NYT*: Geithner Wins. We Lose. TARP II=TARP I + $1.5 T

Well, it appears the NY Times has the scoop on TARP II, as U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will outline it in a speech tomorrow. Essentially, Geithner has prevailed. What this means is Wall Street has just won a big one, and Main Street just got screwed...huge.

According to the NY Times, here's the deal: "Geithner Said to Have Prevailed on the Bailout."


Geithner Said to Have Prevailed on the Bailout
By STEPHEN LABATON and EDMUND L. ANDREWS
Published: February 9, 2009 (late today)

WASHINGTON-- The Obama administration's new plan to bail out the nation's banks was fashioned after a spirited internal debate that pitted the Treasury secretary, Timothy F. Geithner, against some of the president's top political hands.

In the end, Mr. Geithner largely prevailed in opposing tougher conditions on financial institutions that were sought by presidential aides, including David Axelrod, a senior adviser to the president, according to administration and Congressional officials.

The article continues, indicating:

(Generally speaking, diarist's comments are in italics, throughout.)

--The "anti-nationalization" folks, led by Geithner, have won a big victory, for all intents and purposes.

--Geithner was able to curb "severe limits on executive pay for companies receiving government aid."

--The government will not be dictating how banks spend their rescue money; and shareholder's equity at large institutions receiving TARP II funds will not lose their investment via nationalization.

--Some issues still remain unresolved, however; but the article really didn't get into much detail on that statement. (This reminds me of TARP I, frankly.) But, here's the broad-strokes:

    "BAD BANK" REDUX: Geithner will call for a joint Treasury and Federal Reserve effort, which will cost somewhere between $250 and $500 billion; it will "encourage investors to acquire soured mortgage-related assets from banks." The funds will come out of the Federal Reserve, and the F.D.I.C. might provide guarantees to those participating, private sector investors. As the NY Times noted, This is "the Bad Bank," and/or the quintessentially dressed-up pig, lipstick and all, just a  couple of degrees of separation removed, so they don't have to call it that,  for all (im)practical purposes.

    FED CREDIT FACILITY: Another $500 billion to $1 trillion will be committed to expand the Fed's current $200 billion program to unfreeze credit markets for commercial, student, auto and credit card loan products.

    REVIEW OF CAPITAL LEVELS OF ALL BANKS: A determination will be made on how much additional capital needy banks will actually get. (So, let me get this right, we really are going to piss away truckloads more of taxpayer's perfectly good money to follow-up all the bad disbursements we made to the truly failing banks in TARP I? Could Rove, himself, have delivered more cannon fodder to the GOP?) Funds for this aspect of the program will come from the second-half of the TARP I money (the second $350 billion of the $700 billion authorized by Congress this past Fall).  

    CRUMBS FOR US: $50 billion will be budgeted to support homeowners "facing imminent foreclosure."(Let me put this in perspective: A typical home, being generous with the numbers, has a value today of--very--roughly $150,000. $50 billion will cover the mortgages of, approximately, 300,000-350,000 homes.  If a home's decreased in value by 30%, which isn't that far off from the average decrease in value of a typical U.S. residence, this will cover the lost equity in roughly 1,000,000 households. Problem here is that approximately 3,000,000 homes are already in various stages of foreclosure, at the moment, if my memory serves me correctly.)

Other highlights of tonight's NY Times' scoop on tomorrow's speech by Geithner and the drama leading up to it:

--There was dissent among Obama's inner circle. Axelrod's concerned about public reaction, and general perception.  And, there's this unattributed, general comment regarding concerns about the public's perception of Tuesday's speech:


"...the poor management of last year's bailouts could feed a potent political reaction if the administration did not demand enough sacrifices from the companies that receive federal money."

No shit!

And, the rest of the NY Times piece really makes me want to....scream...yep...that's the word. As it gets into more of the details:

--Geithner will blame corporate management for the economic crisis;

--He'll demand--without getting into specifics of course--"rules that require all banks receiving capital from the government to submit plans that describe how they intend to strengthen their lending programs and generally restrict them from using the money to acquire other banks until the government money is repaid."

And, here's what made my stomach just turn...


But officials said Mr. Geithner worried that the plan would not work -- and could become more expensive for taxpayers -- if there were too much government involvement in the affairs of the companies.

Mr. Geithner also expressed concern that too many government controls would discourage private investors from participating.

--SNIP--

But as intended largely by Mr. Geithner, the plan stops short of intruding too significantly into bankers' affairs even as they come onto the public dole.

The article closes out by saying it's really quite similar to the Bush plan; in fact, the Times piece comes out and just about says that, verbatim.

And, Chuck Schumer (D-Wall Street) loves it. (Which, to me, is the kiss of death. )

Under-freakin'-whelming, or just plain outrageous?

*=NOTE, JUST AS I WAS POSTING THIS: The Wall Street Journal is out with their coverage of this now, and it pretty much mirrors the NYT piece. The slight difference between the two articles is that instead of discussing the Treasury Dept's and the FDIC's efforts to "insure" private investment in toxic/"bad bank" debt, the WSJ's article downplays that reality (but still mentions it), attempting to frame it as if it's a private funding deal, exclusively, and then referencing the FDIC/Treasury support for the program in passing.

More on the WSJ corroborating piece here (NOTE: MSNBC is running a piece exclusively about the original NYT article): "Banks to Get Stress Test Before Aid."


The expanded effort could see as much as $2 trillion in financing flowing through the system, according to Congressional officials briefed Monday night. The expanded Fed facility and the "bad bank" could each reach $1 trillion in size, both of which would be seeded with bailout funds.

The administration is discussing spending between $100 billion and $200 billion investing new funds in banks, up to $100 billion to expand the Federal Reserve facility and $50 billion to help homeowners. The Treasury wants to keep some money available in case of emergencies. These commitments could eat up much of the second half of the $700 billion bailout fund.

The Obama administration's initial attempt to sell the plan got off to a rocky start on Capitol Hill Monday evening in briefings with House and Senate staffers. Officials told packed meetings Mr. Geithner would lay out a framework Tuesday for the financial rescue. But a lack of detail was met with skepticism as staffers pressed for more information.

Rep. Brad Sherman (D., Calif.) asked officials how much taxpayers could be on the hook if the situation in the financial system was to further erode. "I appreciate your filibuster, but that's the other side of the Capitol," Mr. Sherman told the Obama officials, according to a person at the briefing.

Tags: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, bailout, David axelrod, Economy, President Barack Obama, stimulus, TARP I, TARP II, US Secretary of the Treasury Tim Geithner (all tags)

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35 Comments

Tips: Last night Obama looked great; today...

...not so much...it appears all hell's gonna' break loose on TARP II.

The Stimulus (i.e.: American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009), covered extensively by President Obama in his first evening press conference from the White House, is much more in line with Progressive Dem values. It's supposed to be all about jobs and helping others. Unfortunately, the GOP saw to it that they added their typical obstructionist b.s. to the mix, along with an assortment of tax cuts while they eviscerated aid to states and cut out many billions for education/schools. That being said, it's still a piece of legislation with a great deal of nobility in it...but, far from perfect.

Today, it's an entirely story...we have the second phase of the TARP program, or "TARP II," which is quickly growing from the second-half of a $700 billion Wall Street bailout (primarily), to what looks like it'll be more than a $1.5- to $2-trillion rehash of TARP I, but with big strokes of lipstick on a cousin of the very same pig that Hank Paulson gave us back in late September.

Let's see...with TARP I, we lost about 30% of our taxpayer dollars (estimated at $78 billion by the Inspector General) to outright giveaways to Wall Street. At that rate, we should piss away about $450- to $600-billion (30% of $1.5- to $2-trillion) needlessly to Wall Street in this part of the program.

Oh, now I get it...

by bobswern 2009-02-09 11:47PM | 0 recs
when Obama picked Geithner and Summers

this is exactly the kind of crap I was worried about.

Personnel shape policy. That's why it was misguided for some Obama supporters to shout down critics of his cabinet appointments. "Give him a chance!" "He hasn't even been inaugurated yet!"

by desmoinesdem 2009-02-10 04:43AM | 0 recs
Re: when Obama picked Geithner and Summers

Does this change the way you view the folks who asked that the US Senate delay their vote on the stimulas package for less than 24 hours? So that they could see what was up with TARP2 funding.

If you are to take a wholistic approach when stimulating the economy.

Is it true that the Fed is being sued under the Freedom of Information act to obtain a list of the colateral that the Fed is taking for the debt?

by 12 dogs and a blog 2009-02-10 05:09AM | 0 recs
Thanks for saying that DD

When I brought this up a few months ago, it was all "pointy-headed arugula eater" or "openleft zombie".  People kept saying that Geithner and Summers were different people now and etc.  This is an instance where I would much prefer being wrong to saying "I told you so".

by the mollusk 2009-02-10 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

So why were all the Democrats who voted for the first bailout(including Obama) wrong back then if they are so infallible?

Most people do not know how to fix this, including many of our own politicians and quite a few economists.

The first bailout was a failure. Why should we trust this much more? The advisers prevailing are not known for deviating from the establishment.

by Pravin 2009-02-10 01:18AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

up rated for being 100% correct.

by QTG 2009-02-10 02:11AM | 0 recs
Sorry, but you're way out of bounds.

It's juvenile commentary that you're supporting here...uprating something like that.

To think, for a second, that there's any hint of this being a "concern" diary is, simply, pathetic.

Barack Obama, nor anyone else "has this." To brush off or otherwise trivialize this type of thing is your prerogative. That's one thing.

To make fun of others that take it seriously...damn seriously...is just sad...and, it demonstrates that you would rather conflate an issue as complex as this economy--and discussion of it--with childishly simplistic comments that are little more than a throwback to primary season.

Last I checked, this was a place for adults.

by bobswern 2009-02-10 03:31AM | 0 recs
And, I tr'ed you for supporting...

...trollish behavior where the person called out the diarist and made obnoxious comments to him.

If you support that type of behavior, especially when it's unwarranted (but at anytime it is uncool), then you're just as bad as the person who wrote the comment in the first place.

by bobswern 2009-02-10 03:36AM | 0 recs
Re: And, I tr'ed you for supporting...

 Obama's doing something about it besides fretting. But fret all you want.... about him, about me, about anything you please. It's a free country.

by QTG 2009-02-10 04:10AM | 0 recs
Last I checked, what you called...

..."fretting" is what most bloggers call: "speaking up substantively."

Tell that to the Governors and educators in those states that just had $86 billion in really badly-needed funds stripped out of the stimulus.

Tell that to the art or music teacher in those states--and there are thousands of them--that are getting pink slips this week.

Tell that to the folks that may very well end up getting IOU's for their state tax refunds in California who really need that extra money to pay for food and prescriptions.

Tell them they're "fretting."

by bobswern 2009-02-10 04:21AM | 0 recs
Re: Last I checked, what you called...

"speaking up substantially" was called 'making the perfect the enemy of the good, or was it .. the enemy of the possible. Everything won't be solved in one Bill. Everything, in fact, won't be solved - period.

by QTG 2009-02-10 05:00AM | 0 recs
Re: Last I checked, what you called...

If this were private donations? I'd say well each to their own. But the money in question is Federal money.

You aren't spending your money.
You're spending "We the peoples" money.
Billions of "We the peoples" money.

Big difference that folks will no doubt be reminded of come April.

I am curious. In light of the complaints that the last bailout money was ill used? Why do you think that the "watch dog provisions" were stripped out so easily this time?

(I'm asking opinions here.)

by 12 dogs and a blog 2009-02-10 05:16AM | 0 recs
Re: Last I checked, what you called...

Please contribute something meaningful to the discussion or go away.  If you want to argue the diary's points, please do.  But it does nothing to advance the discussion or solve the country's problems to say repeatedly that Obama will fix everything so everyone should shut up.  If you don't have anything to contribute, please pipe down.

by orestes 2009-02-10 06:35AM | 0 recs
Re: Last I checked, what you called...

usti is one of rankles' sockpuppets.  Our longest running, most prolific troll.  He's amazing, actually.

by Jess81 2009-02-10 06:14PM | 0 recs
Re: Last I checked, what you called...

We would like to give this guy Geither a chance. But he seems to have a trend that is disturbing. It doesn't help he didnt get off the right foot with his ridiculous excuse about forgetting his taxes. That shows to me some shadiness. He seems opposed to limits on exec compensation. What have highly paid execs done that has been so good in the last 15 years that a newly promoted guy who doesn't earn millions can't do? The paying premium for expertise has been exposed as a sham. I would rather see lower taxes for most people than handouts to wall street.

by Pravin 2009-02-10 06:03AM | 0 recs
Re: NYT*:

Bobswern - I worry about stories like these that are attributed to unnamed sources. Is what we are reading in the NYT and WSJ the complete story? I also wonder if we had not heard what now amount to nothing but a rumor, would we think Geithner's plan was OK? Or have we so convinced ourselves that Geithner is bad therefore any plan coming out of Treasury is therefore by definition bad.

I am going to hold my outrage until I hear the plan. At which point I may join you on the ramparts, then again I may not ;)

by jsfox 2009-02-10 03:45AM | 0 recs
Ridiculous...

...a few folks tried that meme over at the Big Orange, and once the story was running not just in the NY Times, but in the WSJ, MSNBC and on Bloomberg, people stopped saying that.

If you followed Geithner, and all of the accurate press about the discussions going on between him Summers, and the rest of the group formulating policy, you'd know this is a direct outgrowth of precisely what they've had on the boards, as it's been developed, for weeks.

Geithner and Summers are from the "anything-but-nationalizion" school of Depression remediation, up to and including pour, perhaps, another Trillion into Citi and BofA, and others.

They both readily acknowledge that there has to be a "bad bank" which will buy assets at a PREMIUM above their current market value (that is, by definition, a giveaway to Wall Street, period).

The banks have to get this stuff of their books. Nobody else is buying it, because there's no market for it. It's all about mark-to-market (actual value today) valuations versus mark-to-model (hoped for value, tomorrow) valuations. But, the funny thing is, when you get a loan from a bank, they strictly valuate your asset to determine the amount of the loan. But, when the shoe's on the other foot, they want as much free cash as the government will give them.

Meanwhile, we pull $86 billion from the Stimulus Bill--money meant for states and education infrastructure?

We spend close to $300 billion--most of the first half of the TARP funds--on the banks, including an acknowledge overpayment of $78 billion to a handful of these banks, because Paulson paid them mark-to-model prices, not mark-to-market prices; and this is what the Inspector General just announced last week: a $78 billion-dollar windfall  to a handful of banks directly out of the taxpayer's pocket.

I mean, couldn't that amount--which was almost exactly what they just stripped out of the stimulus package--have been put to better use?

30% of the first-half of the TARP funds were blown...as premium payments for toxic crap that the banks had to get off their balance sheets, anyway!

The pretzel-logic here is that 'the banks won't participate in the program unless they're getting a premium for this stuff,' when, in fact, that's a totally bogus argument.

When Citibank (see one of my recent diaries on this), is carrying up to 55% of their shareholder valuation in FICTITIOUS assets, and it's in direct violation of banking laws in this country, they damn well better start selling off debt. Why? Because they have to. They don't have the option of sitting around a decade, or so, while it increases in value.

Can you get a home equity loan now based upon the hoped-for value of your home in 2019? See how Citi feels about that if you ask them for it.

More importantly, what I'm saying here is pretty much exactly how Nobel laureates Joseph Stiglitz and Paul Krugman feel about the matter, along with other noted economists like Nouriel Roubin, and Ken Rogoff.

It's not like there's no basis in the CW for what I'm saying.

TARP is a bunch of crap, at least the way Geithner is positioning it now. Plain and simple.

I wouldn't give a rat's ass if so many weren't suffering in this country right now; and if your grandchildren weren't going to be paying for this down the road, either. But there is suffering, and there is a lot of misspent debt being accrued right now on a handful of banks that have no business continuing to game the system.

And, really, at the end of the day, my rant is about the system and it's not directed at Obama, even indirectly.

He's just got a couple of wrong folks calling the shots on this right now.

It's time for us to make him see it our way, dammit. (Just like he's encouraged us to do: SPEAK UP!)

by bobswern 2009-02-10 04:11AM | 0 recs
Re: Ridiculous...

Bobswern has taken the trouble to put out a detailed diary. Now considering, the economy is such a complex subject, that even experts have a hard time understanding every facet, it is possible a reasonable person can disagree with some of this diary. But then it is upto you to at least attempt to debunk specifics instead of going on a cult of personality rant. You have shown that you refuse to debate in good faith.

by Pravin 2009-02-10 08:14AM | 0 recs
Sewage disposal

But just think how much money we'll make when we sell back all of those assets.  cough. cough.

by the mollusk 2009-02-10 05:32AM | 0 recs
Dumb question alert

So, most of this assistance is in the form of loans, is that correct?  So the theoretical costs are something considerably south of $1.5 trillion.  Nevertheless, as I understand it, the government is still on the hook for this money so, for example, if a bank declares bankruptcy at some point, it would not be required to repay the loan.  Is that correct?

by the mollusk 2009-02-10 05:54AM | 0 recs
Re: Dumb question alert

Without getting way down into the weeds, I'm pretty confident the government would get a priority status as a lender, such that if a bank declares bankruptcy, the government gets its loans repaid before the preexisting creditors.  That's generally how it works when someone provides emergency financing.

That's not a given, however, and I'd note that a tough battle over that issue is taking place right now with regard to the auto company bailouts.  Personally I'm playing the game of expectations management by just kissing it all goodbye right now.

by Steve M 2009-02-10 06:02AM | 0 recs
Re: Dumb question alert

Personally I'm playing the game of expectations management by just kissing it all goodbye right now.

Why is the wise thing always the sucky thing?

by the mollusk 2009-02-10 06:15AM | 0 recs
Re: Dumb question alert

Absolutely.  The question is whether the plan Geithner has come up with is effective and has at least some attempts at fairness.  It just burns me that the people in these banks that have been force-feeding us free-market dogma for twenty years are now essentially wards of the state.  These people are the true welfare queens of yore.

by the mollusk 2009-02-10 07:08AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

Your comment was childish and unproductive.  It's a little scary, frankly, to think that anyone believes Obama has figured out the optimal answer to every policy issue that faces our country.

Obama is clearly a master of politics, but that does not equate to mastery of every substantive issue.

by Steve M 2009-02-10 05:58AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

The amusing irony is that if Obama did in fact have everything figured out (an impossible feat given the circumstances and one no one expects from him)you wouldn't be so frightened of discussion.  What harm can some concerned citizens communicating on a blog do?  You give yourself away.

by orestes 2009-02-10 06:39AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

if he was so infallible, we was he unable to point out in advance the obvious problems with the first bailout he supported?

I have supported Obama from the beginning. Just nodding our heads will not do him any favors. And voicing concerns will not obstruct the good work he does.  But if any of his aides reads anything that results from such discussion, maybe, just maybe, it might filter through and provide him with useful feedback. You seriously think we have the ability to distract Obama from doing his job?

by Pravin 2009-02-10 08:11AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

Your sycophancy is creepy.

by orestes 2009-02-10 06:23AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

You don't know the half of it.  Seriously.

by Jess81 2009-02-10 06:16PM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

Ah, well then, this is one of those instances in which ignorance is bliss.

by orestes 2009-02-11 05:51AM | 0 recs
By some great miracle or accident,

it seems you have managed to spell that word correctly. But the fact that you had to question your spelling reflects remarkable laziness. Is it really so burdensome to check a dictionary?

by sricki 2009-02-13 01:39AM | 0 recs
Schadenfreude

I have to admit that it is reassuring to me that the financial stocks are down so much today.  This suggests to me that the plan isn't exactly what they hoped for.  As terrible as this logic is, I suspect that what's bad for the banks is good for us.

by the mollusk 2009-02-10 08:07AM | 0 recs
Re: you sound concerned

If we wanted to shut you up, we would have zero rated you. We gave you a 1 which is, quite franky, overly generous for the kind of crap you bring to this diary. We welcome opposing views, just not blind support.

by Pravin 2009-02-10 08:12AM | 0 recs
Why Wall Street is Spooked

First, Wall Street favors Republicans so they were always going to be skeptical about the plan no matter what. Second, when it was leaked that the "toxic assets" were going to be valued by the private sector, many financial analysts thought that Larry Summers and Timothy Geithner had come up with a brilliant mechanism that would allow the private sector to value the assets. Their hopes were dashed when Geithner said that the private sector was going to be used to value the assets, but they were not sure how that was going to be done. He tried to reassure the public that they were still working on the plan. The Wall Street take was that Geithner and Summers don't know what they are doing. I suspect that it isn't as bad as Wall Street thinks, but the plan is still too timid to get us out of the woods in the near future.

by Zzyzzy 2009-02-10 10:55AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Wall Street is Spooked

How would you calm Wall Street?

by 12 dogs and a blog 2009-02-10 11:29AM | 0 recs
Re: Why Wall Street is Spooked

Wall Street values clarity.  This plan, or what most observers are calling "the outline of a plan," doesn't provide anything close to clarity.  It would have been better to announce nothing at all.

by Steve M 2009-02-10 12:35PM | 0 recs

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