Clinton Invokes Suffragette Icon, Botches Suffragette History

Not to make too much hay of this but I think there are two notable points to the below story from ABC News:

In Montana, Clinton Invokes Suffragette Icon, Botches Suffragette History

On Sunday in Montana, which will hold its primary on June 3, Sen. Hillary Clinton, D-NY, invoked a legendary state icon, former Rep. Jeannette Rankin, R-Mont., the first woman ever elected to Congress.

"Remember, Jeannette Rankin was elected before women could vote,"Clinton told a crowd in a Missoula airplane hangar. "So who says men don't vote for a woman?"

But Clinton's description of Rankin's election is rather free from the constraints of historical fact -- Montana as a state gave women the right to vote in 1914 and even as a mere territory had given women the right to vote in 1887.

Check out this classic New York Times story from the year Rankin was elected, November 5, 1916, in which she is described as "a handsome and vigorous woman, with a wealth of red hair," and noting the states that allowed women the right to vote as of 1916: Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.

Anyone could mess up a fact like this. But it's also true that those whose hearts contain special space for suffragette history will no doubt be disappointed by Clinton not knowing some of this basic history.

Several suffragette historians on the web -- Cliopatra, and others HERE and HERE have corrected Clinton's error, some expressing chagrin that she would get this wrong, others pointing out that Rankin was a pacifist, voting against going to war in World Wars I and II, and would doubtless take issue with Clinton's October 2002 war vote. (Though, c'mon, guys -- Rankin was clearly on the wrong side of history on those votes, my historian friends...let's not take this too far.)

 

My thoughts:

1.  We can argue about the merits about Clinton continually playing the gender card with speeches like this but, if the situation were reversed and Obama got up on the stump and trumpeted the first black this and the first black that, don't you think people on this site would be all over it?

2.  Although certainly not to the level of Tuzla or anything, doesn't Clinton need a better staff of fact checkers?

Tags: FACT CHECK, Gender Card, Hillary Clinton (all tags)

Comments

40 Comments

this is silly

on par with "Gore said he invented the internet".

Mentioning women in history is not playing the gender card.  Women are people too and BTW, Obama really does play the race card by crying victim hood every time he loses a state.

by TeresaINPennsylvania 2008-04-07 10:22AM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

How's about the facts that she got wrong?  Does she need better fact checkers?

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:23AM | 0 recs
Universal Suffrage was 1920

Rankin was elected before the vast majority of women were allowed to vote.  Couldn't find anything else today to parse up and attack Clinton with?

by linc 2008-04-07 10:33AM | 0 recs
Re: Universal Suffrage was 1920

Well, her prepared comment could have included that modification, no?  The states that allowed women the right to vote as of 1916: Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, Washington, and Wyoming.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:35AM | 0 recs
Like I said

the vast majority of women weren't able to vote until 1920.  Maybe you should write a note to Senator Clinton asking her to be even more detailed in her speeches- I am sure she would appreciate it.

by linc 2008-04-07 10:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Like I said

It's not about detail.  She said "Remember, Jeannette Rankin was elected before women could vote," Clinton told a crowd in a Missoula airplane hangar. "So who says men don't vote for a woman?", implying that women couldn't vote for her.  They did.  Because Monatanans could VOTE!

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Like I said

Sp then it would be a lie to say that gay people in this country cannot get married, just because there is one state that allows it?

Women did not have the federal right to vote, they did not have the right to vote all across the USA.

by americanincanada 2008-04-07 11:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Like I said

Well, she didn't say that, did she?  Clinton basically implied that women could not vote for Rankin, when in fact they WERE able to vote for Rankin.  Pretty stark, no?

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Like I said

Did better than black folks.

by regina1983 2008-04-07 10:59AM | 0 recs
That is an aweful comment

and extremely disrespectful and ignorant.  Black men were given the right to vote long before women.  Yes, in the South it didn't happen until the 1950s, but I guarantee you there are still women in this country whose vote is control or not allowed by their husband.



These two instances are not comparable and your trite, offish comment says to me that maybe you should think before you speak/write.

by linc 2008-04-07 11:25AM | 0 recs
Re: That is an aweful comment

THANK YOU!!!

by jrsygrl 2008-04-07 12:25PM | 0 recs
Re: That is an aweful comment

Black people did not really have the right to vote until the 1950s and early 1960s. During Freedom Summer, three men were murdered in Mississippi because they were working on voter registration for African-Americans.

Determining when women or blacks had the right to vote cannot be done by looking at the dates of the 15th and 19th amendments. Lots of women could vote before the 19th amendment and most African-Americans could not vote after the 15th amendment.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-07 12:34PM | 0 recs
Did you read anything I wrote?

I specifically said the instances were not necessarily comparable.

by linc 2008-04-07 01:18PM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

fee fii foo fumm i smell an obama supporter trying to shift the focus away from a much more relevant impreciseness in historical facts - and not on a point of minutiae by any means in 2008.  didn't BO just regurgitate the Bush Co spiel about - gee no one could have guessed terrorists would use planes as missiles! Condi couldn't have said it better.

why not go try to school Obama on current historical events rather than getting anal about this minor detail --

by swissffun 2008-04-07 11:59AM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

Um, I have no idea what you just said.  Mind explaining a bit further?

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

You really outdo yourself with this one: "Obama really does play the race card by crying victim hood every time he loses a state".  Please, pray, show me an example of where Obama cried victimhood and blamed his race for his loss.  I hope you realize this is absurd.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:25AM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

campaign monitor?    sounding more like a hallway monitor in grade school.

by swissffun 2008-04-07 12:00PM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

Not sure what you find fault with.

Monitor (Verb): "Keep tabs on; keep an eye on; keep under surveillance"

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 12:15PM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

Strange, and I thought the first thing Obama's done whenever he's lost a state has been to get up and congratulate Clinton.

Clinton, on the other hand . . . . chirp, chirp . . .

by vadasz 2008-04-07 11:11AM | 0 recs
Re: this is silly

Obama really does play the race card

Okay, just don't go complaining about what people accuse Clinton of, because you've basically made it your life's purpose to hop from thread to thread calling Obama a racist and misogynist.

by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner 2008-04-07 11:21AM | 0 recs
LO Invokes Rezko

Can you explain why Obama thought it was acceptable to accept a $625k favor from a guy who was being investigated for bribing state officials and tell us how you know with certainty that wasn't a bribe?

by Little Otter 2008-04-07 10:24AM | 0 recs
Re: LO Invokes Rezko

Hi Little Otter, you're in rare form today as usual.  Want to regale us with stories of how Obama might be a muslim or how he eats puppies for fun?

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:25AM | 0 recs
After writing this diary

you have the gall to say something like that? Wow.  

by linc 2008-04-07 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: After writing this diary

Whatever do you mean?  Little Otter is the author of some really delicious gems on here, including how Obama staffers supposedly were partially responsible for Randi Rhodes' deplorable comments about Hillary.  I would recommend that you speak with him/her about his/her remarks.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:41AM | 0 recs
Do you ever say anything positive

Just wondering?

by Student Guy 2008-04-07 10:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you ever say anything positive

Not usually.  This is the diarist that unapologetically claimed that Obama staffers were involved in promoting the Randi Rhodes "fing whore" comments and that Obama needed to apologize for her comments.  Real sharp one there.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Do you ever say anything positive

PS., I meant that Little Otter was the diarist for the diary I mentioned.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:34AM | 0 recs
this is diary hijacking

And it's accusing a Dem Senator of committing a federal crime without evidence there was more happening than routine influence peddling.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-04-07 10:49AM | 0 recs
I can only say

that I hope you are ready for the flames...

Good dairy and profile on Ms. Rankin.

by Student Guy 2008-04-07 10:27AM | 0 recs
Silly diary.

She meant before the federal amendment.

by TomP 2008-04-07 10:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Silly diary.

Ah, the parsing of language begins.  

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Silly diary.

Clinton said "Jeannette Rankin was elected before women could vote".  How do you interpret "could"? I find the definition to be "Able to".  As in:

"Jeannette Rankin was elected before women [were able to] vote."

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:32AM | 0 recs
Re: Silly diary.

Actually, her next remark -- "Who says men won't vote for a woman" -- is the more important comment, for interpretive purposes, as it suggests that she is referring specifically to the ability of women to vote in Montana, where Rankin was elected. That is to say, Hillary seemed to be highlighting the fact that an all-male electorate delivered victory to Rankin, a female candidate. Otherwise, I don't see the point of her afterthought ("Who says ment won't vote for a woman?").

by DPW 2008-04-07 10:53AM | 0 recs
Re: Silly diary.

Exactly.  Good catch.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:57AM | 0 recs
Re: Silly diary.

I'm sure you're right, but doesn't it make you mad that she makes so many silly errors?  Someone needs to take charge of this campaign.

by interestedbystander 2008-04-07 10:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Silly diary.

Understood, she needs better fact checkers.

by campaignmonitor 2008-04-07 10:36AM | 0 recs
No, it does not make me mad.

Chidish Obama supporters make me mad, becuase they harm his campaign.

Sorry, not a Clinton supporter.  Just a grown up.

by TomP 2008-04-07 11:18AM | 0 recs
Jeannette Rankin was a woman of principle

and courage. She was willing to risk her elected position for her principles.

Not a triangulator.

I'm surprised Clinton would invoke someone who is known for voting against WWI, getting voted out of office, getting elected two decades later, voting against WWII and getting voted out of office again. Rankin is the type of person who reminds people (at least the ones who know about her) of all the reasons they dislike Clinton.

by Carl Nyberg 2008-04-07 10:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Invokes Suffragette Icon, Botches Suff

as a complete aside.

It is interesting that the states (and territories) where women were first allowed to vote were mostly out West.  Many of them were states which we now consider deeply red states Arizona, Idaho, Kansas, Montana, Utah, Wyoming.

Any thoughts on why this may have been?

I find the history of the changing definitions of "liberal" and "conservative" to be fascinating.

by the mollusk 2008-04-07 11:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Clinton Invokes Suffragette Icon, Botches Suff

What historians argue is that these states had women who had to do all sorts of work, including running their farms and ranches when their husbands were away. In the east, there were more defined gender roles and those roles supported ideologies that said that women were less able than men.  Out west, those sexist ideologies could not be taken as seriously, thus women got the vote earlier than in the east and south.

by politicsmatters 2008-04-07 12:37PM | 0 recs

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