Ya its that she has done so many things that she doesn't always remember them all clearly...

A Problem Obama doesn't have?

Seems he forgot how much Rezko gave him...

Seems he forgot what he heard in church...

Please take this down.

Considering that no diary with this issue has yet made the recommended list, I think it's worth having this one up.

"The Honesty Gap!"

That is the Clinton Killer, right there!

Isnt this like the 10th thread about this nonsense.  As i have written i liked BO hacks like you a lot better when you are going around screem the "Clinton's are Racist, Racist, Racist".  It is sad that BO is getting killed on the Wright thing but you should take it out on FOX.

Funny how BO and his crowd were a new political movement that will change politics as we know it and it turns out you all are nothing but HACKS going around accussing HRC of being a lair.  Well last time i checked BO unfavorables were great than 50%.  I will tell you everyone sees that he (BO)and you are going but smear artest and hacks.

WORD.

david

more overflow from the orange sewer .......

And there will be more witnesses and details to come out in coming days.

For instance, as Talking Points Memo points out:

"Sen. Clinton has said on a number of occasions that she was "the first, you know, high- profile American to go into Bosnia after the peace accords were signed because we wanted to show that the United States was 100 percent behind the agreement."

According to some quick research we did, it turns out that Madeleine Albright, then UN Ambassador, then-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs John Shalikashvili, then-Sec Def Bill Perry, various members of Congress and President Clinton himself had all visited Tuzla a few months earlier."

And the sad thing is FOX did this same smear to Al Gore and now democrats are using it on other democrats.

By posting shit like this you are just pegging for someone to come back at BO for his very many shortcomings.  Really you should be ashamed of yourself but people like you really have no shame.

david

HRC supporters' response reminds me of Bush supporters who said, "But what about Clinton?" Oh, the irony. What about Clinton indeed.

measures, I guess.  

a) the corkscrew takeoff and landing have been confirmed and it was due to sniper fire having been received on previous landings.  

b) Clearly there is confusion here.  Of all the crazy accusations that have been hurled at Hillary, to claim that she's a fabricator of wild tales is just too much.

c) Even if there is some resume padding going on here, it's nothing compared to Obama's claim to have passed legislation protecting IL citizens from nuclear waste, when in fact he gutted the bill to please his big campaign contributor (and nuclear power giant), Exelon.  

Methinks Barack has many more tall tale problem than Hillary.

One example: here.

yes, anyone who can honestly discuss this story would admit that this will hurt Hillary depending on how much the MSM play it up.

if they play it up while still fact checking her then yes her honestly rating takes a hit, all this means is that she allows BO to do better in PA, probably dropping her win to around 55-45.

if we find another Bosnia type "mis-speak" then once again depending on how much the MSM plays it, she could see herself just barely getting a 5 point win.

its all up to the media and whether or not Obama and stop messing up so the focus stays on Hillary

Glad you still post here Bob...even though I denounced and rejected you as GB1437a earlier on Kos in case you have ever said something remotely insulting to anybody

I did a google search and found that somebody has compiled a list of Barack's tall tales:

here.

More Clinton lies.  We cannot accept this.

Come on now, everyone knows that Hillary Clinton is perfect and that she walks on water and can turn wine into water. Just ask James Carville ;)

Tort relief, Greenspan?  Is she trying to reach out to Republicans?  And did Greenspan even signal that he'd be willing to get back into the mess?  Is this another, "we'll send Bill and George Bush Senior all across the world to repair our reputation"?

As a believer that context matters and we shouldn't just nail people on soundbites as we did Jeremiah Wright, I thought it would be helpful to link to the whole speech:

http://www.hillaryclinton.com/news/speec h/view/?id=6553

The problem, though, is that the remark isn't really explained away in the rest of the speech. It was just a warm-up moment to pad her claims to bravery under fire. And it was most certainly not a "misstatement" as it was prepared and written on her website.

How does a prepared line that does not comport to the truth count as "misspeaking?"

Look. She got caught in a flat out lie. "Misspoke" is itself a grotesque distortion of the truth. If she wants to be President she needs to fess up to the lie and move on. We've had one too many lying Presidents.

I don't know if I should rec your diary Bob, I've seen beter from you, and well I don't want to get banned or anything (I hear such things happen though I don't believe it).
I think I'll give you a rec anyway.

We LIKE Liars!! We're all liars, too!! We liars stick together, and you honest, good, different kind of politics, uniter, hope people all suck!

I was in a car accident once, car flipped over.  My heart felt like it was going to explode, time slowed down, life flashed before my eyes.  Walked away without a scratch, but learned what it feels like to think you might be at the end.  I remember it second by second like it was yesterday.

She said she ran for her life from sniper fire across a runway.  Really though, she hung out with her daughter and hugged an eight year old during a nice greeting ceremony.  These experiences are not remotely alike, easily confused events.  It wasn't a misstatement, it was a direct lie.

Heck, if the story is true and there were snipers around I want to know why she felt she needed to put an eight year old in danger for her PR meet and greet.

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/ 03/24/gall.bosnia.ap.jpg

Clinton was telling the truth and Obama mind control tricks were responsible for all of the reports that contradicted her story so this post is a lie.

You have to wonder why she would even engage in this exaggeration.  It certainly wasn't necessary - I mean, we get that she was in Bosnia as part of an international delegation, is the addition of sniper fire to the story going to win her a handful of additional votes?  It amazes me that she would do something so blatantly stupid.

It is just that human memory has a tendency to embellish moments to make oneself look better. For many people - especially politicians, for whom self-confidence is crucial, their minds often gloss over the embarrassing moments and emphasize the triumphs and victories. Indeed, I've read that one extremely successful politician (can't remember his name right now) said that the secret to political success is lying to yourself well enough so that you believe everything that you say.

The problem is that according to the honorable Senator from New York, it is necessary for a president to have experience, to be ready on day 1. But how can that even be possible if you cannot trust your memories to be reliable, if your experiences may only be fantasies in reality?

This is the essential hypocrisy of too many Clinton supporters: that they decry this story as nonsense and smears, yet refer to the thoroughly debunked NAFTAgate story, lies perpetrated only within their community about Wright, and more lies about Rezko.

For reference:

NAFTAgate:
Claim: Obama's campaign contacted the Canadian consulate and sent a team to speak to the consul. During the meeting the Obama team reassured the consul that Obama would take no action on Obama.
Secondary Claim: That Obama, in stating no such meeting happened, lied.
Reality: The Canadian consulate contacted the Obama campaign to discuss a number of issues. The consul was not involved in the meeting. A memo was generated which all parties disclaim as being inaccurate. This has become a big issue in Canada, with the opposition challenging the Conservatives over this issue; if there were any truth to the memo, it would be extremely good for the Conservative government in defusing their own problems; yet, they do not.
Obama: Told the truth.

Wright:
Claim: Obama lied when he said at first that he had not heard the statements in question and later said that he had heard controversial statements.
Reality: Those claiming the lie conveniently ignoring that Obama then went on to say that he did not hear the statements in question. They also repeat the ridiculous "20 year history" line, when it's been shown that Wright preached inflammatory and offensive sermons on about 5 occasions out of roughly 4000 sermons. Obama's travel schedule makes it extremely unlikely that he could have been at any of those 5. Hundreds of witnesses and others have described Wright's usual sermons as uplifting and spiritually powerful. Some of them contained "controversial" remarks, but these were such things as criticism of the government -- hardly a serious offense among progressives.
Obama: Told the truth.

Rezko:
Claim: It's hard to tell what the claim is. Rezko got Obama a deal on his house, Rezko's evil and therefore Obama's evil, Rezko did illegal things in another campaign and therefore did in the Obama campaign, etc. This is much more of a "Whitewater" type smear where no one knows what the actual claim even is, they just parrot "Rezko!".
Reality: The Chicago Tribune, which has been covering the Rezko story for almost two years, described Obama's answers on Rezko as "a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged". No illegalities or unethical behavior of any kind on Obama's part have ever been alleged. All campaign contributions in any way linked to Rezko have been donated to charity, even though there is no evidence that those contributions were tainted except by association. No allegations of favoritism have ever been made by any serious investigative agency.
Obama: told the truth.

These are the sorts of "in your face" accusations that "answer" the Tuzla video and photos. This is commonly known as "changing the subject". It's particularly weak when you're falling back on things that have been debunked to death, again and again and again.

Compare this to Tuzla:
Claim: Clinton's flight made an unusual corkscrew landing while under a threat of sniper fire. There was no welcoming ceremony and the First Lady's party had to literally run for the waiting automobiles lest she or others in her party (including Chelsea Clinton) were hit by snipers.
Reality: The landing made by Clinton's flight was very typical of landings made at Tuzla. There was a welcoming ceremony, including the scheduled poetry recital by an 8-year-old Bosnian girl. Had there been any threat of sniper fire, there would have been a military response, a security detail, and under no circumstances would the 8-year-old girl, Chelsea, or the First Lady be put at risk for a prolonged stay on the tarmac.
Clinton: lied.

Now -- no one except a few wackos are claiming that Tuzla in itself is significant. It's not. It doesn't prove that she has no experience, it doesn't even particularly diminish her experience since the entire Bosnia trip has largely been discredited as an actual diplomatic mission.

But the problems it poses are real. The significance here is not that it someone destroy's Clinton's claim of experience. That's absolute balderdash -- and in fact, I've only seen that claim from 1) really wild-eyed Obama partisans and 2) Clinton partisans using it as a straw man to knock it down and thereby claim this is a non-issue.

It's not a non-issue. The issue here isn't experience but lying. Senator Clinton, herself, on repeated occasions, lied about this. It's a minor issue; it would be trivial in itself. But that's the part that's disturbing. This is something for which video and photos exist. This is something where a lie would be fairly certain to come out. And yet, she opted to lie about it, for a fairly insignificant boost to her experience credentials.

If she's willing to lie about so minor a matter, where the risk of getting caught is so very high, what else is she willing to lie about? That is the real question we're asking here.

This is not a smear. Smears are unfounded allegations, such as calling out Obama for lying on NAFTAgate, Rezko, and Wright. This is a fully documented lie. The Clinton campaign has even admitted to it being untruthful, although they're claiming it was a misstatement -- and perhaps it was. However, it's hard to continue to claim something as a mere misstatement when it's repeated many times under skeptical questioning.

To be fair, Obama is not a saint. There are matters for which he's had to apologize. However, when he's done so he's been forthright and owned up to a mistake and left no doubt they were mistakes. In most cases (some matters with Rezko, for instance) he's owned up to them before anyone outside his own organization knew of them.

However, Tuzla was deny-deny-deny before the weight of evidence got too strong.

There will be more stories like Tuzla. It's already looking like NAFTA may be one. Unlike Clinton supporters, who find every story about Obama to be "the big one" that pushes him out, most Obama supporters aren't claiming that this story "dooms" Clinton. What we are saying is that this story shows conclusively that Clinton is not fully vetted, that she is not as truthful as some of her supporters want to believe, and that there are serious questions about her judgment.

Do conservatives and Obama supporters really make up only 44% of Americans?

But seriously, this is a problem for her. A major one? Well, she's had to deal with the right wing saying this for pretty much the last 16 years and she's still standing.

This cuts to the heart of the "Commander in Chief threshold"® Hillary is responsible for creating to use against Obama and now she cannot cross. Commander in Chief is a military role- this tall tale is her only "military action" that was more than a committee meeting.
POW McCain will be telling tales of his documented experience and she will be stuck with this video playing over and over making her "military action" stories look like tall fishing tales.
I have been around here long enough to know facts about Hillary are often rebutted with a "but.. but.. but.. Obama."  ( I find this similar to the wingnut rebuttal to any negative facts about Bush "but.. but.. but.. Clinton").  I am aware he does not have military experience and that he has a pastor that said some stuff that scares some folk and he bought some land from Rezko- that is not the discussion.  The discussion is that Hillary "misremembered" to make it seem like she has a sort of combat-like experience she didn't have and her campaign's response sucks.

And what the H was Elmer Gantry doing during this exact time period? I, for one, would love to see what he was doing while the FLOTUS was representing her country on or near the front lines. When she was taking helos to other bases, was the empty suit accomplishing anything of importance? OOOO, Hillary flew in under the threat of sniper fire instead of actual sniper fire. The only fire Obama might take is from one of Rezko's tennants he and Obama were screwing.

Obama and his supporters disgust me. They were once my friends and now I can't stand them.

For those of you who don't think this story has any legs, here is youtube from CBS news with a longer report:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BfNqhV5h g4

That being said, it might be gone until McCain starts using it.

its not a big deal but what does bother me, why do you people call it a war zone, it must have been safe they had an 8 year old girl on the damn tarmac she brought her daughter for pete's sake!

Honestly I want EVERY parent here to tell me what war conditions you are bringing your 16 year old daughter to.

please? anyone?  and if any of you are saying "we ofcourse I would bring my 16 year old daughter to a war zone especially when its to dangerous for the president himself to go"

Just like Obama lies about Rev. Wright, how much money he rec'd from Rezko and that he was key to the imigration bill breakthrough..

So I guess Obama will say anything to win the nomination!

Why not? If you guys feel OK in posting 10 - 15 diaries on the same subject. Here is as good a place as any to repeat my defense of Clinton's trip to Bosnia. Keep them coming. Is that all you've got?

Maybe she was thinking about this day at Camp Bedrock when she misspoke about something that happened 10 years ago:

But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.
...
Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.
Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

=
First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton, visited her country's troops at their fortified outposts in north-eastern Bosnia today and said their peacekeeping work was "extraordinary to behold".
Mrs Clinton's helicopter flight to Camp Alicia, home of a mechanised infantry outfit and a combat engineer batallion 15 miles east of Tuzla, took her over burned out villages and farm houses whose roofs had been blown off in the fierce fighting before last December's Paris peace agreement ended the 43 -month-old war in Bosnia.

A machine gun emplacement guarded the entrance of the outposts and marked Bosnian minefields were visible outside its perimeter.
...
 After lunch with the troops in a makeshift dining hall surrounded by sandbags, she flew on to Camp Bedrock south of Tuzla to visit an army field hospital.

Mrs Clinton, who later returned to Tuzla for a show starring singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, said she was "amazed at how much has been accomplished in such a short period of time" by US troops in Bosnia.
Source - Lexis - The Herald (Glasgow), March 26, 1996

Talkleft: I did some research on Lexis Nexis last night

I'm amazed that she took a chopper to a forward MASH unit. Can you believe that? The First Lady of the United States. Can you imagine Laura Bush putting on a flak jacked and heading out to a forward MASH unit. What a brave and wonderful woman.

I hope the Obama folks do keep flailing at this issue. It just spotlights their lack of character and the type of leader Hillary Clinton is.

The US had made a huge commitment to bringing peace, and they decided to send Hillary and Chelsea as a symbol of our committment to peace. That's leadership. That's powerful world class leadership. I find all the nasty innuendo sad and desperate. She put herself in harms way for the cause of peace. Would any of us do the same? I doubt it, but then we are not fit to be a leaders of the free world, are we?

The damage here isn't that she lied.  I get the sense that Hillary has dissembled enough times to beef up her resume that no one - or at least the MSM - no longer expects her to tell the truth so that's not really an issue for them.  The damage comes from this being such a bizarre lie that she looks ridiculous.  What great fodder for the late night comedians.  She has reduced her run for the nomination to a one liner. I'm already seeing jokes about this appearing on other blogs.  This is what happened to Dukakis with his tank moment.  The right wing ridiculed him repeatedly in ads showing him riding in the tank and completely destroyed his credibility as a commander-in-chief.

Instead of just goosing this thin Tuzla hit story Bob, why don't you back it up with some other verified examples of Clinton's dishonesty.

What specifically are you accusing her of except having been a victem of character assisination?

Where's the list?

There is a very good substantive listing of recent Obama hypocrisy on the rec list right along with your diary right now:

Barack I-didn't-know Obama

Now, that's a diary. Not, just some ad hominem swift boat smear job.

I'm amazed that she took a chopper to a forward MASH unit. Can you believe that? The First Lady of the United States. Can you imagine Laura Bush putting on a flak jacked and heading out to a forward MASH unit. What a brave and wonderful woman.

Yeah, real brave. She was guarded by a massive army. Statistically, it's undoubtedly far more dangerous to walk down certain metropolitan streets at night. And I'm not simply saying this as an Obama supporter -- it's not particularly "brave" of any VIP to make a brief trip to warzone (or former warzone, in this instance) guarded by hundreds or thousands of military personnel. Moreover, how many of those peace-keeping troops -- you know, regular American GI's -- were killed in Bosnia? Answer: Zero.

I hope the Obama folks do keep flailing at this issue. It just spotlights their lack of character and the type of leader Hillary Clinton is.

How does pointing out that Hillary Clinton lied about something illustrate a lack of character? I can at least admit that Obama has embellished things. So which one of us is a cult member again?

She put herself in harms way for the cause of peace.

Peace had already been achieved. She was there with Sinbad, for chistsakes.

Would any of us do the same? I doubt it, but then we are not fit to be a leaders of the free world, are we?

Speak for yourself. I'd gladly tour a foreign country -- even a dangerous one -- with a massive U.S. military attache. It's probably more dangerous to walk to 7 Eleven at midnight.

Is DailyObama not big enough for you anymore?

If you want to see an even-handed report about this gaffe, read the AP story: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080325/ap_o n_el_pr/clinton_bosnia

If you wanna see a pure piece of snarky "gotcha" journalism, go check out the piece on CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/03/2 4/eveningnews/main3964921.shtml

If you wanna read yet ANOTHER hit diary against a Democratic candidate for president written by someone who obviously has nothing positive to say about his own candidate, read this piece of crap. This is the same sort of Hillary-hating stuff that has been Bob's specialty at DailyObama for a long time, and isn't it great that he can bless us with it here at Mydd as well?

I mean, this "story" is about the difference between snipers actually shooting and the threat of nearby snipers! That there was a minor greeting ceremony instead of a full-blown one for security reasons! That she isn't seen running to her car with her head covered as soon as she left the plane (but maybe later, as there are no cars in the video footage)!  

I know that the Obama people are desperate for some good news, but I think you're barking up the wrong tree here. I mean, all day people have been watching footage of the first lady overseas visiting our troops in a warzone. I don't believe this is all bad, really...

But anyway, good luck with your next hit diary, Bob. I look forward to it.

   if that trip was so dangerous, especially with snipers in the trees, what the hell was Hillary doing bringing her teenage daughter into range of snipers? I just don't get it.

title of the diary,

Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Clinton's Biggest Weakness

it should be

Tuzla Tall Tale Cuts to Heart of Sir Edmund Hillary Clinton's Biggest Weakness

You know.

I'm not surprised.  When you're out there doing things no other first lady has done before, when you're out there meeting the people who have been through the horrors and they're thanking you for bringing peace to their little area of the world, goddammit you better have your facts straight cause god knows some one out there has the video to punish you for your good deeds.

At the time, I'm sure the video that is now held up to debunk a Diplomatic Trip that was, in fact, less dangerous than it was made out to be 10 years later, was probably specifically shot to show how peaceful it was for reasons that made sense back then.  You think one video tells the whole story.  Yeah.  It serves your purpose.

I know the currency of punditry is "Gotcha" moments, time will tell if that currency purchases for America a better future.  It hasn't paid off yet, as far as I can tell.

I know a president can have 70% job approvals and 24% honesty rating at the same time.   Now is that just crazy or what???!!!!

Hey.  In 1980 everyone thought Jimmy Carter was really honest too!

He honestly gave us gas lines.

He honestly screwed up a hostage crisis.

He very honestly presided over unprecedented inflation.

He very honestly presided over 7.7% unemployment.

Hey.  You gotta get elected first, right?

Unfortunately, honesty is overrated. People thought W. was honest too didn't they? They probably still do. It doesn't mean that people will vote for them or won't vote for them.

People pretty much expect politicians to lie to them. I'm sure Obama's honesty rating has taken a hit with the things he's said lately too.

My concern is that Murtha Democrats in PA (white male veteran) were leaning to her, and overlooked her claim to be against NAFTA. Now that will get a second look after Tuzla-gate.

She will win PA, but it might be less than double digits now.

If Tuzla is the best you've got, you're in trouble. At least she didn't lie like Obama about being present in church, listening to a pastor's vile attacks on race and country and doing it for 20 years! Let's not forget that Obama's owes much of his present position to a criminal by the name of "Tony" Rezko.

"Geewiz, I remember that fishing trip some 10 years ago when I had to fight that fish to get it into the boat. It was splashing and even broke the water a few times. It must have been at least 3 feet long."

[Fact Check: After throwing the national anti-fisherman media (NAFM) all over this story, the NAFM was able to determine that the fish was a bass that was approximately 2 1/2 feet in length, not 3 feet. The video footage conclusively shows that the bass broke the water only one time, not several times as the fisherman claimed. The national anti-fisherman media concludes that this fisherman is a liar and can never be trusted to fish again.]

compare their records vis-a-vis Iraq and Afghanistan. Hillary has been to Iraq multiple times Barack only once. Hillary has also been to Afghanistan multiple times, Barack zero. So what does this show? Hillary has the courage to go to combat zones and visit troops, while St. BO chickens out, or maybe he was too busy running for president, or preparing his run, or giving one of his flowery but empty speeches...you know the stuff a man has to do.

...it was the visits to a mechanized infantry fortified outpost and a field hospital OUTSIDE tuzla where the events she describes took place.

"She did visit two outposts outside of the base camp in Tuzla without the celebrities there for the USO tour.  

Protected by sharpshooters, Hillary Rodham Clinton swooped into a military zone by Black Hawk helicopter Monday to deliver a personal "thank you, thank you, thank you" to U.S. troops.
...
But this was a day of celebration and celebrities - a day for the U.S. troops helping to uphold the Bosnian peace accord. Mrs. Clinton hosted a USO show with comedian Sinbad and singer Sheryl Crow and briefly addressed the gathering.
...
But the highlight of her trip were visits to two fortified posts outside the U.S. base in Tuzla. Even President Clinton, restricted to the base by bad weather in January, did not see as much of this war-wracked region as Mrs. Clinton did Monday.
...
Riflemen rushed to the brush line as the helicopter landed and surrounded her as she walked into the post. Located in a "separation zone," the U.S. outpost nestles between two tree lines. Just months ago, one was Serbian territory, the other Bosnian.

Security was tight - fighter jets accompanied her C-17 cargo plane to Tuzla - but officials said the first lady took no extraordinary risks on the trip.

Lexis - By RON FOURNIER, Associated Press, March 25, 1996

Another report:

THE First Lady of the United States, Hillary Clinton, visited her country's troops at their fortified outposts in north-eastern Bosnia today and said their peacekeeping work was "extraordinary to behold".
Mrs Clinton's helicopter flight to Camp Alicia, home of a mechanised infantry outfit and a combat engineer batallion 15 miles east of Tuzla, took her over burned out villages and farm houses whose roofs had been blown off in the fierce fighting before last December's Paris peace agreement ended the 43 -month-old war in Bosnia.

A machine gun emplacement guarded the entrance of the outposts and marked Bosnian minefields were visible outside its perimeter.
...
 After lunch with the troops in a makeshift dining hall surrounded by sandbags, she flew on to Camp Bedrock south of Tuzla to visit an army field hospital.

Mrs Clinton, who later returned to Tuzla for a show starring singer Sheryl Crow and comedian Sinbad, said she was "amazed at how much has been accomplished in such a short period of time" by US troops in Bosnia.

Source - Lexis - The Herald (Glasgow), March 26, 1996

http://www.talkleft.com/comments/2008/3/ 23/14293/1085/131

Respectfully, Bob Johnson, you've taken to the Obamite habit of rehacking Axelrod talking points.  Your argument relies on the assumption that no one reading your article will actually click the link and see what else the study concluded:

Less than half the country thinks that Senator Obama is capable of "manag[ing] the government effectively."

More shocking is this fatal weakness:

Only 41% of Americans think that Sen. Obama "has a clear plan for solving the country's problems."

By contrast, 61% of respondents believe that Hillary is a "strong and decisive leader" and a whopping 68% believe she "has a vision for the country's future", the highest score in the poll.  I think we can agree that being capable of handling the job of President, and having a vision for our future, are the most important qualities for our next Commander in Chief.  After all, how can we hope to realize change without strong and decisive leadership?

See how much fun it is to spin?  We're both reading the same report.  To you (by which I really mean "as far as David Axelrod's marketing is concerned"), this report reveals a fatal honesty gap!  To me, it shows clearly that the country does not believe Obama is ready to govern, and that they are fully confident in Hillary's ability as a leader.

Can we have an honest conversation about issues yet, or must we keep spinning?  And if we must spin, could we at least be creative and invent our own spin?  I already hear anything David Axelrod says parrotted a dozen times by media talking heads, so I'd appreciate some new material.

Thanks.

This how you want to choose your nominee?  Whether they exaggerated or "misspoke" a certain experience?  Is this your first election?  Is this what Republicans, aided by "liberal" pundits that pushed the lame story that Al Gore invented the internet?  

While the actual story may not be as dramatic as it was originally portrayed, I'd rather base my vote on someone's real, concrete experiences and accomplishments rather than someone's ability to read from a teleprompter telling audiences what they want to hear.

Now even Taylor Marsh has admitted "Clinton Blew it on Bosnia." http://www.taylormarsh.com/archives_view .php?id=27285

When are other Clinton supporters going to do the same?

And doesn't this speak volumes about our ability to have an honest conversation?

like Obama, she had no history or experience in national politics and international affairs. If would be her biggest weakness if it was the only experience she could cobble up as a resume filler, like "community activist". Oh yeah, that activism muddies him up with Rezko. Go ahead, scream and shout about it, Obamamaniacs! She has plenty more actual experiences in her life. Remember how well you guys placed Ferarro's stupid comment at her feet? Kinda backfired with the whole Wright sermons, huh? I wonder what little nugget of hypocrisy will this expose Obama to now?

Why lie?  She didn't need to exaggerate it.  It could stand on its' own, now this undercuts the whole idea of it.  Bad decision.

I like both our candidates, but pull for Hillary, after assessing stands on issues--not who remembered what diplomatic event or who was in what pew during what hate speech.

This country elected GWB not once but twice.  I'm not going to put an overt amount of stock in their ability to judge "honesty".

That was the biggest bold faced lies that I ever heard.
You could sense it when she was talking, her eyes shifting and her mouth drawn. I knew she was lying. This is not presidential quality.

It seems the all testosterone, no substance Obama gang is taking over.

Remember the old days when we debated fellow Democrats during the primaries?

There is a silver lining to every cloud.  

Many of my co-workers that saw the Bosnia clip told me that Hillary and Chelsea looked great in the clip and that they very much appreciated her trip promoting peace and supporting the peace-keeping American troops.  I get the impression that they love her more for it.  But I live in Massachusetts.  We LOVE Hillary here.   :)

 

Cutting to the heart of a weakness does nothing in politics.

You need to think of a politician's poll numbers as being like a price in the stock market. It factors in all current information the voters have to give a value for their stock. Hillary's "weaknesses" - truthfulness for example, are priced into the market. They're already taken account of, as are her strengths. This is the principle behind Rove's innovation (unless someone can tell me who thought of it before him) that you attack your opponent's strengths. Attacking their weaknesses is like pushing on a string, there's no more to give there. You attack their strengths, that's how you drive down their numbers.

But I think this story does hurt Hillary in an area where she's strong - the idea that she's been around the block, she knows the score, she's not vulnerable like Obama is to unexpected hits. Clearly, she is. And as Hillary tries to turn "been around the block" as First Lady into something resembling a major political resume, this kind of story pushes back against that attempt, and hammers her perceived strength. That's why I think it will do damage.

Wrong again, Bob.  Take a look at this 1996 clip from CBS News.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pef5AUt-t ic&eurl=http://noquarterusa.net/blog /

I'm sorry.  I do NOT approve of the Tonya Harding kneecapping Hillary is engaged in.

She claims all this vast experience, but under scrutiny the Bosnia story - as well as the Northern Ireland, NAFTA, SCHIPS, etc. - do not hold up under scrutiny.

As a Democrat of 40 years, I'm pissed as hell at Hillary Clinton.

Some people have class, some like Hillary are so self absorbed she's willing to gut our chances at the WH in the fall.

Where are the flak jackets?  Where are the helmets?  Where's the 'running and ducking'?

Sorry, I'm a middle aged man.  But, even a 10 year old knows she was lying.

Seems the Clinton's version of 'misspeak' is what I'd call 'plain old lying'

She's killing the Democrat's chances in the fall.

We've done a lot for the Clintons.  Time they did something for US!

Rewind to the Wright videos for real controversy.