and more persuasive way, you will be able to convince people to get out of your way.  Until then, you will just have to wait your turn.

by Scotch 2008-03-21 05:44PM | 0 recs
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Ding Dong! The Witch is dead. Which old Witch? The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
Wake up - sleepy head, rub your eyes, get out of bed.
Wake up, the Wicked Witch is dead. She's gone where the goblins go,
Below - below - below. Yo-ho, let's open up and sing and ring the bells out.
Ding Dong' the merry-oh, sing it high, sing it low.
Let them know
The Wicked Witch is dead!
by rabidnation 2008-03-21 12:55PM | 0 recs
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Feel better now? n/t

by joanneleon 2008-03-21 01:43PM | 0 recs
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Totally off-topic...

Hi, lady.  Good to see you here.  You were mentioned in my swan song at the orange.  

Makes me smile to see your name.

by creeper1014 2008-03-21 07:05PM | 0 recs
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Glad to see you too!  I missed the swan song.  I'm not over there nearly as much as I used to be.  

See you around ;)

by joanneleon 2008-03-21 07:30PM | 0 recs
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Just found your diary and left a comment.  I agree with everything you said there and completely understand why you left.

And, thanks for the kind words, my friend.

by joanneleon 2008-03-21 07:40PM | 0 recs
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rabidnation is an example of why I will never vote for Barack Obama.

The juvenile insulting of my candidate, the arrogance...this is why Hillary supporters will abandon you in November if we are unfortunate enough to have him as the candidate.

by cc 2008-03-21 07:33PM | 0 recs
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More yellow journalism from the amateur "journalists."

by rfahey22 2008-03-21 02:07PM | 0 recs
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Hillary has the gall

To complain about tax returns?  That's pretty funny.

by susanWAstate 2008-03-21 02:16PM | 0 recs
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I keep trying to come here, thinking I'll be part of an interesting conversation. But it always just gives me a headache. It feels like some strange world where a Democrats head got stuck on Fox News body and it created some kind of weird Pet Cemetary distortion of a Democrat that I can't recognize. I can't believe that came out of my mouth, but really, this place is just strange. Maybe I'll try again next week.

by avava 2008-03-21 02:31PM | 0 recs
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It's strange because it isn't entirely full of posters swooning all over Obama.  This is what democracy looks like where there is still a campaign going on because millions of people haven't voted yet.  It's strange because it isn't the echo chamber you are so used to being in. Seems like a primary election to me.

by Scotch 2008-03-21 03:32PM | 0 recs
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Which campaign had their internet director come out and ask the bloggers for help because the big mean bullies in the other campaign were saying hurtful things about their candidate again?

Which campaign is whining about being the victims, again?

The one who said their opponents weren't tough, weren't vetted, couldn't handle the swiftboating, didn't know what was going to hit them, or the one that's experienced, battle-tested, ready for anything, ready on day one?

(Hint: the one that claimed to be tough and battle-tested and ready for anything anyone could do)

by Texas Gray Wolf 2008-03-21 03:27PM | 0 recs
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One week after Rev. Wright screams "God Damn America" and "US of KKK A" everyone is screaming for Hillary to get out of the race, despite the fact that her poll numbers in PA and WV are AWESOME, and she looks very competitive in North Carolina.

Now, let me think...could it be possible that the Obama supporters are screaming even louder for her to get out now that they know what kind of trouble they are in with the majority of Americans who listened to America-bashing and racist ranting and condescending lectures?

Nah, there must not be any connection.

by cc 2008-03-21 07:28PM | 0 recs
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Exactly.

I say, if Obama can't get past anything in the primary, then he can't get past them in the GE, and we all know anything and everything will come up in the fall.  So, if Obama is hiding from more back slide, and he wins the nomination, it will come out when running against McCain, and by that time it might be saved for Halloween night or a day before the election.  Now, he still has time to craft a defense.  Or implode now, and Clinton can take it in Novemeber.  We would be better off with her from my point of view, and I am holding out hope for that.

by Scotch 2008-03-23 07:07PM | 0 recs
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Lets see what the debates produce. She supported NAFTA when she said she didn't. her story on Kosovo is blatantly false. She smeared Obama in a false flyer after saying shame on you. She's praised Mc Cain and indicated he'd be a better president than Obama. Which is likely to get rave reviews from some of the "Democrats" here. If preople want to make out like he is a Black panther be prerpared the suburbanites will reject that wholeheartyedly. Everyone is saying enough already already. he climbed two points in the polls in one day. He is Bi-racial and people get that.
by daninpa 2008-03-21 08:04PM | 0 recs

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