Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

So for all of you wondering why some democrats don't support Obama this was just the beginning. You may be able to rationalize his actions to yourselves but I always supported democrats because they were the the party that stood for fairness and justice.

Of course I am not so naive as to believe that all democrats share my values but when they don't, I skip that name on the ballot. Obama has made clear from the beginning what kind of politician he is. Why did he join the wright church? Because it was good for his career in Chicago politics. Why did he disown the man who was his inspiration and mentor for 20 years? Because it was not good for his career as he runs for president. The laugh is that the media allowed Obama to characterize Hillary as the one who was willing to do anything to win.

There are lines I don't cross. One of those lines is I don't  support people that have dubious moral values even if they are democrats. And I do not support people that have no known accomplishments when they vie for the highest office of the land even if they are the democrat.

If the video doesn't play you can go to the link:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-B_G5SczZ tY

Tags: Chicago Politics, moral values, obama (all tags)

Comments

51 Comments

Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

"One of those lines is I don't  support people that have dubious moral values even if they are democrats"

So your one of those self loathers?

by Dog Chains 2008-07-17 05:59AM | 0 recs
You need a hug

+HUG+

It's okay.  Things will be fine.  Obama will win and prove that all those smears that you believe aren't true.  We can do it together!

by Dracomicron 2008-07-17 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Why don't you post a tip jar, that way I can properly show you what I think about you spreading Republican smears.  We have already covered this ground ages ago.

Go back and try to collect your McPoints.

by Sychotic1 2008-07-17 05:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Can the BS.

We all know that Chicago has a history of dead people voting. That's why they have those ballot access rules which involve carefully checking the signatures.

There's nothing morally dubious about making sure your opponent is following the same rules you are following -- rules that were devised so that people don't get on the ballot from people who don't actually exist.  

by politicsmatters 2008-07-17 06:04AM | 0 recs
Yep

Gotta love this one.

Hey, buddy, DIAF.

by Reaper0Bot0 2008-07-17 06:06AM | 0 recs
The PUMA hatred for Chicago reminds

me of the Republican bashing of "San Francisco liberals."

Ugly losers.

by Geekesque 2008-07-17 06:24AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Did you see the June fundraising numbers?

Hurts doesn't it?

by spacemanspiff 2008-07-17 06:45AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

The Chicago Sun-Times today (July 17 2008) listed what it calls Obama's "goodie bag" of state grants made between 2000-03.  http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/ob ama/1060495,CST-NWS-watchdog17.article  

As some of the unblind may know, some of these funds went to dubious purposes.  The Sun-Times noted:  "A proposed botanic garden in Englewood got $100,000 from Obama, but the project never was completed because an additional $1 million in funding that Obama had said he'd "work tirelessly" to help obtain never materialized."  Well, it was worse than that.  Lynn Sweet, advertising the story on her blog, referred to the project as a "botanic boondoggle." http://blogs.suntimes.com/sweet/2008/07/ suntimes_probe_as_state_senato.html  

As a state senator, Barack Obama gave $100,000 in state money to a campaign volunteer who failed to deliver on a plan to create a botanic garden in one of Chicago's most blighted neighborhoods. [skip] Kenny B. Smith, a onetime campaign volunteer for Barack Obama, can't explain exactly how he spent $100,000 of taxpayer's money on a garden that was never built.  Instead, what was supposed to be a six-block stretch of trees and paths is now a field of unfulfilled dreams, strewn with weeds, garbage and broken pavement.

The Sun-Times reported a $75,000 grant to a group called F.O.R.U.M.  Here's the story behind that grant, from the Los Angeles Times:

As a presidential candidate, Obama has been critical of the congressional system of doling out money for pet projects. But he is no stranger to pork-barrel politics and the practice of spreading government money around his district. In Springfield he once directed state funds to a nonprofit group headed by a Republican and former ballot foe, Yesse B. Yehudah.

Yehudah barely registered a ripple of meaningful opposition, drawing only 10% of the vote in his 1998 challenge of Obama.

The following year, a nonprofit run by Yehudah, a social services organization called Fulfilling Our Responsibility Unto Mankind, began seeking state support. At the same time, Obama was considering mounting an ambitious challenge to U.S. Rep. Bobby L. Rush, a fellow Democrat.

Former foe Yehudah stepped up early to help. In November 1999, five people who worked for the Republican's nonprofit organization each gave $1,000 checks to Obama's congressional campaign committee. Yehudah makes no secret of his goal.

"We want [politicians] to know that when we sit down, we're serious," Yehudah said. "They know it when a $1,000 check comes in."

Obama lost his congressional bid. President Clinton backed incumbent Rush, who received twice as many primary votes as Obama. Obama was left with a $40,000 debt.

Later that year, Yehudah associates pitched in an additional $5,000 to help retire Obama's debt. The contributions were recorded on Oct. 7, 2000, three days after the Illinois Senate, at Obama's behest, approved a $75,000 state grant to Yehudah's nonprofit, state records show.

 http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la- na-obamaillinois8-2007sep08,0,308382.sto ry?page=2

Then there are his gifts to Father Pfleger, who besides being a spiritual counselor was also a political backer.  According to the Sun-Times, Pfleger's church. St. Sabina, got $100,000 to help rebuild its community center.  But according to the Chicago Tribune, Pfleger "gave Obama's campaign $1,500 between 1995 and 2001, including $200 in April 2001, about three months after Obama announced $225,000 in grants to St. Sabina programs."

The 2007 Tribune story also revealed:

Another supporter, Henry English, made two donations to Obama totaling $900 in 2001 after Obama helped send a $50,000 grant to a non-profit group that English ran, the Black United Fund of Illinois.

Personal ties to Obama also were evident in some pork dispensed by his political allies. The Chicago-based Muntu Dance Theatre received a $4.5 million grant to help pay for a $10 million cultural center.

Obama's mentor in Springfield, state Sen. Emil Jones (D-Chicago), sponsored the grant. And at the time $2.25 million of the grant was disbursed, Obama's wife, Michelle, sat on the non-profit dance group's board.

Obama said in the interview that at the time of the award in 2003 his wife wasn't a board member, though tax returns of the charity indicate she sat on the board in 2002 and 2003.

In all of these stories, the participants said that the timing of contributions and grants was "coincidence."  In the L.A. Times story, the head of the Better Government Association said that in Illinois, "government actions often occur around the time of campaign donations."  "The answer is always the same: It's always a coincidence."

Finally, the Sun-Times story states that: "Records from 1997 to 2000 weren't available."  Because?

Nice candidate you got there.

by strongerthandirt 2008-07-17 08:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

The fact that Obama would lower himself to join that "church" in the first place says a great deal about his (lack of) character.

by handsomegent 2008-07-17 08:29AM | 0 recs
Obama didn't go to St. Sabina

you fucking idiot.

by JJE 2008-07-17 08:52AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama didn't go to St. Sabina

I know that.  He did belong to a nutcase church-Trinity United for 20 yrs--although he never seems to have been there during his mentor's rants.  And fuckhead, that other Clinton-hating dirtbag from Saint Sabina's was allowed to speak at Trinty and while he was mocking Senator Clinton that MOB in the pews were lapping it up and high-fiving each other. SO MUCH FOR UNITY?

by handsomegent 2008-07-17 08:59AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama didn't go to St. Sabina

I love it when pissed off PUMA's say crap like
"SO MUCH FOR UNITY?"

I guess when they become Republics, they remove their sense of Irony at the same time they remove their sense of humor?

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-17 09:23AM | 0 recs
St. Sabina

is the only church mentioned in the article.  But you saw "church" and, like one of Pavlov's dogs, immediately spewed the talking point your little mind associates with that word.  That's why you're an idiot.

by JJE 2008-07-17 09:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-17 12:38PM | 0 recs
FAIL!

by John in Chicago 2008-07-17 06:50AM | 0 recs
Boo

Pictures, illustrations, etc.

by susie 2008-07-17 10:31AM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

Well, it pretty much sums up the diarist, so boo right back at ya.

by John in Chicago 2008-07-17 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

Susie/Susie G is a PUMA

Funny how they hate pictures, I wonder why?

by DemsLandslide2008 2008-07-17 12:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

Ha ha. Good one.

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-17 12:38PM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

Susie is not SusieG, nor is she Suzie or SuzieG.

Sheesh.

Who/what is DemsLandslide, other than a name-caller?

Perhaps that's why Susie hates pictures on MyDD.
Perhaps those who post them don't know how to articulate ideas.  

by susie 2008-07-17 03:02PM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

the freeper pretend-o-crats like dumbslider2008 don't do nuance or reading skills for that matter.

by zerosumgame 2008-07-17 03:04PM | 0 recs
Re: Boo
Is this code?
Am I correct in assuming you agree with me that those who use photos and illustrations are inarticulate?
And that you agree that labelling/name-calling is beneath the level of MyDD discussion?
by susie 2008-07-17 10:23PM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

yep, I have seen these dipso's run people off because of "similar" names before, hell there was one guy who had 'denny' in his nickname here so suddenly he became every 'denny' on the net who ever said anything they did not like. Claims of 'outting' him (normally leads to banning on honest sites, but MyDD not so much) and they dunned the poor guy until he left in disgust.

by trytobereal 2008-07-18 07:05AM | 0 recs
Re: Boo

yeah I see how the bullies are trying to gang up on you because they knee-jerk their "arguments" then scramble to hide their errors.

by zerosumgame 2008-07-18 07:10AM | 0 recs
Re: Boo
Who and what is a PUMA?
Susie is not a PUMA.
Susie wouldn't know a PUMA if she met one at her front door.
Is Susie a Communist?
Is Susie a Vegetarian?
Is Susie a Rastafarian?
Do some MyDDers with made-up names have powers to recognize beings that are not there?
How did MyDDers with made-up names get those special powers?
by susie 2008-07-17 10:30PM | 0 recs
Weak

by susie 2008-07-17 10:48PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

No doubt about it, BornagainDem is absolutely in the lead for my most likely to post this diary the day after Obama wins the GE:

"Hillary would have won EVEN BIGGER!!!"

If he can type seeing through the tears or the hangover from too many shots of tequila....

You know what is weird, THESE are the people who claimed we needed the Clintons, cause only THEY know how to really fight...

My take is, since we all know what the Republics are going to try, caging, voter-suppression, the usual dirty tricks...

WHO BETTER then guys like Axelrod and Obama who grew up watching Chicago ward style politics.

To beat your enemy, you need to KNOW your enemy.

Win, baby, Win!

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-17 07:03AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

According to Rasmussen HRC would be ahead of McCain by 8 points while he and O (if you count leaners) are today tied. And yet for some strange reason the Obama media crusade refuses to acknowledge this.

by handsomegent 2008-07-17 08:28AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

She's not running anymore.  Might as well poll FDR againts McCain.  Or Zombie Reagan.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-17 08:37AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Ah, tis true.  However I make the point because I constanly see on MSNBC and other Obama whorehouses passing themselves off as news shows that HRC would be such a drag on an O ticket.  Isn't that amazing when she got more votes than he did in the first place and that she now does better against the Repub nominee than he does.

by handsomegent 2008-07-17 08:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Keep living in the fantasy world that had Clinton winning the nomination - the rest of us will embrace reality.  And Zombie Regan.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-17 08:59AM | 0 recs
Hillary's ahead by 8???

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!!!

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-17 12:39PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Talk about dredging up an 4 month old CNN story that has been thoroughly discussed, to make no point.

So Barack is a politician who likes to win. Funny I've never met or know of one who doesn't. He played by the rules of Chicago politics and used those rules to his advantage. Big woop!

BTW, if you had dug a bit deeper into this story you might have discovered that both Ewell, Askia and Alice Palmer had hired a couple of people to gather signatures using old voter list and in the case of both Askia and Palmer signature gathers out of laziness or lack of time decided it would be easier just to sign a bunch of signatures themselves.

Ewell could not be reached for comment, but the federal judge's decision showed how he was tripped up by complexities in the election procedures.

City authorities had just completed a massive, routine purge of unqualified names that eliminated 15,871 people from the 13th District rolls, court records show.

Ewell and other Obama rivals had relied on early 1995 polling sheets to verify the signatures of registered voters--but Obama's challenges were decided at least in part using the most recent, accurate list, records show.

Askia filed 1,899 signatures, but the Obama team sustained objections to 1,211, leaving him 69 short, records show.

Leafing through scrapbooks in his South Shore apartment, Askia, a perennially unsuccessful candidate, acknowledges that he paid Democratic Party precinct workers $5 a sheet for some of the petitions, and now suspects they used a classic Chicago ruse of passing the papers among themselves to forge the signatures.

Now if you can show me how he broke the rules or did something illegal you might have a case. However since you can't move along.

by jsfox 2008-07-17 07:51AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

And if you had watched the video you would know that some people were eliminated because they printed their names and didn't sign them in the right spot. I know that what he did was "legal". That is not the point. The question is was it moral?.

Do you, because you are part of a law firm, send in a group of lawyers/goons to eliminate your competition by questioning their signatures. Did someone do that to Obama's signatures? Or did they miss their opportunity to question his because of deadlines and the fact that they couldn't afford to pay lawyers to do that. At least one of the people missed out by only 69 signatures. Yes people always make mistakes on those signature rosters, people sign twice because they can't remember if they did it before, in Chicago people may very well forge signatures- that is why you collect so many extra- to cover yourself. But no one is going to have much chance against a deliberate attempt to eliminate you. This is not the purpose of those signatures and  it is just a dirty trick.

Dirty tricks are repug tactics. I like dems playing hard ball I don't like them becoming repugs. And remember this was against fellow dems not against the dirty repugs. What is the point of our party  if we are just like them.

Funny how so many of the comments are attacks and smears rather than addressing the issue like you did.

by Bornagaindem 2008-07-17 09:18AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Dirty tricks are repug tactics.

Explain to me if he followed the rules  and his opponents, in some cases did not, ie not having actual signatures. How is Obama doing dirty tricks?

by jsfox 2008-07-17 10:22AM | 0 recs
Next

Do you, because you are part of a law firm, send in a group of lawyers/goons

Goons? Where did this come from? Calling lawyers and campaign volunteers goons is a tad over the top wouldn't you say?

Ps watched the whole video this time, twice and watched the original on CNN.

My opinion and mine only, the reporters tone is what makes this sound like a story.

by jsfox 2008-07-17 10:28AM | 0 recs
HR abuse, "Same As It Ever Was".

Uprated.

by sricki 2008-07-17 04:44PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

"Funny how so many of the comments are attacks and smears rather than addressing the issue like you did."

Oh, but I beg to differ.

ALL of us are adressing the REAL issue, which is, you PUMA's are running around banging your head against the wall and asking us to feel your pain for you?

Sorry, at this point, riducle and scorn is what you deserve and what you get.

When you want to discuss REAL issues, as with other Clinton supporters here do, you will notice how we respond.

Notice the difference between how we respond to folks like you and Canadian Girl for example?

There was no bigger Clinton supporter, and she gave out some pretty sharp elbows.

But, she didn't became absolutely irrational and continue to fight a battle already lost.

She asks for, no, demands, respect for Senator Clinton should anyone step over the line.

To me, if I was Senator Clinton, She is the type of supporter I would be proud of.

You PUMAs on the other hand, are probably a source of embarresment to Senator Clinton at this point.

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-17 12:53PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

the funny part is you probably recc'ed this diary and have no clue how venal and stupid it makes any BHO "supporter" who did look.

by zerosumgame 2008-07-17 02:54PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Bravo to this diary!

by handsomegent 2008-07-17 08:26AM | 0 recs
C'Mon

You PUMAs can do better than this.  I want more!  More!

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-17 08:36AM | 0 recs
Re: C'Mon

More's a comin'.

by handsomegent 2008-07-17 08:56AM | 0 recs
Re: C'Mon

Hit us with your best shots.  It won't work, but will be good for a laught or two.  By the way, did you hear about the PUMA organizer who wanted to keep the T. Jefferson family reunion segragated?  That's classy progress there.

by NewOaklandDem 2008-07-17 09:01AM | 0 recs
Re: C'Mon

Oh come on indeed.

Not ALL of the PUMA's are racists (just a few of the high profile folks..)

For example, Handsomegent is not a racist....
at least, as far as I know!!!!!!!

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-17 09:20AM | 0 recs
Frankly

I see it as anti-old style.

If I knew it was common practice to buy petition signatures, I'd challenge them too. Why give your opponents an unnecessary and unethical advantage?

I live in PA, and let me tell you there was a distinct....dearth...of Obama campaign materials available at the voting place in my area. Luckily, a big dude with wraparound shades (I shit you not) was on hand to offer the other candidate's stuff.

So, lol. You'll forgive me if my political cherry has already been popped.

by Neef 2008-07-17 09:12AM | 0 recs
Re: Frankly

Did he ask you to 'snap into a slim jim'?

by Jess81 2008-07-17 09:41AM | 0 recs
whap!

..is the sound of me slapping my forehead. lol

by Neef 2008-07-17 10:07AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Recently saw an article in the New York Observer (don't laugh) where the subject was the nutty Democratic bundler Kiki(?) Lieberman who runs these anti-Obama podcasts that all end with "GO GO GO!!!"

Anyway, the comment section of the article was filled with identically phrased and emphasized comments that were either from the same person or from two or three.  There was one hilarious comment about the "unsavory characters in Obama's past".

On the list were "Che Guevara" and, wait for it... Alice Palmer.

by Jess81 2008-07-17 09:40AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

I'm not worried.  Yet.

Sound the alarms & post like mad if anyone connects him to Laura Palmer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laura_Palme r

by January 20 2008-07-17 09:47AM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

Yeah, Obama used ride through South America with Che when he was negative 28 years old....

I'm telling ya, the guy is beyond space and time altogether (lol..now watch some me call me a messiah loving kool-aid cultist!)

by WashStateBlue 2008-07-17 12:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Obama- the candidate of change- Chicago style

THIS IS GREAT NEWS FOR HILLARY CLINTON!!!!!!!!

by Lance Bryce 2008-07-17 12:36PM | 0 recs

Diaries

Advertise Blogads


----------- myDD - skin -----------