"I want a proud Democrat, not one afraid to be a Democrat."

Nice trick. Now you have to prove that Obama is ashamed to be a Democrat. It's really something that he can hide. What until his supporters find out that Obama is a Democrat!! My God, scandalous!!

The pettiness of these purported gripes simply reflects the petty minds of those that traffic in them. Yes. All of you.  

Exactly, I think that Obama will be effective precisely because of his style. You don't. We're never going to agree on this. So why bother?

Why is this guy taken seriously anymore? Jerome's obsession with Obama borders on the pathological. It's not funny anymore. To be honest, I'm a little bit worried about Jerome.

Clinton's approval rating actually went up due to republican overreach.

Defeat the ones you can. That goes without saying But how about the ones that will remain? That can't be the entirety of our approach.

So you don't like Obama's "style" ?

But he's substantively OK, yet you still complain?

Nevermind then, we have much better things to worry about.

Be thankful that you have the luxury to get hung up on such pettiness.

"Or do you instead believe that the Democratic PArty is irrelevant to "progressivism" now?"

No. I don't think that the party is irrelevant in this regard. But neither do I conflate the Democratic party with progressive values.

Obama will attack whoever needs to be attacked and he'll work with whomever can be used towards acheiving progressive outcomes.

If you're not a result-orientated operator that you are of no use.

Rename yourself "Small Tent"

Well Todd, it looks like you're more interested in acheiving progresive outcomes that settling scores with the Repubs. What the hell is wrong with you. You're not being a good Democrat.

You're just feiging shock. Give up the act. If you are for real, than you are more loyal to the party than to progressive values. The two are not synonomous. And if you thinl they are than you are truly out of touch. Many of us find that the Democratic values does not speak to our concerns as much as it should, though of course far more than the republicans. Indeed, there are many things that I find very disturbing about the party.

For people like me, then, I'm not content with the party as is and not willing to devote my blind loyalty to it. No, I seek to comandeer the party, mold the party into something more closer to where I'm at. Just because the Democratic Party is ideal for you as currently situated, it doesn't mean that it's that way for the rest of us.

"You agree then that a Democratic presidential candidate should run against the Democratic Party?"

What evidence is there that Obama is running against the Democratic Party?

A "progressive agenda which MUST necessarily be promoted by a strong Democratic Party."

How Obama really weakening the Democratic Party?

You're making a lot of logical leaps here. But I understand. Some of us here are just different breeds. No point in trying to come together around this.

Look Todd, some people are interested in keep score with the repubs. Perhaps Obama should just toss them a bone or two to chew on. Then the adults can get back to business.

Sure I think Democrats are better than Republicans, but that's not saying very much.

Obama is more interested in being a good progressive than sounding like one.

"Fatal flaw"? As if there's a fatal flaw to any of these campaigns. Shoddy analysis.

Don't buy the crap about Obama as Clinton's running mate. It's justa ploy to sucker Obama into playing footsies with Hillary instead of going at her full force as he should.

Wow. You too? I'm taking the MD bar next week.