No kidding. We have a non-denial from the Obama camp here. By the rules from the other day, doesn't that mean he is guilty?

And so are her disciples here and on 'Larry's Place of Misinformation and Xenophobia'.

In fact, the story she links to http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/st ory/CTVNews/20080227/dems_nafta_080227/2 0080227?hub=CTVNewsAt11 to 'prove' Obama staffers made the call that the Canadian Embassy calls untrue, also claims the Clinton campaign called and made the same promises.

|Low-level sources also suggested the Clinton campaign may have given a similar warning to Ottawa, but a Clinton spokesperson flatly denied the claim.|

Shocking! LOL!

It would be nice if you at least updated your diary with this and explained in a straightforward manner why you think it is wrong.

Hilarious.

Now it's all part of some vast conspiracy, eh, Susan?

The Canadian embassy denies it. Flatly.

So you now suggest they're lying.

Got it.

Thanks for the continued laugh.

Hey, will you support the Democratic nominee should it be Obama?, If not, will you work as hard as you have to continue to undermine his candidacy in hopes that he loses to McCain (thus, giving Hillary another shot in 2012)?

Speaking as an American living here and actually watching the news on a daily basis, I can say that is true.

the media here is much more engaged even though CTV's coverage until yesterday has been GLOWING for Obama. They are hardly biased against him and they are hardly Fox News.

BTW--CBC ran the story last night as did every other station and network, both local and national, I could get.

wrong.

The Canadian embassy is denying there was such a phone call.

must mean they're lying now.  C'mon Susan. Hit the higher notes. That was your reputation before.

Enjoy Canada.

I'm sure you'll enjoy emigrating there, as it seems you're quite unwilling to live in a nation under President Obama.

Say it with me, Susan "PRES-I-DENT O-BAMA!!!"

Susan, you have lost so much credibility in the blogosphere, that anything you write is unbelievable.  This is the worst of the worst.  You are totally not believable.

So an actual denial straight from the Canadian Embassy, that actually names names (unlike your trashy diary) is untrustworthy?

ROTFLMFAO!

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsm emo.com/2008/02/canadian_embassy_report_ on_oba.php

Add Minister of Public Affairs Roy Norton to the list of Canadian officials who deny the validity of this story.

Nothing in The Toronto Star.  Nothing in The Globe and Mail.  Nothing on CBC.  A story with worse placement than a baby falling from a train from CTV, the organization that broke it.  

Apparently in Canada, going with a story means ignoring it.

Yeah, I'm "fanning the fire."

Here's "fanning the fire" for you.

Keep scrolling. It goes on and on and on...

I get your point.  Either:

1) somebody planted a false story to try to damage Obama, or

2) somebody at CTV made up this story for some reason.

If the story was a plant, it likely either came from the Clinton camp in an effort to damage Obama, or it might have come from some Republican source trying to stir the pot.

The only chance of tracking down the source of this report is the CTV reporter who initially brought it out.  It would be great if they knew what they were doing, but if they had known what was going on why would they have run with the story in the first place?  I hope somebody tries to talk to the CTV people, but I am not optimistic that we will ever know the true source of this bit of mischief.

slime to link to a Canadian news report which anyone would and could fairly presume that this Canadian news source would have and most probably does have sources within the Canadian Embassy because the broadcaster refers to the reporter in the opening as "our Washington bureau chief?"

How is the diarist of this thread responsible for what the "Washington bureau chief" of that Canadian news outlet put out?

She linked to something that is important and it is up to each of us to weigh what the Canadian reporter reported.

But slime?

I don't think so.

And frankly, the Obama spokesman certainly did not deny that contact had been made.

It only makes sense for a foreign government to deny contact which places them in the middle of an American election.

They also frequently use an independent site called HillaryHub, for probing facts and objective analysis.

For the love of pete, Bob, he is a media spokeperson. Are you saying that they never try to cover their asses and they never get anything wrong?

So far CTV stands by their story, and they are as far from Fos News as you can get, and the denial has not been covered anywhere but Politico yet.

But assuming that you're right, it looks like there are just two people with the same name, one working in the Canadian Consulate in San Francisco, the other working the the Canadian embassy in Washington DC.

Ha!  Hilarious.

Talk about "cultists"...

The conspiracy to sink Clinton and elect Obama has spread!

Formerly, it was just the media and the American voters... Now it includes Canada!

Who's next?

You expect that the man who tels the PR guy what to say is going to have a different story? You understand what a spokesman is, right?

are obviously a Tristan Landry cultist.

Sure, but a denial taht's not in his (none / 0)

words isn't very convincing.

In your very objective viewpoint?

As I note downthread, my only comment on the Obama photo story was that if I were running the Obama campaign, I would be enjoying the photo story because it takes another day off the calendar while my candidate has the momentum.

I thought the same thing about the whole plagiarism flap. Camp Clinton definitely promoted that one and all it served to do was wipe out 48 hours+ of the news cycle on a trivial issue that did nothing to sway voters.

1)  Republicans;

2)  People who don't follow politics that closely but love to argue about shit on the Internet.

Get real.

hey that should be obama's slogan.

if you are running on a model your campaign isn't or can't live up to thats usually the response you get.

???????????????

You do get that this story--by any reasonable, earth-bound standard--is not true? This is a false story, sometimes called a "lie", that someone put out to weaken Barack Obama in Ohio.

How is he not, in this specific case, a victim?

Why doesn't CTV tell us?

This is what we need to be doing.

I'm sorry Bob, but you tone is as bad as Susan's.

There is truth behind this, and it matte5rs very much. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and pursue this to find out what is going on.

As AIC says:

something obviously happened

We all--BOTH SIDES--need to know what happened. I'd also like to find out what was behing the Drudge Picturegate attack, though I suspect that was a Rovian right wing attack. If this is another right wing attack, we can not let them play us against each other. We need to demand the truth and unmask the perpetrators.

You are calling the Canadian ambassador a liar. Correct?

No, I'm saying any Journalist will vet his story and his source multiple times before putting his/her proverbial ass on the line.  But some people.. ((insert name here)).. prefer to deal in innuendo and rumor.

about decorum here.  The hypocrisy is just breathtaking.  

You just go along with their smears and lies now, to the point you're not willing to express disagreement.

You get judged by the company you keep.

C'mon, Steve.

Your post history speaks for itself.

Clinton supporters.  The fact that you say that Obama supporters are the reason you support Clinton is hilarious, given the hideous nature of what gets posted here against Obama by your fellow travelers.

You apparently aren't offended by what the Hillscum here pull on an minute-by-minute basis.

Which indicates your expressions of outrage are entirely borne of your loyalty to Clinton.

Maybe you'll discover your sense of principle after Clinton concedes.

I have commented nuerous times in numerous places that I would gladly back her should she win the nomination, and, in fact, I believe that she would make a better, more effective president than Bill.

I have also written that she is an advocate for children and families.

In addition, I have swatted down those suggesting she drop out.

She was far down my list at the start of this campaign. Obama was not at the top of my list, either. But he was above her on the list.

look, I'm an Obama supporter but i'm also realistic.  and that realism is based in part on Occam's razor: the simplest explanations are usually the right ones.

on this story, the notion that presidential candidates or their campaigns would make calls to other countries on trade negotiations, even before they've secured their own party's nomination, is so far beyond credibility it's RIDICULOUS.  i would say the exact same thing if CTV claimed that Hillary's campaign did this.

actually, CTV DID claim that.

the story is a ridiculous one from the get-go, further buttressed by a spectactular lack of proof and the on-the-record statements of actual Canadian consular officials denying either campaign made these calls.

I agree, and in the spirit of agreement, I'm sure you will agree that is also obvious that the "official denials" out of the Clinton camp regarding the "dressed photo" are just as meaningless.

I really think you miss the point.  The original diary that brought this nonsense to MyDD is the issue.  It just seems like some people, ((no names included)) will do anything to get bad news out about Obama, whether it has been vetted or not,  rumor and innuendo are as good as facts in some peoples mind, after all I heard someone once say "A lie travels around the world before truth can get it's shoes on".

You may not have noticed it but people are getting really tired of the BS on this site that purports to be fact.  And incidentally, the peddlers of said BS.

Taylor Marsh is a hack.

She has been caught lying repeatedly this primary season. She is not a reliable source. But there is a certain hilarity watching the log-rolling that goes on between the likes of Marsh and Susan and Larry.

you have GOT to be joking.

looks at recommended MyDD diaries

shakes head in wonder

I'd like to second this. Like Bob, I'm a fairly new member of this community. Unlike Bob, my reasons for coming here are to engage in respectful discussion of the issues.

After years at DKos (my UID there is 1955) I was driven off by the language and vitriol that has become the norm there, and found this site to be a refuge where there was still some actual discussion and respectful give and take.

Now it seems folks like Bob have arrived here and are turning this site into the same sort of mud wrestling ring that DKos has become. This is very unfortunate.

It is absolutely not that Obama supporters are not welcome. Many of the best comments here come from Obama supporters, and it is important to have good discussions about issues and tactics.

What is not welcome, in my opinion, are rapid fire vitriol and hate speech, coming from either side.

Jerome has posted the following:

- Users who are bashing or attacking any other user on the site, including authors of diaries and frontpage postings, will be banned. Candidates and politicians are fair game (but that doesn't mean you can use inflammatory language against candidates).

- Titles of diaries should not be inflammatory, call out other users or the site, and will be deleted if not edited out. Likewise, users who cannot write comments without excessive inflammatory language will be banned.

I wish that Markos would hold his site to the same standard. We all lose when our forums become corrupted by rabble rousing nonsense.

She can't land a regular gig.

What a surprise.

Is that what Jerome does here?

Kinky.

Of course, I'm kidding. But in all seriousness, as I've been trying to impress upon you all day, tone is important, respect is important.  

You will do your cause, and you candidate much more good by keeping your rhetoric positive and making points based on facts and respect for the truth.

We have a long way to go in this election, and if Senator Obama gets the nominiation you have no idea what sort of storm he is facing. Your tactics will not work against the right wing slime machine and the main stream media attacks that are coming.

Solid reasoned discourse based in truth is the only way to fight these bullies. Adopt their tactics and they will hand you your head.

I say this as an ally. I know you don't see it as such now, but the day is coming, and we have a long way to travel together.