you needed another diary on this when one is 2 dairies down? :)

It is in some people's interest here to create the appearance of a party divided. I wouldn't read too much into the feigned outrage that has become commonplace for certain people that post here - especially those who post here under multiple user names.

Not everything that Obama does has to be viewed through the What Does This Mean For Hillary Clinton Spectrum©

person for Hillary's loss. It should've been Penn, in my opinion.

Hillary actually supported the move of Doyle-Solis to the Obama campaign.

I actually agree. I believe that Patti Solis-Doyle was still a friend of Hillary's and has been with her since the early 90's.

I would imagine Hillary might have even helped her with this job and I look at it as boding well for Hilary regarding the vp job.

I think alot of people on hillary's campaign are not happy because they blame PSD for the problems in the campaign, but if you look at the fact that she was hillaryland since the 90's, I would think that there is still a friendship of sorts with hillary....

There's a lot of free-floating anger and it found a target.

It is all about Hillary for some people.  Once you understand that, this type of reaction is easy to comprehend.

supporters. Those who see Solis-Doyle as a "fuck you" probably see the virgin Mary in a piece of toast.

The Clintons don't hate Solis-Doyle, they just wish she managed the campaign a little better.

 Wasn't she the skinny actress that played the alien  in Men-in-Black?

She's got a ton of experience as a chief of staff.  She didn't work out in a campaign management capacity, and by that time it was pretty much up-or-out with the Clintons.  I'm sure Patty got a glowing recomendation letter from her old boss.

I'm not mad at Solis Doyle.  I'm mad at Obama for putting Hillary's campaign manager in charge of choosing and managing his VP's office.  I mean....talk about insulting and demeaning to Hillary.  This is cruel and spiteful.  Everyone knows Hillary would like to be VP, so for Obama to choose her campaign manager to play a major role in choosing his VP, knowing all along he will not choose her, is just being cruel and vile.  This shows a side of Obama i didn't know existed.

I didn't understand all the anger either.  When I first heard I thought the hire was because of her good connections in the latino community.  Then I heard that she also has strong connections with Axelrod... so it made since.  She will not be managing the finacial part, and from what I read there were a lot of problems in the Hillary campaign regarding "who was in charge".  Don't think that Patti ever had the power to make the kind of decisions that messed them up so.  

I can't believe that the Hillary that everyone thinks she is, would be that angry at someone who had been with her for years, and quite successfully.  

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On June 17th, 2008 at 9:24 am, The Other Ed said:

The bundler in question was probably a friend of Mark Penn. For Burson-Marsteller to survive with some political juice, they have to keep pushing the storyline that Clinton's loss was all Patti Solis Doyle's fault.

Solis-Doyle was supposed to have been the designated scape-goat for the loss and this hiring is screwing that narrative all up.

are fucking pissed off.  Just guessing.

I think there would have been a little anger if Joe Liberman had hired Ned Lamont's former campaign manager too.

Some folks just don't get it.

Of course there's concern about this move.  For some, it does amount to a big poke in the eye, for others, it's a big non event.

Frankly, I don't care what kind of underground messages Obama telegraphs about the fact that he's not going to place Clinton on the ticket, bcause I don't want her there.

As I've said before, she deserves much more than an 'also ran' position that would amount to a "Miss Congeniality" prize.  She's better than that, and if the Democratic party leaders would take note, she's more valuable than that in other positions.  If they don't take note, well, screw 'em.

Was Senator Brooks beating the crap out of Senator Sumner in the 1850's.  I think that was a little worse.  I think we all need to remember that the future of this country is a billion times more important than our personal hurt feelings.  Get over it.  Suck it up.  Do what Hillary's doing and take a break from all this stuff.  Do whatever you have to do to make sure our country stops getting f@*ked!

If you are looking for things to be outraged about anything will do.

Solis-Doyle has been a loyal Clinton supporter and friend for years and I'm sure she came highly recommended from Hillary and the campaign. I'm sure lots of Clinton campaign people will be signing onto work for the Obama campaign and I am also sure that Hillary is encouraging Obama to make room for them now that they are out of work.

There is an agenda behind a lot of the remarks and it has nothing to do with Solis-Doyle and what role she plays in the Obama campaign.

The anonymous bundler providing those quotes doesn't give two shits about improving this country. And I'll throw my vote in for the "friend of Penn" theory.

I'd wager it's more about fanning the flames of discontent than anything else. Eyes on the prize, folks.

They need to gripe about SOMETHING.

It's been easy for a lot of people to think every single action by the Obama campaign is some sort of sneaky slap at Hillary Clinton (e.g. fingergate).

If he hires former Clinton people, it's an insult. If he avoids hiring former Clinton people, it would be an insult. If he picks another woman for VP, it's an insult. If he doesn't appear on stage with her for her concession, it's an insult, if he did appear it would have been a presumptuous insult. If he picks a man for VP, it's an insult. If he picks HER for VP, it will somehow be the ultimate sexist insult.

Given that the primary campaign is over, there's no reason for Obama to be dissing Hillary. Since there are all sorts of reasonable reasons to hire Solis-Doyle (her connections with Chicago, with Axelrod, her experience, Hispanic outreach, etc.), I think it's only logical to conclude that there's much ado about nothing here.

Seriously, the chief of staff to the VP is a low-wattage position with no ability to influence the campaign.  I am sure that Ms. Solis-Doyle can handle it as she has done a good job with more demanding assignments in the past.

It is inevitable that former Clinton staffers will be recruited into the Obama campaign.  People want to work, and this is now the biggest democratic operation around.  Nothing unusual about that.

Here's what is a bit unusual, and in my view unneccessary.   Why hire a VP chief of staff before even selecting the VP?   Wouldn't that person want to have some say in who their chief of staff would be?  Indeed, they might come in and sack Patti to put in their own confidante.   Pretty strange.  And then there is the fact that this role supports the VP.   Given the sensitivity around the whole Clinton as VP topic (personally, I believe that she shouldn't be on the ticket, and really shouldn't want to be either), it seems like a needless provocation to still-adjusting Clinton supporters.

Bottom line:  The only "big deal" about this is that it shows a puzzling lack of awareness and sensitivity toward Clinton and her supporters on the part of the Obama campaign.   Put Patti into any other role in the campaign, and it's a non-issue.   But this sends a message, albeit a potentially unintended one.

It's not odd they hired her. Just odd they put her in that position.

This controversy is symptomatic of the intensity of emotions surrounding Clinton that are still out there. Obama needs to get this tidied up. You don't win elections with deeply divided parties.

it would make absolutely no sense for BO to give HRC a bug FU at this stage in the game.  my guess is that HRC personally signed off on this although i do find it strange that the VP does not select their own staff.

One of the advantages to both sides of O hiring PSD is that PSD has deep knowledge of how HRC thinks and what she cares about, which might not otherwise be available to O and his team, and is also an automatic back channel for certain sorts of conversation which may be necessary but not directly available in the more public way. Admittedly a two edged sword, but that could conceivably be part of the point. There's more than one way to get your message into the mix. This is another.

The title doesn't bother me so much. You gotta call her something, and what this does is say she's not directly in the campaign as such, at a time when the asteroid may still show up, but there being set up as a resource for the presently empty chair. I don't take it as a message that HRC absolutely WILL NOT be the VP choice, rather than if she is, somebody she already likes is sitting there as chief of her staff, from the git go.

I see 3 ways this plays out

1)  Hillary is the VP and wants to mend fences with an estranged long time friend and loyal supporter and try and undo the damage caused by firing her.

2)  Hillary is not the VP and Obama is hiring her for the hispanic vote and to undo the damage of her getting fired.  That its for the VP role as opposed to some other position such as to support his wife is just to show Hillary voters that they should be McCain voters.

3)  Patti Solis Doyle was a plant and was intentionally screwing up the Hillary campaign to get Obama elected and this is her reward.

Basically the only positive spin on this for Obama is if 1 is true and if that is true he really deserves better treatment.  If 2 or 3 are true he really deserves much worse treatment.

given it much thought. I guess I don't really give a damn.

...this is the job she is qualified for.  Handling the VP's schedule is a more similar job to handling the first lady's schedule than to running a campaign.  Generally in politics if you know someone and you can do the job, you get hired.  

I think the allegations that she was one of the sources for that Vanity Fair article on Bill are far more serious than whether or not she is working for Obama.  If she willingly and knowingly participated in the media campaign to smear the Clintons then she is definitely out to f*&k with someone.  

He hired the one person Hillary fired for botching her campaign as the chief of staff for the V.P. Hmmm, I wonder why Hillary supporters would be upset.

Is Obama trying to push me to do something I've never done: vote for a Republican? We'll see when he makes his VP selection.

This party may indeed end up split. The next few years could get ugly for the America economy. Disunity is not the prescription we needed but that's what Obama has given us. He want's to ignore the 18 million votes cast for Clinton.

Believe Obama's numbers at your own peril. His numbers are padded because people don't want to come off as racist.

Empty words of praise will not do the trick. If Hillary isn't the VP I won't vote for Obama. The dynamic would have been exactly the same had Clinton won and not picked Obama. Anyone who doesn't admit that is lying or kidding themselves.

The Clinton campaign could have decided not to reply.  Instead, the offered up this:

Clinton spokesman Mo Elleithee e-mails with a different take: "Patti will be an asset and good addition to the Obama campaign. After nearly two decades in political life, she brings with her the ability to tap an extensive network that will be a huge asset to Senator Obama. As Senator Clinton has said, we're all going to do our part to help elect Senator Obama as the next President of the United States."

That should really be the end of the discussion, such as it is.  But so far, no one who's angered by this has really offered up any reason at all, so it probably won't make any difference.

with the Clinton campaign.

It was not her fault Clinton lost. the responsibility ultimately comes down to the candidate and how they manage and what advice they take.

As others have noted Solis-Doyle did great for Clinton in NY... so meh.

Take her advice, weigh it carefully, she may have good things to say.

Frankly there are going to be some people who get pissed of no matter WHAT Obama does.

What vocal anger? As far as I can tell, there are exactly two people who have expressed any anger about this, and one of them is anonymous. (And no, the quotes with profanity don't suddenly make this a "story"). They don't have anything else to report, so they're manufacturing a controversy that makes Hillary Clinton and/or Barack Obama and the Democratic party look bad and/or in disarray.

We've all read some variation on this theme every day for over 6 months. This is just today's flavor of "how do we undermine the Democratic party" courtesy of the MSM.

whatever his real intentions, it's a stupid move.  her twenty year friendship with Axle makes it seem like a reward for being a good mole, and as a fuck you to Hillary supporters, who want her given respect.  She's on the surface not greatly qualified unless she gave poor caucus state advice as a mole and she did great, for Barack.  It doesn't matter what's true, what matter is the perception of double dealing and the desire to insult Hillary's supporters, so whatever it is he was thinking, it was a dumb move for a guy who's not getting the bounce he'd claimed he'd get once he's the presumptive nominee.  This coupled with refusing McCain's town hall invitation, which makes him look cowardly, whatever his real intentions, and like he was lying when he said he couldn't wait to debate McCain, since he clearly wants to wait.  If any of you know him or have access to his campaign, let him know it's a boneheaded mistake that will win him nothing and make it harder for him to win those Democrats who worry about his lack of foreign policy experience and his off-the-cuff foreign policy gaffs. he needs fewer cheerleader and more hard edge advice.   he's the nom, he needs to win, and these two early decisions do not bode will for his ability to reach out to everyone.  

This is beginning to take on the appearance of a relationship gone bad where the slighted lover brings up an old disagreement every time the wind changes just to create strife and the other just tries to keep things together and make it through a rough patch.

In my experience, you have to either suck it up and deal with the resentment over the short term in hopes of reconciling, or change the locks and move on. I'm to the point of calling the key guy.

I'm not that angry about it. But i have a couple of problems with it.

It appears to mean he's not considering Clinton, which i think is a mistake. She's the stand out choice for me.

She did a poor job in the Clinton campaign, so i don't want her as part of a campaign i really want to win in November.

If she's just been hired as a slap to Clinton then this is a bad move.

The day after Obama does this, you see Clinton calling her donors to help Obama. And people were worried that it would be Clinton that would threaten party unity.

It shows terrible political antenna. One of the things we worried about...

i dont know much about her, but i would figure hillary liked something about her to hire as campaign manager. just dont let her handle the campaign finances

When I first read about this appointment I didn't know what to think.  It could be a signal that Obama IS contemplating Hillary or it could be a major diss.  But what I felt mostly was that there were things going on behind the scenes that I was not privy to, so that it's best to just wait and see.

But then I turned on MSNBC and they were flogging this as a major insult to Hillary and sure proof that Obama is "slapping her in the face."  They were having a great time enjoying yet another public putdown of a Clinton and also putting in their digs on Obama for insulting women voters.  A twofer!  Slam both Democrats!

Methinks it's all about a ratings slump after the longest running sports bonanza, the 2008 Primary Obama/Clinton Smackdown.  So far the new gladiator Obama/McCain match is sadly lacking for the news business.  

That's why they keep bringing up Hillary on any pretext whatsoever.  

For my part, I do not Hillary as VP.  Let Obama own his nomination and his presidency completely.