The Case For Evan Bayh

Seemsliketheblogosphereisatthe early stages of what will be an epic meltdown if Senator Obama chooses fellow Senator Evan Bayh as his running mate.

Frankly, I think that much of this is overblown. Evan Bayh just ain't that bad. For one, he's pretty much genetically incapable of being extreme in any light. Sure that rules out "extremely good" but it also rules out "extremely bad," too. In fact, a strong case could be made that Evan Bayh is Goldilocks.

I find the most common-cited criticism of Bayh ("He's so boring!") curious to say the least. The single most exciting president of my lifetime has been George W. Bush. The most interesting (Being both exciting and being VP violates the US Constitution) vice-president of my lifetime has been Dick Cheney (villains always are). Exciting is overrated.

Believe it or not, there is a case for choosing Evan Bayh. It's central argument is not electability, although that can be cited in his support. It is not that he's a cultural ambassador to Middle America for Obama, although, too, that is a credible argument in Bayh's favor. Nor is it that he's sell-able to Washington press elites as a chaperone for Obama and his Legions of Change, although it is a reasonable point.

The reason you want Evan Bayh to be your and Barack Obama's Vice President is because he would be a good President. If Bayh's career has shown anything it is that while he won't fire you up, he is ready to go.

He has dealt with and succeeded with the problem of trying to create an equitable economic growth during a national economic downturn. He's created nearly 350,000 jobs.

He succeeded at convincing a conservative, tight-fisted electorate in Indiana to support a Great Society-style education program in his 21st Century Scholars initiative.

He's successfully handled a state budget crisis without destructive cuts to entitlements.

He generated a billion-dollar budget surplus. Then, he massively cut taxes.

He's fought a massive crime and drug epidemic -- and won .

He's stood by labor, stood up to China, and against unfair trade.

He's stood against Don Rumsfeld.

He wants to get rid of earmarks.

He doesn't think the US military should take its orders from Osama Bin Laden.

He wants to abolish the electoral college.

He doesn't think Barack Obama is an elitist.

The greatest mistake people make about Evan Bayh is thinking that he's an ideologue. He's not a conservative Democrat. His view of the political center is not fixed. It's relative to the public and the atmosphere of the times. He's sure-footed and sure-handed.He may not be liberal Democrat either, but he certainly wants to use government to implement progressive policy goals. His greatest flaw and virtue is that he's content to take whatever the political environment gives him. And do it well.

Tags: 2008, blogosphere-wide meltdown, Evan Bayh, obama (all tags)

Comments

34 Comments

I am a fan of Bayh

I hope that Obama picks him for his VP.

by puma 2008-08-12 05:54PM | 0 recs
Re: I am a fan of Bayh

Because getting a gig from Daddy is just the right way to go!

by ElitistJohn 2008-08-12 08:44PM | 0 recs
Coupled with the fact


   that we DON'T NEED EXCITING this year. We've got that in our Presidential nominee. We DID NOT HAVE THAT in 2004 or 2000 with our Presidential nominees.

  I'm no Bayh fan, but those complaining that he's not exciting need to lighten up. Obama is exciting enough. Why should Bayh also be?

by southernman 2008-08-12 05:58PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

How do you justify Bayh's vote for the 2003 tax cut?

by Steve M 2008-08-12 06:00PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

I believe that Bayh voted against the final bill because the cut became too big, although he voted for it at one critical stage to keep it alive. I would need to do some research but my sense was that what drew him to support the bill were specific measures that he thought would benefit Indiana and that he would get killed for in Indiana. I would need to do some research to give you something definitive.

He's not perfect.

by blueflorida 2008-08-12 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

Ah, he doesn't have to march in lockstep with Obama.

It's called ticket balancing.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-12 06:22PM | 0 recs
Right!

Obama earned it on his own, Bayh inherited his station from Daddy!

Makes perect sense. Bayh reassures the inheritor class that scuzzy "earned it on merit" Obama won't do something crazy like hire and suggest society hire based on merits instead of family ties.

Good balance there. For a minute I was afraid we'd actually function on merit insted of birth. Crazeee me.

by ElitistJohn 2008-08-12 08:48PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

Three Democrats voted for the final bill, which passed the Senate 51-49.  They were Ben Nelson, Zell Miller, and Evan Bayh.

I'm interested to know what you find out.

by Steve M 2008-08-12 06:43PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

But what about change.  That is why BO cant pick HRC.  Because she and all her supporters are OLD.  And she is a washington insiders and BO has to pick someone who fits his theme of change.  But Bayh is Mr. Washington insider.  

I am just pointing out the hypocrisy that HRC supporter have to constantly hear.

Just one democrats opinion.

daivd

by giusd 2008-08-12 06:01PM | 0 recs
Obama will not pick Hillary because of Bill

It is as simple as that.  He doesn't want a former president hanging out behind his shoulders talking to press on what he would or wouldn't do in what situations.

He doesn't want a three-way presidency.

by puma 2008-08-12 06:17PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

Good point and lets hope Obama is judging the candidates on winning and governing. REC

by Politicalslave 2008-08-12 08:06PM | 0 recs
Agree.

1. Builds bridge with the Clinton Camp.

2. Executive and Legislative Experience.

3. Puts Indiana in play.
 

by Bush Bites 2008-08-12 06:10PM | 0 recs
Re: Agree.

And most important at all:

4. DOES NO HARM.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-12 06:13PM | 0 recs
There's nothing wrong with earmarks

in my opinion; what's wrong with them is the process, not the fact that pork is actually distributed.  I'm disappointed that Obama and HRC joined McCain and McCaskill in demagoguing of earmarks (I'm not a big fan of "good-government" candidates).

Has anyone ever seen a poll of Bayh's actual impact in Indiana?

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-12 06:12PM | 0 recs
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I'm ashamed to say I didn't know too much about Bayh, thanks for the information and links.
Bottom line for me, I'm happy with whoever Obama picks, as long as we win.(Hillary would make my heart happy though)
by Roberta 2008-08-12 06:13PM | 0 recs
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It would be one thing if Bayh just voted for the Iraq War, but he was co-chairman of a pro-Iraq War propaganda group alongside John McCain and Joe Lieberman.  I'm all for opening up the Democratic Party to moderates and centrists but that's just a bridge too far in my view.

Sorry, but for this reason I hold Evan Bayh partly responsible for the deaths of all those good American soldiers who died in a foreign land thousands of miles away from their families.

We're talking about the #2 position in the entire Democratic Party here.  I don't think it's too much to ask that the VP is someone who actually put a little daylight between himself (or herself) and the Republican nominee for president on one of the most important issues of the day.  There's a de facto litmus test that the VP nominee must be pro-choice.  Everyone accepts this.  Why can't not voting for the Iraq War be a litmus test as well?  It doesn't have to be someone who voted against the war--though that would be nice--just not someone who voted for it.

Oh and Hillary supporters: Wouldn't you be pissed if Obama ended up going with a veep who voted for the war--after spending the past year excoriating Hillary for the same vote?  I think that would be a pretty legitimate grievance.  

by Will Graham 2008-08-12 06:14PM | 0 recs
The difference is that Hillary NEVER

said her vote was wrong.  Bayh did.  That's the HUGE difference.

by puma 2008-08-12 06:19PM | 0 recs
She pretty much did at the Ohio

debate.  She said that the Iraq vote was the one vote she would choose to have back if she had the choice.  Bayh, Biden, Dodd, Edwards and the rest of the gang that voted for it have all pretty much adopted the same line "If I knew then what I knew now."

by Blazers Edge 2008-08-12 06:24PM | 0 recs
"Pretty much did."

Deathbed conversions need to at least sound sincere.

"You're dying, son!  Do you accept Jesus as the Lord?  Save yourself while you still can!"

"Yeah, whatever.  Why not?  Can't hurt."

by Dumbo 2008-08-13 01:57AM | 0 recs
Re: The difference is that Hillary NEVER

Well if that's the case Evan Bayh deserves credit for admitting the mistake.  Still, after all of the "it's important to be right on day one" rhetoric from the primary campaign Obama's really going to look like a hypocrite if he picks someone who was as pro-war as Bayh.  The luster is really going to wear off Obama at that point, and not just from anti-war Dems like myself.

Don't get me wrong though.  I'll happily vote for an Obama/Bayh ticket, I just may not donate money or time.

by Will Graham 2008-08-12 06:28PM | 0 recs
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I'm all for opening up the Democratic Party to moderates and centrists but that's just a bridge too far in my view.

That's fair and honorable. War's a serious deal and Bayh screwed up his vote. No doubt. He thinks he was wrong now, but that doesn't change the original sin.

by blueflorida 2008-08-12 06:20PM | 0 recs
Blue, my only misgiving

(other than the possibility that Obama might die) is that it might be better fall strategy to have somebody who didn't support the 2002 AUMF so that Obama can hang it around McCain's neck at the debates.  If he has to explain why his running-mate voted for it, that's a burden.  

But I'll accept whatever running-mate he chooses.

by Dumbo 2008-08-13 02:00AM | 0 recs
Bayh is a good pick

He helps in Indiana and in Ohio. He is the consummate midwesterner.

But Joe Biden is a great pick Yeah, he's longwinded. But he's a great attack dog.

BTW, Bayh doesn't need to be exciting. We have enough at the top of the ticket. We need experience and gravitas. Bayh provides that.

by elrod 2008-08-12 06:57PM | 0 recs
Re: Bayh is a good pick

I like Biden, but that guy makes me nervous every time he's in front of a microphone.

Sometimes--most times--he's brilliant. But when he's not brilliant, he's really not brilliant.

by Bush Bites 2008-08-12 07:11PM | 0 recs
he is boring

We need someone willing to be very aggressive. Bayh doesn't fit the profile.

by highgrade 2008-08-12 07:12PM | 0 recs
We'd lose a Senate seat tho, right?

What are the rules in Indy.

Do they have to pick a member of the same party?

by Bush Bites 2008-08-12 07:17PM | 0 recs
Re: We'd lose a Senate seat tho, right?

Guess Indy's Repub governor is up for reelection also.

If he wins, we'd lose.

http://www.journalgazette.net/apps/pbcs. dll/article?AID=/20080803/EDIT0501/80803 0377

And right now he appears to be ahead.

(Bayh's seat would come up for reelection in 2010.)

by Bush Bites 2008-08-12 07:24PM | 0 recs
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Well, congrats. I haven't heard anyone make a cogent argument for Bayh yet. Not sure if I "bayh" him still as the VP that best personifies the Obama message but nice work indeed.

by wasder 2008-08-12 07:26PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

If Obama picks Evan Bayh as his running-mate, does that mean that when it comes to foreign policy decisions:

1. It's important to be right on day one.

or

2. It's not that important to be right on day one.

And I look forward to the inevitable GOP chorus of "Senator Bayh, were you right then or are you right now?"  And don't forget about "Senator Bayh was for the Iraq War before he was against it."

Should be fun.  Hope Obama has a response ready for these predictable lines of attack.

by Will Graham 2008-08-12 07:27PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

I apologize for the snarkiness, but obviously I think going with Bayh would be a huge mistake.

by Will Graham 2008-08-12 07:29PM | 0 recs
Re: The Case For Evan Bayh

Case against: Who ever is the VP nominee is the likely presidential nominee 2016.

Short term thinking is not your friend.

by bruh3 2008-08-12 08:11PM | 0 recs
Just out of curiousity

I'm going to have to guess the party has no one who earned a job on their own merits? They really have no choice but to puick some loser who wouldn't qualify as "Wal-Mart Greeter" if he didn't inherit his job from "Daddy"?

Let's hear it for the Party of the People (who are in the inheritor class).

by ElitistJohn 2008-08-12 08:54PM | 0 recs
"the troopers will establish roadblocks"

but nothing in the linked article indicates Bayh "fought a massive crime and drug epidemic -- and won."

If I wanted to live in a Police State, I'd vote Republican.

by benmasel 2008-08-12 09:31PM | 0 recs
You ALMOST had me convinced

up until this:

The reason you want Evan Bayh to be your and Barack Obama's Vice President is because he would be a good President.

And then shudders wracked my body and I felt this sudden urge to vomit, like during extreme air flight turbulence.  I think my hair turned grayer.

I'm perfectly fine with any candidate Obama chooses, just as long as he doesn't die and leave us with an asshole like Evan Bayh.  

So, please, don't frighten us that way.  If Obama needs Bayh for strategic reasons, I say, far out, dude, knock yourself out, I'm there for you.  But, please, don't die and make Evan Bayh president.  He's a first class shithead.  I can ignore that if you just promise you won't don't die.

by Dumbo 2008-08-13 01:50AM | 0 recs

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