Jerome Armstrong and Race

Let me start with things that should go without saying-- I don't think Jerome, from reading his posts here- is racists. I don't think he is naive. I simply think he really has a hard time here understanding how someone like me, a black person, sees race in America.

I asked him in this diary:

http://www.mydd.com/story/2008/3/19/2131 47/222#commenttop

A simple question- what was so offensive about what Rev. Wright said? I don't understand it. But, then, I didn't understand what was so bad about what Ferraro said either.

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Can we be honest about identity politics?

I will not get into the latest skirmage over identity politics with the presidential candidates because frankly I don't care about it.

Instead, what the latest skirmage forced me to ask myself is whether progressives/Democrats/Liberals, etc can be honest about how identity politics affects our decision making process?

This diary is mostly just a series of questions. I firmly expect to be attacked for asking because questions, but I have to ask.

1) Can we be honest about how identity politics affects decision making or must we sweep the discussion under the rug of racism or gender bias or whatever else people like to claim ?

2) Do you honestly think that there is not a positive for identity politics related to rage and gender that's a net positive for candidates in a Democratic primary season?

3) Do you think the stats that show how people are voting should be ignored ?

4) What do you think will happen in the general election with these issues?

These are just off top of my head. I am sure there are others I can think to bring to the mix.

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Will Obama and Clinton supporters grow up before the GE?

This will be a short diary. I am frankly over the primaries. Whoever wins, I will support.

What I do have a problem with going forward are the supporters. Do you think for one moment that you will not need each other in the general election? If you do, you are delusional. I don't care who you support. Clinton will need Obama. Obama will need Clinton. What we don't need is the immaturity that passes for commentary to spill over into the general.

Who wins if this vitriol spills over into the general? That's an easy one- John McCain and the Republican Party. Who loses? Again- an easy one- the Democrats and the American people.

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Plagiarising Edwards: His Lasting Impact on This Race

While the candidates along with online blog superstars occasionally descend into silliness over whether Obama copied a speech or not from someone else (Count me in the "I don't give a shit column"), there is this from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/pol itics/19dems.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnn l=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=12033907 04-BSbQt0oSeXa/va97d+Cbww

I suppose it comes down to this for me. I care about the issues, not the candidates, not the politics and not the Democratic Party. I support, and will support the Democrats because they are closer to the version of America I want to see and they are the only choice of the two choices I am given.

Still, it makes me feel good to know that Edwards has had a lasting impact on this race.

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The Lasting Impact of Edwards on This Race

While the candidates along with online blog superstars occasionally descend into silliness over whether Obama copied a speech or not from someone else (Count me in the "I don't give a shit column"), there is this from the NY Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/us/pol itics/19dems.html?_r=1&hp=&adxnn l=1&oref=slogin&adxnnlx=12033907 04-BSbQt0oSeXa/va97d+Cbww

I suppose it comes down to this for me. I care about the issues, not the candidates, not the politics and not the Democratic Party. I support, and will support the Democrats because they are closer to the version of America I want to see and they are the only choice of the two choices I am given.

Still, it makes me feel good to know that Edwards has had a lasting impact on this race.

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How to beat McCain-- it's the character stupid!

This will be a short diary. As I am undecided about whom I will vote for next week in the primary, I've started to think about the general election.

Bowers, Lux amd other have asked how we can beat McCain.

My short answer is that it's the character, stupid. One of the central issues I have with being a progressive is that we sometime miss how the other guy thinks. This is a short diary about that- how the conservative and independent voter thinks.

If you want to beat McCain, you must destroy him personally. Many of you may find this distasteful, but please understand this is the most assured way we can win regardless of who we nominate.

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An Interesting Conversation with an Obama Supporter

I had an interesting conversation on here with an Obama supporter which I have cut and paste for your viewing pleasure:

"like much of your thinking but... (none / 0)

How is Obama centist?  Who are his "right wing" ecomomic advisors?

You make some assumptions - where did you get that information?

My take is that Obama is committed to the same progressive values at Edwards and both have done a lot to promote ethics reform.  I think that is THE issue: getting lobbyists money out of Washington.  I think the Clintons have tried to paint Obama with the same brush as her - but its not true.  Its pure demagoguery.  

Check it out for yourself - visit the FEC site - its easy.  you can see where candidates get their money.

"Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 12:56:50 AM EST
[ Reply to This |  none0- hide1- troll2- mojo ]  

By the way (none / 0)

Edwards would be fine with me - I would love a brokered convention - lets get it all out in the open.

Listening comes first
by Moonwood on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 12:58:27 AM EST
[ Parent | Reply to This |  none0- hide1- troll2- mojo ]  

Re: I like much of your thinking but... (none / 0)

look up his advisors.

by bruh21 on Thu Jan 24, 2008 at 01:02:25 AM EST
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you made an accusation (none / 0)

back it up"

My question is why doesn't this supporter know this, and I wonder to what degree are many of his supporters like this? Basing their judgement on general feelings about Obama's biography. Is this the American liberal electorate now? Just another version of a faith based community?

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Why I want a brokered convention

Let me just say that for a short while I flirted with the idea of changing candidates. Like many, I can be influenced by the media, and I was possibly leaning to Clinton after the last several weeks becoming disenchanted with Obama.

Now, however, I am firmly returning to my support of Edwards. Here's why: If progressives/liberals want to start creating strategies that will defeat triangulation, that means we must step out on to the plank to support progressive/liberal values. By doing so, win or lose, we get a seat at the table. By having a seat at the table we start to shift the balance leftward. We can't do that if we simply give into to impulse.

I write this with no illusion that Edwards will win. That's not the point. The point is that he can influence the other two candidates, and force them, as he did at the debate to return to substance, and, he can be, in effect, become the honest broker as he has done throughout the primary cycle. When looking at this, I realized his strategic value: He can help reduce, even if he does not win, triangulation at least until the convention, and if he is king/queen maker, maybe he can help put a stake in its heart. Presidencies are also the people who surround them. How much better would Obama be if he were force to include Robert Reich rather than the right wing economic advisors he has now? How much better would clinton be not surrounded by Mark Penn? I don't know- but maybe with a bit of deal making we can find out. We can win even while losing. This is just a modest idea.

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Obama's race problem

I've had an instructive conversation today with Piuma about race. At first, I assumed merely didn't understand the definition of 'magic negro' when referencing it as a rightwing  term.

In fact, I was corrected as to my thinking by the following comment:

"Try actually listening for once.  I understand it is a perception of what blacks think whites are thinking.  It is a perception of racial bias which relies on stereotyping.  It is a form of racial bias itself which takes a cinematic device for the "unexpected stranger" (see Pasolini's Teorama) and imposes it on social interaction without merit.  Perceived racism is not always accurate, nor ultimately helpful.  

It has been used by the right wing, Limbaugh etc. , to belittle Liberals and others who seek to break down the institutional barriers of racism, and has been used specifically against Obama as being just white enough for white America to embrace, a safe black man, which really seeks put forward just the opposite thought in his listeners and continue racism in this country."

If this is how some white voters supporting Obama thinks, then his coalition is going to face a problem when African Americans come to terms with your thoughts on race.  The key words here are "Perceived racism." Not real mind you, perceived.

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7 Reasons Why I love Contested Elections

I know there are some Obama supproters who may think that Obama coming in second is a bad thing.

I know there are probably some Clinton supporters who are thinking "thank god, Clinton is the new come back kid!"

I am an Edwards supporter, and all I have is his message which I hope he continues to bring to the race.

But, this isn't about that. This is about a principle that I've slowly developed since 2004. I love contested elections. Let me give you 10 brief reasons why below the fold.

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